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Grant Erwin
 
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Default parts washer solvent?

I have a Graymills drum-mounted parts washer. Last time it needed solvent
I plunked down something like $75 for 10 gallons of Super Agitene at Grainger.
NFW I'm going to do that again. It's time to clean it out and put in new
solvent, and I'm looking for something I can homebrew or buy cheaply,
ideally locally. I know that NAPA stores carry stuff called "Solvent" in
one-gallon bottles but that stuff is brown and sort of nasty. That's what
I used to use in my old 4-gallon import, and I didn't like it.

I know I'm not the only one on this NG with a parts washer. What do you use?

GWE
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JR North
 
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HF has solvent for their parts washers. Haven't tried it...you could
check the Everett store and sniff some- it's pink if I remember correctly
JR
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Grant Erwin wrote:

I have a Graymills drum-mounted parts washer. Last time it needed solvent
I plunked down something like $75 for 10 gallons of Super Agitene at
Grainger.
NFW I'm going to do that again. It's time to clean it out and put in new
solvent, and I'm looking for something I can homebrew or buy cheaply,
ideally locally. I know that NAPA stores carry stuff called "Solvent" in
one-gallon bottles but that stuff is brown and sort of nasty. That's what
I used to use in my old 4-gallon import, and I didn't like it.

I know I'm not the only one on this NG with a parts washer. What do you
use?

GWE



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I use paint thinner. Cheap, and started using this after asking the
same question as you did of another group.

"Grant Erwin" wrote in message
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| I have a Graymills drum-mounted parts washer. Last time it needed solvent
| I plunked down something like $75 for 10 gallons of Super Agitene at
Grainger.
| NFW I'm going to do that again. It's time to clean it out and put in new
| solvent, and I'm looking for something I can homebrew or buy cheaply,
| ideally locally. I know that NAPA stores carry stuff called "Solvent" in
| one-gallon bottles but that stuff is brown and sort of nasty. That's what
| I used to use in my old 4-gallon import, and I didn't like it.
|
| I know I'm not the only one on this NG with a parts washer. What do you
use?
|
| GWE

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Peter Grey
 
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I've always used mineral spirits with some ATF mixed in. The ATF seemed to
make it a little easier on the hands, although these days I use gloves more
often than not.

Peter
"Grant Erwin" wrote in message
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I have a Graymills drum-mounted parts washer. Last time it needed solvent
I plunked down something like $75 for 10 gallons of Super Agitene at
Grainger.
NFW I'm going to do that again. It's time to clean it out and put in new
solvent, and I'm looking for something I can homebrew or buy cheaply,
ideally locally. I know that NAPA stores carry stuff called "Solvent" in
one-gallon bottles but that stuff is brown and sort of nasty. That's what
I used to use in my old 4-gallon import, and I didn't like it.

I know I'm not the only one on this NG with a parts washer. What do you
use?

GWE



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Harold & Susan Vordos
 
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"DanG" wrote in message
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Stoddard solvent is the official name. It smells, feels, and acts
just like mineral spirits paint thinner to me.


Yep! That's exactly what the "big boys" use, assuming they're using a
hydrocarbon solvent. Anyone notice one thing about the name? Solvent?
It truly is one, not a thin oil. If you let parts drip dry, they are free
of oil, assuming your final wash is with oil free solvent. I *never*
use anything aside from mineral spirits or Stoddard for cleaning. The use
of kerosene or diesel makes no sense. Neither of them are intended to be
used as a solvent, nor do they clean as well as solvents do. Further, can't
stand the smell. Stoddard or mineral spirits are each much easier on the
nose. In the end, if you have no way to dispose of them when they're fully
contaminated, all you have to do is set them outdoors and allow the solvent
to evaporate. Leaves you with very little sludge to dispose of.

Does anyone need to say anything about *not* using gasoline? Great way
to reduce the family gene pool..

Harold


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Aaron Anderson
 
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Hello Grant, I just replaced the solvent in mine i get it at kovitch
William's in ballard 235(i think) cleaning solvent less than 20 dollars
for five gallons the real stuff, smells just like the stuff you would
see at a repair shop.

Grant Erwin wrote:
I have a Graymills drum-mounted parts washer. Last time it needed solvent
I plunked down something like $75 for 10 gallons of Super Agitene at
Grainger.
NFW I'm going to do that again. It's time to clean it out and put in new
solvent, and I'm looking for something I can homebrew or buy cheaply,
ideally locally. I know that NAPA stores carry stuff called "Solvent" in
one-gallon bottles but that stuff is brown and sort of nasty. That's what
I used to use in my old 4-gallon import, and I didn't like it.

