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OT-The party of hate picks a leader
Still more signs the Dems will be a extinct group soon.
http://www.gopusa.com/commentary/gue...jm_02141.shtml Gunner, laughing because they simply don't get it. It's better to be a red person in a blue state than a blue person in a red state. As a red person, if your blue neighbors turn into a mob at least you have a gun to protect yourself. As a blue person, your only hope is to appease the red mob with herbal tea and marinated tofu. (Phil Garding) |
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On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 16:40:16 GMT, Gunner
wrote: Gunner, laughing because they simply don't get it. Gunner believed the WMD lies & all the rest. He probably still does. BTW, Iran is not Iraq. The "Paris of the Middle East" was in Lebanon, not Iran. They caught & convicted the murderer in Washington DC ... it was NOT poor Monica after all. Lybia is in Africa. Neocons are blatent liars. Winger bolgs are usually akin to fairy tales but not nearly as clever. The list is pretty much endless. Someone clue him in. -- Cliff |
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On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 16:40:16 GMT, Gunner
wrote: Still more signs the Dems will be a extinct group soon. http://www.gopusa.com/commentary/gue...jm_02141.shtml Gunner, laughing because they simply don't get it. Here brainiac, read this and when you are capable of dealing with the issues let me know (although I won't hold my breath) http://polaris.gseis.ucla.edu/pagre/conservatism.html Hal It's better to be a red person in a blue state than a blue person in a red state. As a red person, if your blue neighbors turn into a mob at least you have a gun to protect yourself. As a blue person, your only hope is to appease the red mob with herbal tea and marinated tofu. (Phil Garding) |
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wrote in message ... On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 16:40:16 GMT, Gunner wrote: Still more signs the Dems will be a extinct group soon. http://www.gopusa.com/commentary/gue...jm_02141.shtml Gunner, laughing because they simply don't get it. Here brainiac, read this and when you are capable of dealing with the issues let me know (although I won't hold my breath) http://polaris.gseis.ucla.edu/pagre/conservatism.html Hal Here is the first few words from the above link; reasoning to be used by democrats to argue conservatism... it says a lot by what garbage if does say: "Q: What is conservatism? A: Conservatism is the domination of society by an aristocracy. Q: What is wrong with conservatism? A: Conservatism is incompatible with democracy, prosperity, and civilization in general. It is a destructive system of inequality and prejudice that is founded on deception and has no place in the modern world." Talk about vacuum brains! They just don't have a clue. Wayne |
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On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 18:12:08 GMT, "Wayne Lundberg"
wrote: wrote in message .. . On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 16:40:16 GMT, Gunner wrote: Still more signs the Dems will be a extinct group soon. http://www.gopusa.com/commentary/gue...jm_02141.shtml Gunner, laughing because they simply don't get it. Here brainiac, read this and when you are capable of dealing with the issues let me know (although I won't hold my breath) http://polaris.gseis.ucla.edu/pagre/conservatism.html Hal Here is the first few words from the above link; reasoning to be used by democrats to argue conservatism... it says a lot by what garbage if does say: "Q: What is conservatism? A: Conservatism is the domination of society by an aristocracy. Q: What is wrong with conservatism? A: Conservatism is incompatible with democracy, prosperity, and civilization in general. It is a destructive system of inequality and prejudice that is founded on deception and has no place in the modern world." Talk about vacuum brains! They just don't have a clue. Ah yes, didn't read the article did you? Can't deal with the issues can you? I didn't think so. So, which was Lincoln, conservative? What about the framers of The Constitution? Conservative? When you get a clue, feel free to ask for clarification. Hal Wayne |
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Gunner!! SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! They need to think Dean is a good pick. With any luck they will give Hillary the nomination in 2008 AND get Feinstein / Schumer to make gun control one of the main party planks for the election. Steve. "Gunner" wrote in message ... Still more signs the Dems will be a extinct group soon. http://www.gopusa.com/commentary/gue...jm_02141.shtml Gunner, laughing because they simply don't get it. It's better to be a red person in a blue state than a blue person in a red state. As a red person, if your blue neighbors turn into a mob at least you have a gun to protect yourself. As a blue person, your only hope is to appease the red mob with herbal tea and marinated tofu. (Phil Garding) |
