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Clutch master cylinder rebuild kits?
While on my way to LA this morning, the ##!!%&!!! plastic hydraulic
line from my clutch slave to the clutch master blew out. Nifty 3/16" hole in the side of it. No idea why it did this. Ok..so I manage to creep up to the nearest town, and buy a piece of 3/8 gas line, some clamps and brake fluid and cut the line, and sleeved it. Since the Mazda/Ranger pickups use a ******* master cylinder, the only possible way to bleed one is to lift the floor mat, pull off the starter override switch and pop the snap ring that holds the piston inside. This I did. I gently pulled it upwards until I got a bit of brake fluid tricking out, then replaced everything, refilled the reservoir, and tried the clutch. This resulted in a stream of break fluid spewing out of the end of the master cylinder. Taking it all back apart again, I completely removed the piston, inspected the two cup seals, back flushed with clean brake fluid..and reassembled. Still blew brake fluid. At this point I was screwed, so starting it in gear, I drove back down the Grapevine , and the 40 odd miles to my home, with no clutch. Going around to all of the parts houses..no one stocks a rebuild kit for the master cylinder and they all want $90USD for a new complete cylinder assembly. WTF?????????????? Are rebuild kits no longer available? Like I really can afford to spend $90 for two cup seals no bigger than .5" in diameter. #$%!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Gunner "There is no difference between communism and socialism, except in the means of achieving the same ultimate end: communism proposes to enslave men by force, socialism - by vote. It is merely the difference between murder and suicide." - Ayn Rand, from "Foreign Policy Drains U.S. of Main Weapons" |
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What year truck?
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On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 18:11:12 -0700, michael
wrote: What year truck? michael 1994 Mazda B3000. Same as the Ford Ranger. Gunner "There is no difference between communism and socialism, except in the means of achieving the same ultimate end: communism proposes to enslave men by force, socialism - by vote. It is merely the difference between murder and suicide." - Ayn Rand, from "Foreign Policy Drains U.S. of Main Weapons" |
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On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 00:04:24 GMT, Gunner
wrote: While on my way to LA this morning, the ##!!%&!!! plastic hydraulic line from my clutch slave to the clutch master blew out. Nifty 3/16" hole in the side of it. No idea why it did this. Ok..so I manage to creep up to the nearest town, and buy a piece of 3/8 gas line, some clamps and brake fluid and cut the line, and sleeved it. Since the Mazda/Ranger pickups use a ******* master cylinder, the only possible way to bleed one is to lift the floor mat, pull off the starter override switch and pop the snap ring that holds the piston inside. This I did. I gently pulled it upwards until I got a bit of brake fluid tricking out, then replaced everything, refilled the reservoir, and tried the clutch. This resulted in a stream of break fluid spewing out of the end of the master cylinder. Taking it all back apart again, I completely removed the piston, inspected the two cup seals, back flushed with clean brake fluid..and reassembled. Still blew brake fluid. At this point I was screwed, so starting it in gear, I drove back down the Grapevine , and the 40 odd miles to my home, with no clutch. Going around to all of the parts houses..no one stocks a rebuild kit for the master cylinder and they all want $90USD for a new complete cylinder assembly. WTF?????????????? Are rebuild kits no longer available? Like I really can afford to spend $90 for two cup seals no bigger than .5" in diameter. #$%!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Gunner How about a guess since your in trouble? Maybe the problem is with the slave which caused the line to break form over pressure. If the cups look ok you should be able to hold your tongue just right and get it together without leaking till you find new parts. Maybe twist it in. Plastic line that goes down under a vehicle where one rock or branch could break it? What's this world coming to? The last pool I did had plastic fences in the neighborhood and the one I'm on now has the top cap of the block wall glued on with liquid nails and a sloppy job at that. Wish I could help , but even my Toy's hydraulic clutch gets me to scratching my head at times. Once in awhile it will start acting like I ran it out of fluid and I'll check it all out and find nothing and then it will start working again. |
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"Gunner" wrote in message ... At this point I was screwed, so starting it in gear, I drove back down the Grapevine , and the 40 odd miles to my home, with no clutch. For the standard-impaired... How do you drive without a clutch? I understand it's not hard to shift up, but down? Or did you just stay in 1st the whole way? Regards, Robin |
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On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 18:11:12 -0700, michael wrote: What year truck? michael 1994 Mazda B3000. Same as the Ford Ranger. Gunner I'll ask about tomorrow. Someone may have a kit or master gathering dust. Buckshot's Daddy "There is no difference between communism and socialism, except in the means of achieving the same ultimate end: communism proposes to enslave men by force, socialism - by vote. It is merely the difference between murder and suicide." - Ayn Rand, from "Foreign Policy Drains U.S. of Main Weapons" |
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On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 18:52:06 -0700, Sunworshipper
