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Lennie, I've never seen a particular reason for high-cap mags, but I've never seen any problem with them either. Main purpose is to supply a full-auto weapon, which isn't legal anyway. A semi-auto rifle with a low-capacity fixed magazine can be reloaded very quickly with stripper clips, like they have been for 100 years. Just a few seconds. Unless the shooter is running full tilt it usually isn't a big deal to push in another 5 or 10 round stripper. As far as legalities in the woods, at least in the places I know it's not legal to hunt with a magazine over 5 rounds. Just for practical reasons I don't think I'd drag around a long, snaggy magazine going through brush. GTO(John) |
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On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 21:30:00 -0800, "Phillep"
wrote: "Gunner" wrote If it had a 20 round detachable Magazine, it wasnt an SKS. Not so. There was also a modified SKS availible back around 1990 that would take standard AK mags. I wish I'd gotten one back then. Read what you wrote. Modified. Once its modified, its no longer a stock SKS, correct? Also, there's a type of magazine I think of as a "duckbill", it looks sort of like a normal magazine with a "beak" stuck out the front. The mouth of the beak fits on the catch pin in front and the latch holds it in place in back. They were made in 5, 10, and 20 cartridge models. Easily removed, but I don't think it's counted as a "removable" because you have to hold the bolt back. (I haven't messed with an SKS for a while, so don't really remember.) The SKS is not modified. These magazines were availible in both metal and Zytel. The plastic ones sucked (I got one.) Google rec.guns, SKS +"AK magazine" 27 hits. Correct. And the addition of such no longer made it an SKS. It made it a modified SKS. It changed the design parameters drasticly. Gunner Come shed a tear for Michael Moore- Though he smirked and lied like a two-bit whore George Bush has just won another four. Poor, sad little Michael Moore Diogenes |
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On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 08:20:55 -0800, 'Captain' Kirk DeHaan
wrote: Ignore the fact of thousands of owners with guns with high capacity mags that never commit a crime. Neither do the many, many millions of people riding about in aircraft each year ..... -- Cliff |
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On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 08:12:37 -0800, 'Captain' Kirk DeHaan
wrote: On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 04:31:29 GMT, Gunner wrote: On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 15:26:04 -0800, "Phillep" wrote: "Lennie the Lurker" wrote Check the news, six people killed in Wisconsin by a kook with a 20 round magazine in an assault rifle clone. What do you think it's a clone of? The Russians designed it right after WWII, the idea was drawn from a German rifle, but that's about it. Had the laws not been changed to allow this idocy, maybe there wouldn't have been so many. Has the law in fact been changed? Got a cite on that? If it had a 20 round detachable Magazine, it wasnt an SKS. Hmmm. I've got an SKS with a 30 round detachable mag. Go figure. You have the similar SKS Sporter. Thats illegal in California, and IRRC, was on the List of banned for import "assault weapons" Gunner Come shed a tear for Michael Moore- Though he smirked and lied like a two-bit whore George Bush has just won another four. Poor, sad little Michael Moore Diogenes |
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"Cliff" wrote in message
... On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 01:03:19 -0500, "Ed Huntress" wrote: But Gunner is not correct that the FBI tracks this data. Just more of his BS, eh? Looks like the pond thawed. It's a common mistake. People like Josh Sugarmann were very successful in muddying the waters over this whole issue. You can go back to the major newspaper and TV stories of the time and find references that say, "according to the FBI's Uniform Crime Reports," and then, in the same article, they say "BATF says..." The truth is, they don't know where the data came from. They didn't look. They read PR handouts from HCI and the FOP...which were complete bull****. Once again, trust no second-hand figures. Go to the source, or risk being made a patsy by somebody with an agenda. Ed Huntress |
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"Cliff" wrote in message
... On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 01:03:19 -0500, "Ed Huntress" wrote: anything that looks like a machine gun is assumed to be a machine gun How many kids with toy plastic guns have the police shot over the years? All in self defense ..... I don't know. Why don't you go look? Ed Huntress |
