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Hose connection question
Dear all
Just bought a new hose, but the thread on the tap connection is slightly different to the thread on my outdoor tap, so it sprays everywhere. What is the best way around this? I presume the thread on the hose connector is standard and the tap I have is old and sh1te. The hose is too thin to go over the tap nozzle, so I cant just go for the old jubilee clip around the hose trick. Are there adapters for this kind of thing, or do I need to replace the tap Cheers Ed |
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In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
Ed wrote: Just bought a new hose, but the thread on the tap connection is slightly different to the thread on my outdoor tap, so it sprays everywhere. I don't quite understand. The thread is unlikely to be *slightly* different - unless one is of foreign origin - it will either be the same or completely different. If completely different, it won't screw on at all. If the same, it may possibly not screw on far enough - allowing water to leak through the threads. If this is the case, use a thicker (or additional) rubber washer inside the fitting. If I'm missing the point, upload a photo somewhere and post a reference to it here. -- Cheers, Set Square ______ Please reply to newsgroup. Reply address is invalid. |
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It really seems to be slightly different. The thread in the black
plastic thing from B&Q looks slightly wider than the one on the tap. I cant screw it on any tighter, even though it ooks like it should go on further. I am loath to break it by forcing it. |
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"Ed" wrote in message oups.com... Dear all Just bought a new hose, but the thread on the tap connection is slightly different to the thread on my outdoor tap, so it sprays everywhere. What is the best way around this? I presume the thread on the hose connector is standard and the tap I have is old and sh1te. The hose is too thin to go over the tap nozzle, so I cant just go for the old jubilee clip around the hose trick. Are there adapters for this kind of thing, or do I need to replace the tap Cheers Ed just wind in a new tap, they are cheap as chips really |
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On 18 May 2005 03:17:10 -0700, "Ed" wrote:
It really seems to be slightly different. The thread in the black plastic thing from B&Q looks slightly wider than the one on the tap. I cant screw it on any tighter, even though it ooks like it should go on further. I am loath to break it by forcing it. I bought a tap connector recently for a friend and I have also seen them in Homebase and you get two different fittings slightly different sizes .like these http://www.garden4less.co.uk/proddetail.asp?prod=2158 http://www.garden4less.co.uk/proddetail.asp?prod=2175 Stuart Shift THELEVER to reply. |
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Thanks - however they supplied both with this hose. The large one looks
like it should be right, but just isnt. |
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On 18 May 2005 05:44:49 -0700, "Ed B" wrote:
Thanks - however they supplied both with this hose. The large one looks like it should be right, but just isnt. Outside taps I have seen have a bit that unscrews but I don't know what thread size it leaves when you take it off .Does yours or is it missing . .Looks like you might neeed a new tap fitted . Stuart Shift THELEVER to reply. |
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On Wed, 18 May 2005 14:12:01 +0100, Stuart
wrote: On 18 May 2005 05:44:49 -0700, "Ed B" wrote: Thanks - however they supplied both with this hose. The large one looks like it should be right, but just isnt. Outside taps I have seen have a bit that unscrews but I don't know what thread size it leaves when you take it off .Does yours or is it missing . .Looks like you might neeed a new tap fitted . Stuart Does yours look like this chappie. http://www.midken****er.co.uk/servic...outsidetap.htm Stuart Shift THELEVER to reply. |
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Yes, I unscrew the end of the tap and that is where the offending
thread is. And iirc the tap is a dodgy bodge job so I wont be able to simply unscrew it and replace it without a bit of pipework |
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Ed wrote:
Just bought a new hose, but the thread on the tap connection is slightly different to the thread on my outdoor tap, so it sprays everywhere. Make sure the rubber washer is in place, and suitable.You might need different or thicker one. What is the best way around this? I presume the thread on the hose connector is standard and the tap I have is old and sh1te. The tap is very likely indeed to have a standard thread, no matter how old (well, at least 1/2 a century). If the plastic connector goes on without splitting or the threads being chewed up, that's not the problem. The hose is too thin to go over the tap nozzle, so I cant just go for the old jubilee clip around the hose trick. Can you warm the hose up to expand it? You'll probably need a gas flame, used carefully. Your cooker or hob would do. Are there adapters for this kind of thing, or do I need to replace the tap It sounds as if you've got two already (3/4" and 1" BSP)! |