wrote: On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 00:04:24 GMT, Gunner wrote: While on my way to LA this morning, the ##!!%&!!! plastic hydraulic line from my clutch slave to the clutch master blew out. Nifty 3/16" hole in the side of it. No idea why it did this. Ok..so I manage to creep up to the nearest town, and buy a piece of 3/8 gas line, some clamps and brake fluid and cut the line, and sleeved it. Since the Mazda/Ranger pickups use a ******* master cylinder, the only possible way to bleed one is to lift the floor mat, pull off the starter override switch and pop the snap ring that holds the piston inside. This I did. I gently pulled it upwards until I got a bit of brake fluid tricking out, then replaced everything, refilled the reservoir, and tried the clutch. This resulted in a stream of break fluid spewing out of the end of the master cylinder. Taking it all back apart again, I completely removed the piston, inspected the two cup seals, back flushed with clean brake fluid..and reassembled. Still blew brake fluid. At this point I was screwed, so starting it in gear, I drove back down the Grapevine , and the 40 odd miles to my home, with no clutch. Going around to all of the parts houses..no one stocks a rebuild kit for the master cylinder and they all want $90USD for a new complete cylinder assembly. WTF?????????????? Are rebuild kits no longer available? Like I really can afford to spend $90 for two cup seals no bigger than .5" in diameter. #$%!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Gunner How about a guess since your in trouble? Maybe the problem is with the slave which caused the line to break form over pressure. If the cups look ok you should be able to hold your tongue just right and get it together without leaking till you find new parts. Maybe twist it in. I honed the inside of the cylinder, and twisted it in. Its working now. At least for a while. Plastic line that goes down under a vehicle where one rock or branch could break it? What's this world coming to? The last pool I did had plastic fences in the neighborhood and the one I'm on now has the top cap of the block wall glued on with liquid nails and a sloppy job at that. The hole looked exactly like somone fired a BB from the inside. Really strange. I put a brass double ended ferral compression fitting on as a splice and a bit of 3/16 tubing inside to compress against. Seems to be holding pressure..so far. Wish I could help , but even my Toy's hydraulic clutch gets me to scratching my head at times. Once in awhile it will start acting like I ran it out of fluid and I'll check it all out and find nothing and then it will start working again. It wouldnt be so bad, as the truck has 337,000 miles on it, but I put a new master cylinder on it less than a year ago when the $%#@!!!! slave cylinder went into meltdown. That ******* wraps around the pilot shaft INSIDE the bell housing and carries the throw out bearing. So to replace it, you have to drop the tranny. And its nearly all plastic and when it goes into melt down..it really does melt down. I figured that it was time to replace everything clutch related, so I did. Gunner "There is no difference between communism and socialism, except in the means of achieving the same ultimate end: communism proposes to enslave men by force, socialism - by vote. It is merely the difference between murder and suicide." - Ayn Rand, from "Foreign Policy Drains U.S. of Main Weapons" |
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"Robin S." wrote in
: "Gunner" wrote in message ... At this point I was screwed, so starting it in gear, I drove back down the Grapevine , and the 40 odd miles to my home, with no clutch. For the standard-impaired... How do you drive without a clutch? I understand it's not hard to shift up, but down? Or did you just stay in 1st the whole way? Regards, Robin You match engine RPM to tranny (road) speed. Learned this years ago when driving big trucks that had no synchro's. You didn't drive them with a clutch. The clutch was only for stopping/starting. -- Anthony You can't 'idiot proof' anything....every time you try, they just make better idiots. Remove sp to reply via email |
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It wouldnt be so bad, as the truck has 337,000 miles on it, but I put a new master cylinder on it less than a year ago when the $%#@!!!! slave cylinder went into meltdown. That ******* wraps around the pilot shaft INSIDE the bell housing and carries the throw out bearing. So to replace it, you have to drop the tranny. And its nearly all plastic and when it goes into melt down..it really does melt down. I figured that it was time to replace everything clutch related, so I did. Gunner That doesn't sound like fun, on my Toy its on the outside of the tranny and it's all metal. Lots of luck. |
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On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 09:46:23 GMT, Anthony
calmly ranted: "Robin S." wrote in m: "Gunner" wrote in message ... At this point I was screwed, so starting it in gear, I drove back down the Grapevine , and the 40 odd miles to my home, with no clutch. For the standard-impaired... How do you drive without a clutch? I understand it's not hard to shift up, but down? Or did you just stay in 1st the whole way? You match engine RPM to tranny (road) speed. Learned this years ago when driving big trucks that had no synchro's. You didn't drive them with a clutch. The clutch was only for stopping/starting. Dad, who learned how to drive before they HAD synchros in trannies, taught that to me when I had my old Corvair. I'd amaze friends when I drove around town, up/down-shifting the whole time without the clutch except at stop signs/lights. Poor Robin has led a sheltered life. Another thing I learned with that Corvair is that I could shut the key off just before coming up on some friend, then turn it back on just as I go to them. The glasspacks would be full of gas and the ignition switch would light it. It sounded like a cherry bomb went off right next to them. I stopped that practice when one guy threw a rock at me for scaring him. Ahh, the charm of youth! -- ------------------------------------------------------- Never underestimate the innate animosity of inanimate objects. ---- http://diversify.com Dynamic Website Applications |
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Gunner wrote:
The hole looked exactly like somone fired a BB from the inside. Really strange. That sounds like the classic failure mode for plastic flex line. A little kink or bend forms a bubble and blows out under pressure. Leaves a dragged out bit of thin plastic around the hole. Looks like a bullet hole, without an entry. Yech! Any U-pick wreckers in your 'hood ? Around here I can figure on spending about $8 for a clucth cylinder of any sort, from the places I shop. If you go that way, grab a spare... :-) I have been finding the parts dealers don't want to stock the nickel and dime rebuild kits as much as they used to. I recently had to spend about 45 minutes on the phone to find someone that would even admit that I could get a clutch disc for my 86 B2000, without having to buy a complete kit for $200. UAP NAPA has been good to me, in general. Good luck! Cheers Trevor Jones |
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Gunner wrote:
While on my way to LA this morning, the ##!!%&!!! plastic hydraulic line from my clutch slave to the clutch master blew out. Nifty 3/16" hole in the side of it. No idea why it did this. Ok..so I manage to creep up to the nearest town, and buy a piece of 3/8 gas line, some clamps and brake fluid and cut the line, and sleeved it. Since the Mazda/Ranger pickups use a ******* master cylinder, the only possible way to bleed one is to lift the floor mat, pull off the starter override switch and pop the snap ring that holds the piston inside. This I did. I gently pulled it upwards until I got a bit of brake fluid tricking out, then replaced everything, refilled the reservoir, and tried the clutch. This resulted in a stream of break fluid spewing out of the end of the master cylinder. Taking it all back apart again, I completely removed the piston, inspected the two cup seals, back flushed with clean brake fluid..and reassembled. Still blew brake fluid. At this point I was screwed, so starting it in gear, I drove back down the Grapevine , and the 40 odd miles to my home, with no clutch. Going around to all of the parts houses..no one stocks a rebuild kit for the master cylinder and they all want $90USD for a new complete cylinder assembly. WTF?????????????? Are rebuild kits no longer available? Like I really can afford to spend $90 for two cup seals no bigger than .5" in diameter. #$%!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Gunner "There is no difference between communism and socialism, except in the means of achieving the same ultimate end: communism proposes to enslave men by force, socialism - by vote. It is merely the difference between murder and suicide." - Ayn Rand, from "Foreign Policy Drains U.S. of Main Weapons" A prime example of why I wouldn't touch anything made by Ford, and haven't since 1965... Bob |
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"Robin S." wrote: "Gunner" wrote in message ... At this point I was screwed, so starting it in gear, I drove back down the Grapevine , and the 40 odd miles to my home, with no clutch. For the standard-impaired... How do you drive without a clutch? I understand it's not hard to shift up, but down? Or did you just stay in 1st the whole way? Simple rule of thumb: When upshifting, your revs drop to match the new gear. When downshifting, your revs rise to meet the new gear. Basic process: I've got an upshift coming up. Pull the tranny out of gear. Allow engine to wind down to approximately the right range (and this is almost always a "practice until you figure it out for this particular car" concept). Revs are about right? OK, try for the gear I'm wanting. Maybe need to play with the throttle a little to match up more closely. Once I'm in the new gear, mash or release the throttle as needed to achieve desired ground speed. Done. Downshifting is exactly the reverse: Pull it out of the gear you're in, wind the engine up to the right revs (again, a "learn by practice" thing) for the ground speed you're doing, then try for the gear you're looking for, playing with the throttle as needed to get it to fall in. The key concept involved is this: At any given speed, in a specific gear, there is an engine RPM that exactly matches the speed the input shaft of the transmission is turning. You're looking for that engine speed. Once you find it on a given vehicle, that's your shift point in and out of that gear. As long as the ground speed and engine RPMs match, you'll be able to shift into or out of that gear with either no grind at all, or only the tiniest bit of grind. A real-world example... My '82 Mazda 626 is rolling along at 25 MPH according to the speedo. What gear I'm currently in is irrelevant - I might even be in neutral. Because I know this car well, I know that if I wind the engine up to *ABOUT* 3500 RPM, I'll be able to slip into first without too much, if any, trouble or grind. If I want second gear, I need to dump RPMs until I hit roughly 2K on the tach. If I want third, then I'm going to have to drop the RPMs to about 1300. For fourth, I need my revs at about 900. (which is right up against the limit of practical for this car) For fifth, I can just plain forget it at 25MPH. Nothing I can do from the driver's seat can get the engine slowed down enough to match the speed of the input shaft. In theory, about 400-500 RPM should let me do it, but since this engine idles at 650-750 RPM depending on whether the AC is on or not, it's simply not going to happen without a lot of grinding and cussing, and even with a liberal amount of both, still probably won't happen. -- Don Bruder - - New Email policy in effect as of Feb. 21, 2004. Short form: I'm trashing EVERY E-mail that doesn't contain a password in the subject unless it comes from a "whitelisted" (pre-approved by me) address. See http://www.sonic.net/~dakidd/main/contact.html for full details. |
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On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 06:10:49 -0600, Trevor Jones
