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I'd like to buy a small lathe
Hi all,
I had a Harbor freight lathe that I bought used. While I got some utility from it, it was rusted after a hurricane damaged my shed roof. I sold it cheap letting someone else do the clean up. So, I want another lathe, I don't want anther HF unit, not even sure I want one of the larger Grizzly Lathes. Might be convinced though. I have looked at Bolton Lathes and they interest me, But I'm really stretching what I want to spend at $2,000 by the time I buy some accessories. I have looked for a used lathe, but I don't want to start with other people problems. Any suggestions what to look at? Mikek |
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On 4/12/2020 1:51 PM, amdx wrote:
Hi all, Â*I had a Harbor freight lathe that I bought used. While I got some utility from it, it was rusted after a hurricane damaged my shed roof. I sold it cheap letting someone else do the clean up. Â*So, I want another lathe, I don't want anther HF unit, not even sure I want one of the larger Grizzly Lathes. Might be convinced though. Â*I have looked at Bolton Lathes and they interest me, But I'm really stretching what I want to spend at $2,000 by the time I buy some accessories. Â* I have looked for a used lathe, but I don't want to start with other people problems. Â*Any suggestions what to look at? Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* Mikek They come with dead centers, would you add $35 for a live center? What other accessories would you add? Mikek |
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On 4/12/2020 11:51 AM, amdx wrote:
Hi all, Â*I had a Harbor freight lathe that I bought used. While I got some utility from it, it was rusted after a hurricane damaged my shed roof. I sold it cheap letting someone else do the clean up. Â*So, I want another lathe, I don't want anther HF unit, not even sure I want one of the larger Grizzly Lathes. Might be convinced though. Â*I have looked at Bolton Lathes and they interest me, But I'm really stretching what I want to spend at $2,000 by the time I buy some accessories. Â* I have looked for a used lathe, but I don't want to start with other people problems. Â*Any suggestions what to look at? Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* Mikek Ask Mark Wieber for one. He has dozens that mysteriously "appeared" in his "shop." |
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On 4/12/2020 11:51 AM, amdx wrote:
Hi all, I had a Harbor freight lathe that I bought used. While I got some utility from it, it was rusted after a hurricane damaged my shed roof. I sold it cheap letting someone else do the clean up. So, I want another lathe, I don't want anther HF unit, not even sure I want one of the larger Grizzly Lathes. Might be convinced though. I have looked at Bolton Lathes and they interest me, But I'm really stretching what I want to spend at $2,000 by the time I buy some accessories. I have looked for a used lathe, but I don't want to start with other people problems. Any suggestions what to look at? Mikek I guess it depends on what you want to do with it. Any lathe similar to the HF lathes is going to need work to be passable. That being said I made parts with my little HF lathe. Little Machines Shop has lathes from $699 to 2349. IN that small lathe category. Chris tends to have better stuff than Harbor Freight. They are in California so I don't know if they are shipping right now. Grizzly also has low price smaller lathes, but they also sell bigger heavier beasts. They even have a smaller one at 4x6 for only $427. Their 7x14 is almost $100 more than Little machine shop, but they have lots of options to look at. Personally I like Precision Mathews, but my PM lathe is a 14x40 that weighs in at 2K lbs and $5K. It came with a ton of options, better specs, and marginally better price than a similar size Grizzly or Bolton. Harbor Freight, and Little Machine Shop don't have anything that size. I have heard negative reports on some of the smaller PM machines, but Precision Mathews will stand behind what they sell and send you anything you need to make it right if you have a problem. I can't really recomend anybody or any machine unconditionally in the smaller size. They all have need to be gone through to be decent. If you know that upfront and expect it then you are fine. |
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On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 13:27:20 -0700, Michael Terrell