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"The Party of Hate" OMG!!! (can't say God in public) I belong to no party
but you have really hit the nail. I am amazed at the truly vile hatred coming from the left. Isn't it the precursor to violence? I CAN visualize people like Cliffy going "Postal" ...but aren't they anti gun? "Gunner" wrote in message ... Still more signs the Dems will be a extinct group soon. http://www.gopusa.com/commentary/gue...jm_02141.shtml Gunner, laughing because they simply don't get it. It's better to be a red person in a blue state than a blue person in a red state. As a red person, if your blue neighbors turn into a mob at least you have a gun to protect yourself. As a blue person, your only hope is to appease the red mob with herbal tea and marinated tofu. (Phil Garding) |
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wrote in message ... On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 18:12:08 GMT, "Wayne Lundberg" wrote: wrote in message .. . On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 16:40:16 GMT, Gunner wrote: Still more signs the Dems will be a extinct group soon. http://www.gopusa.com/commentary/gue...jm_02141.shtml Gunner, laughing because they simply don't get it. Here brainiac, read this and when you are capable of dealing with the issues let me know (although I won't hold my breath) http://polaris.gseis.ucla.edu/pagre/conservatism.html Hal Here is the first few words from the above link; reasoning to be used by democrats to argue conservatism... it says a lot by what garbage if does say: "Q: What is conservatism? A: Conservatism is the domination of society by an aristocracy. Q: What is wrong with conservatism? A: Conservatism is incompatible with democracy, prosperity, and civilization in general. It is a destructive system of inequality and prejudice that is founded on deception and has no place in the modern world." Talk about vacuum brains! They just don't have a clue. Ah yes, didn't read the article did you? Can't deal with the issues can you? I didn't think so. So, which was Lincoln, conservative? What about the framers of The Constitution? Conservative? When you get a clue, feel free to ask for clarification. Hal I think the problem is in trying to define the terms conservative and liberal in today's reality. The founders were true liberals as was Lincoln, in my book, as they broke from the past and paved the way to a brighter future. In my humble opinion today's liberals represent government as their true God, and today's conservatives want less government and more individual responsibility made possible by ownership. Ownership of our own home, education, ss funds, and the like. I think we could argue all day long if we stuck to trying to define these two terms as they are applied today. My decisions at the voting pole are based on my values and I look for the party or person who best reflects my values. It seems to be that today's liberals/democrats, or liberals, or democrats want to give their power to some elected ruler; which by your definition, would make you the conservatives in that you want to be ruled by a monarchy. Because you know once Hilary is elected, she will be a draconian ruler queen and your voice and that of the people who elect her will be silent because she will have earplugs. And you know it. I'm game to continue dialogue if you can stop your personal attacks on my ability to read, etc. Which is a dead giveaway that you are a true-blood liberal as defined as today's liberal and certainly not the kind that founded this country. This should be a compliment, should it not? Wayne |
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Wayne Lundberg wrote:
In my humble opinion today's liberals represent government as their true God, and today's conservatives want less government and more individual responsibility made possible by ownership. Ownership of our own home, education, ss funds, and the like. FEUDALISM Forsooth, varlet, licketh the mud frometh my horse's hooves. Eth. O_ 4o_ _|_/ /- Mutter revolt mumble. J( _7 | / |\ -|\ O | \ | \ _/\___ NEOCONISM You there! Lundberge? Lick the mud from my Humvee's tires. If you do a real good job, one day you might own one of your very own! \ \ Wow, I could own a Humvee? You could own a tire. / \ / _________ Only in America! /__||__|O_\___ / | _| | _ | O -(_)----(_)-- _/\__ |
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Cliff wrote:
Gunner believed the WMD lies & all the rest. He probably still does. A lot of people got fooled by Kerry and the liberal press: John Kerry said, "for 7-1/2 years we found weapons of mass destruction" (in Iraq) (this quote towards bottom of page) http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/...in573309.shtml http://server2.cybertarp.com/~peryno...