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(Fossilized) WHOOLY MAMMOTH;



common name for several extinct species of the elephant family ::

Fossilized Whooly Mammoth had long, curved tusks that reached a length
of about 3 m (about 10.5 ft), and a prominent hump on the back.

Those that lived in cold climates had a shaggy covering of long, thick
hair.

These animals moved northward as the glaciers of the Ice Age receded.

The first Fossilized Whooly Mammoths appeared in Africa during the
early Pliocene Epoch, about 5 million years ago.

The first North American Fossilized Whooly Mammoths migrated across the
Bering Strait from Asia into Alaska during a period of low sea level
about 2 million years ago. By the Beginning of the Pleistocene Epoch,
about 1.6 million years ago, mammoths inhabited North America, Europe,
and Asia.

Scientists believe that most Fossilized Whooly Mammoths had died out
toward the end of the Pleistocene Epoch, about 11,000 years ago,
although scientists have found the remains of dwarf Fossilized Whooly
Mammoths that survived until around 3,700 years ago on Wrangel Island
in the Arctic Ocean.

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:: Open & Moderated Forum for

(Fossilized) WHOOLY MAMMOTH;



common name for several extinct species of the elephant family ::

Fossilized Whooly Mammoth had long, curved tusks that reached a length
of about 3 m (about 10.5 ft), and a prominent hump on the back.

Those that lived in cold climates had a shaggy covering of long, thick
hair.

These animals moved northward as the glaciers of the Ice Age receded.

The first Fossilized Whooly Mammoths appeared in Africa during the
early Pliocene Epoch, about 5 million years ago.

The first North American Fossilized Whooly Mammoths migrated across the
Bering Strait from Asia into Alaska during a period of low sea level
about 2 million years ago. By the Beginning of the Pleistocene Epoch,
about 1.6 million years ago, mammoths inhabited North America, Europe,
and Asia.

Scientists believe that most Fossilized Whooly Mammoths had died out
toward the end of the Pleistocene Epoch, about 11,000 years ago,
although scientists have found the remains of dwarf Fossilized Whooly
Mammoths that survived until around 3,700 years ago on Wrangel Island
in the Arctic Ocean.

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I don't know what prompted that post that to this group. But it seems
everything has a way of connecting to everything else...

I've used my lathe, drillpress and Dremel several times in the last year
when restoring carved ivory "tchatckes" which need a busted off bit of
ivory replaced to make them whole again. Everybody should have at least
one collecting hobby; Mine is carved ivory stuff.

I use mammoth ivory nowadays as it's more PC to do so, and also because
"legal" old raw elephant ivory is damned expensive when it does become
available. Seems like there's a constant supply of dead mammoth's tusks
being dug up in the northern regions, and for some reason the stuff
doesn't get fossilized, but remains carvable ivory.

Jeff

--
Jeffry Wisnia

(W1BSV + Brass Rat '57 EE)

"As long as there are final exams, there will be prayer in public
schools"

And here I always thought they fossilized AFTER they died, not before
they was born. Larn something new every day or so here.


The first Fossilized Whooly Mammoths appeared in Africa during the
early Pliocene Epoch, about 5 million years ago.

The first North American Fossilized Whooly Mammoths migrated across the
Bering Strait from Asia into Alaska during a period of low sea level

jk

Hum - during the on slot of the Ice Age (the current one we are backing out of still)
these Whooly Mammoths migrated south to at least central Texas.

When digging for the foundation of a large bank, a whole heard of Mammoths were found.
The bank was gracious in letting the proper people extract the old ones and later
was presented or paid for - a fully figured skeleton for their lobby.

In the northern reaches of Russia some are surfacing. They were frozen solid as they stood.
Their stomachs were filled with flowers, seeds and grasses. The meat from these beasts
have been eaten for hundreds of years by those that live in the arctic circle.

The only Ivory that is worth working with (not green (like wood)) is Mammoths.
The largest known source was Turkey.

Martin

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:: Open & Moderated Forum for

(Fossilized) WHOOLY MAMMOTH;



common name for several extinct species of the elephant family ::

Fossilized Whooly Mammoth had long, curved tusks that reached a length
of about 3 m (about 10.5 ft), and a prominent hump on the back.

Those that lived in cold climates had a shaggy covering of long, thick
hair.

These animals moved northward as the glaciers of the Ice Age receded.

The first Fossilized Whooly Mammoths appeared in Africa during the
early Pliocene Epoch, about 5 million years ago.

