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I have a need to drive a john deere farm tractor at the boarding
stable that I keep my horse at. The only one who drove it left suddenly after an argument with the owner. The tractor has two shift levers going into the trans axle. I think one is like a four speed auto giving four speeds, and the other gives forward and reverse plus one or two other positions. Are my finding correct so far, and what are the other positions? Is there a lever to disconnect the PTO? there isn't anything hooked up to it, but if possible I would like to not have it turning. Do these things have any kind of parking brake? I figured out the dual foot brakes OK. I will get a model number when I go to the barn next, and will take a pic of the controls. Thanks. -- Dan |
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dan wrote:
I have a need to drive a john deere farm tractor at the boarding stable that I keep my horse at. The only one who drove it left suddenly after an argument with the owner. The tractor has two shift levers going into the trans axle. I think one is like a four speed auto giving four speeds, and the other gives forward and reverse plus one or two other positions. Are my finding correct so far, and what are the other positions? Is there a lever to disconnect the PTO? there isn't anything hooked up to it, but if possible I would like to not have it turning. Do these things have any kind of parking brake? I figured out the dual foot brakes OK. I will get a model number when I go to the barn next, and will take a pic of the controls. Thanks. You're going to kill yourself. |
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Driven a lot of JDs. Yours doesn't sound familiar. The model number
would help. bob g. dan wrote: I have a need to drive a john deere farm tractor at the boarding stable that I keep my horse at. The only one who drove it left suddenly after an argument with the owner. The tractor has two shift levers going into the trans axle. I think one is like a four speed auto giving four speeds, and the other gives forward and reverse plus one or two other positions. Are my finding correct so far, and what are the other positions? Is there a lever to disconnect the PTO? there isn't anything hooked up to it, but if possible I would like to not have it turning. Do these things have any kind of parking brake? I figured out the dual foot brakes OK. I will get a model number when I go to the barn next, and will take a pic of the controls. Thanks. |
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Half the fun is just figuring out a new tractor. Get out in the middle of
the field and start playing with it. Unless you have a shuttle transmission, the left lever is speed ranges L-H or L-M-H, the right will have an H pattern for R-1-2-3 ( some have 4 also) A shuttle transmission has a forward/reverse lever just under the steering wheel on the left. Most Johnny's have a catch lever somewhere on the brake linkage to hold the brakes down for parking and another lever to lock both left/right brakes together. My brand new JD5310N has its own parking brake lever just like a car. The PTO engage lever will come out just in front of the axle, normally on the left side. I far as I remember all JDs of any recent vintage do not require you to have the clutch down to engage the PTO. The old ones do - the two cylinder Johnny poppers. Spend time learning where to check oil and other fluid levels - bet that unit ain't been maintained either. Not many Johnny's I ain't rode - except the 200+ horse articulating type. Karl |
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I guess I'm dating myself. I'm used to JDs with one brake on each side
of the operator's platform. Hard to link together. At least, the one in my garage, a 620, works that way. rhg Karl Townsend wrote: Half the fun is just figuring out a new tractor. Get out in the middle of the field and start playing with it. Unless you have a shuttle transmission, the left lever is speed ranges L-H or L-M-H, the right will have an H pattern for R-1-2-3 ( some have 4 also) A shuttle transmission has a forward/reverse lever just under the steering wheel on the left. Most Johnny's have a catch lever somewhere on the brake linkage to hold the brakes down for parking and another lever to lock both left/right brakes together. My brand new JD5310N has its own parking brake lever just like a car. The PTO engage lever will come out just in front of the axle, normally on the left side. I far as I remember all JDs of any recent vintage do not require you to have the clutch down to engage the PTO. The old ones do - the two cylinder Johnny poppers. Spend time learning where to check oil and other fluid levels - bet that unit ain't been maintained either. Not many Johnny's I ain't rode - except the 200+ horse articulating type. Karl |
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You usually have forward gears (3 or 4) and reverse on one stick, and