-FOUND-WMD.jpg Short video (140k) of Kerry saying that: http://server2.cybertarp.com/~peryno...rryWMD140k.mov Long, high quality video of Kerry saying that and other Kerry flip-flops on Iraq: http://www.kerryoniraq.com President Bill Clinton announces he is ordering US forces to "attack Iraq's nuclear, chemical and biological weapons programs...." http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/middl...ton_12-16.html Long, high quality video of MANY Clinton quotes saying WMD in Iraq: http://www.republicanfilms.com Russian intelligence service warned Bush that Iraq was planning attacks against U.S. targets after 9-11: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2004Jun18.html Nearly two tons of radiological and nuclear materials removed from Iraq: http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/...ear/index.html Iraqi nuclear scientist Hussein Isma'il Al-Bahdli saying Saddam was within two years of having a nuclear bomb: http://www.memritv.org/Transcript.asp?P1=190 A group of about 12 middle-ranking Iraqi nuclear technicians and their families were transported to Syria before the collapse of Saddam's regime. http://news.telegraph.co.uk/news/mai.../09/26/wiran26 ..xml 9-11 Commission found ties between Iraq and al Qaeda: (page 66, section 2.5) http://server2.cybertarp.com/~peryno...-ties.lies.jpg http://www.9-11commission.gov/ |
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SteveF wrote:
Gunner!! SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! They need to think Dean is a good pick. With any luck they will give Hillary the nomination in 2008 AND get Feinstein / Schumer to make gun control one of the main party planks for the election. Dean was endorsed by the NRA every time he ran for governor. You are going to have to find a different straw man. -- jeff |
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On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 19:53:15 GMT, "Wayne Lundberg"
wrote: I think the problem is in trying to define the terms conservative and liberal in today's reality. The founders were true liberals as was Lincoln, in my book, as they broke from the past and paved the way to a brighter future. Yes. In my humble opinion today's liberals represent government as their true God, and today's conservatives want less government and more individual responsibility made possible by ownership. Ownership of our own home, education, ss funds, and the like. That is no longer correct. You are equating liberalism with your idea of totalitarian communism, and that is not correct. And modern American conservatives obviously do NOT believe in smaller governement. I think we could argue all day long if we stuck to trying to define these two terms as they are applied today. My decisions at the voting pole are based on my values and I look for the party or person who best reflects my values. It seems to be that today's liberals/democrats, or liberals, or democrats want to give their power to some elected ruler; which by your definition, would make you the conservatives in that you want to be ruled by a monarchy. Because you know once Hilary is elected, she will be a draconian ruler queen and your voice and that of the people who elect her will be silent because she will have earplugs. And you know it. Um, what???? Are you on drugs? I'm game to continue dialogue if you can stop your personal attacks on my ability to read, etc. Which is a dead giveaway that you are a true-blood liberal as defined as today's liberal and certainly not the kind that founded this country. This should be a compliment, should it not? Wrong on a counts. As always, conservatives resist change. Liberals want change. Simple. Now, in terms of who has all the money and power, are they likely to be liberal or conservative? Hal Wayne |
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You'll be extinct too if you keep running that new mig welder of yours on a
100' ungrounded 12 ga extension cord. Talk about 'not getting it'! "Gunner" wrote in message ... Still more signs the Dems will be a extinct group soon. http://www.gopusa.com/commentary/gue...jm_02141.shtml Gunner, laughing because they simply don't get it. It's better to be a red person in a blue state than a blue person in a red state. As a red person, if your blue neighbors turn into a mob at least you have a gun to protect yourself. As a blue person, your only hope is to appease the red mob with herbal tea and marinated tofu. (Phil Garding) |
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As much as I hate to admit it.... today's Republican representatives we have
elected as our voice in Washington have bought in to the spend, spend, spend mania. I hate this as much as I imagine some Democrats hate the Kennedy, Kerry, Edwards and ugh, double ugh, Screaming Dean. |
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On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 22:32:43 GMT, "Wayne Lundberg"
wrote: As much as I hate to admit it.... today's Republican representatives we have elected as our voice in Washington have bought in to the spend, spend, spend mania. I hate this as much as I imagine some Democrats hate the Kennedy, Kerry, Edwards and ugh, double ugh, Screaming Dean. Yes, agreed. Both are examples of the old saying "absolute power corrupts absolutely." IMHO. The thing that is different for me, is that liberals want to spend taxpayers money on social programs. conservatives want to keep it with the wealthy and ignore the poor. I feel that a decent society MUST care for their disadvantaged. We can't reduce spending on Medicare and SS when the demand for those programs will be going up. Too many kids don't have adequate food, medical care, and education. This is going to cost us in the long run, and IMHO it's the conservatives who don't care about these things. regards Hal |