wrote: On 4/12/2020 11:51 AM, amdx wrote: Hi all, *I had a Harbor freight lathe that I bought used. While I got some utility from it, it was rusted after a hurricane damaged my shed roof. I sold it cheap letting someone else do the clean up. *So, I want another lathe, I don't want anther HF unit, not even sure I want one of the larger Grizzly Lathes. Might be convinced though. *I have looked at Bolton Lathes and they interest me, But I'm really stretching what I want to spend at $2,000 by the time I buy some accessories. * I have looked for a used lathe, but I don't want to start with other people problems. *Any suggestions what to look at? ****************************** Mikek Ask Mark Wieber for one. He has dozens that mysteriously "appeared" in his "shop." I like my little Myford Super 7. Not a cheap lathe by any standard - but very handy. I'd go for a B series (power crossfeed) if I was looking tofay - but they are pretty hard to find. |
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On 4/12/2020 5:33 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 13:27:20 -0700, Michael Terrell wrote: On 4/12/2020 11:51 AM, amdx wrote: Hi all, Â*I had a Harbor freight lathe that I bought used. While I got some utility from it, it was rusted after a hurricane damaged my shed roof. I sold it cheap letting someone else do the clean up. Â*So, I want another lathe, I don't want anther HF unit, not even sure I want one of the larger Grizzly Lathes. Might be convinced though. Â*I have looked at Bolton Lathes and they interest me, But I'm really stretching what I want to spend at $2,000 by the time I buy some accessories. Â* I have looked for a used lathe, but I don't want to start with other people problems. Â*Any suggestions what to look at? Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* Mikek Ask Mark Wieber for one. He has dozens that mysteriously "appeared" in his "shop." I like my little Myford Super 7. Not a cheap lathe by any standard - but very handy. I'd go for a B series (power crossfeed) if I was looking tofay - but they are pretty hard to find. I've been very happy with my Wards PowerKraftÂ* (Logan Lathe) 10x31 ... but the OP ain't going to find one new these days . The good thing is that Scott Logan is still in business and selling parts for these . Mine is nearly 70 years old and I can still buy most of the wear items from them . -- Snag Yes , I'm old and crochety - and armed . Get outta my woods ! |
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"amdx" wrote in message ...
Hi all, I had a Harbor freight lathe that I bought used. While I got some utility from it, it was rusted after a hurricane damaged my shed roof. I sold it cheap letting someone else do the clean up. So, I want another lathe, I don't want anther HF unit, not even sure I want one of the larger Grizzly Lathes. Might be convinced though. I have looked at Bolton Lathes and they interest me, But I'm really stretching what I want to spend at $2,000 by the time I buy some accessories. I have looked for a used lathe, but I don't want to start with other people problems. Any suggestions what to look at? Mikek ================================================= What do you want to do with it? If it's to make model engines etc you can size the model to the lathe, but for repair parts and prototypes of your bright ideas you may need a larger capacity, perhaps 8", 9" or 10" diameter. Mine is a 10" and I make machinery I designed and repair parts for old equipment. I mostly could have managed with an 8" lathe, maybe a 7", but probably not smaller. When I was building custom electronics I had a little Prazi clone which had enough capacity though I didn't appreciate the lack of half nuts to disengage the carriage from the leadscrew. I turn enough 1" shafting and drill rod to appreciate my lathe's 1-3/8" spindle bore. A bore that won't take 1/2" rod would limit the load capacity of axles you could make. 3/4" is a decent size for loads of several hundred pounds and 5HP motor pulley shafts. Welcome to 2020. Now go home. -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com |
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"amdx" wrote in message ...
.... I have looked at Bolton Lathes and they interest me, But I'm really stretching what I want to spend at $2,000 by the time I buy some accessories. ... Mikek =========================== I used a Smithy lathe/mill when the CNC lathe was busy, which was most of the time. Though I sorely missed my 10" South Bend's smoother controls and better ergonomics it was quite adequate to turn robot parts. The mill section's drive was broken so I can't comment on how useful it is. -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com |
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On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 17:58:50 -0500, Terry Coombs