then a selection of gear ratios on the other, so you can go at various speeds forward and reverse. most tractors don't have any syncros, so you have to stop to change gear. Handbrakes vary - on our little Ford, you step on the foot brake and pull up a small ring by the brake pedal. 3pt linkage is a selection of hand controls (on the right on the Ford) by the rear wheel fender. Should be a PTO engage lever around there somewhere. Hand throttle on the dash. Some have a foot throttle as well. Diesels will usually need glow plug starting, and pull a knob to stop. Don't forget to turn off the ignition if it isn't automatic otherwise the battery will go flat. Geoff |
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Dan,
I only operated J-D's a few times because my Dad hated them. One thing I do remember about the ones I operated is that when the transmission is worn they have a tendency to jump into neutral when going down steep hills ( some of my first gray hairs were acquired at 12 years old by that). Another thing to remember: some tractors must be parked uphill or downhill, depending on whether they are in reverse or a forward gear. Not all brands are that way and I can't remember what kind of tractor it was that killed a neighbor because of that peculiarity. Be careful. DL |
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dan wrote:
I have a need to drive a john deere farm tractor at the boarding stable that I keep my horse at. The only one who drove it left suddenly after an argument with the owner. The tractor has two shift levers going into the trans axle. I think one is like a four speed auto giving four speeds, and the other gives forward and reverse plus one or two other positions. Are my finding correct so far, and what are the other positions? Is there a lever to disconnect the PTO? there isn't anything hooked up to it, but if possible I would like to not have it turning. Do these things have any kind of parking brake? I figured out the dual foot brakes OK. I will get a model number when I go to the barn next, and will take a pic of the controls. Thanks. Okay, sounds like you have a 1830-2130 type JD. The two levers are indeed range and gear levers. The left lever is the range lever and at the top-left position it will be park. That's why you don't have any parking brakes, you have a park gear. Top-right position is low-range (gears 1-4). Bottom-left is high range (gears 5-8). Bottom-right is reverse. The other lever is for the gears. Top-left is 1 (or 5) bottom-left is 2 (or 6), bottom-right is 3 (or 7), and top-right is 4 (or 8). It's not arranged like any manual transmission is a truck, it's in a U-shaped shift pattern. It's been a long while since we traded off our 1830 on a 6300 but I thinks that's correct. The Range positions might be interchanged. Hope this helps. Jason Marshall |
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What's that Lassie? You say that Robert Galloway fell down the old
rec.crafts.metalworking mine and will die if we don't mount a rescue by Sun, 22 Aug 2004 16:44:44 -0500: Driven a lot of JDs. Yours doesn't sound familiar. The model number would help. model # 1830 I did figure it out with a little trial and error, and the duct tape labels someone put on it. The left lever has four positions in an H pattern. forward HI, forward LO, reverse, and park. Yes park. It locks the axal. The right lever is like a four speed manual gearbox on a car, but third and forth seem to be switched. The PTO lever on the left of the seat doesn't seem to work like I expected. It won't move forward and back like I would expect. It can be pivoted out towards the wheel, but there is no detent to keep it in position. It has a spring that pulls it back away from the wheel. On the right side of the seat there is a lever for the hydraulic connections. Those are capped off, so I haven't messed with it. Also on the right there is a lever that I can only guess is the raise/lower for the three point hitch. I haven't messed with that either. Thanks for every ones help. Dan H. -- Dan |
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What's that Lassie? You say that Kevin Beitz fell down the old
rec.crafts.metalworking mine and will die if we don't mount a rescue by 22 Aug 2004 17:04:36 -0700: I would say the other shifter is for High low range only... See my other reply. One is PARK HI LO REV, and the other is 1 2 3 4 . -- Dan |
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What's that Lassie? You say that Karl Townsend fell down the old
rec.crafts.metalworking mine and will die if we don't mount a rescue by Mon, 23 Aug 2004 01:06:19 GMT: Half the fun is just figuring out a new tractor. Get out in the middle of the field and start playing with it. That's about what I did. Once I was sure of how to stop the engine, I tried everything slowly. Unless you have a shuttle transmission, the left lever is speed ranges L-H or L-M-H, the right will have an H pattern for R-1-2-3 ( some have 4 also) A shuttle transmission has a forward/reverse lever just under the steering wheel on the left. As it turns out one lever is PARK HI LO REV and the other is 1 2 3 4. Most Johnny's have a catch lever somewhere on the brake linkage to hold the brakes down for parking and another lever to lock both left/right brakes together. My brand new JD5310N has its own parking brake lever just like a car. Most of the other tractors here have a separate hand break or the thing that engages a ratchet on the foot brake. But I looked and looked, and couldn't find any such thing on this one. JD #1830 The PTO engage lever will come out just in front of the axle, normally on the left side. I far as I remember all JDs of any recent vintage do not require you to have the clutch down to engage the PTO. The old ones do - the two cylinder Johnny poppers. Spend time learning where to check oil and other fluid levels - bet that unit ain't been maintained either. There is a guy that does the repairs for the place, I have a call in to him to look over the thing and show us what to check and stuff. Not many Johnny's I ain't rode - except the 200+ horse articulating type. Karl -- Dan |
