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Morris
 
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Hi Guys,
Fitting a new Kitchen and have had the electrician in to fit new sockets, 8
doubles and 2 supplies for the cabinet lights.Also had him remove the old
strip light and fit a 4 way spot unit.Having a new 10 way consumer unit
fitted as well.He was able to tap into the kitchen ring from the room above
which did mean lifting a few floorboards..He has channelled down from above
for some of the sockets.We were a little taken aback when he quoted £1900
for this but as we need it done ASAP we have let him press on.Does this
sound pricey or has Part P shoved all prices up.We are in the East midlands.

Morris
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Morris wrote:
Hi Guys,
Fitting a new Kitchen and have had the electrician in to fit new sockets, 8
doubles and 2 supplies for the cabinet lights.Also had him remove the old
strip light and fit a 4 way spot unit.Having a new 10 way consumer unit
fitted as well.He was able to tap into the kitchen ring from the room above
which did mean lifting a few floorboards..He has channelled down from above
for some of the sockets.We were a little taken aback when he quoted £1900
for this but as we need it done ASAP we have let him press on.Does this
sound pricey or has Part P shoved all prices up.We are in the East midlands.

Morris


Is that £1900 or £1900 + VAT?

Sounds very high to me - although I've not had to have an electrician in
before - so can't really give a comparative cost.

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Morris wrote:

Hi Guys,
Fitting a new Kitchen and have had the electrician in to fit new sockets, 8
doubles and 2 supplies for the cabinet lights.Also had him remove the old
strip light and fit a 4 way spot unit.Having a new 10 way consumer unit
fitted as well.He was able to tap into the kitchen ring from the room above
which did mean lifting a few floorboards..He has channelled down from above
for some of the sockets.We were a little taken aback when he quoted £1900
for this but as we need it done ASAP we have let him press on.Does this
sound pricey or has Part P shoved all prices up.We are in the East midlands.

Morris


I think 50 quid a point and 50 quid per CU circuit is not unreasonable,
as they all cost time to chase, time to wire and money for the bits.

Thats £500 for the CU alone by my reckoning, and £500 for the kitchen
stuff..

1900 squids is about 2 weeks work alone, at modern prices, let alone the
bits.
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"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
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Morris wrote:

Hi Guys,
Fitting a new Kitchen and have had the electrician in to fit new sockets,
8
doubles and 2 supplies for the cabinet lights.Also had him remove the old
strip light and fit a 4 way spot unit.Having a new 10 way consumer unit
fitted as well.He was able to tap into the kitchen ring from the room
above
which did mean lifting a few floorboards..He has channelled down from
above
for some of the sockets.We were a little taken aback when he quoted £1900
for this but as we need it done ASAP we have let him press on.Does this
sound pricey or has Part P shoved all prices up.We are in the East
midlands.

Morris


I think 50 quid a point and 50 quid per CU circuit is not unreasonable, as
they all cost time to chase, time to wire and money for the bits.

Thats £500 for the CU alone by my reckoning, and £500 for the kitchen
stuff..

1900 squids is about 2 weeks work alone, at modern prices, let alone the
bits.


So £50 per socket is a reasonable price. No wonder people are so ****ed at
PartP
A friend who is very competant at electrics & electronics is just about to
do his kitchen. Hes
loking to get 4 double power points put into the ring/existing ones moved, a
couple spirs for appliances and a couple fused
feed for the under cupboard lighting and the extraction fan. This would
equate to a good £300/£400+
or he could spend a weekend doing it himself, costing £50



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Rob Convery wrote:
So £50 per socket is a reasonable price. No wonder people are so ****ed at
PartP
A friend who is very competant at electrics & electronics is just about to
do his kitchen. Hes
loking to get 4 double power points put into the ring/existing ones moved, a
couple spirs for appliances and a couple fused
feed for the under cupboard lighting and the extraction fan. This would
equate to a good £300/£400+
or he could spend a weekend doing it himself, costing £50


I assume he's going to D-I-Y. I would.