I know I'm not the only one on this NG with a parts washer. What do you
use?

GWE


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"DanG" wrote in message
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Stoddard solvent is the official name. It smells, feels, and acts just
like mineral spirits paint thinner to me.



Pay a visit to your local petroleum distributor and you'll likely see a huge
tank labeled mineral spirits. From this one tank they will fill drums
labeled mineral spirits, paint thinner, solvent.




"carl mciver" wrote in message
ink.net...
I use paint thinner. Cheap, and started using this after asking the
same question as you did of another group.

"Grant Erwin" wrote in message
...
| I have a Graymills drum-mounted parts washer. Last time it needed
solvent
| I plunked down something like $75 for 10 gallons of Super Agitene at
Grainger.
| NFW I'm going to do that again. It's time to clean it out and put in
new
| solvent, and I'm looking for something I can homebrew or buy cheaply,
| ideally locally. I know that NAPA stores carry stuff called "Solvent"
in
| one-gallon bottles but that stuff is brown and sort of nasty. That's
what
| I used to use in my old 4-gallon import, and I didn't like it.
|
| I know I'm not the only one on this NG with a parts washer. What do you
use?
|
| GWE





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Tim Killian
 
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We use a 80/20 mix of Simple Green Crystal (aqueous cleaner) and
Kool-Mist 77 (aqueous cutting fluid), diluted 8:1 with water. Cleans
great, doesn't burn or smell, and when you're done with it, just dump it
down the drain.



Stoddard solvent is the official name. It smells, feels, and acts just
like mineral spirits paint thinner to me.




Pay a visit to your local petroleum distributor and you'll likely see a huge
tank labeled mineral spirits. From this one tank they will fill drums
labeled mineral spirits, paint thinner, solvent.




"carl mciver" wrote in message
hlink.net...

I use paint thinner. Cheap, and started using this after asking the
same question as you did of another group.

"Grant Erwin" wrote in message
...
| I have a Graymills drum-mounted parts washer. Last time it needed
solvent
| I plunked down something like $75 for 10 gallons of Super Agitene at
Grainger.
| NFW I'm going to do that again. It's time to clean it out and put in
new
| solvent, and I'm looking for something I can homebrew or buy cheaply,
| ideally locally. I know that NAPA stores carry stuff called "Solvent"
in
| one-gallon bottles but that stuff is brown and sort of nasty. That's
what
| I used to use in my old 4-gallon import, and I didn't like it.
|
| I know I'm not the only one on this NG with a parts washer. What do you
use?
|
| GWE






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On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 12:10:32 -0800, "John Kunkel"
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"DanG" wrote in message
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Stoddard solvent is the official name. It smells, feels, and acts just
like mineral spirits paint thinner to me.



Pay a visit to your local petroleum distributor and you'll likely see a huge
tank labeled mineral spirits. From this one tank they will fill drums
labeled mineral spirits, paint thinner, solvent.



No I won't.......

http://www.christianpayne.com/rossoil/

Mark Rand
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Tom Gardner
 
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OK, don't laugh. I have tried: Kerosene, Stoddard, diesel,
Tri-cholosomething 111, and the best all-around is automatic dishwasher
detergent. I get it from a food-supply house CHEAP! My tank is heated and
pumped so I just come back later.


"Grant Erwin" wrote in message
...
I have a Graymills drum-mounted parts washer. Last time it needed solvent
I plunked down something like $75 for 10 gallons of Super Agitene at
Grainger.
NFW I'm going to do that again. It's time to clean it out and put in new
solvent, and I'm looking for something I can homebrew or buy cheaply,
ideally locally. I know that NAPA stores carry stuff called "Solvent" in
one-gallon bottles but that stuff is brown and sort of nasty. That's what
I used to use in my old 4-gallon import, and I didn't like it.

I know I'm not the only one on this NG with a parts washer. What do you
use?

GWE



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Grant Erwin
 
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I'm having trouble finding *anything* cheap. My target price is $1/gal.
Some of the paint supply places in my area want over $12 a gallon for
paint thinner!

On another note, I see that Grainger's "Super Agitene" brand is 97%
aliphatic petroleum spirits, in other words paint thinner, in other
words mineral spirits, in other words Stoddard solvent.

By the way, I have *never* seen "Stoddard solvent" for sale. I'm sure
I could find it online. I heard "it's stocked up in Canada" so one time
when I was up there I tried a hardware store and a paint store. Nothing
but blank looks.