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What's that Lassie? You say that Robert Galloway fell down the old
rec.crafts.metalworking mine and will die if we don't mount a rescue by Sun, 22 Aug 2004 20:30:56 -0500: I guess I'm dating myself. I'm used to JDs with one brake on each side of the operator's platform. Hard to link together. At least, the one in my garage, a 620, works that way. This one is a 1830, it does have duel pedals that has a bar that can be swung into position to make them stay together. -- Dan |
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What's that Lassie? You say that geoff m fell down the old
rec.crafts.metalworking mine and will die if we don't mount a rescue by 23 Aug 2004 02:34:26 -0500: You usually have forward gears (3 or 4) and reverse on one stick, and then a selection of gear ratios on the other, so you can go at various speeds forward and reverse. most tractors don't have any syncros, so you have to stop to change gear. This one must be an oddball. On one lever it has 1 2 3 4, and on the other one PARK HI LO REV. The park position explains why I couldn't find the parking brake. Handbrakes vary - on our little Ford, you step on the foot brake and pull up a small ring by the brake pedal. 3pt linkage is a selection of hand controls (on the right on the Ford) by the rear wheel fender. Should be a PTO engage lever around there somewhere. Hand throttle on the dash. Some have a foot throttle as well. Yep, found the hand and foot throttles by tracing back the linkages from the injector pump. Found the stop lever too. Diesels will usually need glow plug starting, and pull a knob to stop. Don't forget to turn off the ignition if it isn't automatic otherwise the battery will go flat. Thanks I didn't know that. -- Dan |
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What's that Lassie? You say that Tom fell down the old
rec.crafts.metalworking mine and will die if we don't mount a rescue by Mon, 23 Aug 2004 12:50:57 GMT: Depends on the model. I have a 4300 compact and there are two shift levers on the left side of the seat. One is 3 spd in line and the other is 4 speed "H" pattern giving you a 12 speed combination. There is a forward/reverse lever on the dash. The PTO lever is on the right side of the seat and the parking brake is on the left. Others will have different arrangements - knowing the model number will make a world of difference. It's a 1830. I did figure out the shift patterns. Thanks -- Dan |
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What's that Lassie? You say that Gunluvver2 fell down the old
rec.crafts.metalworking mine and will die if we don't mount a rescue by 23 Aug 2004 14:40:31 GMT: Dan, I only operated J-D's a few times because my Dad hated them. One thing I do remember about the ones I operated is that when the transmission is worn they have a tendency to jump into neutral when going down steep hills ( some of my first gray hairs were acquired at 12 years old by that). Another thing to remember: some tractors must be parked uphill or downhill, depending on whether they are in reverse or a forward gear. Not all brands are that way and I can't remember what kind of tractor it was that killed a neighbor because of that peculiarity. Be careful. DL Thanks. I did figure out the shift pattern( see my other posts). I shouldn't need to park it on a hill, so I should be OK. We are just using it to pull a flatbed trailer to get hay from the shed up the lane. For the most part we don't need to even back up. We just lug along at 1/3 throttle first gear, high range. Takes a while, but it won't get stuck in the mud like the pickup will. Come winter, we may get a roller to flatten out the dirt before it freezes in the paddocks. -- Dan |
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What's that Lassie? You say that "
" fell down the old rec.crafts.metalworking mine and will die if we don't mount a rescue by Mon, 23 Aug 2004 12:18:27 -0500: Okay, sounds like you have a 1830-2130 type JD. The two levers are indeed range and gear levers. The left lever is the range lever and at the top-left position it will be park. That's why you don't have any parking brakes, you have a park gear. Top-right position is low-range (gears 1-4). Bottom-left is high range (gears 5-8). Bottom-right is reverse. The other lever is for the gears. Top-left is 1 (or 5) bottom-left is 2 (or 6), bottom-right is 3 (or 7), and top-right is 4 (or 8). It's not arranged like any manual transmission is a truck, it's in a U-shaped shift pattern. Yep that's it!! The factory labels are all long gone, but there is a faded duct tape/marker label that had some of the positions still showing. It's been a long while since we traded off our 1830 on a 6300 but I thinks that's correct. The Range positions might be interchanged. Nope you got it right. Hope this helps. It does, Thanks! -- Dan |