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got a quote to rewire the whole house, well just lights actually and came
out at 2.5k i was competant doing it myself but just couldn't really be
bother. But the 2.5k quote made my mind up, took me two days solid work but
its all done and signed off, there was just one cable for the earth bonding
from the mains water supply to the CU that I didn't connect up which the
elec picked up.


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"Rob Convery" writes:
So £50 per socket is a reasonable price. No wonder people are so ****ed at
PartP


Well, that was the typical pre-Part P price.
I don't know if it's changed significantly since.
Can also depend on how much making good is done afterwards.
Time-wise (labour cost), that can swamp the electrical work.

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Thats £500 for the CU alone by my reckoning,


Crikey. I recently changed my CU to a 12 way split load. Electricity off
to on again was about 6 hours. And I'm a slow worker. ;-)

Took me longer to wire the alarm panel back up again.

They were all mounted on nasty meter boards at the top of the cellar
stairs. So I removed the lot and dry lined the wall so there's now no
cable showing. Whole job about 2.5 days.

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"Rob Convery" wrote:


So £50 per socket is a reasonable price. No wonder people are so ****ed at
PartP


You have to make a living, don't you? There can be *some* economy of
scale, but adding sockets isn't usually a case of just tacking a spur on
the back of an existing socket, clipping it 3ft across the wall and
screwing on another socket.

Lifting floorboards was mentioned, as was replacing a CU. This all takes
time, and can take a *lot* of time. While the parts cost may only be a
few tens of pounds (fully populated Volex CU from Screwfix now under
£60), if it's going to take three or four hours to fit, and then another
couple of hours to test it all adds up.

My wife is a teacher with an in-demand specialism so she gets a couple
of "points" on top of normal pay spine. This makes her daily (supply)
rate up to something like £180 before tax. For a 6 hour working day (she
can often be longer) this is £30 per hour. I'd reckon this as a
reasonable rate for a teacher with 15 years experience in the classroom,
several difficut-to-obtain additional qualifications and a particular
skill-set that is so rare that jobs in that area often have to be
advertised more than once.

IMO it's also a reasonable rate for a knowledgeable, self-certifying
electrician with all the right test gear and tools. Note how there's no
little additional bit on the bottom of the bill for insurances, test
gear depreciation, contribution towards calibration costs, costs of
running a business bank account, limited company, training, travel
to-and-from site and so on and so forth.

So at £50 per socket you're probably looking at an estimate of 90
minutes work (£45) per socket plus cost of parts. By my reckoning that's
pretty good going. Certainly doesn't allow time for standing around with
cups of tea chatting to the client ;-)

Hwyl!

M.

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"Oliver" wrote in message
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got a quote to rewire the whole house, well just lights actually and came
out at 2.5k i was competant doing it myself but just couldn't really be
bother. But the 2.5k quote made my mind up, took me two days solid work
but its all done and signed off, there was just one cable for the earth
bonding from the mains water supply to the CU that I didn't connect up
which the elec picked up.


Ah so you got it certified - So whats the process of it actually being
checked?

They come round during it being done? before? after? and how much did you
end up
having to pay for that part of it?




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Hi again guys,
Any chance of us reaching a consensus on whether £1900 is a fair price or
not.
Morris
"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Thats £500 for the CU alone by my reckoning,


Crikey. I recently changed my CU to a 12 way split load. Electricity off
to on again was about 6 hours. And I'm a slow worker. ;-)

Took me longer to wire the alarm panel back up again.

They were all mounted on nasty meter boards at the top of the cellar
stairs. So I removed the lot and dry lined the wall so there's now no
cable showing. Whole job about 2.5 days.

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Morris wrote:
Hi again guys,
Any chance of us reaching a consensus on whether =A31900 is a fair

price or
not.

Morris
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Thats =A3500 for the CU alone by my reckoning,


Crikey. I recently changed my CU to a 12 way split load.

