Budget Table Saws...
 

My McKeller/Focus table saw (worst tool #5 in another thread) got
returned at the weekend.

They gave me my money back when I explained that I would accept a
replacement but only one that did not posess /any/ of the three faults
it had, I offered to open up a few boxes but they did not seem too keen,
so...

I am looking for a 10" table saw, spec as follows:

o Decent quality/results, given price limits.
o Table around 650mm by 450mm (or more).
o Rip fence clamping to both sides of the table, not just T-square type.
o Mitre fence with protractor.
o Stand option pref'd
o Router insert would be a nice to have.
o Dust extract port.
o 230v

Budget is "around" £100-£150

I have seen the following models:

SIP 07817 - but where to buy?
Charnwoord W610 - v. sim to SIP really.
Clarke CTS10PLM - more expensive & no router insert I think?

Anyone have exp of these or other models which fit the bill?

TIA,

Alex.

"AlexW" wrote in message
...
My McKeller/Focus table saw (worst tool #5 in another thread) got returned
at the weekend.

They gave me my money back when I explained that I would accept a
replacement but only one that did not posess /any/ of the three faults it
had, I offered to open up a few boxes but they did not seem too keen,
so...

I am looking for a 10" table saw, spec as follows:

o Decent quality/results, given price limits.
o Table around 650mm by 450mm (or more).
o Rip fence clamping to both sides of the table, not just T-square type.
o Mitre fence with protractor.
o Stand option pref'd
o Router insert would be a nice to have.
o Dust extract port.
o 230v

Budget is "around" £100-£150

I have seen the following models:

SIP 07817 - but where to buy?
Charnwoord W610 - v. sim to SIP really.
Clarke CTS10PLM - more expensive & no router insert I think?

Anyone have exp of these or other models which fit the bill?


I have a sip and it is very good, I had to tweak the motor mounts to set it
up right in the first place. Costco still have them I believe at about 100
quid including the stand.

mrcheerful

mrcheerful . wrote:
snip/

I have a sip and it is very good, I had to tweak the motor mounts to set it
up right in the first place. Costco still have them I believe at about 100
quid including the stand.

mrcheerful


Thanks for the info ... I'll give em a go.

Alex

On Tue, 10 May 2005 15:04:51 GMT, mrcheerful =

.. wrote:

Costco still have them I believe at about 100 quid including the
stand.

I got a Ryobi 10" table saw a while back from Costco bit more than
=A3100, nearer =A3200. Fits the specification of the OP apart from the
router insert. Extruded Ali deck rather than cast iron or a bent tin
sheet, and moulded case, means it doesn't go rusty in the garage...

--
Cheers
Dave. pam is missing e-mail

Hi Alex
I am looking for a 10" table saw, spec as follows:

o Decent quality/results, given price limits.
o Table around 650mm by 450mm (or more).
o Rip fence clamping to both sides of the table, not just T-square type.
o Mitre fence with protractor.
o Stand option pref'd
o Router insert would be a nice to have.
o Dust extract port.
o 230v

Budget is "around" £100-£150

I have seen the following models:

SIP 07817 - but where to buy?
Charnwoord W610 - v. sim to SIP really.
Clarke CTS10PLM - more expensive & no router insert I think?

I have the Charnwood W615 table saw which has an induction motor, rather
than a brush motor - much longer lasting & more wellie under load. Cast
aluminium table, two way dust extraction, stand available (& good). No
router insert - I have a table anyway.

Rip fence clamps back & front, but I did have trouble with mine not clamping
square and coming 'unclamped'. I have to say that Charnwoods after sales
service is first class. Talked me through the problem, suggested several
adjustments & when they didn't fix the problem, they sent me a brand new
complete rip fence free. Definitely would deal with them again.

Thing I like is that it's easy to remove & replace the throat plate and
thence the splitter & guard, so you can cut groves, dados, tennons etc. I
did change the blade that came with it.

I'm well pleased with it given the price and very impressed by the company.

Dave

On Tue, 10 May 2005 15:56:46 +0100, AlexW wrote:

Anyone have exp of these or other models which fit the bill?

Axminster BTS10PP Nearer £200, but it's the first that's really usable.

Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Tue, 10 May 2005 15:04:51 GMT, mrcheerful
. wrote:


Costco still have them I believe at about 100 quid including the
stand.