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What's that Lassie? You say that "
" fell down the old rec.crafts.metalworking mine and will die if we don't mount a rescue by Mon, 23 Aug 2004 12:18:27 -0500: It's been a long while since we traded off our 1830 on a 6300 but I thinks that's correct. Do you remember anything about the PTO lever? and the three point hitch control? -- Dan |
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In article t, asdf says...
You're going to kill yourself. From the replies to all the comments that have been made to his questions, this sounds less than probable. Seems like he has a pretty good approach to new equipment. Jim -- ================================================== please reply to: JRR(zero) at pkmfgvm4 (dot) vnet (dot) ibm (dot) com ================================================== |
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dan wrote:
What's that Lassie? You say that " " fell down the old rec.crafts.metalworking mine and will die if we don't mount a rescue by Mon, 23 Aug 2004 12:18:27 -0500: It's been a long while since we traded off our 1830 on a 6300 but I thinks that's correct. Do you remember anything about the PTO lever? and the three point hitch control? I remember the PTO lever being topped with a yellow splined-looking knob in between the two shift levers. Lifting it up (towards the front of the tractor) engages the pto. When the tractor is not running it won't stay in that position as it's a hydraulically-engaged wet-clutch. Down is off but pushed down all the way is the pto brake position. Useful for stopping the blades of a rotary mower and such. Usually the detent goes south quickly so the lever just drops into the brake position. The three-point hitch control will be right next to the hydraulic control lever. It slides in a arc-shaped slot with a couple of screw-nut stops to serve as depth-stops. Set them at the top and bottom of your desired range and slide the lever between them. The lever position should stay wherever you put it and the hitch arms should mirror that position. The two foot pedals on your right side are of course the brake pedals. The bar over them is to lock them together for high-speed (for a tractor) use. You don't want to mash only one brake at 18 mph on the road in an emergency. Individual brakes are important in muddy or icy conditions when your front tires don't have enough bit to turn the tractor. Leave them uncoupled unless you really don't trust yourself to put your foot in the middle of the two and press them both. Sometimes one or the other brake circuit gets a little air in it and you don't get even braking with them locked together. That's something to find out before you need it. I don't think there were glow-plugs on 1830's. They have a little bathtub-faucet-looking thing under the dash with a silver cap on the bottom. You unscrew the cap, take the top squirting thing off a can of ether and push it up into the faucet for a second while you are cranking it over. Usually the tiny line gets plugged where it enters the manifold so that it won't start. Just locate the air intake behind one the front-side grills and give it a shot in there. Jason Marshall Marshall Seed & Forage Co. Manitoba, Canada |
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What's that Lassie? You say that "
" fell down the old rec.crafts.metalworking mine and will die if we don't mount a rescue by Tue, 24 Aug 2004 10:04:18 -0500: snip of good info I don't think there were glow-plugs on 1830's. They have a little bathtub-faucet-looking thing under the dash with a silver cap on the bottom. You unscrew the cap, take the top squirting thing off a can of ether and push it up into the faucet for a second while you are cranking it over. Usually the tiny line gets plugged where it enters the manifold so that it won't start. Just locate the air intake behind one the front-side grills and give it a shot in there. I thought that's what it might be for. But the cap is stuck on but good. Hopefully I won't need to start it in the winter, but it does have a block heater in it. Thanks for all the good info. Very helpful. Would you remember what the big cast lever on the left side of the transmission, just forward of the left axil is for? Since its not the PTO, I can't guess what it's for. -- Dan |
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What's that Lassie? You say that jim rozen fell down the old
rec.crafts.metalworking mine and will die if we don't mount a rescue by 24 Aug 2004 07:13:10 -0700: In article t, asdf says... You're going to kill yourself. From the replies to all the comments that have been made to his questions, this sounds less than probable. Seems like he has a pretty good approach to new equipment. Jim Thanks for the vote of confidence Jim. I do have a healthy respect for powered equipment. My first real job for 12yrs. was in a warehouse driving all manor of forklifts. That's where I learned how to estimate tight clearances. The narrow isle trucks were about 50" wide, and the isles were about 110". That doesn't leave much when half of the isle has a 48" wide pallet in it. -- Dan |
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Looking at an ad for the 1830, I see mention of a differential lock.