Electricity off
to on again was about 6 hours. And I'm a slow worker. ;-)

Took me longer to wire the alarm panel back up again.

They were all mounted on nasty meter boards at the top of the

cellar
stairs. So I removed the lot and dry lined the wall so there's now

no
cable showing. Whole job about 2.5 days.

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Don't know if it helps or not, but we had some electrical work done
July last year in West London.

The first lot was replacing the CU and rewiring 6 double sockets. Some
floorboards lifted. Total cost =A3700 for two blokes over two nights.

Our kitchen work was arranged by the fitter, 5 doubles, 1 cooker, 1
extractor switch, total =A3420, again floorboards lifted. Took one bloke
a day.

Hth

Shano

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"Morris" wrote in message
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Hi again guys,
Any chance of us reaching a consensus on whether £1900 is a fair price or
not.


NOT a fair price by a fairly long shot, I am not an electrician but did
about the same amount of work or possibly more when I moved in and it took
me less than two days of relatively easy work - including making good any
chases and around any new socket outlets, plus materials, (good value from
Screwfix).
The sooner the general public stop being ripped off by electricians,
plumbers and mechanics the better for us all.
As I see it - the reason for the new legislation (part P, Corgi) etc, is
that people who see no need to be ripped off for any work at home attempt to
have a go themselves to save a few quid - this is ok providing that they are
reasonably competant but the problems arise when they are not, and have
accidents thus forcing the government to push for legislation which then
enables the said trades to feel a bit more special than they really are and
to start charging through the nose for their services.
If I was you, I would visit the library and read up on circuit diagrams,
layouts, earthing specs etc. and then have a go yourself - IF YOU ARE
CONFIDENT, and don't give this bloke more money to fuel his Bentley with!


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Morris wrote:
Any chance of us reaching a consensus on whether £1900 is a fair price or
not.


Since you've accepted it and let him do the work as time was of the
essence - it's fair. A *rough* guess would be 300 quid for materials, so
say 1300 ish for labour after removing the VAT.

If a one man band, I'd expect it to pay for perhaps 4 days work.

How long did it take, and how many men on the job? And is it a good job?

'Cause if he's done the job well and within time, and you've accepted the
quote, why grumble?

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Franko wrote:
If I was you, I would visit the library and read up on circuit diagrams,
layouts, earthing specs etc. and then have a go yourself - IF YOU ARE
CONFIDENT, and don't give this bloke more money to fuel his Bentley
with!


I'm not an electrician, but I'd caution against advising a novice taking
on this work - sockets, lighting circuits and a CU change - if he has to
read up about the basics and time is of the essence.

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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
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Morris wrote:

Since you've accepted it and let him do the work as time was of the
essence - it's fair. A *rough* guess would be 300 quid for materials, so
say 1300 ish for labour after removing the VAT.

If a one man band, I'd expect it to pay for perhaps 4 days work.


Do electricians command 300+ quid a day? Wow.

David
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Rob Convery wrote:

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
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Morris wrote:


Hi Guys,
Fitting a new Kitchen and have had the electrician in to fit new sockets,
8
doubles and 2 supplies for the cabinet lights.Also had him remove the old
strip light and fit a 4 way spot unit.Having a new 10 way consumer unit
fitted as well.He was able to tap into the kitchen ring from the room
above
which did mean lifting a few floorboards..He has channelled down from
above
for some of the sockets.We were a little taken aback when he quoted £1900
for this but as we need it done ASAP we have let him press on.Does this
sound pricey or has Part P shoved all prices up.We are in the East
midlands.

Morris


I think 50 quid a point and 50 quid per CU circuit is not unreasonable, as
they all cost time to chase, time to wire and money for the bits.

Thats £500 for the CU alone by my reckoning, and £500 for the kitchen
stuff..

1900 squids is about 2 weeks work alone, at modern prices, let alone the
bits.



