Toilet flush problem.
 

The bog's stopped working properly. The flush water no longer makes its
way all the way round to the front of the bowl, although there seems to
be just as much water flowing just as fast as it ever did, so that the
front of the bowl never gets cleaned and paper tends not to get flushed
away properly either. Anyone had this problem?

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The bog's stopped working properly. The flush water no longer makes its
way all the way round to the front of the bowl, although there seems to
be just as much water flowing just as fast as it ever did, so that the
front of the bowl never gets cleaned and paper tends not to get flushed
away properly either. Anyone had this problem?

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That's interesting. I've got exactly the same problem with one of mine.

Mine's always been like it though. I've put it down to the fact that it's a
cheapo bog, the sort that derives from Portugal or where ever. Not my
choice - our predecessors put it in.

Perhaps it's a water pressure problem? I look forward to seeing any fixes.

Mary Pegg wrote:
The bog's stopped working properly. The flush water no longer makes its
way all the way round to the front of the bowl, although there seems to
be just as much water flowing just as fast as it ever did, so that the
front of the bowl never gets cleaned and paper tends not to get flushed
away properly either. Anyone had this problem?

If you are in a hard water area, it's probably just scaled up under the
rim. The front is where the pressure is least, so is more likely to be
affected.
Time for descaler and some rags?

Lee
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Mary Pegg wrote:
The bog's stopped working properly. The flush water no longer makes its
way all the way round to the front of the bowl, although there seems to
be just as much water flowing just as fast as it ever did, so that the
front of the bowl never gets cleaned and paper tends not to get flushed
away properly either. Anyone had this problem?

If you are in a hard water area, it's probably just scaled up under the
rim. The front is where the pressure is least, so is more likely to be
affected.
Time for descaler and some rags?

Same problem here. Although we've hard water, the rim underside has always
been cleared of scale by squirting the descaler up into it. The water comes
through a large number of 6 mm holes under the rim so if it's scaled up, its
above these holes. Tried descaler in the cistern too, but bad idea. Before
that worked on the scale it softened the rubber washer on the water supply
inlet at the bottom of the cistern which started leaking and had to be
renewed.

Rusty.

Rusty wrote:

Same problem here. Although we've hard water, the rim underside has always
been cleared of scale by squirting the descaler up into it. The water comes
through a large number of 6 mm holes under the rim so if it's scaled up, its
above these holes. Tried descaler in the cistern too, but bad idea. Before
that worked on the scale it softened the rubber washer on the water supply
inlet at the bottom of the cistern which started leaking and had to be
renewed.

We had this problem with the previous toilet, so since fitting this one
we have used descaler blocks in the cistern. When it rots the rubbers
(hasn't yet) they are easy enough to replace. ;)

Lee
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Lee wrote:

Mary Pegg wrote:
The bog's stopped working properly. The flush water no longer makes its
way all the way round to the front of the bowl, although there seems to
be just as much water flowing just as fast as it ever did, so that the
front of the bowl never gets cleaned and paper tends not to get flushed
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Except with the application of the bog brush...

away properly either. Anyone had this problem?

If you are in a hard water area, it's probably just scaled up under the
rim. The front is where the pressure is least, so is more likely to be
affected.
Time for descaler and some rags?

Yes, that'll be it.

[fx: thinks] So the water is meant to travel around the rim and *then*
enter the bowl? So the problem lies at the front?

Thanks everybody.

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Mary Pegg wrote:

[fx: thinks] So the water is meant to travel around the rim and *then*
enter the bowl? So the problem lies at the front?

Golly! A Flash animation that's actually useful! See he
http://home.howstuffworks.com/toilet1.htm

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Mary Pegg popped their head over the parapet saw what was going on and
said
Mary Pegg wrote:

[fx: thinks] So the water is meant to travel around the rim and
*then* enter the bowl? So the problem lies at the front?

Golly! A Flash animation that's actually useful! See he
http://home.howstuffworks.com/toilet1.htm

I have never dealt with a cistern like that (leftpondian ?)
there appears to be no siphon merely some sort of flap
valve controlling the flush.

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Mary Pegg popped their head over the parapet saw what was going on and
said
Mary Pegg wrote:

[fx: thinks] So the water is meant to travel around the rim and
*then* enter the bowl? So the problem lies at the front?

Golly! A Flash animation that's actually useful! See he
http://home.howstuffworks.com/toilet1.htm

I have never dealt with a cistern like that (leftpondian ?)
there appears to be no siphon merely some sort of flap
valve controlling the flush.


I seem to have just lost a post on a similar topic. I think that under mad
European legislation we will all have to use non-syphon flushes eventually.
These tend to dribble continuously once the seals have worn a bit.

Rusty

Rusty wrote:

I seem to have just lost a post on a similar topic. I think that under mad
European legislation we will all have to use non-syphon flushes eventually.
These tend to dribble continuously once the seals have worn a bit.

Which will make the scaling problem worse then :(

Lee
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Mary Pegg wrote in news:Z6x7e.806
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Mary Pegg wrote:

[fx: thinks] So the water is meant to travel around the rim and *then*
enter the bowl? So the problem lies at the front?