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Jeff Lowe wrote: SteveF wrote: Gunner!! SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! They need to think Dean is a good pick. With any luck they will give Hillary the nomination in 2008 AND get Feinstein / Schumer to make gun control one of the main party planks for the election. Dean was endorsed by the NRA every time he ran for governor. Not in my state, he wasn't. You are going to have to find a different straw man. -- jeff Screamin' Dean? After that performance he prolly won't be able to ever again purchase a firearm. |
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wrote: On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 19:53:15 GMT, "Wayne Lundberg" wrote: I think the problem is in trying to define the terms conservative and liberal in today's reality. The founders were true liberals as was Lincoln, in my book, as they broke from the past and paved the way to a brighter future. Yes. In my humble opinion today's liberals represent government as their true God, and today's conservatives want less government and more individual responsibility made possible by ownership. Ownership of our own home, education, ss funds, and the like. That is no longer correct. You are equating liberalism with your idea of totalitarian communism, and that is not correct. ??? The last thing fueling this economy (new housing starts) is totalitarian communism? Whatta goof. |
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wrote: Wrong on a counts. Really? As always, conservatives resist change. Liberals want change. Simple. But, but, but... What happens when conservatives advocate massive change... back to sanity? |
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On 14 Feb 2005 16:18:49 -0800, "bb" wrote:
wrote: Wrong on a counts. Really? As always, conservatives resist change. Liberals want change. Simple. But, but, but... What happens when conservatives advocate massive change... back to sanity? Have you noticed that, when it comes to social, political, and economic change, those in America that call themselves "liberals" or "progressives" are the one that are obstructing change. Who is it that wants to continue handling the Moslem problem in the same failed manner as for the last 30 years? Who is it that refuses to consider changing Social Security, although they themselves admitted it a failed system? Who is it that insist on clinging to the mistakes of the past, and perpetuating them into the future? Strider |
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On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 20:46:23 GMT, Jeff Lowe
wrote: SteveF wrote: Gunner!! SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! They need to think Dean is a good pick. With any luck they will give Hillary the nomination in 2008 AND get Feinstein / Schumer to make gun control one of the main party planks for the election. Dean was endorsed by the NRA every time he ran for governor. You are going to have to find a different straw man. Dean, like Hillary, are political chameleons, changing their colors to suit their perception of the political environment. Dean couldn't win in his home state as a gun grabber, so he appeared gun friendly. He's just another Demwit snake and cannot be trusted in the least. Strider |
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On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 19:11:09 GMT, "Tom Gardner"
wrote: "The Party of Hate" OMG!!! (can't say God in public) I belong to no party but you have really hit the nail. I am amazed at the truly vile hatred coming from the left. Isn't it the precursor to violence? I CAN visualize people like Cliffy going "Postal" ...but aren't they anti gun? They are anti YOU having a gun. Strider "Gunner" wrote in message .. . Still more signs the Dems will be a extinct group soon. http://www.gopusa.com/commentary/gue...jm_02141.shtml Gunner, laughing because they simply don't get it. It's better to be a red person in a blue state than a blue person in a red state. As a red person, if your blue neighbors turn into a mob at least you have a gun to protect yourself. As a blue person, your only hope is to appease the red mob with herbal tea and marinated tofu. (Phil Garding) |
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Strider wrote: On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 20:46:23 GMT, Jeff Lowe wrote: SteveF wrote: Gunner!! SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! They need to think Dean is a good pick. With any luck they will give Hillary the nomination in 2008 AND get Feinstein / Schumer to make gun control one of the main party planks for the election. Dean was endorsed by the NRA every time he ran for governor. You are going to have to find a different straw man. Dean, like Hillary, are political chameleons, changing their colors to suit their perception of the political environment. Dean couldn't win in his home state as a gun grabber, so he appeared gun friendly. He's just another Demwit snake and cannot be trusted in the least. Do you have any evidence that Dean wants your guns or are you just passing gas ? -- a d y k e s @ p a n i x . c o m Don't blame me. I voted for Gore. |