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"Cliff" wrote in message
... On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 01:03:19 -0500, "Ed Huntress" wrote: nutballs, and murderers love 'dem big magazines. How would that ever be a problem were they, per statements, never used? As I said, they create an image problem, and a real problem. The real problem is that they make for dramatic stories that wind up totally dissembling the facts about guns and crime...such as the story about the deer hunter. While he killed six people, six hundred were killed with handguns. And all of the attention is being given to "assault weapons" while that is going on. Someone has done a fine job of distracting attention from what's going on, and you're playing right into it. Ed Huntress |
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"Robert Sturgeon" wrote in message
... On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 01:03:19 -0500, "Ed Huntress" wrote: "Lennie the Lurker" wrote in message . com... Unfortunately, money and blustering bull**** still talk louder than rationale. Myself, I think there should be a bounty on NRA lobbyists. $5 per head, 360 day open season, no bag limit. If still alive, no bounty, go finish the job first. Yeah, you have the bluster part right, Lennie. Jeez, I hate gun control arguments. They're such a bunch of crap, and it makes me sick that intelligent people like you and John can fall for such transparent bull****. (gun control argumentation, snipped) When I see somebody at the range with a big clip hanging down from some little semiauto gun, my blood boils. Really? How odd. It doesn't bother me one bit. That doesn't surprise me at all, Robert. He's part of the problem -- that is, both the image problem and a real problem, which is that violent kids, and nutballs, and murderers love 'dem big magazines. I'm none of the above, and yet I understand the utility of large capacity magazines. Good for you. This is an off-the-reservation thing to say, but I believe they should be sacrificed in the name of sanity and social comity. The 2nd Amendment isn't about deer hunting or social comity. I've read the 2nd Amendment, Robert. I'm not a purist about anything, except using natural hackle and dubbing on my dry flies, and I'm willing to toss big magazines over the side in the name of good sense, Big magazines ARE very sensible. Only to very strange people, Robert. and as a symbol of responsibility among gun owners. And I don't give a flying **** what arguments Gunner makes about it. g I understand that you don't care about the arguments put forth by those who disagree with you. But when did that detail ever stop anyone??? It certainly won't stop you. g The 2nd Amendment guarantees my right to keep and bear arms for the defense of self, family, friends, neighbors and country. Large capacity magazines make a firearm a better tool for that purpose, and thus are a Good Thing(tm). A dozen 75 mm howitzers loaded with cannister, ringing your property and pointed outward, would be even better -- especially if you had them rigged to motion detectors. Then you'd be free, and safe. You'll notice that the military and police, tasked with the same duty to defend, do not limit themselves to 10 round magazines when 30 or 40 round magazines are available. Yeah, I've noticed that. I see no reason I should either. I'm not surprised that you don't see. I've seen your arguments before. Ed Huntress |
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On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 12:32:07 -0500, Cliff wrote:
On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 08:20:55 -0800, 'Captain' Kirk DeHaan wrote: Ignore the fact of thousands of owners with guns with high capacity mags that never commit a crime. Neither do the many, many millions of people riding about in aircraft each year ..... Non-sequitur. Kirk "Moe, Larry, the cheese!", Curly |
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Lennie the Lurker wrote:
Cliff wrote in message . .. On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 18:00:23 GMT, Gunner wrote: Werent you one of the guys who was bitching about the loss of freedoms because of the Patriot Act? So a few Uzi-bangers with hand grenades is the answer? What bunker are you from? Is it dark in there? Check the news, six people killed in Wisconsin by a kook with a 20 round magazine in an assault rifle clone. Had the laws not been changed to allow this idocy, maybe there wouldn't have been so many. Legal in Wisconsin used to be no more than three in the clip, one in the chamber. Shotguns, two in the mag and one in the chamber. That's six people murdered by an out of state kook with a kooks weapon. Justify that. (The old laws used to be balanced by practicality, not radical paranoia from gun freaks.) Several others wounded, and among the dead and wounded, only one, sporting type deer rifle. One woman included, shot off the back of an ATV, and again, only ONE had a rifle. Real men with guns shoot at unarmed women. typical conservative action. Wisconsin has never had a limitation on the size of magazine or number of rounds in the gun for gun deer hunting. It now looks like Vang used a Saiga, an AK action based rifle that looks something like an SKS. David David |