I got a Ryobi 10" table saw a while back from Costco bit more than
£100, nearer £200. Fits the specification of the OP apart from the
router insert. Extruded Ali deck rather than cast iron or a bent tin
sheet, and moulded case, means it doesn't go rusty in the garage...


Hi Dave,

Do you have the model number ... the Ryobi I have looked at (ETS1525)
are a bit cheaper and don't have the fence that clamps on front and back
of table. If yours is one I have not seen yet I would like to find out more.

Cheers,

Alex

David Lang wrote:
Hi Alex

I am looking for a 10" table saw, spec as follows:

o Decent quality/results, given price limits.
o Table around 650mm by 450mm (or more).
o Rip fence clamping to both sides of the table, not just T-square type.
o Mitre fence with protractor.
o Stand option pref'd
o Router insert would be a nice to have.
o Dust extract port.
o 230v

Budget is "around" £100-£150

I have seen the following models:

SIP 07817 - but where to buy?
Charnwoord W610 - v. sim to SIP really.
Clarke CTS10PLM - more expensive & no router insert I think?


I have the Charnwood W615 table saw which has an induction motor, rather
than a brush motor - much longer lasting & more wellie under load. Cast
aluminium table, two way dust extraction, stand available (& good). No
router insert - I have a table anyway.

Rip fence clamps back & front, but I did have trouble with mine not clamping
square and coming 'unclamped'. I have to say that Charnwoods after sales
service is first class. Talked me through the problem, suggested several
adjustments & when they didn't fix the problem, they sent me a brand new
complete rip fence free. Definitely would deal with them again.

Thing I like is that it's easy to remove & replace the throat plate and
thence the splitter & guard, so you can cut groves, dados, tennons etc. I
did change the blade that came with it.

I'm well pleased with it given the price and very impressed by the company.

Dave



Hi Dave,

I had another look at the W615 and I do like it, however, did you have
to pay extra for the extensions shown in the brochure?

Also, I was thinking I might buy a second set of extensions (later) to
put the router in (just to avoid making a table/slide assy really, still
have to knock up a fence). Are the extensions amenable to a bit of
drilling etc ... or is this a non-starter?

Cheers,

Alex.

Andy Dingley wrote:
On Tue, 10 May 2005 15:56:46 +0100, AlexW wrote:


Anyone have exp of these or other models which fit the bill?


Axminster BTS10PP Nearer £200, but it's the first that's really usable.

This looks nice. But the price is getting high (and I keep overspending
on these things)! Your final comment leads me to ask ... what were the
other brands you found lacking.

There are reviews of the BTS10P/PP on ukworkshop and another site (I
forgot where tho ...). Good feedback.

TIA,

Alex

mrcheerful . wrote:
"AlexW" wrote in message
...

My McKeller/Focus table saw (worst tool #5 in another thread) got returned
at the weekend.

They gave me my money back when I explained that I would accept a
replacement but only one that did not posess /any/ of the three faults it
had, I offered to open up a few boxes but they did not seem too keen,
so...

I am looking for a 10" table saw, spec as follows:

o Decent quality/results, given price limits.
o Table around 650mm by 450mm (or more).
o Rip fence clamping to both sides of the table, not just T-square type.
o Mitre fence with protractor.
o Stand option pref'd
o Router insert would be a nice to have.
o Dust extract port.
o 230v

Budget is "around" £100-£150

I have seen the following models:

SIP 07817 - but where to buy?
Charnwoord W610 - v. sim to SIP really.
Clarke CTS10PLM - more expensive & no router insert I think?

Anyone have exp of these or other models which fit the bill?



I have a sip and it is very good, I had to tweak the motor mounts to set it
up right in the first place. Costco still have them I believe at about 100
quid including the stand.

mrcheerful



My Costco does not have any ... darn!

Ta,

Alex

Hi Alex
I had another look at the W615 and I do like it, however, did you have
to pay extra for the extensions shown in the brochure?

I bought mine from a local dealer and it came with legs, extensions and a
spare blade for about £170. Charnwood currently have it on offer @£149 +
£20 for extensions and £15 for legs.

Also, I was thinking I might buy a second set of extensions (later) to
put the router in (just to avoid making a table/slide assy really, still
have to knock up a fence). Are the extensions amenable to a bit of
drilling etc ... or is this a non-starter?

They fix to the main table with bolts going into tapped holes, so not
exactly quick release. You could certainly drill them - not sure what you
need for cast aluminium though. Cobalt?

Charnwood do a really nice router tables at reasonable money, one on special
with a router for £80.