wrote: Gunner wrote: The hole looked exactly like somone fired a BB from the inside. Really strange. That sounds like the classic failure mode for plastic flex line. A little kink or bend forms a bubble and blows out under pressure. Leaves a dragged out bit of thin plastic around the hole. Looks like a bullet hole, without an entry. Yech! Any U-pick wreckers in your 'hood ? Around here I can figure on spending about $8 for a clucth cylinder of any sort, from the places I shop. If you go that way, grab a spare... :-) I have been finding the parts dealers don't want to stock the nickel and dime rebuild kits as much as they used to. I recently had to spend about 45 minutes on the phone to find someone that would even admit that I could get a clutch disc for my 86 B2000, without having to buy a complete kit for $200. UAP NAPA has been good to me, in general. Good luck! Cheers Trevor Jones Ive haunted all the pick a parts in my neck of the woods and as yet have to be able to find this particular model. They seem to run forever. I really really need to find one that had been wrecked from the rear, as all my smog parts are original, including the O2 sensors and really need total replacement. I need to be able to strip one down. I keep looking though. Gunner "There is no difference between communism and socialism, except in the means of achieving the same ultimate end: communism proposes to enslave men by force, socialism - by vote. It is merely the difference between murder and suicide." - Ayn Rand, from "Foreign Policy Drains U.S. of Main Weapons" |
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Gunner
Try to locate a brake cylinder repair kit with the corect cup size. many of the older parts stores had the individual cups available. JRW Gunner wrote in message . .. While on my way to LA this morning, the ##!!%&!!! plastic hydraulic line from my clutch slave to the clutch master blew out. Nifty 3/16" hole in the side of it. No idea why it did this. Ok..so I manage to creep up to the nearest town, and buy a piece of 3/8 gas line, some clamps and brake fluid and cut the line, and sleeved it. Since the Mazda/Ranger pickups use a ******* master cylinder, the only possible way to bleed one is to lift the floor mat, pull off the starter override switch and pop the snap ring that holds the piston inside. This I did. I gently pulled it upwards until I got a bit of brake fluid tricking out, then replaced everything, refilled the reservoir, and tried the clutch. This resulted in a stream of break fluid spewing out of the end of the master cylinder. Taking it all back apart again, I completely removed the piston, inspected the two cup seals, back flushed with clean brake fluid..and reassembled. Still blew brake fluid. At this point I was screwed, so starting it in gear, I drove back down the Grapevine , and the 40 odd miles to my home, with no clutch. Going around to all of the parts houses..no one stocks a rebuild kit for the master cylinder and they all want $90USD for a new complete cylinder assembly. WTF?????????????? Are rebuild kits no longer available? Like I really can afford to spend $90 for two cup seals no bigger than .5" in diameter. #$%!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Gunner "There is no difference between communism and socialism, except in the means of achieving the same ultimate end: communism proposes to enslave men by force, socialism - by vote. It is merely the difference between murder and suicide." - Ayn Rand, from "Foreign Policy Drains U.S. of Main Weapons" |
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Gunner wrote: It wouldnt be so bad, as the truck has 337,000 miles on it, but I put a new master cylinder on it less than a year ago when the $%#@!!!! slave cylinder went into meltdown. That ******* wraps around the pilot shaft INSIDE the bell housing and carries the throw out bearing. So to replace it, you have to drop the tranny. And its nearly all plastic and when it goes into melt down..it really does melt down. Yeah, my experience has been that replacement parts NEVER last as long as the originals. Oh, except that time the pressure plate blew on my Vega with 18000 miles on it! I had a choice of 2 clutch discs, about 7.5" and 14" and of course chose the big one. It was now practically impossible for anyone but me to drive it (one I learned the magic clutch trick that I called the "inertial dump", contrary to proper technique in all other vehicles) but the big clutch disc was still going strong at 76000 miles! Otherwise, absolutely NOTHING I've ever replaced on a car lasted as long as the original part. Jon |
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Trick to get cup seals back in Was: Clutch master cylinder rebuild kits?
This is a trick I use to get cup seals back in without damage:
Get some thin string, preferably the least "fuzzy" you can find. Very fine monofilament nylon is best. When you are ready to put the cup seal into the cylinder (Master or Slave - both work) carefully wind the string continuously in a single layer around the cup seal from the outside end to the inside (open) end. This will compress the seal at the cupped open end so that you can insert it easily into the cylinder. Use just enough tension so that the seal is compressed to a smaller diameter than the ID of the cylinder. Insert it only a short distance into the cylinder with the loose far end of the string sticking out enough so that you can pull it out slowly as you unwind it. As you unwind the string, simultaneously slide the cup into the cylinder. When all the string is unwound, the seal should be all the way into the cylinder, with no kinks or wrinkles. This really works. -- Bob (Chief Pilot, White Knuckle Airways) I don't have to like Bush and Cheney (Or Kerry, for that matter) to love America "Sunworshipper" wrote in message ... On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 00:04:24 GMT, Gunner wrote: While on my way to LA this morning, the ##!!%&!!! plastic hydraulic line from my clutch slave to the clutch master blew out. Nifty 3/16" hole in the side of it. No idea why it did this. Ok..so I manage to creep up to the nearest town, and buy a piece of 3/8 gas line, some clamps and brake fluid and cut the line, and sleeved it. Since the Mazda/Ranger pickups use a ******* master cylinder, the only possible way to bleed one is to lift the floor mat, pull off the starter override switch and pop the snap ring that holds the piston inside. This I did. I gently pulled it upwards until I got a bit of brake fluid tricking out, then replaced everything, refilled the reservoir, and tried the clutch. This resulted in a stream of break fluid spewing out of the end of the master cylinder. Taking it all back apart again, I completely removed the piston, inspected the two cup seals, back flushed with clean brake fluid..and reassembled. Still blew brake fluid. At this point I was screwed, so starting it in gear, I drove back down the Grapevine , and the 40 odd miles to my home, with no clutch. Going around to all of the parts houses..no one stocks a rebuild kit for the master cylinder and they all want $90USD for a new complete cylinder assembly. WTF?????????????? Are rebuild kits no longer available? Like I really can afford to spend $90 for two cup seals no bigger than .5" in diameter. #$%!