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In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
Stuart wrote: On 18 May 2005 03:17:10 -0700, "Ed" wrote: It really seems to be slightly different. The thread in the black plastic thing from B&Q looks slightly wider than the one on the tap. I cant screw it on any tighter, even though it ooks like it should go on further. I am loath to break it by forcing it. I bought a tap connector recently for a friend and I have also seen them in Homebase and you get two different fittings slightly different sizes .like these http://www.garden4less.co.uk/proddetail.asp?prod=2158 http://www.garden4less.co.uk/proddetail.asp?prod=2175 Stuart The ones you quote fit taps with 3 different output thread sizes - 1/2"BSP (using adapter), 3/4"BSP and 1"BSP. These are all sufficiently different that there's no way in which the wrong one would *nearly* fit. I'm still struggling to understand what sort of tap the OP has got. -- Cheers, Set Square ______ Please reply to newsgroup. Reply address is invalid. |
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Chris Bacon wrote:
Ed wrote: [...] The hose is too thin to go over the tap nozzle, so I cant just go for the old jubilee clip around the hose trick. Can you warm the hose up to expand it? You'll probably need a gas flame, used carefully. Your cooker or hob would do. Hot, not boiling, water, I'd say. But that won't help if the tap has a screw thread on the outer end, which seems to be what we're talking about. I think there's something funny about the thread on either the tap or the hose-connector. Maybe Ed should borrow a couple of hoses from neighbours for comparison. -- Mike. |
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Perhaps I'm just being a **** and the thing really should fit, but I
spent a good half hour last night trying to screw it on without cross threading it. When screwed on as hard as possible it still squirts everywhere, suggesting the plastic bit is too big for the tap I have. Will try again tonight and perhaps take some pix cheers all |
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Hi Chris
The tap is very likely indeed to have a standard thread, no matter how old (well, at least 1/2 a century). If the plastic connector goes on without splitting or the threads being chewed up, that's not the problem. Dead right. All threaded taps are BSP threads, even in Europe. In 30 years of connecting pressure washers to taps I've never found a domestic tap that wasn't 3/4" BSP. In industry you occasionally find 1" and rarely 1/2", but as you say, they are chalk & cheese. It almost has to be 3/4" BSP which means the adaptor may be faulty - bad moulding or something. Try another one! Dave |
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In message , David Lang
writes Hi Chris The tap is very likely indeed to have a standard thread, no matter how old (well, at least 1/2 a century). If the plastic connector goes on without splitting or the threads being chewed up, that's not the problem. Dead right. All threaded taps are BSP threads, even in Europe. In 30 years of connecting pressure washers to taps I've never found a domestic tap that wasn't 3/4" BSP. In industry you occasionally find 1" and rarely 1/2", but as you say, they are chalk & cheese. It almost has to be 3/4" BSP which means the adaptor may be faulty - bad moulding or something. Try another one! Dave I have just connected up an outside tap and put a double adapter on it to run hoses to two different areas. I have used PTFE tape (think that's right ? ) because I had water squirting out. I still have a very slow drip, but it is manageable and certainly worth a try -- Sue Begg Remove my clothes to reply Do not mess in the affairs of dragons - for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup! |
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In article , David Lang wrote:
Dead right. All threaded taps are BSP threads, even in Europe. In 30 years of connecting pressure washers to taps I've never found a domestic tap that wasn't 3/4" BSP. There are 5/8" taps around - I used to have one! -- Tony Bryer SDA UK 'Software to build on' http://www.sda.co.uk Free SEDBUK boiler database browser http://www.sda.co.uk/qsedbuk.htm [Latest version QSEDBUK 1.10 released 4 April 2005] |
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In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
Tony Bryer wrote: In article , David Lang wrote: Dead right. All threaded taps are BSP threads, even in Europe. In 30 years of connecting pressure washers to taps I've never found a domestic tap that wasn't 3/4" BSP. There are 5/8" taps around - I used to have one! Ditto. But a 3/4 connector wouldn't begin to stay put on a 5/8 tap - so that is unlikely to be the OP's problem. -- Cheers, Set Square ______ Please reply to newsgroup. Reply address is invalid. |
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Set Square wrote:
Tony Bryer wrote: David Lang wrote: Dead right. All threaded taps are BSP threads, even in Europe. In 30 years of connecting pressure washers to taps I've never found a domestic tap that wasn't 3/4" BSP. There are 5/8" taps around - I used to have one! Ditto. But a 3/4 connector wouldn't begin to stay put on a 5/8 tap - so that is unlikely to be the OP's problem. When I had this problem, it was the (new!) washer, not being thick enough to squash between the plastic fitting and the brass tap. The water pressure is high enough here to easily squirt a jet over the house, which is a fairly tall one, for a two storey. Until I got the thing sorted out, water simply *hissed* out all over the place. |