Anyone actually know of a real source for paint thinner/mineral spirits
in the Seattle/Eastside area that's cheap? I don't need another $15 price
on 2.5 gallons, thanks.

Grant

Tom Gardner wrote:
OK, don't laugh. I have tried: Kerosene, Stoddard, diesel,
Tri-cholosomething 111, and the best all-around is automatic dishwasher
detergent. I get it from a food-supply house CHEAP! My tank is heated and
pumped so I just come back later.


"Grant Erwin" wrote in message
...

I have a Graymills drum-mounted parts washer. Last time it needed solvent
I plunked down something like $75 for 10 gallons of Super Agitene at
Grainger.
NFW I'm going to do that again. It's time to clean it out and put in new
solvent, and I'm looking for something I can homebrew or buy cheaply,
ideally locally. I know that NAPA stores carry stuff called "Solvent" in
one-gallon bottles but that stuff is brown and sort of nasty. That's what
I used to use in my old 4-gallon import, and I didn't like it.

I know I'm not the only one on this NG with a parts washer. What do you
use?

GWE




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Tony
 
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I dont know how your gonna find anything petroleum based for $1 gal,
considering where the current prices are for all petroleum distilates i.e.
gasoline, diesel, heating oil, kero.

An interesting thought, Bio diesel has some extreme solvent properties. So
much so that it can cause pump seals to swell. Because of this it's blended
at 20% B20 with diesel or heating oil depending on the purpose. Now if one
was to use B100 (100% Bio), it might do a very good job in a parts washer,
be alot cheaper that Grainger, safe to use, and pleasant smelling.

Tony
"Grant Erwin" wrote in message
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I'm having trouble finding *anything* cheap. My target price is $1/gal.
Some of the paint supply places in my area want over $12 a gallon for
paint thinner!

On another note, I see that Grainger's "Super Agitene" brand is 97%
aliphatic petroleum spirits, in other words paint thinner, in other
words mineral spirits, in other words Stoddard solvent.

By the way, I have *never* seen "Stoddard solvent" for sale. I'm sure
I could find it online. I heard "it's stocked up in Canada" so one time
when I was up there I tried a hardware store and a paint store. Nothing
but blank looks.

Anyone actually know of a real source for paint thinner/mineral spirits
in the Seattle/Eastside area that's cheap? I don't need another $15 price
on 2.5 gallons, thanks.

Grant

Tom Gardner wrote:
OK, don't laugh. I have tried: Kerosene, Stoddard, diesel,
Tri-cholosomething 111, and the best all-around is automatic dishwasher
detergent. I get it from a food-supply house CHEAP! My tank is heated

and
pumped so I just come back later.


"Grant Erwin" wrote in message
...

I have a Graymills drum-mounted parts washer. Last time it needed

solvent
I plunked down something like $75 for 10 gallons of Super Agitene at
Grainger.
NFW I'm going to do that again. It's time to clean it out and put in new
solvent, and I'm looking for something I can homebrew or buy cheaply,
ideally locally. I know that NAPA stores carry stuff called "Solvent" in
one-gallon bottles but that stuff is brown and sort of nasty. That's

what
I used to use in my old 4-gallon import, and I didn't like it.

I know I'm not the only one on this NG with a parts washer. What do you
use?

GWE






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"Grant Erwin" wrote in message
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I'm having trouble finding *anything* cheap. My target price is $1/gal.
Some of the paint supply places in my area want over $12 a gallon for
paint thinner!

On another note, I see that Grainger's "Super Agitene" brand is 97%
aliphatic petroleum spirits, in other words paint thinner, in other
words mineral spirits, in other words Stoddard solvent.

By the way, I have *never* seen "Stoddard solvent" for sale. I'm sure
I could find it online. I heard "it's stocked up in Canada" so one time
when I was up there I tried a hardware store and a paint store. Nothing
but blank looks.

Anyone actually know of a real source for paint thinner/mineral spirits
in the Seattle/Eastside area that's cheap? I don't need another $15 price
on 2.5 gallons, thanks.

Grant


I buy stanisol, or mineral spirits at a local oil supplier. Last I paid was
$3 a gallon about a year ago.
Good luck getting it for less!
Sometimes I have seen paint thinner, mineral spirits for a dollar or so on
sale at one of the chain home stores.
Greg


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"Greg O" wrote in message
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snip----
Sometimes I have seen paint thinner, mineral spirits for a dollar or so on
sale at one of the chain home stores.
Greg

I was paying $2/gallon routinely until the oil market went ballistic.
Don't have any idea what they're asking now. I bought 10 gallons, so I
still have a little left.