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Gunner How about a guess since your in trouble? Maybe the problem is with the slave which caused the line to break form over pressure. If the cups look ok you should be able to hold your tongue just right and get it together without leaking till you find new parts. Maybe twist it in. Plastic line that goes down under a vehicle where one rock or branch could break it? What's this world coming to? The last pool I did had plastic fences in the neighborhood and the one I'm on now has the top cap of the block wall glued on with liquid nails and a sloppy job at that. Wish I could help , but even my Toy's hydraulic clutch gets me to scratching my head at times. Once in awhile it will start acting like I ran it out of fluid and I'll check it all out and find nothing and then it will start working again. |
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Shifting without the clutch on a tranny WITH syncros is a good way to end up
with a tranny WITHOUT syncros. Unless you are perfect every time, the syncros will jam and produce major wear on the blocker rings. OTOH, I've driven a few miles without a clutch several times in an emergency. You want to be very careful. The last time was in traffic. I tried a quick test to see if the engine would start in first. When I found that it would (geared starter, light car), I just drove it to the garage in stop and go traffic and had them put in a clutch cable (Honda Civic) to replace the one that had snapped. It's really not hard, but you need to be very gentle with your shifts. As the engine approaches the speed where it will be when the gears are meshed, gently ease up against the syncro. When the engine passes the right speed and the match is right, the syncro blocker ring will let the collar pass, and it will drop in. Whatever you do, don't force it in. That's a sure way to cause some damage. It helps to have driven a few crash boxes. The worst I ever had to drive was a '42 Chevy school bus that had a box full of sliding gears. Not even one constant mesh gear, except for top, which was straight through. Like a whole tranmission of unsyncronized first gears. What a bitch to drive, but it developed your skills. -- Bob (Chief Pilot, White Knuckle Airways) I don't have to like Bush and Cheney (Or Kerry, for that matter) to love America "Larry Jaques" wrote in message ... On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 09:46:23 GMT, Anthony calmly ranted: "Robin S." wrote in m: "Gunner" wrote in message ... At this point I was screwed, so starting it in gear, I drove back down the Grapevine , and the 40 odd miles to my home, with no clutch. For the standard-impaired... How do you drive without a clutch? I understand it's not hard to shift up, but down? Or did you just stay in 1st the whole way? You match engine RPM to tranny (road) speed. Learned this years ago when driving big trucks that had no synchro's. You didn't drive them with a clutch. The clutch was only for stopping/starting. Dad, who learned how to drive before they HAD synchros in trannies, taught that to me when I had my old Corvair. I'd amaze friends when I drove around town, up/down-shifting the whole time without the clutch except at stop signs/lights. Poor Robin has led a sheltered life. Another thing I learned with that Corvair is that I could shut the key off just before coming up on some friend, then turn it back on just as I go to them. The glasspacks would be full of gas and the ignition switch would light it. It sounded like a cherry bomb went off right next to them. I stopped that practice when one guy threw a rock at me for scaring him. Ahh, the charm of youth! -- ------------------------------------------------------- Never underestimate the innate animosity of inanimate objects. ---- http://diversify.com Dynamic Website Applications |
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I've got two used ones, with hoses. 1 from my kids 93 and 1 from my 94. You
just need to come to Florida to get them. gary "Gunner" wrote in message ... While on my way to LA this morning, the ##!!%&!!! plastic hydraulic line from my clutch slave to the clutch master blew out. Nifty 3/16" hole in the side of it. No idea why it did this. Ok..so I manage to creep up to the nearest town, and buy a piece of 3/8 gas line, some clamps and brake fluid and cut the line, and sleeved it. Since the Mazda/Ranger pickups use a ******* master cylinder, the only possible way to bleed one is to lift the floor mat, pull off the starter override switch and pop the snap ring that holds the piston inside. This I did. I gently pulled it upwards until I got a bit of brake fluid tricking out, then replaced everything, refilled the reservoir, and tried the clutch. This resulted in a stream of break fluid spewing out of the end of the master cylinder. Taking it all back apart again, I completely removed the piston, inspected the two cup seals, back flushed with clean brake fluid..and reassembled. Still blew brake fluid. At this point I was screwed, so starting it in gear, I drove back down the Grapevine , and the 40 odd miles to my home, with no clutch. Going around to all of the parts houses..no one stocks a rebuild kit for the master cylinder and they all want $90USD for a new complete cylinder assembly. WTF?????????????? Are rebuild kits no longer available? Like I really can afford to spend $90 for two cup seals no bigger than .5" in diameter. #$%!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Gunner "There is no difference between communism and socialism, except in the means of achieving the same ultimate end: communism proposes to enslave men by force, socialism - by vote. It is merely the difference between murder and suicide." - Ayn Rand, from "Foreign Policy Drains U.S. of Main Weapons" |
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"Bob Chilcoat" wrote in message ... This is a trick I use to get cup seals back in without damage: Get some thin string, preferably the least "fuzzy" you can find. Dental floss? (I find more uses for that stuff) Vaughn |
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Clutch master cylinder rebuild kits?