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Ed B wrote:
Perhaps I'm just being a **** and the thing really should fit, but I spent a good half hour last night trying to screw it on without cross threading it. When screwed on as hard as possible it still squirts everywhere, suggesting the plastic bit is too big for the tap I have. Will try again tonight and perhaps take some pix cheers all OK, I reckon if it screws on smoothly and doesn't fall off, even when the water's turned on, it must -- as somebody's already said -- be a poor seal, not the wrong size. That's most likely caused by the lack of a washer: they can jump out and run away when one isn't looking. Just possibly, I suppose, this particular fitting may be too deep to screw up snugly to the mouth of this particular tap: an extra washer or two should cure that; but it doesn't seem likely to me. -- Mike. |
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Ed B wrote:
Perhaps I'm just being a **** and the thing really should fit, but I spent a good half hour last night trying to screw it on without cross threading it. When screwed on as hard as possible it still squirts everywhere, suggesting the plastic bit is too big for the tap I have. PTFE tape wrapped round your tap screw thread thread before connecting the hose screw top should take care of that. Works a treat. Sarah |
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I got a different adapter with a shallower screw and this seems to have
done the trick. The one that came originally wasnt screwing far enough on and the washer wasnt touching the metal i presume, hence the spray |
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Spot on Sir. I got a different adapter with a shallower screw and this
seems to have done the trick. The one that came originally wasnt screwing far enough on and the washer wasnt touching the metal i presume, hence the spray |
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Hi Tony
There are 5/8" taps around - I used to have one! People used them when washing away rocking horse droppings. :-) Dave |
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David Lang wrote: Hi Tony There are 5/8" taps around - I used to have one! People used them when washing away rocking horse droppings. :-) I know that connector sizes are not quite the same but, when looking through my father in law's collection of tap washers, there were a lot of 1/2" and 3/4", some 5/8" and two 9/16" ones. There was also some sort of measuring implement that defeated the Whipple Museum, and I mean to send to the National Maritime Museum to see if they have a clue what it is. My father in law couldn't remember. Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
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Ed B wrote:
Spot on Sir. I got a different adapter with a shallower screw and this seems to have done the trick. The one that came originally wasnt screwing far enough on and the washer wasnt touching the metal i presume, hence the spray Aha! Material for the memory bank, so thank _you_ ! Glad it worked out. -- Mike. |
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Nick Maclaren wrote:
[...] There was also some sort of measuring implement that defeated the Whipple Museum, and I mean to send to the National Maritime Museum to see if they have a clue what it is. My father in law couldn't remember. Come on! You don't expect us to take that lying down, do you? Description, please. -- Mike. |
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Mike Lyle wrote: Nick Maclaren wrote: [...] There was also some sort of measuring implement that defeated the Whipple Museum, and I mean to send to the National Maritime Museum to see if they have a clue what it is. My father in law couldn't remember. Come on! You don't expect us to take that lying down, do you? Description, please. A Bakelite (I think) tube about 6" long and 1/2" diameter with a cap that pulls off to release two steel rods. Those fit through holes in the tube (at right angles). He was a marine engineer, so it could have been a device for measuring the wear on engine cylinders. Or something. Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
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Hi Nick
I know that connector sizes are not quite the same but, when looking through my father in law's collection of tap washers, there were a lot of 1/2" and 3/4", some 5/8" and two 9/16" ones. I have once in 30 years come across a 7/8" BSP tap. Lewisham Council used them on the ground floor of tower blocks. The taps are for washing the bin areas, but they got huge water bill because the residents used them for car washing. They changed all the tap threads to 7/8" so the residents can't connect to them. On a similar basis, I did hear that Ford Motor Co in Dagenham have all their 3 pin 230v sockets & plugs made with the earth pin horizontal and the live/neutral vertical. It was to stop the theft of plugs which cost Ford a fortune every year. Dave |
