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Mower lost air filter won't start.
This Craftsman mower won't start after I left covered outside for a
month. I check the oil dipstick, it's full. I'd check the gas, it's full. I check the spark plug for sparks, it sparks. I'd remove the spark plug and check for gas and I smell gas - plus a bit of moisture. The air filter has been missing for months. It doesn't have the extra "dead man" safety handle, or does it? I do notice a dangling loose wire running from the coil into the brake cable mechanism. I don't know where it actually goes or if it's necessary. What are some steps I could do in order to get this mower starting again? Thanks |
On Mon, 7 Mar 2005 20:22:06 -0800, Tim Zimmerman wrote
(in message ): This Craftsman mower won't start after I left covered outside for a month. I check the oil dipstick, it's full. I'd check the gas, it's full. I check the spark plug for sparks, it sparks. I'd remove the spark plug and check for gas and I smell gas - plus a bit of moisture. The air filter has been missing for months. Your gas is contaminated; dump it and put in fresh. If you have spark, then, no, you don't have another deadman switch (that works). DO NOT continue to operate without an air filter as you will suck enough dirt into the motor ruin it in short order if you haven't already. If it is a Briggs & Stratton engine check compression by spinning the engine backwards (by turning the flywheel by hand, NOT THE BLADE). If the flywheel comes up on compression going backwards and 'bounces' forward, then there is enough compression to run. If you have a Tequmseh (sp?) or Honda engine take it to the dealer. Hope this helps. |
you can also see if it will start with a squirt of ether (starting fluid)
"Roger Hull" wrote in message s.net... On Mon, 7 Mar 2005 20:22:06 -0800, Tim Zimmerman wrote (in message ): This Craftsman mower won't start after I left covered outside for a month. I check the oil dipstick, it's full. I'd check the gas, it's full. I check the spark plug for sparks, it sparks. I'd remove the spark plug and check for gas and I smell gas - plus a bit of moisture. The air filter has been missing for months. Your gas is contaminated; dump it and put in fresh. If you have spark, then, no, you don't have another deadman switch (that works). DO NOT continue to operate without an air filter as you will suck enough dirt into the motor ruin it in short order if you haven't already. If it is a Briggs & Stratton engine check compression by spinning the engine backwards (by turning the flywheel by hand, NOT THE BLADE). If the flywheel comes up on compression going backwards and 'bounces' forward, then there is enough compression to run. If you have a Tequmseh (sp?) or Honda engine take it to the dealer. Hope this helps. |
"Tim Zimmerman" wrote in message m... This Craftsman mower won't start after I left covered outside for a month. I check the oil dipstick, it's full. I'd check the gas, it's full. I check the spark plug for sparks, it sparks. I'd remove the spark plug and check for gas and I smell gas - plus a bit of moisture. The air filter has been missing for months. It doesn't have the extra "dead man" safety handle, or does it? I do notice a dangling loose wire running from the coil into the brake cable mechanism. I don't know where it actually goes or if it's necessary. What are some steps I could do in order to get this mower starting again? I'd check to make sure one of the valves hasn't gotten stuck open--very common where you have left them outside with no air cleaner......you can easily tell if this is the case if it "puffs" air back out of the carburetor on the compression stroke...... Usually, you can spray some wd-40 into the intake port and then stick a screwdriver into the plug hole and up against the stuck valve, gently tapping it back down with a small hammer while slowly turning the engine over by hand in order to free it back up. -- SVL |
Dump the gas, put some fresh one in.