So £50 per socket is a reasonable price. No wonder people are so ****ed at
PartP
A friend who is very competant at electrics & electronics is just about to
do his kitchen. Hes
loking to get 4 double power points put into the ring/existing ones moved, a
couple spirs for appliances and a couple fused
feed for the under cupboard lighting and the extraction fan. This would
equate to a good £300/£400+
or he could spend a weekend doing it himself, costing £50



If you think weekends work is worth 50 quid, come and work for me...:0-)
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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

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The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Thats £500 for the CU alone by my reckoning,



Crikey. I recently changed my CU to a 12 way split load. Electricity off
to on again was about 6 hours. And I'm a slow worker. ;-)

Took me longer to wire the alarm panel back up again.

They were all mounted on nasty meter boards at the top of the cellar
stairs. So I removed the lot and dry lined the wall so there's now no
cable showing. Whole job about 2.5 days.

Well at electrician rates thats about 700 quid inc bits.

Its easy enough to simply aswap out a CU, BUT if it involves little bits
of chasing and cutting and new circuits etc etc.

Believe me, Ive done a little netowrk wiring commerciully, and nothing
is ever simple., Just to lay a wire to a socket can take a couple of
hours - more if its not surface trunking...OK some you win some you
lose, but 50 quid a point is accpeted as being not far off the mark.

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Morris wrote:

Hi again guys,
Any chance of us reaching a consensus on whether £1900 is a fair price or
not.


I think its on the high side, but not unreasonable.
Ask him how he calculated it.

If the unspoken answer is 'because generally people will pay that, and I
have plenty that will, so if you don't want it, feck off' then you have
a choice don't you?


Morris
"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Thats £500 for the CU alone by my reckoning,


Crikey. I recently changed my CU to a 12 way split load. Electricity off
to on again was about 6 hours. And I'm a slow worker. ;-)

Took me longer to wire the alarm panel back up again.

They were all mounted on nasty meter boards at the top of the cellar
stairs. So I removed the lot and dry lined the wall so there's now no
cable showing. Whole job about 2.5 days.

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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

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Morris wrote:

Any chance of us reaching a consensus on whether £1900 is a fair price or
not.



Since you've accepted it and let him do the work as time was of the
essence - it's fair. A *rough* guess would be 300 quid for materials, so
say 1300 ish for labour after removing the VAT.

If a one man band, I'd expect it to pay for perhaps 4 days work.


10 days work.


How long did it take, and how many men on the job? And is it a good job?

'Cause if he's done the job well and within time, and you've accepted the
quote, why grumble?



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Lobster wrote:

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

In article ,
Morris wrote:

Since you've accepted it and let him do the work as time was of the
essence - it's fair. A *rough* guess would be 300 quid for materials, so
say 1300 ish for labour after removing the VAT.

If a one man band, I'd expect it to pay for perhaps 4 days work.



Do electricians command 300+ quid a day? Wow.


No, but one and his mate might.


David

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Lobster wrote:
Do electricians command 300+ quid a day? Wow.


That's only £37 an hour, assuming an 8-hour day. Which of course does
not take into account -

- most electricians can't bill 8 hours a day, 5 days a week
- several weeks holiday a year
- time lost due to illness or accident
- time lost due to delayed other works on a project
- time lost going to the wholesalers for materials
- someone has to be paid (even if it's the opportunity cost of the wife
staying at home) to answer the phone and take messages
- someone has to be paid (even if ditto) to make up the bills, chase
payments, pay suppliers accounts, keep the books, send in the tax returns
- the van, telephone line, any advertising, has to be paid for every
week regardless of work done
- so does the public liability insurance, employee insurance if he has a
mate, national insurance contributions, insurance on the van, tools and
materials
- so does the pension, and if the wife isn't working, so does her pension

An employed electrician or plumber is probably on about £16 an hour
gross + bonuses. After all the business expenses above are taking into
account, the self-employed sparkie is probably on no more, possibly less.