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"David Lang" wrote:
On a similar basis, I did hear that Ford Motor Co in Dagenham have all their 3 pin 230v sockets & plugs made with the earth pin horizontal and the live/neutral vertical. It was to stop the theft of plugs which cost Ford a fortune every year. Close, its just the earth pin that is different. See: http://www.mkelectric.co.uk/products...5&rangeid=1037 Of course with the right contacts you can equip your house with the correct sockets ;-) -- |
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In article , Fred writes: | "David Lang" wrote: | | On a similar basis, I did hear that Ford Motor Co in Dagenham have all their | 3 pin 230v sockets & plugs made with the earth pin horizontal and the | live/neutral vertical. It was to stop the theft of plugs which cost Ford a | fortune every year. | | Close, its just the earth pin that is different. | | See: | http://www.mkelectric.co.uk/products...5&rangeid=1037 | | Of course with the right contacts you can equip your house with the | correct sockets ;-) It is generally the case that the cost of the bureaucracy to stop such petty theft, including the extra costs of special fittings, paper etc. costs 2-3 times as much as the theft. This applies to headed envelopes, MOD toilet paper and so on. But it is money well spent, according to dogma. This does not apply to systematic, organised theft, both because the losses are much higher and because the cost of stopping it is much lower. Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
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Hi Fred
Close, its just the earth pin that is different. Makes sense, cheaper & just as effective. Of course with the right contacts you can equip your house with the correct sockets ;-) ROFL! Dave |
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In uk.d-i-y, Fred wrote:
"David Lang" wrote: On a similar basis, I did hear that Ford Motor Co in Dagenham have all their 3 pin 230v sockets & plugs made with the earth pin horizontal and the live/neutral vertical. It was to stop the theft of plugs which cost Ford a fortune every year. Close, its just the earth pin that is different. See: http://www.mkelectric.co.uk/products...5&rangeid=1037 Of course with the right contacts groan you can equip your house with the correct sockets ;-) -- Mike Barnes |
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In uk.d-i-y Ed B wrote:
Perhaps I'm just being a **** and the thing really should fit, but I spent a good half hour last night trying to screw it on without cross threading it. When screwed on as hard as possible it still squirts everywhere, suggesting the plastic bit is too big for the tap I have. Will try again tonight and perhaps take some pix I've hit a similar problem when fitting up some pressure reducers for a greenhouse watering system. There definitely were two different thread pitches on what should have been the same size 3/4" BSP fittings, I've since sent the 'odd' ones to the dustbin in the sky where all such things deserve to be. -- Chris Green |
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In uk.d-i-y David Lang wrote:
Hi Chris The tap is very likely indeed to have a standard thread, no matter how old (well, at least 1/2 a century). If the plastic connector goes on without splitting or the threads being chewed up, that's not the problem. Dead right. All threaded taps are BSP threads, even in Europe. In 30 years of connecting pressure washers to taps I've never found a domestic tap that wasn't 3/4" BSP. Well as I said earlier in the thread I have come across hose fittings which are nearly, but not quite, 3/4" BSP. Not the taps themselves but intermediate bits which *should* have been able to interface with standard 3/4" but wouldn't. On inspection it was obvious that the thread pitch was slightly different. -- Chris Green |
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Nick Maclaren wrote:
In article , Mike Lyle wrote: Nick Maclaren wrote: [...] There was also some sort of measuring implement that defeated the Whipple Museum, and I mean to send to the National Maritime Museum to see if they have a clue what it is. My father in law couldn't remember. Come on! You don't expect us to take that lying down, do you? Description, please. A Bakelite (I think) tube about 6" long and 1/2" diameter with a cap that pulls off to release two steel rods. Those fit through holes in the tube (at right angles). He was a marine engineer, so it could have been a device for measuring the wear on engine cylinders. Or something. Actually, I find I do feel like a nice lie-down. -- Mike. |
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"Sarah Dale" wrote in message ... Ed B wrote: Perhaps I'm just being a **** and the thing really should fit, but I spent a good half hour last night trying to screw it on without cross threading it. When screwed on as hard as possible it still squirts everywhere, suggesting the plastic bit is too big for the tap I have. You may have the wrong size connector (implied by it being difficult to screw on), or possibly the rubber washer or O ring which normally provides the watertight seal inside is missing. These things are cheaply made and low precision however, and dripping connectors are not uncommon. |
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