Dave

David Lang wrote:
Hi Alex

I had another look at the W615 and I do like it, however, did you have
to pay extra for the extensions shown in the brochure?


I bought mine from a local dealer and it came with legs, extensions and a
spare blade for about £170. Charnwood currently have it on offer @£149 +
£20 for extensions and £15 for legs.

Also, I was thinking I might buy a second set of extensions (later) to
put the router in (just to avoid making a table/slide assy really, still
have to knock up a fence). Are the extensions amenable to a bit of
drilling etc ... or is this a non-starter?


They fix to the main table with bolts going into tapped holes, so not
exactly quick release. You could certainly drill them - not sure what you
need for cast aluminium though. Cobalt?

Charnwood do a really nice router tables at reasonable money, one on special
with a router for £80.

Dave



Thanks Dave ... is your local dealer still doing their deal?

router tables I have considered the Charnwood ones but its another
thing to put in my small and burgeoning garage, hence the dual purpose
approach.

Alex

Hi Alex

Thanks Dave ... is your local dealer still doing their deal?

Don't know, all I did was ring all the local ones listed on the Charnwood
site & asked for their best price.

router tables I have considered the Charnwood ones but its another
thing to put in my small and burgeoning garage, hence the dual purpose
approach.

Know what you mean! My garage @ 16' x 8' is very tight for space. Table
saw on lockable castors, rolls back under shelving, router table stored
under bench, slid out as required.

I have a workmate with a 3' piece of kitchen worktop on top. All the
shelves on one wall have one which is the same height as the workmate +
worktop. I just move the workmate along & pull out the kit.

Dave

On Thu, 12 May 2005 13:31:31 +0100, AlexW wrote:

Do you have the model number ...

It says on the front "Ryobi Industrial" "254mm Precision Benchtop
Table Saw" "Model: BT250ET".

Google doesn't produce much... It's several years old now so may have
been superceeded.

--
Cheers
Dave. pam is missing e-mail

Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Thu, 12 May 2005 13:31:31 +0100, AlexW wrote:


Do you have the model number ...


It says on the front "Ryobi Industrial" "254mm Precision Benchtop
Table Saw" "Model: BT250ET".

Google doesn't produce much... It's several years old now so may have
been superceeded.


Thanks Dave,

Managed to dig up some sites with the Ryobi ETS 1825 and RTS 1425, both
of which are (semi) industrial jobs which look good. I'll try looking
for the BT250.

Ta,

Alex.

On Thu, 12 May 2005 13:53:45 +0100, AlexW
wrote:

Andy Dingley wrote:
On Tue, 10 May 2005 15:56:46 +0100, AlexW wrote:


Anyone have exp of these or other models which fit the bill?


Axminster BTS10PP Nearer £200, but it's the first that's really usable.

This looks nice. But the price is getting high (and I keep overspending
on these things)! Your final comment leads me to ask ... what were the
other brands you found lacking.

There are reviews of the BTS10P/PP on ukworkshop and another site (I
forgot where tho ...). Good feedback.

I also have this saw, purchased in 2000, and have been very pleased
with it. At that time there were fewer saws available in the budget
price range. I bought mine largely on the basis of a recommendation in
a comparative review by one of the woodworking magazines. Plus points
in the review were the general build quality, the rip fence which
clamps front and back (although it pays to check carefully for being
parallel with the blade) and a fairly decent quality blade as
standard.

I expected mine to be a stopgap until I had the space/funds to get
something bigger and better, but I'm still using it now
and upgrading is certainly not near the top of my priority list. The
only downside is that blade changing must be carried out from beneath
the table, which can be a bit inconveniet if you regularly need to use
a proper rip or crosscut blade. On the other hand it does encourage
more careful planning of work to minimise changes!

You mentioned that a stand option would be preferable, but if you were
able to build a workstation for it, you could have a router mounted
in a table extension that doesn't have to be attached to the saw table
itself, for example something like this:
url:http://store.yahoo.com/backissuesstore/sn050.html

Of course, that may not suit your workshop setup.

Another possibility is the Jimmy Jig:
url:http://www.island.net/~macduff2/ be warned, though, it's the
most awful website!!
I've had the site bookmarked for ages and am quite intrigued by the
concept. I've never heard of anyone who;s made one, so not sure if it
actually lives up to its designer's hype (of which there is lots!!).

hope this helps, rather than muddying the waters further!!

David