wrote: On 4/12/2020 5:33 PM, Clare Snyder wrote: On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 13:27:20 -0700, Michael Terrell wrote: On 4/12/2020 11:51 AM, amdx wrote: Hi all, *I had a Harbor freight lathe that I bought used. While I got some utility from it, it was rusted after a hurricane damaged my shed roof. I sold it cheap letting someone else do the clean up. *So, I want another lathe, I don't want anther HF unit, not even sure I want one of the larger Grizzly Lathes. Might be convinced though. *I have looked at Bolton Lathes and they interest me, But I'm really stretching what I want to spend at $2,000 by the time I buy some accessories. * I have looked for a used lathe, but I don't want to start with other people problems. *Any suggestions what to look at? ****************************** Mikek Ask Mark Wieber for one. He has dozens that mysteriously "appeared" in his "shop." I like my little Myford Super 7. Not a cheap lathe by any standard - but very handy. I'd go for a B series (power crossfeed) if I was looking tofay - but they are pretty hard to find. I've been very happy with my Wards PowerKraft* (Logan Lathe) 10x31 ... but the OP ain't going to find one new these days . The good thing is that Scott Logan is still in business and selling parts for these . Mine is nearly 70 years old and I can still buy most of the wear items from them . My Myford is over 40 years old and all parts are still available too. - OOPS - they went out of buisinessrecently- so now it's either an orphan or a collector piece -- and what's available is available from Blueridge equipment in west verginia |
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amdx on Sun, 12 Apr 2020 13:51:33 -0500 typed in
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On Sunday, 12 April 2020 14:51:38 UTC-4, amdx wrote:
Hi all, I had a Harbor freight lathe that I bought used. While I got some utility from it, it was rusted after a hurricane damaged my shed roof. I sold it cheap letting someone else do the clean up. So, I want another lathe, I don't want anther HF unit, not even sure I want one of the larger Grizzly Lathes. Might be convinced though. I have looked at Bolton Lathes and they interest me, But I'm really stretching what I want to spend at $2,000 by the time I buy some accessories. I have looked for a used lathe, but I don't want to start with other people problems. Any suggestions what to look at? Mikek Maybe smaller than you have in mind, but I'm pretty happy with my Grizzly G0602, decent quality and has done most I needed to do so far. I added a live center (like this one, but MT3 https://i.imgur.com/6TBDxh7.png) and a bunch of other tooling including an AXA quick change tool post and carbide insert tooling. Even got some CBN inserts last year that I've not tried out yet. 25mm is listed as the spindle bore, but mine will take 1" (25.4) easy. Best regards, Spehro Pefhany |
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On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 09:27:29 -0700 (PDT), speff
wrote: On Sunday, 12 April 2020 14:51:38 UTC-4, amdx wrote: Hi all, I had a Harbor freight lathe that I bought used. While I got some utility from it, it was rusted after a hurricane damaged my shed roof. I sold it cheap letting someone else do the clean up. So, I want another lathe, I don't want anther HF unit, not even sure I want one of the larger Grizzly Lathes. Might be convinced though. I have looked at Bolton Lathes and they interest me, But I'm really stretching what I want to spend at $2,000 by the time I buy some accessories. I have looked for a used lathe, but I don't want to start with other people problems. Any suggestions what to look at? Mikek Maybe smaller than you have in mind, but I'm pretty happy with my Grizzly G0602, decent quality and has done most I needed to do so far. I added a live center (like this one, but MT3 https://i.imgur.com/6TBDxh7.png) and a bunch of other tooling including an AXA quick change tool post and carbide insert tooling. Even got some CBN inserts last year that I've not tried out yet. 25mm is listed as the spindle bore, but mine will take 1" (25.4) easy. What's THAT say about Chinese precision, eh?? I suppose that allows for tolerance of 500 thou - at worst case 1 " will fit? BG Best regards, Spehro Pefhany |
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... ....... Maybe smaller than you have in mind, but I'm pretty happy with my Grizzly G0602, decent quality and has done most I needed to do so far. I added a live center (like this one, but MT3 https://i.imgur.com/6TBDxh7.png) and a bunch of other tooling including an AXA quick change tool post and carbide insert tooling. Even got some CBN inserts last year that I've not tried out yet. 25mm is listed as the spindle bore, but mine will take 1" (25.4) easy. Best regards, Spehro Pefhany ================================== Good, we need more positive reviews of decent-sized machines that are currently available. It seems quite well equipped for the price. -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com |
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On Sunday, April 12, 2020 at 4:26:37 PM UTC-4, Michael Terrell wrote:
On 4/12/2020 11:51 AM, amdx wrote: Hi all, Â*I had a Harbor freight lathe that I bought used. While I got some utility from it, it was rusted after a hurricane damaged my shed roof. I sold it cheap letting someone else do the clean up. Â*So, I want another lathe, I don't want anther HF unit, not even sure I want one of the larger Grizzly Lathes. Might be convinced though. Â*I have looked at Bolton Lathes and they interest me, But I'm really stretching what I want to spend at $2,000 by the time I buy some accessories. Â* I have looked for a used lathe, but I don't want to start with other people problems. Â*Any suggestions what to look at? Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* Mikek Ask Mark Wieber for one. He has dozens that mysteriously "appeared" in his "shop." Yawn........................... |
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On 4/13/2020 3:34 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 09:27:29 -0700 (PDT), speff wrote: On Sunday, 12 April 2020 14:51:38 UTC-4, amdx wrote: Hi all, I had a Harbor freight lathe that I bought used. While I got some utility from it, it was rusted after a hurricane damaged my shed roof. I sold it cheap letting someone else do the clean up. So, I want another lathe, I don't want anther HF unit, not even sure I want one of the larger Grizzly Lathes. Might be convinced though. I have looked at Bolton Lathes and they interest me, But I'm really stretching what I want to spend at $2,000 by the time I buy some accessories. I have looked for a used lathe, but I don't want to start with other people problems. Any suggestions what to look at? Mikek Maybe smaller than you have in mind, but I'm pretty happy with my Grizzly G0602, decent quality and has done most I needed to do so far. I added a live center (like this one, but MT3 https://i.imgur.com/6TBDxh7.png) and a bunch of other tooling including an AXA quick change tool post and carbide insert tooling. Even got some CBN inserts last year that I've not tried out yet. 25mm is listed as the spindle bore, but mine will take 1" (25.4) easy. What's THAT say about Chinese precision, eh?? I suppose that allows for tolerance of 500 thou - at worst case 1 " will fit? BG I don't think that so much reflects on precision, as it does an accommodation to the American market and Imperial units. Mikek |
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On 4/13/2020 11:27 AM, speff wrote:
On Sunday, 12 April 2020 14:51:38 UTC-4, amdx wrote: Hi all, I had a Harbor freight lathe that I bought used. While I got some utility from it, it was rusted after a hurricane damaged my shed roof. I sold it cheap letting someone else do the clean up. So, I want another lathe, I don't want anther HF unit, not even sure I want one of the larger Grizzly Lathes. Might be convinced though. I have looked at Bolton Lathes and they interest me, But I'm really stretching what I want to spend at $2,000 by the time I buy some accessories. I have looked for a used lathe, but I don't want to start with other people problems. Any suggestions what to look at? Mikek Maybe smaller than you have in mind, but I'm pretty happy with my Grizzly G0602, decent quality and has done most I needed to do so far. I added a live center (like this one, but MT3 https://i.imgur.com/6TBDxh7.png) and a bunch of other tooling including an AXA quick change tool post and carbide insert tooling. Even got some CBN inserts last year that I've not tried out yet. 25mm is listed as the spindle bore, but mine will take 1" (25.4) easy. Best regards, Spehro Pefhany Thanks Spehro, that is useful. Mikek |
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... Maybe smaller than you have in mind, but I'm pretty happy with my Grizzly G0602, decent quality and has done most I needed to do so far. I added a live center (like this one, but MT3 https://i.imgur.com/6TBDxh7.png) and a bunch of other tooling including an AXA quick change tool post and carbide insert tooling. Even got some CBN inserts last year that I've not tried out yet. 25mm is listed as the spindle bore, but mine will take 1" (25.4) easy. Best regards, Spehro Pefhany ================================================== Do you regret not buying the DRO version? ( I bought a 6 jaw chuck for less than the price difference.) -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com |
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On Tue, 14 Apr 2020 08:03:30 -0500, amdx wrote:
On 4/13/2020 3:34 PM, Clare Snyder wrote: On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 09:27:29 -0700 (PDT), speff wrote: On Sunday, 12 April 2020 14:51:38 UTC-4, amdx wrote: Hi all, I had a Harbor freight lathe that I bought used. While I got some utility from it, it was rusted after a hurricane damaged my shed roof. I sold it cheap letting someone else do the clean up. So, I want another lathe, I don't want anther HF unit, not even sure I want one of the larger Grizzly Lathes. Might be convinced though. I have looked at Bolton Lathes and they interest me, But I'm really stretching what I want to spend at $2,000 by the time I buy some accessories. I have looked for a used lathe, but I don't want to start with other people problems. Any suggestions what to look at? Mikek Maybe smaller than you have in mind, but I'm pretty happy with my Grizzly G0602, decent quality and has done most I needed to do so far. I added a live center (like this one, but MT3 https://i.imgur.com/6TBDxh7.png) and a bunch of other tooling including an AXA quick change tool post and carbide insert tooling. Even got some CBN inserts last year that I've not tried out yet. 25mm is listed as the spindle bore, but mine will take 1" (25.4) easy. What's THAT say about Chinese precision, eh?? I suppose that allows for tolerance of 500 thou - at worst case 1 " will fit? BG I don't think that so much reflects on precision, as it does an accommodation to the American market and Imperial units. Mikek Ya didn't see the Big Grin at the end eh??? |
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On 4/14/2020 12:13 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Tue, 14 Apr 2020 08:03:30 -0500, amdx wrote: On 4/13/2020 3:34 PM, Clare Snyder wrote: On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 09:27:29 -0700 (PDT), speff wrote: On Sunday, 12 April 2020 14:51:38 UTC-4, amdx wrote: Hi all, I had a Harbor freight lathe that I bought used. While I got some utility from it, it was rusted after a hurricane damaged my shed roof. I sold it cheap letting someone else do the clean up. So, I want another lathe, I don't want anther HF unit, not even sure I want one of the larger Grizzly Lathes. Might be convinced though. I have looked at Bolton Lathes and they interest me, But I'm really stretching what I want to spend at $2,000 by the time I buy some accessories. I have looked for a used lathe, but I don't want to start with other people problems. Any suggestions what to look at? Mikek Maybe smaller than you have in mind, but I'm pretty happy with my Grizzly G0602, decent quality and has done most I needed to do so far. I added a live center (like this one, but MT3 https://i.imgur.com/6TBDxh7.png) and a bunch of other tooling including an AXA quick change tool post and carbide insert tooling. Even got some CBN inserts last year that I've not tried out yet. 25mm is listed as the spindle bore, but mine will take 1" (25.4) easy. What's THAT say about Chinese precision, eh?? I suppose that allows for tolerance of 500 thou - at worst case 1 " will fit? BG I don't think that so much reflects on precision, as it does an accommodation to the American market and Imperial units. Mikek Ya didn't see the Big Grin at the end eh??? I didn't, but there is a bit of truth in questioning precision on many Chinese products. |
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"amdx" wrote in message ...
...... I didn't, but there is a bit of truth in questioning precision on many Chinese products. =============================================== The remaining precision on old American iron like mine can be questionable too. Fortunately if you measure and understand it you can correct or work around (or frequently ignore) many problems. For example you can measure the out-of-squareness of the crossfeed by facing a disk and testing across the far side with an extended dial indicator, which will read double the error. It won't matter for the average pulley sheave, custom spacer bushing or shortened bolt. Indicating the surfaces of the chuck is another good easy test. I found the worn and unworn sections of my lathe's leadscrew with an indicator, and now cut non-critical threads with the worn section, and critical ones on the tailstock end of a long bar. The limit to your attainable accuracy is what you can measure, not so much what the lathe can do by itself. -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com |
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On Tue, 14 Apr 2020 12:40:10 -0500, amdx wrote:
On 4/14/2020 12:13 PM, Clare Snyder wrote: On Tue, 14 Apr 2020 08:03:30 -0500, amdx wrote: On 4/13/2020 3:34 PM, Clare Snyder wrote: On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 09:27:29 -0700 (PDT), speff wrote: On Sunday, 12 April 2020 14:51:38 UTC-4, amdx wrote: Hi all, I had a Harbor freight lathe that I bought used. While I got some utility from it, it was rusted after a hurricane damaged my shed roof. I sold it cheap letting someone else do the clean up. So, I want another lathe, I don't want anther HF unit, not even sure I want one of the larger Grizzly Lathes. Might be convinced though. I have looked at Bolton Lathes and they interest me, But I'm really stretching what I want to spend at $2,000 by the time I buy some accessories. I have looked for a used lathe, but I don't want to start with other people problems. Any suggestions what to look at? Mikek Maybe smaller than you have in mind, but I'm