Owain


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"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
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Rob Convery wrote:

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
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Morris wrote:


Hi Guys,
Fitting a new Kitchen and have had the electrician in to fit new
sockets, 8
doubles and 2 supplies for the cabinet lights.Also had him remove the
old
strip light and fit a 4 way spot unit.Having a new 10 way consumer unit
fitted as well.He was able to tap into the kitchen ring from the room
above
which did mean lifting a few floorboards..He has channelled down from
above
for some of the sockets.We were a little taken aback when he quoted
£1900
for this but as we need it done ASAP we have let him press on.Does this
sound pricey or has Part P shoved all prices up.We are in the East
midlands.

Morris

I think 50 quid a point and 50 quid per CU circuit is not unreasonable,
as they all cost time to chase, time to wire and money for the bits.

Thats £500 for the CU alone by my reckoning, and £500 for the kitchen
stuff..

1900 squids is about 2 weeks work alone, at modern prices, let alone the
bits.



So £50 per socket is a reasonable price. No wonder people are so ****ed
at PartP
A friend who is very competant at electrics & electronics is just about
to do his kitchen. Hes
loking to get 4 double power points put into the ring/existing ones
moved, a couple spirs for appliances and a couple fused
feed for the under cupboard lighting and the extraction fan. This would
equate to a good £300/£400+
or he could spend a weekend doing it himself, costing £50



If you think weekends work is worth 50 quid, come and work for me...:0-)


Your not too hot on the old maths are we - The price difference is £300/£350
so lets say £150 a day which is not too bad for some cash in hand jobs in my
eyes


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Lobster wrote:
If a one man band, I'd expect it to pay for perhaps 4 days work.


Do electricians command 300+ quid a day? Wow.


If they're a one man band and travel for free and really graft in an
expensive area to live, then not totally unreasonable for a 10 hour
working day. Of course if they start at 10 and finish at 4 after two hours
for lunch, its a different matter.

That's why the true facts are needed.

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The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Since you've accepted it and let him do the work as time was of the
essence - it's fair. A *rough* guess would be 300 quid for materials, so
say 1300 ish for labour after removing the VAT.

If a one man band, I'd expect it to pay for perhaps 4 days work.


10 days work.


Define a day. My normal day means arriving ready for work at 0800 and
leaving at 1900. If a workman wants 10:00 - 16:00 as their working day -
adjust the calculation.

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On Thu, 12 May 2005 16:40:53 +0100, "Morris"
babbled like a waterfall and said:

Hi again guys,
Any chance of us reaching a consensus on whether £1900 is a fair price or
not.


Only you can say, since only you know the work involved.

We have established that the sundries are of no consequence, say £100
maximum, so that leaves £1800 for the work.

If he is in and out, in two days, even over a weekend, that's £900 per
day. I would consider that a tad excessive, even for central london.


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Owain wrote:
Lobster wrote:
Do electricians command 300+ quid a day? Wow.


That's only £37 an hour, assuming an 8-hour day. Which of course does
not take into account -


- most electricians can't bill 8 hours a day, 5 days a week
- several weeks holiday a year
- time lost due to illness or accident
- time lost due to delayed other works on a project
- time lost going to the wholesalers for materials
- someone has to be paid (even if it's the opportunity cost of the wife
staying at home) to answer the phone and take messages
- someone has to be paid (even if ditto) to make up the bills, chase
payments, pay suppliers accounts, keep the books, send in the tax returns
- the van, telephone line, any advertising, has to be paid for every
week regardless of work done
- so does the public liability insurance, employee insurance if he has a
mate, national insurance contributions, insurance on the van, tools and
materials
- so does the pension, and if the wife isn't working, so does her pension


An employed electrician or plumber is probably on about £16 an hour
gross + bonuses. After all the business expenses above are taking into
account, the self-employed sparkie is probably on no more, possibly less.


Hmm. I'm a self employed sound engineer working in the 'glamour' world of
TV. And none I know of that I work with on the production crew - including
the director - get 37 quid an hour, labour only. And we all have the same
expenses as above as self employed.

Of course if you bring tools and transport into the equation I'm willing
to think that your figures are more meaningful. I charge extra for those.