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On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 10:21:34 -0700, wrote:
On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 16:40:16 GMT, Gunner wrote: Still more signs the Dems will be a extinct group soon. http://www.gopusa.com/commentary/gue...jm_02141.shtml Gunner, laughing because they simply don't get it. Here brainiac, read this and when you are capable of dealing with the issues let me know (although I won't hold my breath) http://polaris.gseis.ucla.edu/pagre/conservatism.html Hal A blog from UCLA???? Is THAT the best you can do? Presenting piffle as something noteworthy? Geeze man...you could have come up with some spew from MoveOn.org or something.... The basic premis of that blog is fatally flawed from the first word. Traditonally, Conservative means what has become todays Liberal. In the later half of the 19th century through the early years of the 20th, the meanings became reversed. Need the cites? So todays Neo-Liberals are yesterdays conservatives...and visa versa. So when your blog starts spewing about ancient Egypt and so forth...at that point its no longer worth reading the bogus claims and misinformation it spews out like **** from a seagull during an anchovey run. The only thing I could find that had any validity to it..based on the time honored conservative = neo liberal: "The tactics of conservatism vary widely by place and time. But the most central feature of conservatism is deference: a psychologically internalized attitude on the part of the common people that the aristocracy are better people than they are" One only has to look at the "intelligensia" or what is claimed to be one by the neoliberals to see that yes, they do indeed think they are better than anyone else and indeed, they are sadly delusional. The Kennedys, Boxers, Schumers, Kerry's of the Left are perfect examples of mistaken elitist mindsets. Oh..and you of course. Snicker.... Gunner It's better to be a red person in a blue state than a blue person in a red state. As a red person, if your blue neighbors turn into a mob at least you have a gun to protect yourself. As a blue person, your only hope is to appease the red mob with herbal tea and marinated tofu. (Phil Garding) It's better to be a red person in a blue state than a blue person in a red state. As a red person, if your blue neighbors turn into a mob at least you have a gun to protect yourself. As a blue person, your only hope is to appease the red mob with herbal tea and marinated tofu. (Phil Garding) |
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"Gunner" wrote in message
... One only has to look at the "intelligensia" or what is claimed to be one by the neoliberals to see that yes, they do indeed think they are better than anyone else and indeed, they are sadly delusional. It sounds, then, like you think you're better than them, huh? g -- Ed Huntress |
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On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 16:37:18 -0500, "Lefty" wrote:
You'll be extinct too if you keep running that new mig welder of yours on a 100' ungrounded 12 ga extension cord. Talk about 'not getting it'! Is that the best you can come up with Comrade? Chuckle Gunner "Gunner" wrote in message .. . Still more signs the Dems will be a extinct group soon. http://www.gopusa.com/commentary/gue...jm_02141.shtml Gunner, laughing because they simply don't get it. It's better to be a red person in a blue state than a blue person in a red state. As a red person, if your blue neighbors turn into a mob at least you have a gun to protect yourself. As a blue person, your only hope is to appease the red mob with herbal tea and marinated tofu. (Phil Garding) It's better to be a red person in a blue state than a blue person in a red state. As a red person, if your blue neighbors turn into a mob at least you have a gun to protect yourself. As a blue person, your only hope is to appease the red mob with herbal tea and marinated tofu. (Phil Garding) |
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On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 20:26:14 -0500, Strider
wrote: On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 19:11:09 GMT, "Tom Gardner" wrote: "The Party of Hate" OMG!!! (can't say God in public) I belong to no party but you have really hit the nail. I am amazed at the truly vile hatred coming from the left. Isn't it the precursor to violence? I CAN visualize people like Cliffy going "Postal" ...but aren't they anti gun? They are anti YOU having a gun. Strider Remember the Million Mom March anti-gun zealot who shot the person who molested her kid..and put the victim in a wheel chair for life. Only problem was...it was not the perp she fired up. Then there was Sarah Brady herself, buying through a strawman purchase, a deer rifle...er...Deadly Sniper Rifle, for her son. Gunner "Gunner" wrote in message . .. Still more signs the Dems will be a extinct group soon. http://www.gopusa.com/commentary/gue...jm_02141.shtml Gunner, laughing because they simply don't get it. It's better to be a red person in a blue state than a blue person in a red state. As a red person, if your blue neighbors turn into a mob at least you have a gun to protect yourself. As a blue person, your only hope is to appease the red mob with herbal tea and marinated tofu. (Phil Garding) It's better to be a red person in a blue state than a blue person in a red state. As a red person, if your blue neighbors turn into a mob at least you have a gun to protect yourself. As a blue person, your only hope is to appease the red mob with herbal tea and marinated tofu. (Phil Garding) |