The first North American Fossilized Whooly Mammoths migrated across the
Bering Strait from Asia into Alaska during a period of low sea level
about 2 million years ago. By the Beginning of the Pleistocene Epoch,
about 1.6 million years ago, mammoths inhabited North America, Europe,
and Asia.

Scientists believe that most Fossilized Whooly Mammoths had died out
toward the end of the Pleistocene Epoch, about 11,000 years ago,
although scientists have found the remains of dwarf Fossilized Whooly
Mammoths that survived until around 3,700 years ago on Wrangel Island
in the Arctic Ocean.

And related.............

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wrote:

:: Open & Moderated Forum for

(Fossilized) WHOOLY MAMMOTH;



common name for several extinct species of the elephant family ::

Fossilized Whooly Mammoth had long, curved tusks that reached a length
of about 3 m (about 10.5 ft), and a prominent hump on the back.

Those that lived in cold climates had a shaggy covering of long, thick
hair.

These animals moved northward as the glaciers of the Ice Age receded.

The first Fossilized Whooly Mammoths appeared in Africa during the
early Pliocene Epoch, about 5 million years ago.

The first North American Fossilized Whooly Mammoths migrated across the
Bering Strait from Asia into Alaska during a period of low sea level
about 2 million years ago. By the Beginning of the Pleistocene Epoch,
about 1.6 million years ago, mammoths inhabited North America, Europe,
and Asia.

Scientists believe that most Fossilized Whooly Mammoths had died out
toward the end of the Pleistocene Epoch, about 11,000 years ago,
although scientists have found the remains of dwarf Fossilized Whooly
Mammoths that survived until around 3,700 years ago on Wrangel Island
in the Arctic Ocean.

And related.............

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I don't know what prompted that post that to this group. But it seems
everything has a way of connecting to everything else...

I've used my lathe, drillpress and Dremel several times in the last year
when restoring carved ivory "tchatckes" which need a busted off bit of
ivory replaced to make them whole again. Everybody should have at least
one collecting hobby; Mine is carved ivory stuff.



I use mammoth ivory nowadays as it's more PC to do so, and also because
"legal" old raw elephant ivory is damned expensive when it does become
available. Seems like there's a constant supply of dead mammoth's tusks
being dug up in the northern regions, and for some reason the stuff
doesn't get fossilized, but remains carvable ivory.

Jeff

Jeff, where do you get your carvable Mammouth ivory?
what is the color like?
is it similar to Elephant ivory?

thanks
Qnc

--
Jeffry Wisnia

(W1BSV + Brass Rat '57 EE)

"As long as there are final exams, there will be prayer in public
schools"

Quincy wrote:



Jeff, where do you get your carvable Mammouth ivory?
what is the color like?
is it similar to Elephant ivory?

thanks
Qnc


The last batch I bought came from Boone Trading Post in Washington
state. You can find them on my little page of ivory related links:

http://home.comcast.net/~jwisnia18/t...ory_Links.html

I haven't noticed any difference in the workability of mammoth ivory
compared to elephant ivory, but a Dremel, Fordham or similar high speed
tool sure beats hand carving during the roughing stages.

The colors I've seen range from classic elephant ivory white to an
yellowish tan which I've heard results from long exposure to minerals in
the soil those mammoth tusks have been buried in all those years.

HTH,

Jeff
--
Jeffry Wisnia

(W1BSV + Brass Rat '57 EE)

"As long as there are final exams, there will be prayer in public
schools"

On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 19:20:21 -0500, Jeff Wisnia
wrote:

Quincy wrote:



Jeff, where do you get your carvable Mammouth ivory?
what is the color like?
is it similar to Elephant ivory?

thanks
Qnc


The last batch I bought came from Boone Trading Post in Washington
state. You can find them on my little page of ivory related links:

http://home.comcast.net/~jwisnia18/t...ory_Links.html

I haven't noticed any difference in the workability of mammoth ivory
compared to elephant ivory, but a Dremel, Fordham or similar high speed
tool sure beats hand carving during the roughing stages.

The colors I've seen range from classic elephant ivory white to an
yellowish tan which I've heard results from long exposure to minerals in
the soil those mammoth tusks have been buried in all those years.

HTH,

Jeff

I give up , do you want to talk about this stuff?

I've only seen it , what is it like? Is it oily? Splits like wood?

Web sites and books never seem to go where I want...

How close do teeth, bone, horn, antler, ivory, ect. from different
animals relate to each other in hardness and or grain?