Shifting without the clutch on a tranny WITH syncros is a good way to end up
with a tranny WITHOUT syncros. Unless you are perfect every time, the syncros will jam and produce major wear on the blocker rings. snip It helps to have driven a few crash boxes. The worst I ever had to drive was a '42 Chevy school bus that had a box full of sliding gears. Not even one constant mesh gear, except for top, which was straight through. Like a whole tranmission of unsyncronized first gears. What a bitch to drive, but it developed your skills. -- Bob (Chief Pilot, White Knuckle Airways) This brings back fond memories, Bob.... grin Grew up on a farm and could shift gears on all the farm tractors without clutching - UP and DOWN.... G With the synchros in the tranny, it's actually a lot easier nowadays. It's a good thing to know how to do and a little practice now and then keeps the talent honed... Ken. |
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I've got two used ones, from a 93 and 94 ranger, with hoses, but I'm in
Florida. gary "Gunner" wrote in message ... While on my way to LA this morning, the ##!!%&!!! plastic hydraulic line from my clutch slave to the clutch master blew out. Nifty 3/16" hole in the side of it. No idea why it did this. Ok..so I manage to creep up to the nearest town, and buy a piece of 3/8 gas line, some clamps and brake fluid and cut the line, and sleeved it. Since the Mazda/Ranger pickups use a ******* master cylinder, the only possible way to bleed one is to lift the floor mat, pull off the starter override switch and pop the snap ring that holds the piston inside. This I did. I gently pulled it upwards until I got a bit of brake fluid tricking out, then replaced everything, refilled the reservoir, and tried the clutch. This resulted in a stream of break fluid spewing out of the end of the master cylinder. Taking it all back apart again, I completely removed the piston, inspected the two cup seals, back flushed with clean brake fluid..and reassembled. Still blew brake fluid. At this point I was screwed, so starting it in gear, I drove back down the Grapevine , and the 40 odd miles to my home, with no clutch. Going around to all of the parts houses..no one stocks a rebuild kit for the master cylinder and they all want $90USD for a new complete cylinder assembly. WTF?????????????? Are rebuild kits no longer available? Like I really can afford to spend $90 for two cup seals no bigger than .5" in diameter. #$%!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Gunner "There is no difference between communism and socialism, except in the means of achieving the same ultimate end: communism proposes to enslave men by force, socialism - by vote. It is merely the difference between murder and suicide." - Ayn Rand, from "Foreign Policy Drains U.S. of Main Weapons" |
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Trick to get cup seals back in Was: Clutch master cylinder rebuild kits?
On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 18:22:38 -0400, "Bob Chilcoat"
wrote: This is a trick I use to get cup seals back in without damage: Get some thin string, preferably the least "fuzzy" you can find. Very fine monofilament nylon is best. When you are ready to put the cup seal into the cylinder (Master or Slave - both work) carefully wind the string continuously in a single layer around the cup seal from the outside end to the inside (open) end. This will compress the seal at the cupped open end so that you can insert it easily into the cylinder. Use just enough tension so that the seal is compressed to a smaller diameter than the ID of the cylinder. Insert it only a short distance into the cylinder with the loose far end of the string sticking out enough so that you can pull it out slowly as you unwind it. As you unwind the string, simultaneously slide the cup into the cylinder. When all the string is unwound, the seal should be all the way into the cylinder, with no kinks or wrinkles. This really works. Way cool! Thanks! Gunner "In my humble opinion, the petty carping levied against Bush by the Democrats proves again, it is better to have your eye plucked out by an eagle than to be nibbled to death by ducks." - Norman Liebmann |
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On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 03:40:22 GMT, "Gary Owens"
wrote: I've got two used ones, from a 93 and 94 ranger, with hoses, but I'm in Florida. gary Got any of the smog stuff? 3.0 v6 on the 94 should be the same as mine. With 387,000 on the original smog stuff..it needs changing out, including the O2 sensors Gunner "Gunner" wrote in message .. . While on my way to LA this morning, the ##!!%&!!! plastic hydraulic line from my clutch slave to the clutch master blew out. Nifty 3/16" hole in the side of it. No idea why it did this. Ok..so I manage to creep up to the nearest town, and buy a piece of 3/8 gas line, some clamps and brake fluid and cut the line, and sleeved it. Since the Mazda/Ranger pickups use a ******* master cylinder, the only possible way to bleed one is to lift the floor mat, pull off the starter override switch and pop the snap ring that holds the piston inside. This I did. I gently pulled it upwards until I got a bit of brake fluid tricking out, then replaced everything, refilled the reservoir, and tried the clutch. This resulted in a stream of break fluid spewing out of the end of the master cylinder. Taking it all back apart again, I completely removed the piston, inspected the two cup seals, back flushed with clean brake fluid..and reassembled. Still blew brake fluid. At this point I was screwed, so starting it in gear, I drove back down the Grapevine , and the 40 odd miles to my home, with no clutch. Going around to all of the parts houses..no one stocks a rebuild kit for the master cylinder and they all want $90USD for a new complete cylinder assembly. WTF?????????????? Are rebuild kits no longer available? Like I really can afford to spend $90 for two cup seals no bigger than .5" in diameter. #$%!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Gunner "There is no difference between communism and socialism, except in the means of achieving the same ultimate end: communism proposes to enslave men by force, socialism - by vote. It is merely the difference between murder and suicide." - Ayn Rand, from "Foreign Policy Drains U.S. of Main Weapons" "In my humble opinion, the petty carping levied against Bush by the Democrats proves again, it is better to have your eye plucked out by an eagle than to be nibbled to death by ducks." - Norman Liebmann |
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On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 18:34:39 -0400, "Bob Chilcoat"
calmly ranted: Shifting without the clutch on a tranny WITH syncros is a good way to end up with a tranny WITHOUT syncros. Unless you are perfect every time, the syncros will jam and produce major wear on the blocker rings. It's really not hard, but you need to be very gentle with your shifts. As the engine approaches the speed where it will be when the gears are meshed, gently ease up against the syncro. When the engine passes the right speed and the match is right, the syncro blocker ring will let the collar pass, and it will drop in. Whatever you do, don't force it in. That's a sure way to cause some damage. I used to shift with my hand on the tunnel (easy on my sister's MGB GT with my forefinger or thumb against the base of the shifter) or with the tip of my little finger on the shift knob (Corvair, where the floor was a long way off) for effect. Knowing the sync speed was the key to a keeping the shift force to about 2 ounces as it slides right into gear. To help sync non-sync first gears, shift into reverse before first when you're at a complete stop. It prevents that CHINK you hear so often in movies, where people grind gears. That works with second gear on many boxes, also. It helps to have driven a few crash boxes. The worst I ever had to drive was a '42 Chevy school bus that had a box full of sliding gears. Not even one constant mesh gear, except for top, which was straight through. Like a whole tranmission of unsyncronized first gears. What a bitch to drive, but it developed your skills. Fun! ugh That's where you really learn to listen to RPM and look at speed to know where to both upshift & downshift. -- Friends Don't Let Friends Eat Turkey and Drive -- |
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Trick to get cup seals back in Was: Clutch master cylinder rebuild kits?