Harold




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On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 19:32:45 -0800, "Harold & Susan Vordos"
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"Greg O" wrote in message
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snip----
Sometimes I have seen paint thinner, mineral spirits for a dollar or so on
sale at one of the chain home stores.
Greg

I was paying $2/gallon routinely until the oil market went ballistic.
Don't have any idea what they're asking now. I bought 10 gallons, so I
still have a little left.


The last I bought about 6 months ago was $2 but it may of gone up
since then. Then again they've got a pretty good sized tank of it and
I doubt they sell that much. If they've had to refill I bet it'll be
higher.


Wayne Cook
Shamrock, TX
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I've used "Solvent 365" from Tarr, Inc. in Auburn, WA 253-859-2979, they're
in the phone book. It's a petro solvent, can says it contains naptha, no
detail other than that.
They have other stuff available, if I remember, it wasn't that cheap, but I
don't use that much. Give them a call and ask what they might have that
meets your needs.
If I didn't still have old stock on hand, for a little while anyway, I'd
consider an odorless product, like odorless mineral spirits, that is sure
nice to use, but then I can't stand the smell of mineral spirits for some
reason.
Another thought, is Don Small & Sons in Auburn, 253-833-0430. They deal in
just about all types of oils and lubes, race gas, home heating oil, etc.
Check with them, they might have something.
nic


"Harold & Susan Vordos" wrote in message
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"Greg O" wrote in message
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snip----
Sometimes I have seen paint thinner, mineral spirits for a dollar or so
on
sale at one of the chain home stores.
Greg

I was paying $2/gallon routinely until the oil market went ballistic.
Don't have any idea what they're asking now. I bought 10 gallons, so I
still have a little left.

Harold




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"Tom Gardner" wrote in message
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OK, don't laugh. I have tried: Kerosene, Stoddard, diesel,
Tri-cholosomething 111, and the best all-around is automatic dishwasher
detergent. I get it from a food-supply house CHEAP! My tank is heated

and
pumped so I just come back later.


We used to have an "Ozzy Juice" parts washer which didn't work too bad. We
also used Stoddard for testing mechanical fuel pumps...


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Grant Erwin wrote:
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Anyone actually know of a real source for paint thinner/mineral spirits
in the Seattle/Eastside area that's cheap? ...


Paint thinner has a standard sale price of $1.99/gal (around here,
anyhow). Amazingly, it has had that sale price for at least 14 YEARS!
Through all the oil price gyrations, paint thinner goes on sale for
$1.99. Bob
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"John Kunkel" wrote:
"DanG" wrote:
Stoddard solvent is the official name. It smells, feels, and acts just
like mineral spirits paint thinner to me.



Pay a visit to your local petroleum distributor and you'll likely see a

huge
tank labeled mineral spirits. From this one tank they will fill drums
labeled mineral spirits, paint thinner, solvent.


BBQ lighter fluid also; using mineral spirits saves a ton of $$$ when
compared with buying the _same_ product with a label that says "Briquette
lighter fluid".

Jon



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BBQ lighter fluid also; using mineral spirits saves a ton of $$$ when
compared with buying the _same_ product with a label that says "Briquette
lighter fluid".


Last time I looked, lighter fluid contained naptha.
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On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 00:26:27 GMT, "Tom Gardner"
wrote:

OK, don't laugh. I have tried: Kerosene, Stoddard, diesel,
Tri-cholosomething 111, and the best all-around is automatic dishwasher
detergent. I get it from a food-supply house CHEAP! My tank is heated and
pumped so I just come back later.


Lots of my production shops use heated parts washers and similar soap,
with a final rinse before the parts go into the boxes for shipment.
Seems to work fine. I use SafetyKleen in my parts washer, but then..I
have a buddy who has a buddy.....

Gunner



"Grant Erwin" wrote in message
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I have a Graymills drum-mounted parts washer. Last time it needed solvent
I plunked down something like $75 for 10 gallons of Super Agitene at
Grainger.
NFW I'm going to do that again. It's time to clean it out and put in new
solvent, and I'm looking for something I can homebrew or buy cheaply,
ideally locally. I know that NAPA stores carry stuff called "Solvent" in
one-gallon bottles but that stuff is brown and sort of nasty. That's what
I used to use in my old 4-gallon import, and I didn't like it.

I know I'm not the only one on this NG with a parts washer. What do you
use?

GWE



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