pretty happy with my Grizzly G0602, decent quality and has done most I needed to do so far. I added a live center (like this one, but MT3 https://i.imgur.com/6TBDxh7.png) and a bunch of other tooling including an AXA quick change tool post and carbide insert tooling. Even got some CBN inserts last year that I've not tried out yet. 25mm is listed as the spindle bore, but mine will take 1" (25.4) easy. What's THAT say about Chinese precision, eh?? I suppose that allows for tolerance of 500 thou - at worst case 1 " will fit? BG I don't think that so much reflects on precision, as it does an accommodation to the American market and Imperial units. Mikek Ya didn't see the Big Grin at the end eh??? I didn't, but there is a bit of truth in questioning precision on many Chinese products. Several home machinist friends talk about having bought a partly assembled lathe kit, or a partly assembled milling machine kit. When they got them home they dissassembled them, did remedial machining and fitting, then did final re-assembly. Had pretty decent machines when they were done |
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I'd like to buy a small lathe
On 15/04/2020 02:07, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Tue, 14 Apr 2020 12:40:10 -0500, amdx wrote: On 4/14/2020 12:13 PM, Clare Snyder wrote: On Tue, 14 Apr 2020 08:03:30 -0500, amdx wrote: On 4/13/2020 3:34 PM, Clare Snyder wrote: On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 09:27:29 -0700 (PDT), speff wrote: On Sunday, 12 April 2020 14:51:38 UTC-4, amdx wrote: Hi all, I had a Harbor freight lathe that I bought used. While I got some utility from it, it was rusted after a hurricane damaged my shed roof. I sold it cheap letting someone else do the clean up. So, I want another lathe, I don't want anther HF unit, not even sure I want one of the larger Grizzly Lathes. Might be convinced though. I have looked at Bolton Lathes and they interest me, But I'm really stretching what I want to spend at $2,000 by the time I buy some accessories. I have looked for a used lathe, but I don't want to start with other people problems. Any suggestions what to look at? Mikek Maybe smaller than you have in mind, but I'm pretty happy with my Grizzly G0602, decent quality and has done most I needed to do so far. I added a live center (like this one, but MT3 https://i.imgur.com/6TBDxh7.png) and a bunch of other tooling including an AXA quick change tool post and carbide insert tooling. Even got some CBN inserts last year that I've not tried out yet. 25mm is listed as the spindle bore, but mine will take 1" (25.4) easy. What's THAT say about Chinese precision, eh?? I suppose that allows for tolerance of 500 thou - at worst case 1 " will fit? BG I don't think that so much reflects on precision, as it does an accommodation to the American market and Imperial units. Mikek Ya didn't see the Big Grin at the end eh??? I didn't, but there is a bit of truth in questioning precision on many Chinese products. Several home machinist friends talk about having bought a partly assembled lathe kit, or a partly assembled milling machine kit. When they got them home they dissassembled them, did remedial machining and fitting, then did final re-assembly. Had pretty decent machines when they were done There was a good write up in IIRC Model Engineer some years ago about the purchase/dismantling and rebuild of a Chinese gear head lathe and it was the usual sand in castings, fettling, and proper assembly. The author thought the parts were of high quality and well machined but assembled by monkeys but after all the work the result was decent . |
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"Clare Snyder" wrote in message
... ................... Several home machinist friends talk about having bought a partly assembled lathe kit, or a partly assembled milling machine kit. When they got them home they dissassembled them, did remedial machining and fitting, then did final re-assembly. Had pretty decent machines when they were done ==================================== That's a cynical joke, the machine is sold mostly or fully assembled and "ready to use" but might as well be a kit of parts that need more careful deburring, final fitting and perhaps better-grade hardware. I had to re-tap all the threaded holes in the 3-in-1 combo sheet metal machine I bought used. The original owner had given up on it and I spent a while fussing with its crude adjustments, but now it works well enough for a hobbyist. In my opinion they are useful machine shop apprentice training as long as you aren't on company time. Identifying and fixing flaws is a valuable skill. Used industrial machinery can have similar problems from wear, and trade school stuff from abuse. -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com |
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"David Billington" wrote in message ...