But the sort of kit I'd need for even a minor TV shoot will cost about
20,000 quid without vehicle.

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Morris wrote:

Hi again guys,
Any chance of us reaching a consensus on whether ï½£1900 is a fair price or
not.


You would probably find a slightly lower price by shopping around, but
all in all it sounds fair enough to me - especially if it includes the
making good after.

Supplimentary question for any sparks out there... what are you paying
for insurance these days?


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"John Rumm" wrote in message
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Morris wrote:

Hi again guys,
Any chance of us reaching a consensus on whether ?1900 is a fair price or
not.


You would probably find a slightly lower price by shopping around, but all
in all it sounds fair enough to me - especially if it includes the making
good after.

Supplimentary question for any sparks out there... what are you paying for
insurance these days?


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this year for £5M it was £127.71 then changed to a policy covering me for
certification indemnity and that increased the premium to £282.91, and
another £290ish to work on rail stations.

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Philosopher writes
Morris wrote:

Hi again guys,
Any chance of us reaching a consensus on whether £1900 is a fair price or
not.


I think its on the high side, but not unreasonable.
Ask him how he calculated it.

If the unspoken answer is 'because generally people will pay that, and I
have plenty that will, so if you don't want it, feck off' then you have
a choice don't you?


Its sometimes a job finding anyone to work even around here, let alone
what they'll charge;(...
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On Thu, 12 May 2005 16:40:53 +0100, "Morris"
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Hi again guys,
Any chance of us reaching a consensus on whether £1900 is a fair price or
not.
Morris


Being in Manchester I'm not too sure on prices in the East Midlands,
and you really need to see a job like this before you can price it
properly.

That said I would have quoted about £400 for changing the consumer
unit, and £900 - £1000 for the rest, depending on how much additional
work was involved.

So £1900 sounds a little high, but then again I've not seen what's
involved.

John
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larry wrote:

this year for ï½£5M it was ï½£127.71 then changed to a policy covering me for
certification indemnity and that increased the premium to ï½£282.91, and
another ï½£290ish to work on rail stations.


Does that include any professional indemnity cover, or just PL, and EL
etc? What about cover for tools etc?


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Does £400 for the consumer unit include supplying the cu?

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On Thu, 12 May 2005 16:40:53 +0100, "Morris"
wrote:

Hi again guys,
Any chance of us reaching a consensus on whether £1900 is a fair price or
not.
Morris


Being in Manchester I'm not too sure on prices in the East Midlands,
and you really need to see a job like this before you can price it
properly.

That said I would have quoted about £400 for changing the consumer
unit, and £900 - £1000 for the rest, depending on how much additional
work was involved.

So £1900 sounds a little high, but then again I've not seen what's
involved.

John
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On Fri, 13 May 2005 12:17:39 +0000 (UTC), "Franko"
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"John White" wrote in message
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Being in Manchester I'm not too sure on prices in the East Midlands,
and you really need to see a job like this before you can price it
properly.

That said I would have quoted about £400 for changing the consumer
unit, and £900 - £1000 for the rest, depending on how much additional
work was involved.


Does £400 for the consumer unit include supplying the cu?


Yes. That is typically what we would charge for supplying and fitting
a 10 way split-load consumer unit, including MCBs.

John
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"John Rumm" wrote in message
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larry wrote:

this year for ?5M it was ?127.71 then changed to a policy covering me
for certification indemnity and that increased the premium to ?282.91,
and another ?290ish to work on rail stations.


Does that include any professional indemnity cover, or just PL, and EL
etc? What about cover for tools etc?


--
Cheers,

John.


John

el = £10,000,000 temp. employees
pl =£5,000,000
pa= £20,000
js=covered
pi is covered cant find the figure at the moment but covers certification
errors.

no tools covered and no stock. cost and conditions made it expensive and
unlikely that a payment would ever be made.

loz




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"larry" wrote in message
. uk...