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On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 12:43:39 -0500, "Ed Huntress"
calmly ranted: "Cliff" wrote in message .. . On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 01:03:19 -0500, "Ed Huntress" wrote: nutballs, and murderers love 'dem big magazines. How would that ever be a problem were they, per statements, never used? As I said, they create an image problem, and a real problem. The real problem is that they make for dramatic stories that wind up totally dissembling the facts about guns and crime...such as the story about the deer hunter. While he killed six people, six hundred were killed with handguns. And all of the attention is being given to "assault weapons" while that is going on. Someone has done a fine job of distracting attention from what's going on, and you're playing right into it. Whatever you do, don't look up the stats on the automobile death toll. Silly Q: Should we outlaw buses due to their large "magazines", Ed? Question 1: If you were inside your house and a mob came up to get you, would you want a standard magazine or a high-capacity magazine in your handgun or rifle to defend yourself? Be honest. Question 2: Shouldn't we be working on the image problem instead of outlawing perfectly harmless yet potentially lifesaving technology? -- SAVE THE PARROTS! Eschew the use of poly! ---------- http://diversify.com Poly-free Website Development |
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Gunner wrote in message . ..
Ayup. Seems our little yellow brother will be getting the big dirt nap. Get your facts straight weenie brain. Your open mouth continues to gather foot. How come CONservative and CONvict start with the same three letters? You gonna pay back that liberal tainted money that they wasted keeping your useless ass alive? |
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"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
... On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 12:43:39 -0500, "Ed Huntress" calmly ranted: "Cliff" wrote in message .. . On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 01:03:19 -0500, "Ed Huntress" wrote: nutballs, and murderers love 'dem big magazines. How would that ever be a problem were they, per statements, never used? As I said, they create an image problem, and a real problem. The real problem is that they make for dramatic stories that wind up totally dissembling the facts about guns and crime...such as the story about the deer hunter. While he killed six people, six hundred were killed with handguns. And all of the attention is being given to "assault weapons" while that is going on. Someone has done a fine job of distracting attention from what's going on, and you're playing right into it. Whatever you do, don't look up the stats on the automobile death toll. Silly Q: Should we outlaw buses due to their large "magazines", Ed? Question 1: If you were inside your house and a mob came up to get you, would you want a standard magazine or a high-capacity magazine in your handgun or rifle to defend yourself? Be honest. Answer 1: Honesty says that no mob ever came up to get me in my house. And it never will. If that doesn't satisfy you, then you don't understand the political problem. Question 2: Shouldn't we be working on the image problem instead of outlawing perfectly harmless yet potentially lifesaving technology? Go for it. I spent over a year of my spare time at it, doing a lot of hard work. I believe I was on the right track, but I got no help. The people who should have helped were producing cockamamie arguments in favor of 20-shot magazines for hunting deer, etc. They undid everything I did. So they can go screw themselves. They aren't worth the trouble. And that's why I got out of my volunteer lobbying in 1991. Ed Huntress |
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"Lennie the Lurker" wrote in message
om... Gunner wrote in message . .. Ayup. Seems our little yellow brother will be getting the big dirt nap. Get your facts straight weenie brain. Your open mouth continues to gather foot. How come CONservative and CONvict start with the same three letters? You gonna pay back that liberal tainted money that they wasted keeping your useless ass alive? Gee Dick, not enough with the daughter to keep you busy? |
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On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 14:07:55 -0500, "Ed Huntress"