There was a good write up in IIRC Model Engineer some years ago about the purchase/dismantling and rebuild of a Chinese gear head lathe and it was the usual sand in castings, fettling, and proper assembly. The author thought the parts were of high quality and well machined but assembled by monkeys but after all the work the result was decent . ============================ I generally agree, except that the tee slots on the RF-31 table weren't quite parallel with the dovetails so I had to machine an angled key to mount the vise with its jaws parallel to X. The tee slot needed a bit of single-cut filing to make the key a light friction fit all along its length. I've heard/read that whatever work can be done at home by mothers tending babies is, for social rather than economic reasons, like the 18th century British cottage industries. The specific job mentioned was casting Toyota tail light lenses. There is a low level WW2 aerial photo of a burned-out Japanese residential district with the only things standing being a forest of the ruins of drill presses. It was used to justify more firebombing. -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com |
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On Tuesday, 14 April 2020 09:29:32 UTC-4, Jim Wilkins wrote:
"speff" wrote in message ... Maybe smaller than you have in mind, but I'm pretty happy with my Grizzly G0602, decent quality and has done most I needed to do so far. I added a live center (like this one, but MT3 https://i.imgur.com/6TBDxh7.png) and a bunch of other tooling including an AXA quick change tool post and carbide insert tooling. Even got some CBN inserts last year that I've not tried out yet. 25mm is listed as the spindle bore, but mine will take 1" (25.4) easy. Best regards, Spehro Pefhany ================================================== Do you regret not buying the DRO version? ( I bought a 6 jaw chuck for less than the price difference.) They didn't have the DRO version available when I bought it so no regrets possible. I bought a solid-looking Sino brand DRO with 2 glass 5 micron scales to fit it from a local supplier (Accusize) but have not gotten 'round to installing it yet. I installed a similar 3-axis DRO on my mill years ago and that all went okay. It would be better if they were both the same brand because there are differences in operation. Today I would likely get anything with a decent glass-scale DRO installed if offered at reasonable price. The installation is a bit fiddly. Might consider 1um scales if offered but they'd probably be wasted on me. Since getting it up on the bench and leveled, I have done virtually nothing to it other than installing the QC toolpost and changing the gearbox oil. I was in China for a few weeks last fall and did some online shopping for a bunch of tooling for lathe and mill. Quality of everything was generally top-notch, some of it was imported from Japan (Kyocera/Mistubishi insert tooling) or made in Taiwan (5um ER collets). Nice hefty (1.5kg) Albrecht chuck with Imperial R8 shank. I bought stuff with guaranteed accuracy and materials specified. The opposite of the "free shipping" Ali/Banggood junk. Most of the selection in larger industrial sizes though. I still use my little Sherline occasionally for tiny high-RPM stuff, but mostly not. Another project is to convert that to CNC but it's not going to be great without ballscrews and tiny ballscrews are very expensive. If I won the lottery, of course, I might choose a different set of tools. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKizLfzz7GM --Best regards, Spehro Pefhany |
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On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 13:27:20 -0700, Michael Terrell
wrote: On 4/12/2020 11:51 AM, amdx wrote: Hi all, *I had a Harbor freight lathe that I bought used. While I got some utility from it, it was rusted after a hurricane damaged my shed roof. I sold it cheap letting someone else do the clean up. *So, I want another lathe, I don't want anther HF unit, not even sure I want one of the larger Grizzly Lathes. Might be convinced though. *I have looked at Bolton Lathes and they interest me, But I'm really stretching what I want to spend at $2,000 by the time I buy some accessories. * I have looked for a used lathe, but I don't want to start with other people problems. *Any suggestions what to look at? ****************************** Mikek Ask Mark Wieber for one. He has dozens that mysteriously "appeared" in his "shop." Ha! I fix machinery in machine shops and stumble across lathes now and then. First question..what are you going to be doing with your lathe? Will you be making tiny little RC drone parts..or will you be making rear end parts for coal mining trucks..or somewhere in between? Give us some idea of what you plan to use a lathe for and we can find you something. Gunner __ "Journalists are extremely rare and shouldn’t be harmed, but propagandists are everywhere and should be hunted for sport" Yeah..with no bag limit. -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus |
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On Fri, 17 Apr 2020 08:29:43 -0700 (PDT), speff