In article , Gunner says...
On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 18:22:38 -0400, "Bob Chilcoat" wrote: This is a trick I use to get cup seals back in without damage: Get some thin string, preferably the least "fuzzy" you can find. Very fine monofilament nylon is best. When you are ready to put the cup seal into the cylinder (Master or Slave - both work) carefully wind the string continuously in a single layer around the cup seal from the outside end to the inside (open) end. This will compress the seal at the cupped open end so that you can insert it easily into the cylinder. Use just enough tension so that the seal is compressed to a smaller diameter than the ID of the cylinder. Insert it only a short distance into the cylinder with the loose far end of the string sticking out enough so that you can pull it out slowly as you unwind it. As you unwind the string, simultaneously slide the cup into the cylinder. When all the string is unwound, the seal should be all the way into the cylinder, with no kinks or wrinkles. This really works. Way cool! Thanks! Another way is to use one mill thick brass shim stock. Cut a piece that just fits inside the bore, when rolled up, and be sure to de-burr the edges from shearing, using some 600 grit paper. I roll that into a cylinder, and slip the cups into the part sticking out of the bore. Sometimes I need to put a bit of scotch tape on the seam of the brass to firm it up a bit. Jim -- ================================================== please reply to: JRR(zero) at pkmfgvm4 (dot) vnet (dot) ibm (dot) com ================================================== |
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On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 18:22:38 -0400, "Bob Chilcoat"
wrote: ||This is a trick I use to get cup seals back in without damage: || ||Get some thin string, preferably the least "fuzzy" you can find. Very fine ||monofilament nylon is best. When you are ready to put the cup seal into the ||cylinder (Master or Slave - both work) carefully wind the string ||continuously in a single layer around the cup seal from the outside end to ||the inside (open) end. This will compress the seal at the cupped open end ||so that you can insert it easily into the cylinder. Use just enough tension ||so that the seal is compressed to a smaller diameter than the ID of the ||cylinder. Insert it only a short distance into the cylinder with the loose ||far end of the string sticking out enough so that you can pull it out slowly ||as you unwind it. As you unwind the string, simultaneously slide the cup ||into the cylinder. When all the string is unwound, the seal should be all ||the way into the cylinder, with no kinks or wrinkles. This really works. Hey, this is Metalworking! Proper technique is to chuck a piece of rod stock into the lathe, and bore it to a diameter slightly larger than the small end of the cup, and slightly smaller than the bore of the MC. A through-hole need not be quite as big. Insert the cup into the bore with about 1/6" sticking out (extra points for a step-bore to facilitate this), apply to the MC, and poke it in with a rod from the backside of your new tool. Texas Parts Guy |
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In article , Don Bruder says...