calmly ranted: I said: Question 1: If you were inside your house and a mob came up to get you, would you want a standard magazine or a high-capacity magazine in your handgun or rifle to defend yourself? Be honest. Answer 1: Honesty says that no mob ever came up to get me in my house. And it never will. If that doesn't satisfy you, then you don't understand the political problem. Ah, the Indestructible American denial bug. Well, when the Shrub succeeds in getting 1.3 billion Muslims united against us and they take out the American infrastructure, bringing anarchy to your door, you just may change your stance on that...a bit too late. I'd rather play it safe and stock up on necessities now. Question 2: Shouldn't we be working on the image problem instead of outlawing perfectly harmless yet potentially lifesaving technology? Go for it. I spent over a year of my spare time at it, doing a lot of hard work. I believe I was on the right track, but I got no help. The people who should have helped were producing cockamamie arguments in favor of 20-shot magazines for hunting deer, etc. They undid everything I did. So they can go screw themselves. They aren't worth the trouble. You seem to have inherited some of the illogic of the anti-gun mob. Sorry about that. Ciao! -- SAVE THE PARROTS! Eschew the use of poly! ---------- http://diversify.com Poly-free Website Development |
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On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 12:59:12 -0500, "Ed Huntress"
wrote: (snips) The 2nd Amendment guarantees my right to keep and bear arms for the defense of self, family, friends, neighbors and country. Large capacity magazines make a firearm a better tool for that purpose, and thus are a Good Thing(tm). A dozen 75 mm howitzers loaded with cannister, ringing your property and pointed outward, would be even better -- especially if you had them rigged to motion detectors. Then you'd be free, and safe. It may surprise you to learn that individual Americans do own howitzers, tanks, jet fighters, etc. I'd like to have a howitzer, but I don't know exactly what I'd use it for. But it would make a great conversation piece. I know of a fellow who makes muzzle-loading cannons. I'm sure he could make a breech-loader for me. Ah, some day... Happy Thanksgiving and happy shooting! (rest snipped) -- Robert Sturgeon Summum ius summa inuria. http://www.vistech.net/users/rsturge/ |
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"Robert Sturgeon" wrote in message
... On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 12:59:12 -0500, "Ed Huntress" wrote: (snips) The 2nd Amendment guarantees my right to keep and bear arms for the defense of self, family, friends, neighbors and country. Large capacity magazines make a firearm a better tool for that purpose, and thus are a Good Thing(tm). A dozen 75 mm howitzers loaded with cannister, ringing your property and pointed outward, would be even better -- especially if you had them rigged to motion detectors. Then you'd be free, and safe. It may surprise you to learn that individual Americans do own howitzers, tanks, jet fighters, etc. Oh, no, it doesn't surprise me. That's why I keep guns of my own -- because there are people like that running around loose. I'd like to have a howitzer, but I don't know exactly what I'd use it for. I'm sure that you could find some use for it, if you applied that vivid imagination of yours. g I know of a fellow who makes muzzle-loading cannons. I'm sure he could make a breech-loader for me. Ah, some day... Yeah, in a happier time, we'll all have them on our front lawns, aimed at each of our neighbors. I'll bet THAT would get the guy next door to return my paint scrapers. d8-) Happy Thanksgiving and happy shooting! To you, too, Robert. Ed Huntress |
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On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 14:07:55 -0500, "Ed Huntress"
wrote: Question 1: If you were inside your house and a mob came up to get you, would you want a standard magazine or a high-capacity magazine in your handgun or rifle to defend yourself? Be honest. Answer 1: Honesty says that no mob ever came up to get me in my house. And it never will. If that doesn't satisfy you, then you don't understand the political problem. Id suggest you ask the Korean shopkeepers in LA about the utility of high cap mags during the last riot. Gunner Come shed a tear for Michael Moore- Though he smirked and lied like a two-bit whore George Bush has just won another four. Poor, sad little Michael Moore Diogenes |
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On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 16:54:17 -0500, "Ed Huntress"