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On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 15:59:14 -0700, the inscrutable
spake: On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 22:32:43 GMT, "Wayne Lundberg" wrote: As much as I hate to admit it.... today's Republican representatives we have elected as our voice in Washington have bought in to the spend, spend, spend mania. I hate this as much as I imagine some Democrats hate the Kennedy, Kerry, Edwards and ugh, double ugh, Screaming Dean. Yes, agreed. Both are examples of the old saying "absolute power corrupts absolutely." IMHO. The thing that is different for me, is that liberals want to spend taxpayers money on social programs. conservatives want to keep it with the wealthy and ignore the poor. I feel that a decent society MUST care for their disadvantaged. We can't reduce spending on Medicare and SS when the demand for those programs will be going up. Too many kids don't have adequate food, medical care, and education. This is going to cost us in the long run, and IMHO it's the conservatives who don't care about these things. If the kids aren't educated, fed, and kept healthy on the massively ludicrous amounts of money taken in right now, what do you suppose the problem is, Hal? Hint: Cons &/or Libs = a big ZERO for the public. ---------------------------------- VIRTUE...is its own punishment http://www.diversify.com Website Applications ================================================== |
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... On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 16:40:16 GMT, Gunner wrote: Still more signs the Dems will be a extinct group soon. http://www.gopusa.com/commentary/gue...jm_02141.shtml Gunner, laughing because they simply don't get it. Here brainiac, read this and when you are capable of dealing with the issues let me know (although I won't hold my breath) http://polaris.gseis.ucla.edu/pagre/conservatism.html Hal LOL, The Reason you are losing is because you actually believe all that crap It's all about Individual rights and liberties, something the left is keen on handing too the government for control. I still believe..a lefty is Incapable of Getting it, in that if they DO "get it", it will force them to realize how stupid their position really is, forcing them to become conservatives. in practice, this rarely happens.. they stay left.. beating the same old worn out drums. ****** shu |
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"shu" wrote in message
... It's all about Individual rights and liberties, something the left is keen on handing too the government for control. I think shu is still ****ed off that she can't use peasants for trapshooting targets. d8-) -- Ed Huntress |
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On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 22:44:17 -0500, "Ed Huntress"
wrote: "Gunner" wrote in message .. . One only has to look at the "intelligensia" or what is claimed to be one by the neoliberals to see that yes, they do indeed think they are better than anyone else and indeed, they are sadly delusional. It sounds, then, like you think you're better than them, huh? g Ed....Im no better nor no worse than any other quasi normal human being. Im good at some things, excellent at a very few, and incompentent at millions of things. My **** stinks, I occasionally get BO, and I dont walk on water. On the other hand, you will never find me mandating how you or anyone else should live, or stealing your money or goods or land or liberties. If you want to have sex with a dog, and its not harmful to the dog, help yourself. If you want to marry your Uncle Fud, feel free, just clean up the rice at the wedding. If you want to paint your house like a pychodelic zebra, I would hope you dont color clash, but..shrug..its your house. The only thing I do though..is try to make sure some other son of a bitch doesnt try to force their agendas or goals on me and mine, or steal from me. Unfortunately...when picking politicians at this place in time, I can only vote for those that will steal less then the other guy, or the one that will encroach on my liberties the least. So I DONT vote for liberals, leftists or socialists. Which means the Democrats will never see a vote from me. Pragmatism sometimes is a bitch, but you have to be pragmatic about the things you cannot change immediately. Gunner It's better to be a red person in a blue state than a blue person in a red state. As a red person, if your blue neighbors turn into a mob at least you have a gun to protect yourself. As a blue person, your only hope is to appease the red mob with herbal tea and marinated tofu. (Phil Garding) |