"John Rumm" wrote in message
...
Morris wrote:

Hi again guys,
Any chance of us reaching a consensus on whether ?1900 is a fair price

or
not.


You would probably find a slightly lower price by shopping around, but

all
in all it sounds fair enough to me - especially if it includes the

making
good after.

Supplimentary question for any sparks out there... what are you paying

for
insurance these days?


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John.

this year for £5M it was £127.71 then changed to a policy covering me for
certification indemnity and that increased the premium to £282.91, and
another £290ish to work on rail stations.



good lord - excluding the new certification indemnity, was the cover pretty
much equivalent to the previous policy?

150% increase in premium is quite steep (not saying that it isn't the going
rate, though. it's not something I've got experience in).

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"larry" wrote in message
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"John Rumm" wrote in message
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Morris wrote:

Hi again guys,
Any chance of us reaching a consensus on whether ?1900 is a fair price

or
not.

You would probably find a slightly lower price by shopping around, but

all
in all it sounds fair enough to me - especially if it includes the

making
good after.

Supplimentary question for any sparks out there... what are you paying

for
insurance these days?


--
Cheers,

John.

this year for £5M it was £127.71 then changed to a policy covering me
for
certification indemnity and that increased the premium to £282.91, and
another £290ish to work on rail stations.



good lord - excluding the new certification indemnity, was the cover
pretty
much equivalent to the previous policy?

150% increase in premium is quite steep (not saying that it isn't the
going
rate, though. it's not something I've got experience in).

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mail me at
richard at olifant d-ot co do-t uk


added in the personal accident as well but more or less the same policy.

Loz


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larry wrote:

Does that include any professional indemnity cover, or just PL, and EL
etc? What about cover for tools etc?


el = ï½£10,000,000 temp. employees
pl =ï½£5,000,000
pa= ï½£20,000
js=covered
pi is covered cant find the figure at the moment but covers certification
errors.

no tools covered and no stock. cost and conditions made it expensive and
unlikely that a payment would ever be made.


That sounds quite good for the money. Must admit I have never been able
to work out how the insurers price these things.

IIRC we spend about 650 a year for our insurance, which includes similar
levels of cover (although no PA). It also has 500K PI, and 20K business
equipment "at home". That covers us for all software engineering
activities and most IT related ones. When we enquired about coverage for
network wiring (i.e. drilling the occasional hole, or chasing a wall,
mounting a wall port etc), they wanted to add thousands to the premium!
Given that the bulk of the time spent trading as a sparks must involve
do exactly those things, it seems hard to work out how they justify the
price they quoted us is that is what they are charging for the same
level of cover on its own.


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John.

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That sounds quite good for the money. Must admit I have never been able to
work out how the insurers price these things.

IIRC we spend about 650 a year for our insurance, which includes similar
levels of cover (although no PA). It also has 500K PI, and 20K business
equipment "at home". That covers us for all software engineering
activities and most IT related ones. When we enquired about coverage for
network wiring (i.e. drilling the occasional hole, or chasing a wall,
mounting a wall port etc), they wanted to add thousands to the premium!
Given that the bulk of the time spent trading as a sparks must involve do
exactly those things, it seems hard to work out how they justify the price
they quoted us is that is what they are charging for the same level of
cover on its own.


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John.


didn't bother with the network element, do it and be damned. for how much
data cabling i do a year i'd rather not spend more on insurance than the
work is worth.

Loz


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On Fri, 13 May 2005 16:55:19 +0100, John Rumm
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larry wrote:

Does that include any professional indemnity cover, or just PL, and EL
etc? What about cover for tools etc?


el = ?10,000,000 temp. employees
pl =?5,000,000
pa= ?20,000
js=covered
pi is covered cant find the figure at the moment but covers certification
errors.

no tools covered and no stock. cost and conditions made it expensive and
unlikely that a payment would ever be made.


That sounds quite good for the money. Must admit I have never been able
to work out how the insurers price these things.


It's all done by actuaries. These are people that found accountancy
too exciting.



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