wrote: I know of a fellow who makes muzzle-loading cannons. I'm sure he could make a breech-loader for me. Ah, some day... Yeah, in a happier time, we'll all have them on our front lawns, aimed at each of our neighbors. I'll bet THAT would get the guy next door to return my paint scrapers. d8-) "In fact the Gods were as puzzled by all this as the wizards were, but they were powerless to do anything and in any case were engaged in an eons-old battle with the Ice Giants, who had refused to return the lawnmower." - "The Light Fantastic" by Terry Pratchett HTH -- Cliff |
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On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 12:43:39 -0500, "Ed Huntress"
wrote: "Cliff" wrote in message .. . On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 01:03:19 -0500, "Ed Huntress" wrote: nutballs, and murderers love 'dem big magazines. How would that ever be a problem were they, per statements, never used? As I said, they create an image problem, and a real problem. The real problem is that they make for dramatic stories that wind up totally dissembling the facts about guns and crime...such as the story about the deer hunter. While he killed six people, six hundred were killed with handguns. And all of the attention is being given to "assault weapons" while that is going on. So because it's so usual that people are killed with "ordinary" guns this one made the news, being so unusual? Or because of other reasons? Someone has done a fine job of distracting attention from what's going on, and you're playing right into it. The pond thawed G. -- Cliff |
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On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 12:43:39 -0500, "Ed Huntress"
wrote: "Cliff" wrote in message .. . On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 01:03:19 -0500, "Ed Huntress" wrote: nutballs, and murderers love 'dem big magazines. How would that ever be a problem were they, per statements, never used? As I said, they create an image problem, and a real problem. The real problem is that they make for dramatic stories that wind up totally dissembling the facts about guns and crime...such as the story about the deer hunter. Nope, the magazines don't create the image problem OR the real problem. The problems are created by people who have irrational problems with these inanimate objects. (snip) |
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On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 12:59:12 -0500, "Ed Huntress"
wrote: (snip) When I see somebody at the range with a big clip hanging down from some little semiauto gun, my blood boils. Really? How odd. It doesn't bother me one bit. That doesn't surprise me at all, Robert. Being upset by a magazine does seem strange to me, too. He's part of the problem -- that is, both the image problem and a real problem, which is that violent kids, and nutballs, and murderers love 'dem big magazines. I'm none of the above, and yet I understand the utility of large capacity magazines. Good for you. Another problem with acceding to the demands of the gun grabbers is that they will want more. They keep saying "All we want is reasonable controls.", but every time you turn around their "reasonable" controls become MORE controls. This is an off-the-reservation thing to say, but I believe they should be sacrificed in the name of sanity and social comity. The 2nd Amendment isn't about deer hunting or social comity. I've read the 2nd Amendment, Robert. Then you should agree that it isn't about deer hunting or social comity? I'm not a purist about anything, except using natural hackle and dubbing on my dry flies, and I'm willing to toss big magazines over the side in the name of good sense, Big magazines ARE very sensible. Only to very strange people, Robert. Yeah, strange and logical people who want to accomplish the job of self-defense. (snip) A dozen 75 mm howitzers loaded with cannister, ringing your property and pointed outward, would be even better -- especially if you had them rigged to motion detectors. Then you'd be free, and safe. Right, but does that have anything to do with THIS subject or did you just feel like tossing a red herring in here? You'll notice that the military and police, tasked with the same duty to defend, do not limit themselves to 10 round magazines when 30 or 40 round magazines are available. Yeah, I've noticed that. But what do they know about using guns, right? I see no reason I should either. I'm not surprised that you don't see. I've seen your arguments before. Nice comeback. :/ |
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On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 11:10:08 -0500, Cliff wrote:
On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 04:32:49 GMT, Gunner wrote: Something evidently you are totally unfamiliar with, basing your posts on fear, paranoia and phobia and nothing else. Tell us again why you *need* guns? Tell us again why you think anybody needs to prove any "need" to YOU. LMAO. |