Got that found? bob g. dan wrote: What's that Lassie? You say that " " fell down the old rec.crafts.metalworking mine and will die if we don't mount a rescue by Tue, 24 Aug 2004 10:04:18 -0500: snip of good info I don't think there were glow-plugs on 1830's. They have a little bathtub-faucet-looking thing under the dash with a silver cap on the bottom. You unscrew the cap, take the top squirting thing off a can of ether and push it up into the faucet for a second while you are cranking it over. Usually the tiny line gets plugged where it enters the manifold so that it won't start. Just locate the air intake behind one the front-side grills and give it a shot in there. I thought that's what it might be for. But the cap is stuck on but good. Hopefully I won't need to start it in the winter, but it does have a block heater in it. Thanks for all the good info. Very helpful. Would you remember what the big cast lever on the left side of the transmission, just forward of the left axil is for? Since its not the PTO, I can't guess what it's for. |
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dan wrote:
What's that Lassie? You say that " " fell down the old rec.crafts.metalworking mine and will die if we don't mount a rescue by Tue, 24 Aug 2004 10:04:18 -0500: snip of good info I don't think there were glow-plugs on 1830's. They have a little bathtub-faucet-looking thing under the dash with a silver cap on the bottom. You unscrew the cap, take the top squirting thing off a can of ether and push it up into the faucet for a second while you are cranking it over. Usually the tiny line gets plugged where it enters the manifold so that it won't start. Just locate the air intake behind one the front-side grills and give it a shot in there. I thought that's what it might be for. But the cap is stuck on but good. Hopefully I won't need to start it in the winter, but it does have a block heater in it. Thanks for all the good info. Very helpful. Would you remember what the big cast lever on the left side of the transmission, just forward of the left axil is for? Since its not the PTO, I can't guess what it's for. That would be the differential lock. You can either grab the lever with your hand and push it away from the seat or push down on the pedal with your heel depending on which appendage happens to be free to operate a control. It locks the differential in the rear end so both rear tires turn together when you need the traction in muddy or icy conditions. Jason Marshall Marshall Seed & Forage Co. Manitoba, Canada |
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What's that Lassie? You say that Robert Galloway fell down the old
rec.crafts.metalworking mine and will die if we don't mount a rescue by Tue, 24 Aug 2004 19:57:24 -0500: Looking at an ad for the 1830, I see mention of a differential lock. Got that found? Not that I know of. There is a small lever near the hitch raise/lower lever that I don't know about. -- Dan |
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What's that Lassie? You say that "
" fell down the old rec.crafts.metalworking mine and will die if we don't mount a rescue by Tue, 24 Aug 2004 20:34:51 -0500: That would be the differential lock. You can either grab the lever with your hand and push it away from the seat or push down on the pedal with your heel depending on which appendage happens to be free to operate a control. It locks the differential in the rear end so both rear tires turn together when you need the traction in muddy or icy conditions. Thanks, so far I have just used the independent brakes, but a dif. lock would be better. -- Dan |
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I have an 1830 also and you are correct -- for full context, visit https://www.polytechforum.com/metalw...rn-363397-.htm |
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