wrote: On Tuesday, 14 April 2020 09:29:32 UTC-4, Jim Wilkins wrote: "speff" wrote in message ... Maybe smaller than you have in mind, but I'm pretty happy with my Grizzly G0602, decent quality and has done most I needed to do so far. I added a live center (like this one, but MT3 https://i.imgur.com/6TBDxh7.png) and a bunch of other tooling including an AXA quick change tool post and carbide insert tooling. Even got some CBN inserts last year that I've not tried out yet. 25mm is listed as the spindle bore, but mine will take 1" (25.4) easy. Best regards, Spehro Pefhany ================================================== Do you regret not buying the DRO version? ( I bought a 6 jaw chuck for less than the price difference.) They didn't have the DRO version available when I bought it so no regrets possible. I bought a solid-looking Sino brand DRO with 2 glass 5 micron scales to fit it from a local supplier (Accusize) but have not gotten 'round to installing it yet. I installed a similar 3-axis DRO on my mill years ago and that all went okay. It would be better if they were both the same brand because there are differences in operation. Today I would likely get anything with a decent glass-scale DRO installed if offered at reasonable price. The installation is a bit fiddly. Might consider 1um scales if offered but they'd probably be wasted on me. Since getting it up on the bench and leveled, I have done virtually nothing to it other than installing the QC toolpost and changing the gearbox oil. I was in China for a few weeks last fall and did some online shopping for a bunch of tooling for lathe and mill. Quality of everything was generally top-notch, some of it was imported from Japan (Kyocera/Mistubishi insert tooling) or made in Taiwan (5um ER collets). Nice hefty (1.5kg) Albrecht chuck with Imperial R8 shank. I bought stuff with guaranteed accuracy and materials specified. The opposite of the "free shipping" Ali/Banggood junk. Most of the selection in larger industrial sizes though. I still use my little Sherline occasionally for tiny high-RPM stuff, but mostly not. Another project is to convert that to CNC but it's not going to be great without ballscrews and tiny ballscrews are very expensive. If I won the lottery, of course, I might choose a different set of tools. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKizLfzz7GM --Best regards, Spehro Pefhany Chinese lathes CAN be a good deal. Or a nightmare. It depends on the size for one thing. NEVER buy a 9" Chicom lathe. Ever. It will be utter junk. You may be able to run it after you have stripped it and carefully put it back together...but it will be at best..a good wood lathe and a "meh" metal lathe. I suspect..and not all that jokingly..that the various 9" lathes are used to train newbies in machining and assembly at the factories. Brrrr. And once again...what are you needing a lathe for? I may be able to find you something that is far better than you can get from China. True..the Chinese can and do make WONDERFUL lathes..but they are going to be industrial machines..not hobby or cross over machines...a "cross over machine" being a machine tool that a hobbiest or just getting started tiny machine shop would first get and carefully used to earn enough money to buy a real lathe. Gunner __ "Journalists are extremely rare and shouldn’t be harmed, but propagandists are everywhere and should be hunted for sport" Yeah..with no bag limit. -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus |
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been using a grizzly 9x20 for about 15 years..
sure works well https://i.postimg.cc/vm4ZjrCM/grizzly-side.jpg Charl |
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"xman charl" wrote in message
... been using a grizzly 9x20 for about 15 years.. sure works well https://i.postimg.cc/vm4ZjrCM/grizzly-side.jpg Charl ========================= What have you found to be its limits of size, accuracy and difficult material? |
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On 4/24/2020 1:43 PM, xman charl wrote:
been using a grizzly 9x20 for about 15 years.. sure works well https://i.postimg.cc/vm4ZjrCM/grizzly-side.jpg Charl I've been running a Logan (Wards PowrKraft labeled) built in 1952 for longer than that . It also works very well . -- Snag Yes , I'm old and crotchety - and armed . Get outta my woods ! |
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"Snag" wrote in message ...
On 4/24/2020 1:43 PM, xman charl wrote: been using a grizzly 9x20 for about 15 years.. sure works well https://i.postimg.cc/vm4ZjrCM/grizzly-side.jpg Charl I've been running a Logan (Wards PowrKraft labeled) built in 1952 for longer than that . It also works very well . -- Snag =================================== I like Old American Iron too (1965 SB Heavy 10), but newbie looking for a hobby lathe recommendation is pretty much limited to current production. |
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On Sunday, April 12, 2020 at 1:51:38 PM UTC-5, amdx wrote:
Hi all, I had a Harbor freight lathe that I bought used. While I got some utility from it, it was rusted after a hurricane damaged my shed roof. I sold it cheap letting someone else do the clean up. So, I want another lathe, I don't want anther HF unit, not even sure I want one of the larger Grizzly Lathes. Might be convinced though. I have looked at Bolton Lathes and they interest me, But I'm really stretching what I want to spend at $2,000 by the time I buy some accessories. I have looked for a used lathe, but I don't want to start with other people problems. Any suggestions what to look at? Mikek I found a used Grizzly at a steal. It was almost new, not used alot. The tooling that was included was worth more than what I paid for the Lathe. expect to spend quite a bit on tooling. You can purchase as you need it. In my opinion buy as much of a lathe as you can possibly afford. |
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I found a used Grizzly at a steal. It was almost new, not used alot. The
tooling that was included was worth more than what I paid for the Lathe. expect to spend quite a bit on tooling. You can purchase as you need it. In my opinion buy as much of a lathe as you can possibly afford. In my opinion a 10" to 12" lathe with 5C collets is enough unless you -know- you'll need a larger one. An 8" or 9" lathe with 3 and 4 jaw chucks would have handled almost all of my projects. Same some money for the milling machine. |
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