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On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 11:10:14 -0500, Cliff wrote:
On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 06:26:03 GMT, Mike In Santa Cruz wrote: Most stolen guns are handguns Victims report to the Victim Survey that in 53% of the thefts of guns, handguns were stolen. The FBI's stolen gun file's 2 million reports include information on-- 1.26 million handguns (almost 60%) 470,000 rifles (22%) 356,000 shotguns (17%). Like I keep saying .... they make the owner a taget. Saying it's one thing. Proving it's another. You ever gonna prove it? In those ~2,000,000 cases, how many times did the gun get used in self-defense? Looks like about none. Based on............? How many thefts would NOT have happened, including all associated injuries & deaths, had they NOT had thse guns to steal? Based on...........? OTOH We now have probably ~2,000,000 more people armed to protect themselves with guns, do we not? Dunno. You don't seem to know much of anything, do you? :/ |
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"Gunner" wrote in message
... On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 14:07:55 -0500, "Ed Huntress" wrote: Question 1: If you were inside your house and a mob came up to get you, would you want a standard magazine or a high-capacity magazine in your handgun or rifle to defend yourself? Be honest. Answer 1: Honesty says that no mob ever came up to get me in my house. And it never will. If that doesn't satisfy you, then you don't understand the political problem. Id suggest you ask the Korean shopkeepers in LA about the utility of high cap mags during the last riot. Well, if I ever decide to become a Korean shopkeeper, maybe I'll revisit the question. As it is, Korean shopkeepers with high-capacity magazines on their semiautos is not a happy thought. They do tend to be impassioned folks at times. Ed Huntress |
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"The Watcher" wrote in message
... On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 12:43:39 -0500, "Ed Huntress" wrote: "Cliff" wrote in message .. . On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 01:03:19 -0500, "Ed Huntress" wrote: nutballs, and murderers love 'dem big magazines. How would that ever be a problem were they, per statements, never used? As I said, they create an image problem, and a real problem. The real problem is that they make for dramatic stories that wind up totally dissembling the facts about guns and crime...such as the story about the deer hunter. Nope, the magazines don't create the image problem OR the real problem. Yeah, it did. Half the copy written about it concerns the size of the magazine -- which everyone seems to think is different, but they all think is big. That's the big bogeyman, Watcher. While you're spinning cockamamie justifications for ridiculous magazines, you're digging a big hole for gun owners everywhere. Have fun cooking up another story. Maybe, like Larry, you anticipate a swarming hoard of Muslims who got past the US Navy, the US Air Force, the US Army and the National Guard, and who decided to attack your front porch. Pathological paranoia is not an argument that sits well in gun-control debates. Ed Huntress |
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On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 01:53:41 GMT, (The Watcher)
wrote: You reveal your ignorance here. This guy obviously did NOT go "spraying rounds trying to make up for an lack of skill". He appeared to have some degree of skill with the weapon and seems to have employed it fairly skillfully. You're saying mass murder was his objective and you will defend to the death his right to have the proper weapons to do it? Thought so. |
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On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 02:22:37 GMT, (The Watcher)
wrote: Plonk! |
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wrote in message ... On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 01:53:41 GMT, (The Watcher) wrote: You reveal your ignorance here. This guy obviously did NOT go "spraying rounds trying to make up for an lack of skill". He appeared to have some degree of skill with the weapon and seems to have employed it fairly skillfully. You're saying mass murder was his objective and you will defend to the death his right to have the proper weapons to do it? Thought so. http://newpaper.asia1.com.sg/top/sto...,78130,00.html "I killed them because they called me a GOOK" -- SVL |
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"The Watcher" wrote in message