How does ivory grow? Does it hurt the animals to cut it off before
others kill it other than not having what it should? Do elephants
grow them every year? Do porcupines really eat the antlers when they
fall off?

From the sites I've seen so far they seem cheap enough. How many
teeth does a sperm whale have ? 23 , 46 , 60 ?

I've played with rose wood before. Is it close to that?

I could go on... Say if a elephant dies naturally , what percentage
of the tusk is solid ? Does ivory have a really good function other
than decorative except say combs and such before plastic? Is it more
like plastic than wood? Can it be turned easily in a lathe? Can it be
glued together like for a chess board?

ok, I'll stop. Just curious.

Sunworshipper wrote:

On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 19:20:21 -0500, Jeff Wisnia
wrote:


Quincy wrote:



Jeff, where do you get your carvable Mammouth ivory?
what is the color like?
is it similar to Elephant ivory?

thanks
Qnc


The last batch I bought came from Boone Trading Post in Washington
state. You can find them on my little page of ivory related links:

http://home.comcast.net/~jwisnia18/t...ory_Links.html

I haven't noticed any difference in the workability of mammoth ivory
compared to elephant ivory, but a Dremel, Fordham or similar high speed
tool sure beats hand carving during the roughing stages.

The colors I've seen range from classic elephant ivory white to an
yellowish tan which I've heard results from long exposure to minerals in
the soil those mammoth tusks have been buried in all those years.

HTH,

Jeff


I give up , do you want to talk about this stuff?

I've only seen it , what is it like? Is it oily? Splits like wood?

Web sites and books never seem to go where I want...

How close do teeth, bone, horn, antler, ivory, ect. from different
animals relate to each other in hardness and or grain?

How does ivory grow? Does it hurt the animals to cut it off before
others kill it other than not having what it should? Do elephants
grow them every year? Do porcupines really eat the antlers when they
fall off?

From the sites I've seen so far they seem cheap enough. How many
teeth does a sperm whale have ? 23 , 46 , 60 ?

I've played with rose wood before. Is it close to that?

I could go on... Say if a elephant dies naturally , what percentage
of the tusk is solid ? Does ivory have a really good function other
than decorative except say combs and such before plastic? Is it more
like plastic than wood? Can it be turned easily in a lathe? Can it be
glued together like for a chess board?

ok, I'll stop. Just curious.
If it splits like wood it is green ivory like green wood.
You want old old ivory.
Martin

--
Martin Eastburn, Barbara Eastburn
@ home at Lion's Lair with our computer
NRA LOH, NRA Life
NRA Second Amendment Task Force Charter Founder

Sunworshipper wrote:


I've played with rose wood before. Is it close to that?

Not in my opinion...

I could go on... Say if a elephant dies naturally , what percentage
of the tusk is solid ?

There's a cone shaped hole starting at the back of the tusk, roughly
half the tusk diameter at the back end. I'm not sure just how far up the
tusk that hole goes, but about a third of the way up it would be my guess.

Does ivory have a really good function other
than decorative except say combs and such before plastic?

I'm stuck trying to think of one...

Is it more
like plastic than wood?

I don't think it's really much like either. One major difference between
any plastic I've worked with is that ivory will take a lot of heat.
You can jamb a red hot poker against a piece of ivory and it'll scarcely
leave a mark. Most plastics would melt or burn if you try that on them.


Can it be turned easily in a lathe?

Yes, quite nicely.

Can it be
glued together like for a chess board?

Yes, but more likely glued *onto* something like a piece of wooden board.

A lot of pretty large decorative ivory pieces are coming out of China
these days which aren't carved from solid ivory. They are made from lots
of thin pieces of ivory tiled onto a wooden core, with the joints worked
into the decorative carving and engraving on them so they're barely
noticed at a quick glance.

I've seen 4 foot long "tusks" made that way, which must have had more
than a hundred ivory tiles covering them.


ok, I'll stop. Just curious.

Thas OK...As long as your not a cat. G

Jeff


--
Jeffry Wisnia

(W1BSV + Brass Rat '57 EE)

"As long as there are final exams, there will be prayer in public
schools"

On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 11:52:37 -0500, Jeff Wisnia
wrote:

Sunworshipper wrote:


I've played with rose wood before. Is it close to that?

Not in my opinion...

I could go on... Say if a elephant dies naturally , what percentage
of the tusk is solid ?

There's a cone shaped hole starting at the back of the tusk, roughly
half the tusk diameter at the back end. I'm not sure just how far up the
tusk that hole goes, but about a third of the way up it would be my guess.