Golly! A Flash animation that's actually useful! See he
http://home.howstuffworks.com/toilet1.htm

I'm experimenting at the moment with dosing my cistern with small metered
amounts of spirits of salt (hydrochloric acid), on each flush

The concentration is extremely low, and I think, not harmful; time will
tell.

It appears to be working, the limescale I removed has not yet reformed - I
left a bit of scale on, but it hasn't disappeared - yet?

mike

In article , says...
The bog's stopped working properly. The flush water no longer makes its
way all the way round to the front of the bowl,

Ours did this. At the bottom of the pipe connecting the cistern to the
bowl there was a plastic widget attached. This threw the water out
around the rim. It had come off.

I pushed it back on, but it came off again a week or three later, so the
second time a little superglue was used.. It was fine after that.

You can't get at this widget very easily (and, indeed, your loo might be
different.) I could _see_ it by using a mirror and looking up under the
back of the rim. To actually fix it, had to free the loo from the floor
and shuffle it forwards a little. Lovely job :-)

Andrew.

In article ,
mike ring writes:
I'm experimenting at the moment with dosing my cistern with small metered
amounts of spirits of salt (hydrochloric acid), on each flush

This reminds me of a concern I had about the condensate drain
from a condensing boiler. Mine goes off into a Victorian sewer
pipe which very rarely has anything else going down one length
of it. I did wonder if the constant exposure to the acidity
might harm the cement between the glazed pipe sections. I'm
not sure what type of cement this will be in a 1900 sewer.

This makes me think of another idea -- how about running the
condensate into the toilet cistern if it's the type which
overflows down the pan? That would probably remove any
limescale problem over quite a short time.

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soup wrote:

Mary Pegg popped their head over the parapet saw what was going on and
said
Mary Pegg wrote:

[fx: thinks] So the water is meant to travel around the rim and
*then* enter the bowl? So the problem lies at the front?

Golly! A Flash animation that's actually useful! See he
http://home.howstuffworks.com/toilet1.htm

I have never dealt with a cistern like that (leftpondian ?)
there appears to be no siphon merely some sort of flap
valve controlling the flush.

Very much like the Fluidmaster valve, but the links lower down to Faucet
this and that do suggest usanian origins.

This reminds me of a concern I had about the condensate drain
from a condensing boiler. Mine goes off into a Victorian sewer
pipe which very rarely has anything else going down one length
of it. I did wonder if the constant exposure to the acidity
might harm the cement between the glazed pipe sections. I'm
not sure what type of cement this will be in a 1900 sewer.

This makes me think of another idea -- how about running the
condensate into the toilet cistern if it's the type which
overflows down the pan? That would probably remove any
limescale problem over quite a short time.

Well, I haven't got a condensing boiler, but if you've acid condensate
handy it might be a good idea.

But like the OP, my problem is inaccessible scaling in the flush channels,
and that's what the acid dosing will hopefully correct, but it has to go
into the cistern and be flushed, not just overflow down the pan, which is
relatively easily to descale, specially if occasionally someone
accidentally drops a small amount of acid in overnight

mike

John Stumbles wrote:

[ http://home.howstuffworks.com/toilet1.htm ]

Very much like the Fluidmaster valve, but the links lower down to Faucet
this and that do suggest usanian origins.

Well, the site is very much usanian.

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Rusty wrote:
Same problem here. Although we've hard water, the rim underside has
always
been cleared of scale by squirting the descaler up into it. The water
comes through a large number of 6 mm holes under the rim so if it's scaled
up, its
above these holes. Tried descaler in the cistern too, but bad idea.

I am now more familiar with the workings of my toilet. More than I used
to be, probably more than I really want to be. There aren't holes in the
rim, just a shelf sort of arrangement, far as I can work out:

..---.
| |
| -- water slooshes around here
'---.
\
\ the bowl


[use a fixed-width font, if you're wondering what that mess is]

Where the water enters the bowl rim, there's some sort of moulded
widget that forces it to shwang off in one direction or the other.
If there's something stopping it from making its full journey to
the other end, there to meet the other half, I'd guess it's scale
part of the way along. Which makes unscrewing the top of the
siphon and pouring descaler down the tube ineffective, as it just
drools round the widget rather than shooting off along the rim.

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On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 16:45:45 GMT, Mary Pegg
wrote:

Golly! A Flash animation that's actually useful! See he
http://home.howstuffworks.com/toilet1.htm

That site has some really good ones.
http://home.howstuffworks.com/sewing-machine2.htm

Where the water enters the bowl rim, there's some sort of moulded
widget that forces it to shwang off in one direction or the other.

Ours had come off the end of the pipe. I couldn't get it back on without
removing the toilet, but could tell that it was loose by poking my
finger up the back of the loo rim (ugh!) - it wobbled.

AJB wrote:

Where the water enters the bowl rim, there's some sort of moulded
widget that forces it to shwang off in one direction or the other.

Ours had come off the end of the pipe. I couldn't get it back on without
removing the toilet, but could tell that it was loose by poking my
finger up the back of the loo rim (ugh!) - it wobbled.

I reckon on mine it's moulded into the ceramic itself.

Anyone got recommendations for domestic water softeners?

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