... On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 12:59:12 -0500, "Ed Huntress" wrote: (snip) When I see somebody at the range with a big clip hanging down from some little semiauto gun, my blood boils. Really? How odd. It doesn't bother me one bit. That doesn't surprise me at all, Robert. Being upset by a magazine does seem strange to me, too. Well, you guys do tend to run in packs. I hadn't noticed, until I saw Robert, which newsgroups were involved here. He's part of the problem -- that is, both the image problem and a real problem, which is that violent kids, and nutballs, and murderers love 'dem big magazines. I'm none of the above, and yet I understand the utility of large capacity magazines. Good for you. Another problem with acceding to the demands of the gun grabbers is that they will want more. They keep saying "All we want is reasonable controls.", but every time you turn around their "reasonable" controls become MORE controls. True enough. What I'm talking about is the good sens of gun owners, not of anti-gunners. This is an off-the-reservation thing to say, but I believe they should be sacrificed in the name of sanity and social comity. The 2nd Amendment isn't about deer hunting or social comity. I've read the 2nd Amendment, Robert. Then you should agree that it isn't about deer hunting or social comity? I'm not a purist about anything, except using natural hackle and dubbing on my dry flies, and I'm willing to toss big magazines over the side in the name of good sense, Big magazines ARE very sensible. Only to very strange people, Robert. Yeah, strange and logical people who want to accomplish the job of self-defense. Well, maybe you have a scenario like the one Larry was talking about to suggest to us. I feel quite comfortable with the standard magazine in my .45 ACP, and a couple of loaded ones in my pocket. How many do you need to feel comfortable? Which hoard is out to get YOU? Ed Huntress |
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"PrecisionMachinisT" wrote in message
... wrote in message ... On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 01:53:41 GMT, (The Watcher) wrote: You reveal your ignorance here. This guy obviously did NOT go "spraying rounds trying to make up for an lack of skill". He appeared to have some degree of skill with the weapon and seems to have employed it fairly skillfully. You're saying mass murder was his objective and you will defend to the death his right to have the proper weapons to do it? Thought so. http://newpaper.asia1.com.sg/top/sto...,78130,00.html "I killed them because they called me a GOOK" Hmm. Another blow for good judgment on the part of our gun-toting fellow man... Ed Huntress |
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"Ed Huntress" wrote in message ... "PrecisionMachinisT" wrote in message ... wrote in message ... On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 01:53:41 GMT, (The Watcher) wrote: You reveal your ignorance here. This guy obviously did NOT go "spraying rounds trying to make up for an lack of skill". He appeared to have some degree of skill with the weapon and seems to have employed it fairly skillfully. You're saying mass murder was his objective and you will defend to the death his right to have the proper weapons to do it? Thought so. http://newpaper.asia1.com.sg/top/sto...,78130,00.html "I killed them because they called me a GOOK" Hmm. Another blow for good judgment on the part of our gun-toting fellow man... Yup....... They shoulda called him wop, spic or perhaps maybe pollack instead, then this all probly woulda never happened. -- SVL |
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On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 22:26:55 -0500, "Ed Huntress"
wrote: (snip) Nope, the magazines don't create the image problem OR the real problem. Yeah, it did. Half the copy written about it concerns the size of the magazine -- which everyone seems to think is different, but they all think is big. So? If you know anything about problem-solving, you'd know the first step in problem-solving is to identify the problem. No matter if half the copy IS written about the size of the magazine, that still doesn't mean the size of the magazine is the problem. Maybe the problem is the crazy people who have irrational reactions to high-capacity magazines. Here's an analogy for you: If you have a deathly fear of snakes, is the problem snakes or your fear of them? Suppose you manage to get treatment for an irrational fear of snakes and get it dealt with so you no longer fear them. The problem goes away without anything happening to the snakes, so apparently, the snakes weren't the problem in the first place. That's the big bogeyman, Watcher. While you're spinning cockamamie justifications for ridiculous magazines, you're digging a big hole for gun owners everywhere. I spin no justifications for anything, and don't dig holes for them either. Have fun cooking up another story. Maybe, like Larry, you anticipate a swarming hoard of Muslims who got past the US Navy, the US Air Force, the US Army and the National Guard, and who decided to attack your front porch. Nope. You just keep pulling these strange ideas from nowhere, eh? Free association? Pathological paranoia is not an argument that sits well in gun-control debates. Neither is free association and your neuroses. |