Do usual maintanence: buy new air filter + spark plug+ oil Get starting fluid $.99 and try staring it again... Brian |
"Tim Zimmerman" wrote in message m... This Craftsman mower won't start after I left covered outside for a month. I check the oil dipstick, it's full. I'd check the gas, it's full. I check the spark plug for sparks, it sparks. I'd remove the spark plug and check for gas and I smell gas - plus a bit of moisture. The air filter has been missing for months. It doesn't have the extra "dead man" safety handle, or does it? I do notice a dangling loose wire running from the coil into the brake cable mechanism. I don't know where it actually goes or if it's necessary. What are some steps I could do in order to get this mower starting again? Thanks Just because you see a spark doesn't mean you are getting one "under compression" .... I would replace the plug and dump the gas as a good place to start....good luck, Ross |
Another technique that works is to use a propane torch (unlit). Direct the
gas from the torch into the carb and pull the starter cord. The engine will start on the propane and you can see if it will then run on the gas in the tank by just removing the torch. I wouldn't try this on two-stroke engines because there is no oil in the propane, but it works really well for four-strokes. -- Bob (Chief Pilot, White Knuckle Airways) "william_b_noble" wrote in message news:1110264728.8479760e8d57d83c2b57e0aa3c65a5ed@t eranews... you can also see if it will start with a squirt of ether (starting fluid) "Roger Hull" wrote in message s.net... On Mon, 7 Mar 2005 20:22:06 -0800, Tim Zimmerman wrote (in message ): This Craftsman mower won't start after I left covered outside for a month. I check the oil dipstick, it's full. I'd check the gas, it's full. I check the spark plug for sparks, it sparks. I'd remove the spark plug and check for gas and I smell gas - plus a bit of moisture. The air filter has been missing for months. Your gas is contaminated; dump it and put in fresh. If you have spark, then, no, you don't have another deadman switch (that works). DO NOT continue to operate without an air filter as you will suck enough dirt into the motor ruin it in short order if you haven't already. If it is a Briggs & Stratton engine check compression by spinning the engine backwards (by turning the flywheel by hand, NOT THE BLADE). If the flywheel comes up on compression going backwards and 'bounces' forward, then there is enough compression to run. If you have a Tequmseh (sp?) or Honda engine take it to the dealer. Hope this helps. |
On Tue, 08 Mar 2005 04:22:06 GMT, "Tim Zimmerman"
wrote: This Craftsman mower won't start after I left covered outside for a month. I check the oil dipstick, it's full. I'd check the gas, it's full. I check the spark plug for sparks, it sparks. I'd remove the spark plug and check for gas and I smell gas - plus a bit of moisture. The air filter has been missing for months. It doesn't have the extra "dead man" safety handle, or does it? I do notice a dangling loose wire running from the coil into the brake cable mechanism. I don't know where it actually goes or if it's necessary. What are some steps I could do in order to get this mower starting again? Thanks That moisture is a good way to prevent starting. It doesn't take much in a cold engine tp prevent starting. Try fresh gas. And a new filter would be a great idea. Unless the air around the mower is pristine. ERS |
Bob Chilcoat wrote:
Another technique that works is to use a propane torch (unlit). Direct the gas from the torch into the carb and pull the starter cord. The engine will start on the propane and you can see if it will then run on the gas in the tank by just removing the torch. I wouldn't try this on two-stroke engines because there is no oil in the propane, but it works really well for four-strokes. .... The time it's running on a little non-mixed fuel will be unlikely to make much difference at all...keeping a can of starter fluid on hand for such useage is always worthwhile.. |
"PrecisionMachinisT" wrote: I'd check to make sure one of the valves hasn't gotten stuck open (clip) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ As an aside, my small genset came with instructions that warned about that. They suggested always pulling the rope up onto the compression stroke when putting it away. That way you know the valves are closed, so they will be lifted by the cams the next time you try to start it. Seems like a good idea to me. |
Tim Zimmerman wrote:
This Craftsman mower won't start ... The air filter has been missing for months. .... Did it ever run without the filter? Some engines require the restriction from the filter to get the proper air flow and won't run without it. I can't recall if I've seen this on Craftsman engines. Bob |
Bob Engelhardt wrote: Tim Zimmerman wrote: This Craftsman mower won't start ... The air filter has been missing for months. ... Did it ever run without the filter? Some engines require the restriction from the filter to get the proper air flow and won't run without it. I can't recall if I've seen this on Craftsman engines. Bob Thanks for the laugh Bob. That was a good one. |
Al Bundy wrote:
Thanks for the laugh Bob. That was a good one. No, seriously. I used to bring home mowers from the dump, get them running, and sell them. I had mowers that wouldn't run without the filter. By "proper air flow" I didn't mean sufficient air flow, but correct air flow. I think that I read an explanation of this somewhere, but can't remember the logic. My memory is full and new stuff pushes out the old to make room. G Bob |