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On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 16:40:16 GMT, Gunner
wrote: Gunner, laughing because they simply don't get it. Cliff, laughing because IE does. It says that the page is full of errors ..... Since when are winger-******s the party of free love? Is it because of the circle jerks? -- Cliff |
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On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 19:53:15 GMT, "Wayne Lundberg"
wrote: In my humble opinion today's liberals represent government as their true God, and today's conservatives want less government Unlike those running record deficits, amost doubling the number of federal employyes in a mere four years, telling untold numbers of blatent lies, checking to see what books you buy or get at the library, shutting down strip clubs & clothing statues in the name of "patriotism", adding almost $20,000 to your debt, raping the consumer protection laws, governing by special interest fees, making the US a world laughing stock, exporting jobs as a top priority (unless they can get Mexicans do do them), looting the Social Security system, keeping Kenny Boy and so many others out of jail, torturing prisoners, abrogating the US Constitution & US Bill of Rights ... Those guys? -- Cliff |
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On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 19:53:15 GMT, "Wayne Lundberg"
wrote: I'm game to continue dialogue if you can stop your personal attacks on my ability to read, etc. Which is a dead giveaway that you are a true-blood liberal as defined as today's liberal Because you were unable to read? -- Cliff |
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On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 00:05:15 GMT, Wayne wrote:
It's not that we don't care, it's that we see the value in work and making it on your own without government. Well, in Iraq they just elected the party of the Socialists to power .... Do YOU exist to serve the government (per the neocons, wingers, "patriots", etc.) or does the government exist for the benefit of the people as a whole, not just the rich & the corporations? -- Cliff |
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On 14 Feb 2005 16:16:14 -0800, "bb" wrote:
The last thing fueling this economy (new housing starts) is totalitarian communism? Bit of a point there if it''s the LAST thing. Whatta goof. Export the jobs. The workers expect too much money for their labor. HTH -- Cliff |
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On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 20:21:01 -0500, Strider
wrote: Have you noticed that, when it comes to social, political, and economic change, those in America that call themselves "liberals" or "progressives" are the one that are obstructing change. Like back to the good old days of massive pollution & the era of the robber barons? Who is it that wants to continue handling the Moslem problem in the same failed manner as for the last 30 years? So freedom of religion is against the grain .... Who is it that refuses to consider changing Social Security, although they themselves admitted it a failed system? What has failed? When? Why? No clues? -- Cliff |
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On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 03:38:55 GMT, Gunner
wrote: The basic premis of that blog is fatally flawed from the first word. "Liberals" would be the word, right? LMAO !!! -- Cliff |
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"Gunner" wrote in message ... On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 20:26:14 -0500, Strider wrote: On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 19:11:09 GMT, "Tom Gardner" wrote: "The Party of Hate" OMG!!! (can't say God in public) I belong to no party but you have really hit the nail. I am amazed at the truly vile hatred coming from the left. Isn't it the precursor to violence? I CAN visualize people like Cliffy going "Postal" ...but aren't they anti gun? They are anti YOU having a gun. Strider Remember the Million Mom March anti-gun zealot who shot the person who molested her kid..and put the victim in a wheel chair for life. Only problem was...it was not the perp she fired up. Then there was Sarah Brady herself, buying through a strawman purchase, a deer rifle...er...Deadly Sniper Rifle, for her son. Gunner And we would be remiss by not recognizing William Raspberry, the liberal, absolutely anti-gun columnist for the Washington Post, who came home one day to find some teenagers had climbed over his fence to take a quick swim in his pool. Thankfully his police officer son had provided him with an illegal handgun for such extreme situations and he manage to wing one of the kids as they were climbing back over the fence. Or Rosie O'Donnell who has no problem with guns as long as its the one carried by her body guard. Or Dianne Feinstein, who as Mayor of San Francisco, issued herself a concealed handgun permit so she could be armed at all times. Or ............ Steve. |
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