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[email protected] January 1st 05 08:06 PM

Update on Mystery Bolt from Clausing 8540
 
I took the fastener off of the Clausing 8540 over arm and it is
actually a nut and not a bolt. It looks to be either a 1/2-13 or 5/8-11
thread and the top of the nut looks like a SHCS. However, the internal
pattern looks exactly like the inside of a 12 point socket. I have no
idea what this nut is called or where to find the appropriate bit or
key to remove it properly. Any suggestions would be greatly
appreciated. Thanks, Steve


DoN. Nichols January 1st 05 08:30 PM

In article . com,
wrote:
I took the fastener off of the Clausing 8540 over arm and it is
actually a nut and not a bolt. It looks to be either a 1/2-13 or 5/8-11
thread and the top of the nut looks like a SHCS. However, the internal
pattern looks exactly like the inside of a 12 point socket. I have no
idea what this nut is called or where to find the appropriate bit or
key to remove it properly. Any suggestions would be greatly
appreciated. Thanks, Steve


Have you *tried* using Allen keys in it? It may simply be
designed so you have more options of how to orient the Allen key.

Good Luck,
DoN.
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[email protected] January 1st 05 08:58 PM


DoN. Nichols wrote:
In article . com,
wrote:
I took the fastener off of the Clausing 8540 over arm and it is
actually a nut and not a bolt. It looks to be either a 1/2-13 or

5/8-11
thread and the top of the nut looks like a SHCS. However, the

internal
pattern looks exactly like the inside of a 12 point socket. I have

no
idea what this nut is called or where to find the appropriate bit or
key to remove it properly. Any suggestions would be greatly
appreciated. Thanks, Steve


Have you *tried* using Allen keys in it? It may simply be
designed so you have more options of how to orient the Allen key.

Good Luck,
DoN.
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That has crossed my mind and I am going to try that, however I do not
think that is the case. Right now I do not have an allen wrench big
enough for the nut. I would say it will take an Allen wrench at least a
1/2" across. Thanks, Steve


Ned Simmons January 1st 05 09:09 PM

In article . com,
says...
I took the fastener off of the Clausing 8540 over arm and it is
actually a nut and not a bolt. It looks to be either a 1/2-13 or 5/8-11
thread and the top of the nut looks like a SHCS. However, the internal
pattern looks exactly like the inside of a 12 point socket. I have no
idea what this nut is called or where to find the appropriate bit or
key to remove it properly. Any suggestions would be greatly
appreciated. Thanks, Steve


It's an Allenut...

http://www.mjvail.com/holokrome/dd_allenuts.html

A regular hex key will fit.

Ned Simmons

Winston January 1st 05 09:27 PM

Tom wrote:
wrote:

DoN. Nichols wrote:

In article . com,
wrote:

I took the fastener off of the Clausing 8540 over arm and it is
actually a nut and not a bolt. It looks to be either a 1/2-13 or

(...)

Try a 5/15" bolt


The head of a 5/16" bolt might be a better fit and cheaper, too.

--Winston


Richard J Kinch January 1st 05 10:02 PM

writes:

I took the fastener off of the Clausing 8540 over arm and it is
actually a nut and not a bolt. It looks to be either a 1/2-13 or 5/8-11
thread and the top of the nut looks like a SHCS.


You need a 1/2" hex wrench, rather hard to find.

Harbor Freight has a long set in a metal box containing this size.

http://www.truetex.com/moveclausing.htm

Gunner January 1st 05 10:16 PM

On 1 Jan 2005 12:06:31 -0800, wrote:

I took the fastener off of the Clausing 8540 over arm and it is
actually a nut and not a bolt. It looks to be either a 1/2-13 or 5/8-11
thread and the top of the nut looks like a SHCS. However, the internal
pattern looks exactly like the inside of a 12 point socket. I have no
idea what this nut is called or where to find the appropriate bit or
key to remove it properly. Any suggestions would be greatly
appreciated. Thanks, Steve


Ill be damned. Thats a "star" fastener. Have you tried an allen
wrench in it? Often times they will fit, the same way a 12pt socket
fits a hex nut.

Gunner

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which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight,
nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being
free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself."
- John Stewart Mill

Gunner January 1st 05 10:20 PM

On 1 Jan 2005 12:58:04 -0800, wrote:


DoN. Nichols wrote:
In article . com,
wrote:
I took the fastener off of the Clausing 8540 over arm and it is
actually a nut and not a bolt. It looks to be either a 1/2-13 or

5/8-11
thread and the top of the nut looks like a SHCS. However, the

internal
pattern looks exactly like the inside of a 12 point socket. I have

no
idea what this nut is called or where to find the appropriate bit or
key to remove it properly. Any suggestions would be greatly
appreciated. Thanks, Steve


Have you *tried* using Allen keys in it? It may simply be
designed so you have more options of how to orient the Allen key.