"Bob Engelhardt" wrote in message
... Al Bundy wrote: Thanks for the laugh Bob. That was a good one. No, seriously. I used to bring home mowers from the dump, get them running, and sell them. I had mowers that wouldn't run without the filter. By "proper air flow" I didn't mean sufficient air flow, but correct air flow. I think that I read an explanation of this somewhere, but can't remember the logic. My memory is full and new stuff pushes out the old to make room. G Bob Most of the "classic" Briggs and statton engine suction carburetors (mounted on the tank) will flood badly if trying to start without the air cleaner bolt installed. It might start but wont stay running. I've also repaired enough small engines from dumps to assume that everything needs to be checked before starting. http://repairfaq.ece.drexel.edu/sam/lmfaq.htm |
"Leo Lichtman" wrote in message ... "PrecisionMachinisT" wrote: I'd check to make sure one of the valves hasn't gotten stuck open (clip) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ As an aside, my small genset came with instructions that warned about that. They suggested always pulling the rope up onto the compression stroke when putting it away. That way you know the valves are closed, so they will be lifted by the cams the next time you try to start it. Seems like a good idea to me. You tap on the valve when the cam lobe is away and it usually suddenly closes under spring pressure--really no big deal once you know what the problem is. -- SVL |
On Tue, 8 Mar 2005 00:09:40 -0800, "PrecisionMachinisT"
wrote: "Tim Zimmerman" wrote in message om... This Craftsman mower won't start after I left covered outside for a month. I check the oil dipstick, it's full. I'd check the gas, it's full. I check the spark plug for sparks, it sparks. I'd remove the spark plug and check for gas and I smell gas - plus a bit of moisture. The air filter has been missing for months. It doesn't have the extra "dead man" safety handle, or does it? I do notice a dangling loose wire running from the coil into the brake cable mechanism. I don't know where it actually goes or if it's necessary. What are some steps I could do in order to get this mower starting again? I'd check to make sure one of the valves hasn't gotten stuck open--very common where you have left them outside with no air cleaner......you can easily tell if this is the case if it "puffs" air back out of the carburetor on the compression stroke...... Usually, you can spray some wd-40 into the intake port and then stick a screwdriver into the plug hole and up against the stuck valve, gently tapping it back down with a small hammer while slowly turning the engine over by hand in order to free it back up. There's a nugget worth noting! |
"Tim Zimmerman" wrote
This Craftsman mower won't start after I left covered outside for a month...What are some steps I could do in order to get this mower starting again? Hi, Got it started. Turns out ether worked, as suggested. Thanks all. But, new problems came up. Let's see if someone can pick one to solve. 1) It won't run when pushed. The end of the loose dangling wire mentioned earlier is giving out sparks, this could be the problem. As long as I don't push it the mower will run for 20 minutes then shut-down. 2) It won't start without ether. This is the reason why the air filter was thrown out in the first place since it ran fine without it, or doesn't it? I will look for a new filter box. I even dump out the old debris collecting gas when overhauling the carb. 3) Flywheel bearing seizes after 30-secs. I lube the one-way bearing with no luck. I will replace the bearing but not sure how. In order to keep the mower running I would have to remove the cover with the reel ( labeled Briggs & Stratton) or otherwise it will screech to a halt. |
"Bob Engelhardt" wrote in message ... Al Bundy wrote: Thanks for the laugh Bob. That was a good one. No, seriously. I used to bring home mowers from the dump, get them running, and sell them. I had mowers that wouldn't run without the filter. By "proper air flow" I didn't mean sufficient air flow, but correct air flow. I think that I read an explanation of this somewhere, but can't remember the logic. My memory is full and new stuff pushes out the old to make room. G Bob Some use the pressure drop to pull the fuel up from the tank! Pat |
Without the air filter, the mixture is too lean. You can sometimes get em
going with a squirt of ether, which riches up the mix. A friend of mine's tractor was like that. Had an oil bath air filter. Without it, it would run with the choke pulled partly closed, but would stall out with choke opened. -- Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org www.mormons.com "Bob Engelhardt" wrote in message ... Al Bundy wrote: Thanks for the laugh Bob. That was a good one. No, seriously. I used to bring home mowers from the dump, get them running, and sell them. I had mowers that wouldn't run without the filter. By "proper air flow" I didn't mean sufficient air flow, but correct air flow. I think that I read an explanation of this somewhere, but can't remember the logic. My memory is full and new stuff pushes out the old to make room. G Bob |
I had a neighbor down the street. well, he's still down the street. Had a