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On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 23:18:34 -0500, "Ed Huntress"
wrote: "The Watcher" wrote in message ... On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 12:59:12 -0500, "Ed Huntress" wrote: (snip) When I see somebody at the range with a big clip hanging down from some little semiauto gun, my blood boils. Really? How odd. It doesn't bother me one bit. That doesn't surprise me at all, Robert. Being upset by a magazine does seem strange to me, too. Well, you guys do tend to run in packs. I hadn't noticed, until I saw Robert, which newsgroups were involved here. Well, if you can't address the argument, attack the messenger, right? Whatever works(or distracts), right? (snip) True enough. What I'm talking about is the good sens of gun owners, not of anti-gunners. Nope, you're talking about caving in to the demands of gun grabbers. I'm a gun owner and I have no desire to give up high-capacity magazine because some people don't like them or have neurotic problems with them. Other peoples' neuroses are not MY problems. (snip) Well, maybe you have a scenario like the one Larry was talking about to suggest to us. I feel quite comfortable with the standard magazine in my .45 ACP, and a couple of loaded ones in my pocket. How many do you need to feel comfortable? Which hoard is out to get YOU? Do you mean "horde"? Either way, it doesn't matter. I didn't see anywhere in my copy of the 2nd Amendment where I need to justify anything to you or anyone else. So, you want to be able to carry 21 rounds for your .45, but have a problem with other people being able to carry 20 or 30-round magazines for their weapons? Doesn't sound too logical to me. :/ |
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On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 01:53:41 GMT, (The Watcher)
wrote: And the idiots that think outlawing extended magazines because some people use them in crimes is sound logic don't seem to want to apply the same "logic" to all the other things that are used in crimes. I guess they don't really think the logic is valid, but are just looking for an excuse to further their agenda. Too bad they're not honest enough to come right out and say so. Being intellectually dishonest like that really tends to make many people distrust anything they say later. All of which makes one wonder what possible valid use those things have. Are you going to claim that they make fine hammers? Please supply some logic here. A bit of foorp would be nice too. -- Cliff |
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On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 01:53:41 GMT, (The Watcher)
wrote: Untainted fact, Ed, six people are dead because one kook with a huge magazine was allowed to legally carry that piece of **** into the woods, and commit murder. Six dead, others wounded, one huge clip against only one sporting weapon. Either admit that those huge clips aren't needed, Needed? My copy of the Constitution doesn't have a requirement that anything pass a standard of "need". Does yours? What does it say about your neighbor's craven desire for nukes? Those are "arms" too, right? -- Cliff |
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Greetings and Salutations...
On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 23:28:20 -0500, "Ed Huntress" wrote: "PrecisionMachinisT" wrote in message ... wrote in message ... On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 01:53:41 GMT, (The Watcher) wrote: You reveal your ignorance here. This guy obviously did NOT go "spraying rounds trying to make up for an lack of skill". He appeared to have some degree of skill with the weapon and seems to have employed it fairly skillfully. You're saying mass murder was his objective and you will defend to the death his right to have the proper weapons to do it? Thought so. http://newpaper.asia1.com.sg/top/sto...,78130,00.html "I killed them because they called me a GOOK" Hmm. Another blow for good judgment on the part of our gun-toting fellow man... Ed Huntress Well, inflammatory headlines sell papers. Since the report is that there had been a NUMBER of incidents between asian and white hunters in the area over the past few years, perhaps there is quite a bit more to find out. The article also calls into question the number of rounds in Vang's gun, as it reports he had to reload five or six rounds...hardly the killing machine portrayed elsewhere. Still, there is a lot more of the story to come out, I think...and I am still not convinced that any kind of a gun ban should show up from this. Regards Dave Mundt |
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