Good Luck,
DoN.
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That has crossed my mind and I am going to try that, however I do not
think that is the case. Right now I do not have an allen wrench big
enough for the nut. I would say it will take an Allen wrench at least a
1/2" across. Thanks, Steve


1/2" it is, at least on mine..hummmmm

Pause.....

pant pant..back now..

I just went out and checked mine and its just like yours and yes, a
1/2" allen fits. Id never noticed mine before being this way, as the
allen always fit just fine. If you are short an allen wrench, simply
stack a couple nuts on the appropriat sized hex bolt, and use them to
turn the head of the hexbolt, which is inserted into the fastener.
Sometimes a tiny tackweld will keep em together if its really tight.

Gunner

"War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling
which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight,
nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being
free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself."
- John Stewart Mill

Gunner January 1st 05 10:22 PM

On Sat, 1 Jan 2005 16:09:59 -0500, Ned Simmons
wrote:

In article . com,
says...
I took the fastener off of the Clausing 8540 over arm and it is
actually a nut and not a bolt. It looks to be either a 1/2-13 or 5/8-11
thread and the top of the nut looks like a SHCS. However, the internal
pattern looks exactly like the inside of a 12 point socket. I have no
idea what this nut is called or where to find the appropriate bit or
key to remove it properly. Any suggestions would be greatly
appreciated. Thanks, Steve


It's an Allenut...

http://www.mjvail.com/holokrome/dd_allenuts.html

A regular hex key will fit.

Ned Simmons


Ill be damned. Thanks Ned! First time Ive paid much attention to
those.

Gunner

"War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling
which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight,
nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being
free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself."
- John Stewart Mill

[email protected] January 2nd 05 12:18 AM

That's it Ned...Thanks -Steve


Michelle P January 2nd 05 12:23 AM

It sounds like a spline drive. A Allen will only round it out. We use
Spline type in aviation.
Michelle

wrote:

I took the fastener off of the Clausing 8540 over arm and it is
actually a nut and not a bolt. It looks to be either a 1/2-13 or 5/8-11
thread and the top of the nut looks like a SHCS. However, the internal
pattern looks exactly like the inside of a 12 point socket. I have no
idea what this nut is called or where to find the appropriate bit or
key to remove it properly. Any suggestions would be greatly
appreciated. Thanks, Steve





john January 2nd 05 03:41 AM



wrote:

I took the fastener off of the Clausing 8540 over arm and it is
actually a nut and not a bolt. It looks to be either a 1/2-13 or 5/8-11
thread and the top of the nut looks like a SHCS. However, the internal
pattern looks exactly like the inside of a 12 point socket. I have no
idea what this nut is called or where to find the appropriate bit or
key to remove it properly. Any suggestions would be greatly
appreciated. Thanks, Steve




Get a twelve point bolt and screw on an double set of nuts. Invert the
bolt and put a wrench on the nuts. YOu could tack weld the nuts if the
slip. THose type of nuts are used where minumum clearance for a wrench
is available and maximum strength is required.
The are commonly used in aircraft as well as other applications. An
allen wrench should fit the nut too but it is only driving on six points
and may slip. I believe I have some twelve point drivers for them but
nothing as big as 1/2 inch.

John

jim rozen January 2nd 05 04:32 AM

In article . com,
says...

key to remove it properly. Any suggestions would be greatly
appreciated. Thanks, Steve



ITS PROBABLY A SPINE FASTENER. YOU CAN GET THOSE TOOLS
AT SEARS LIKE I SAID BEFORE.

GO TO SEARS AND LOOK IN THEIR AUTOMOTIVE TOOLS SECTION.

THEY PROBABLY HAVE WHAT YOU NEED.

Jim


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Tom January 2nd 05 06:01 PM

wrote:

DoN. Nichols wrote:
In article . com,
wrote:
I took the fastener off of the Clausing 8540 over arm and it is
actually a nut and not a bolt. It looks to be either a 1/2-13 or

5/8-11
thread and the top of the nut looks like a SHCS. However, the

internal
pattern looks exactly like the inside of a 12 point socket. I have

no
idea what this nut is called or where to find the appropriate bit or
key to remove it properly. Any suggestions would be greatly
appreciated. Thanks, Steve


Have you *tried* using Allen keys in it? It may simply be
designed so you have more options of how to orient the Allen key.

Good Luck,
DoN.
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That has crossed my mind and I am going to try that, however I do not
think that is the case. Right now I do not have an allen wrench big
enough for the nut. I would say it will take an Allen wrench at least a
1/2" across. Thanks, Steve


Try a 5/15" bolt


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