Craftsman lawn mower, with the Tec engine. Air filter missing. I spent some time getting it to run, and put on an air filter. Ran fine when I brought it back to him. The next time he brought it up to me, the air filter was missing. So, I put another one on, this time with a hose clamp. And told him how important it is to keep the air filter on. He brought it back the next time, with the air filter missing, and I refused to work on it. -- Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org www.mormons.com "Bob Engelhardt" wrote in message ... Tim Zimmerman wrote: This Craftsman mower won't start ... The air filter has been missing for months. .... Did it ever run without the filter? Some engines require the restriction from the filter to get the proper air flow and won't run without it. I can't recall if I've seen this on Craftsman engines. Bob |
This Craftsman mower won't start after I left covered outside for a
month...What are some steps I could do in order to get this mower starting again? Hi, Got it started. Turns out ether worked, as suggested. Thanks all. But, new problems came up. Let's see if someone can pick one to solve. 1) It won't run when pushed. CY: Hmm. You mean not enough power to cut lawn? The end of the loose dangling wire mentioned earlier is giving out sparks, this could be the problem. As long as I don't push it the mower will run for 20 minutes then shut-down. CY: That gets me thinking. Wonder if that's the wire that is supposed to shut down the motor when you turn it off? 2) It won't start without ether. This is the reason why the air filter was thrown out in the first place since it ran fine without it, or doesn't it? CY: If it needs ether to start, then it likely would be even less likely to start with the filter off. I will look for a new filter box. I even dump out the old debris collecting gas when overhauling the carb. CY: New air filter is a good idea. New gas is also a good idea. 3) Flywheel bearing seizes after 30-secs. I lube the one-way bearing with no luck. I will replace the bearing but not sure how. In order to keep the mower running I would have to remove the cover with the reel ( labeled Briggs & Stratton) or otherwise it will screech to a halt. CY: I kow what you mean, those ball clutch things. If you remove the motor cover, sometimes you can get the clutch apart, and then use some solvent and a towel to clean the crankshaft, and solvent and cotton swabs to clean inside the square tube that slips over. Use a magnet to get all the ball berrings out, put the tube back on, and put the ball berrings in. |
Some engines wouldn't run start well even with the filter if it was one
of the foam ones that needed oiling and the things had gone dry. Chap near me had the problem of his tecumseh mower not starting well so I suggested he oil the filter and the problem went away. Bob Engelhardt wrote: Al Bundy wrote: Thanks for the laugh Bob. That was a good one. No, seriously. I used to bring home mowers from the dump, get them running, and sell them. I had mowers that wouldn't run without the filter. By "proper air flow" I didn't mean sufficient air flow, but correct air flow. I think that I read an explanation of this somewhere, but can't remember the logic. My memory is full and new stuff pushes out the old to make room. G Bob |
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"Tim Zimmerman" wrote: "Tim Zimmerman" wrote This Craftsman mower won't start after I left covered outside for a month...What are some steps I could do in order to get this mower starting again? Hi, Got it started. Turns out ether worked, as suggested. Thanks all. But, new problems came up. Let's see if someone can pick one to solve. 1) It won't run when pushed. The end of the loose dangling wire mentioned earlier is giving out sparks, this could be the problem. As long as I don't push it the mower will run for 20 minutes then shut-down. That dangling wire is likely your kill switch. You can remove the blower housing easily enough and get a look at the ignition coil. That wire ought to plug into a little tab on the side of the coil. If you're missing the deadman brake assembly & control entirely, you can remove that kill wire to avoid accidental shutdowns, but then you'll have to kill the engine by shorting out the sparkplug with a screwdriver. You could bolt a little strip of sheetmetal on top of the engine's head so when you want to stop it you can step on it to push it into contact with the plug. Not pretty, but works. Don';t use your bare hands to do it though! (: If you want to repair it properly, look at your flywheel brake mechanism. You should notice a small wedge on the side of the brake lever that will contact a little piece of metal when the brake applies and will move out of contact. The bit of metal that's being contacted should be mounted in a little chunk of plastic. Thread the wire's end into that bit of metal and make sure it isn't touching anything beyond that plastic insulating block. It should actually have a little clip to hold the wide for you. Everywhere else secure the wire so it won't get tugged on by anything or pulled into the flywheel. 2) It won't start without ether. This is the reason why the air filter was thrown out in the first place since it ran fine without it, or doesn't it? I will look for a new filter box. I even dump out the old debris collecting gas when overhauling the carb. Does your carb have a choke or primer bulb? Should it? And are you using it? Some engines will have the primer bulb integrated into the air filter housing, so if that's gone, so is your primer. If that's the case then your carb's flange where the filter should bolt will have a little pinhole on the side. Either get your hands on a filter mount or rig up a choke plate that can cover up about 3/4 of the intake's cross-section. The filter is required since even a little bit of grit in the engine will work it's way into the oil and lap all of your bearings to death. If you haven't already, it's a very good idea to change your oil. Avoid using starting fluid to restart the engine when it's hot. The stuff evaporates so fast it'll cool down whatever it lands on and stress it. I've seen a valve cracked off from that. A little squirt of gas should work fine to start up without the danger. 