Does ivory have a really good function other
than decorative except say combs and such before plastic?

I'm stuck trying to think of one...

Is it more
like plastic than wood?

I don't think it's really much like either. One major difference between
any plastic I've worked with is that ivory will take a lot of heat.
You can jamb a red hot poker against a piece of ivory and it'll scarcely
leave a mark. Most plastics would melt or burn if you try that on them.


Can it be turned easily in a lathe?

Yes, quite nicely.

Can it be
glued together like for a chess board?

Yes, but more likely glued *onto* something like a piece of wooden board.

A lot of pretty large decorative ivory pieces are coming out of China
these days which aren't carved from solid ivory. They are made from lots
of thin pieces of ivory tiled onto a wooden core, with the joints worked
into the decorative carving and engraving on them so they're barely
noticed at a quick glance.

I've seen 4 foot long "tusks" made that way, which must have had more
than a hundred ivory tiles covering them.


ok, I'll stop. Just curious.

Thas OK...As long as your not a cat. G

Jeff

Cats? The only pet that I bought was fish.

You where mentioning collection. I've had a number of kinds and they
always got ripped, so I gave up. Even the matches ! & pictures.

Thanks that will do. For now.

But, one would think that if driven towards extinction that knowledge
of the species would be known.

I'm still trying to guess how much it would cost (in reality) to make
rough chess figures with al & copper (or other color combinations) on
a CNC. An hour? 7mins.?
I've thought of doing it manually , but it would be cool to have the
rough parts to customize yourself at your leisure while still being
able to play.
With myself of course , but I have an idea and not a set to check it
out on. like +- or -+ and ) I...
Last time I tried an online chess thing, the opponent lied of his
skill.

Jeff Wisnia wrote:

Sunworshipper wrote:


I've played with rose wood before. Is it close to that?


Not in my opinion...


I could go on... Say if a elephant dies naturally , what percentage
of the tusk is solid ?


There's a cone shaped hole starting at the back of the tusk, roughly
half the tusk diameter at the back end. I'm not sure just how far up the
tusk that hole goes, but about a third of the way up it would be my guess.

Does ivory have a really good function other

than decorative except say combs and such before plastic?


I'm stuck trying to think of one...

Is it more

like plastic than wood?


I don't think it's really much like either. One major difference between
any plastic I've worked with is that ivory will take a lot of heat. You
can jamb a red hot poker against a piece of ivory and it'll scarcely
leave a mark. Most plastics would melt or burn if you try that on them.


Can it be turned easily in a lathe?

Yes, quite nicely.

Can it be

glued together like for a chess board?


Yes, but more likely glued *onto* something like a piece of wooden board.

A lot of pretty large decorative ivory pieces are coming out of China
these days which aren't carved from solid ivory. They are made from lots
of thin pieces of ivory tiled onto a wooden core, with the joints worked
into the decorative carving and engraving on them so they're barely
noticed at a quick glance.

I've seen 4 foot long "tusks" made that way, which must have had more
than a hundred ivory tiles covering them.


ok, I'll stop. Just curious.


Thas OK...As long as your not a cat. G

Jeff


Pistol Grips. Only Pimps use pearl grips :-) 'Patton' :-)

Knife handles. Tool stuff. Beautiful jewelry also.

Martin

--
Martin Eastburn, Barbara Eastburn
@ home at Lion's Lair with our computer
NRA LOH, NRA Life
NRA Second Amendment Task Force Charter Founder

Sunworshipper wrote:

Do porcupines really eat the antlers when they
fall off?

Yep! Them and the mice eat antlers. Apparently for the calcium content.

Cheers
Trevor Jones

thanks for the info

Qnc

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Quincy wrote:



Jeff, where do you get your carvable Mammouth ivory?
what is the color like?
is it similar to Elephant ivory?

thanks
Qnc


The last batch I bought came from Boone Trading Post in Washington
state. You can find them on my little page of ivory related links:

http://home.comcast.net/~jwisnia18/t...ory_Links.html

I haven't noticed any difference in the workability of mammoth ivory
compared to elephant ivory, but a Dremel, Fordham or similar high speed
tool sure beats hand carving during the roughing stages.

The colors I've seen range from classic elephant ivory white to an
yellowish tan which I've heard results from long exposure to minerals in
the soil those mammoth tusks have been buried in all those years.

HTH,

Jeff
--
Jeffry Wisnia

(W1BSV + Brass Rat '57 EE)

"As long as there are final exams, there will be prayer in public
schools"