3) Flywheel bearing seizes after 30-secs. I lube the one-way bearing with no luck. I will replace the bearing but not sure how. In order to keep the mower running I would have to remove the cover with the reel ( labeled Briggs & Stratton) or otherwise it will screech to a halt. I think you're talking about the little square shaft poking out the top with the one-way clutch in it. Your flywheel bearing is actually the bearing in the engine block towards the flywheel side. If that is seizing up, scrap the mower. But if it's just the starter on top of the flywheel, you can fix it. The square shaft is held in place by a flat metal disc which you can pry off easily once you get everything out of the way. Do this with the shaft pointed up because if you do it sideways for whatever reason you'll lose the balls when they fall out. It should be cleaned out completely--not a trace of rust or old grease anywhere. Use emery cloth on the inside of the square shaft and the round shaft it rides on. Then oil it with light oil--not grease. There is probably a small spongy pad up inside. If it is, put a few drops of oil on it. Engine oil is OK, but you might have to pull it apart again next year. The balls and all surfaces they contact should be clean and dry with no oil. Also check the reel and cover to see if it's been mashed down any. If it has it can also cause the bearing to seize and squeal. If you need to replace it, remove the spark plug and stuff a length of rope into the cylinder. Leave the end hanging out so you can pull it out later. Rotate the engine backward until it stops due to the rope. Now take some big-assed vise grips, channel-lock pliers, or whatever and twist the cup (not the shaft!) backwards and it should screw off. You can also use a hammer and punch on one side to break it loose. Take out the rope. The new one just screws on hand-tight. It'll get nice and snug the first time you pull the cord. -- B.B. --I am not a goat! thegoat4 at airmail dot net http://web2.airmail.net/thegoat4/ |
Tim Zimmerman wrote:
"Tim Zimmerman" wrote This Craftsman mower won't start after I left covered outside for a month...What are some steps I could do in order to get this mower starting again? Hi, Got it started. Turns out ether worked, as suggested. Thanks all. But, new problems came up. Let's see if someone can pick one to solve. 1) It won't run when pushed. The end of the loose dangling wire mentioned earlier is giving out sparks, this could be the problem. As long as I don't push it the mower will run for 20 minutes then shut-down. Does the wire lead to a box that says "Series 4" or similar? That's the kill for the deadman, When the deadman bar is released it grounds out the coil as well as applys a brake to the flywheel. 2) It won't start without ether. This is the reason why the air filter was thrown out in the first place since it ran fine without it, or doesn't it? I will look for a new filter box. I even dump out the old debris collecting gas when overhauling the carb. Probably gummed carb. Pull the carb off the gas tank and check if the intake tubes are plugged. I may have an old filter box in my pile of junk that you can have for the shipping charge if interested. 3) Flywheel bearing seizes after 30-secs. I lube the one-way bearing with no luck. I will replace the bearing but not sure how. In order to keep the mower running I would have to remove the cover with the reel ( labeled Briggs & Stratton) or otherwise it will screech to a halt. Once that starts seizing up it has to be replaced. The ratchet balls eventually wear grooves in the housing and bind up the works. It's about $15 and you need a special tool P/N 19244. All ya do is take off the cowling, remove and ground the spark plug wire, block the blade then unscrew it using the special tool. Installation is reverse but ya torque the clutch to 55 ft.lbs. Nate -- |
Many newer engines use the screw (s) that secures the air filter to
block off passages in the carb. Without the screws in those holes the carb draws to much air at low speed to start. -- Steve Williams "Stormin Mormon" wrote in message ... I had a neighbor down the street. well, he's still down the street. Had a Craftsman lawn mower, with the Tec engine. Air filter missing. I spent some time getting it to run, and put on an air filter. Ran fine when I brought it back to him. The next time he brought it up to me, the air filter was missing. So, I put another one on, this time with a hose clamp. And told him how important it is to keep the air filter on. He brought it back the next time, with the air filter missing, and I refused to work on it. -- Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org www.mormons.com "Bob Engelhardt" wrote in message ... Tim Zimmerman wrote: This Craftsman mower won't start ... The air filter has been missing for months. ... Did it ever run without the filter? Some engines require the restriction from the filter to get the proper air flow and won't run without it. I can't recall if I've seen this on Craftsman engines. Bob ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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