Basic process: I've got an upshift coming up. Pull the tranny out of gear. Allow engine to wind down to approximately the right range (and this is almost always a "practice until you figure it out for this particular car" concept). Revs are about right? OK, try for the gear I'm wanting. Maybe need to play with the throttle a little to match up more closely. Once I'm in the new gear, mash or release the throttle as needed to achieve desired ground speed. Done. Downshifting is exactly the reverse: Pull it out of the gear you're in, wind the engine up to the right revs (again, a "learn by practice" thing) for the ground speed you're doing, then try for the gear you're looking for, playing with the throttle as needed to get it to fall in. The key concept involved is this: At any given speed, in a specific gear, there is an engine RPM that exactly matches the speed the input shaft of the transmission is turning. You're looking for that engine speed. Once you find it on a given vehicle, that's your shift point in and out of that gear. As long as the ground speed and engine RPMs match, you'll be able to shift into or out of that gear with either no grind at all, or only the tiniest bit of grind. Excellent discourse, one of the only ones I've ever seen. It also explains the concept behind double clutching unless I'm mistaken. Thanks. Jim -- ================================================== please reply to: JRR(zero) at pkmfgvm4 (dot) vnet (dot) ibm (dot) com ================================================== |
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On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 18:34:39 -0400, "Bob Chilcoat"
wrote: Shifting without the clutch on a tranny WITH syncros is a good way to end up with a tranny WITHOUT syncros. Unless you are perfect every time, the syncros will jam and produce major wear on the blocker rings. OTOH, I've driven a few miles without a clutch several times in an emergency. You want to be very careful. The last time was in traffic. I tried a quick test to see if the engine would start in first. When I found that it would (geared starter, light car), I just drove it to the garage in stop and go traffic and had them put in a clutch cable (Honda Civic) to replace the one that had snapped. It's really not hard, but you need to be very gentle with your shifts. As the engine approaches the speed where it will be when the gears are meshed, gently ease up against the syncro. When the engine passes the right speed and the match is right, the syncro blocker ring will let the collar pass, and it will drop in. Whatever you do, don't force it in. That's a sure way to cause some damage. It helps to have driven a few crash boxes. The worst I ever had to drive was a '42 Chevy school bus that had a box full of sliding gears. Not even one constant mesh gear, except for top, which was straight through. Like a whole tranmission of unsyncronized first gears. What a bitch to drive, but it developed your skills. IF you've ever mastered a crashbox, with a clutch, shifting a syncro without the clutch is a cinch. I drove a 1943 powerwagon for 2 years (towtruck) and very seldom declutched to shift. My Mini and Vauxhaul Firenza, 53 Dodge, 57 Fargo, 67 Peugot, and '49 VW shifted without benefit of the clutch most of the time. |
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wrote: On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 18:34:39 -0400, "Bob Chilcoat" wrote: Shifting without the clutch on a tranny WITH syncros is a good way to end up with a tranny WITHOUT syncros. Unless you are perfect every time, the syncros will jam and produce major wear on the blocker rings. OTOH, I've driven a few miles without a clutch several times in an emergency. You want to be very careful. The last time was in traffic. I tried a quick test to see if the engine would start in first. When I found that it would (geared starter, light car), I just drove it to the garage in stop and go traffic and had them put in a clutch cable (Honda Civic) to replace the one that had snapped. It's really not hard, but you need to be very gentle with your shifts. As the engine approaches the speed where it will be when the gears are meshed, gently ease up against the syncro. When the engine passes the right speed and the match is right, the syncro blocker ring will let the collar pass, and it will drop in. Whatever you do, don't force it in. That's a sure way to cause some damage. It helps to have driven a few crash boxes. The worst I ever had to drive was a '42 Chevy school bus that had a box full of sliding gears. Not even one constant mesh gear, except for top, which was straight through. Like a whole tranmission of unsyncronized first gears. What a bitch to drive, but it developed your skills. IF you've ever mastered a crashbox, with a clutch, shifting a syncro without the clutch is a cinch. I drove a 1943 powerwagon for 2 years (towtruck) and very seldom declutched to shift. My Mini and Vauxhaul Firenza, 53 Dodge, 57 Fargo, 67 Peugot, and '49 VW shifted without benefit of the clutch most of the time. Does a late 1940s/early 1950s (nobody knows for sure on this particular one - We THINK it's a 1952, but a few items on it seem to say that it could be as early as a '47, and might be as late as a '55) Ferguson (Not Massey-Ferguson, not Fordson - "straight" Ferguson - before either Massey or Ford hooked up with Ferguson) tractor count as a "crashbox"? I suspect it probably does - This critter is/was a serious case of "double-clutch or forget about it" when it came to shifting time. Or even better, "Stop completely, then shift". Trying to shift it clutchless was a lot how I imagine grabbing the business end of a running jackhammer would feel. First time I tried it (accidentally - Foot was out of position, and when I mashed the clutch, it jumped out from under the toe of my boot) my whole arm "buzzed" for half an hour afterwards. -- Don Bruder - - New Email policy in effect as of Feb. 21, 2004. Short form: I'm trashing EVERY E-mail that doesn't contain a password in the subject unless it comes from a "whitelisted" (pre-approved by me) address. See http://www.sonic.net/~dakidd/main/contact.html for full details. |
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Gunner wrote in message . ..
On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 18:11:12 -0700, michael wrote: What year truck? michael 1994 Mazda B3000. Same as the Ford Ranger. Gunner "There is no difference between communism and socialism, except in the means of achieving the same ultimate end: communism proposes to enslave men by force, socialism - by vote. It is merely the difference between murder and suicide." - Ayn Rand, from "Foreign Policy Drains U.S. of Main Weapons" www.rockauto.com shows a rebuilt kit for $15 and change. The interface is javascript so I can't post the url. Part number is Wagner F122577. You can get to it by browsing Mazda - 1994 - b3000 - Brake/wheel hub - Master Cyl repair kit I haven't ordered from these guys yet, but I like their web interface. I'm going to try ordering some stuff this winter. Matt. |
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In article ,
(Matt) wrote: Gunner wrote in message . .. On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 18:11:12 -0700, michael wrote: What year truck? michael 1994 Mazda B3000. Same as the Ford Ranger. Gunner "There is no difference between communism and socialism, except in the means of achieving the same ultimate end: communism proposes to enslave men by force, socialism - by vote. It is merely the difference between murder and suicide." - Ayn Rand, from "Foreign Policy Drains U.S. of Main Weapons" www.rockauto.com shows a rebuilt kit for $15 and change. The interface is javascript so I can't post the url. Part number is Wagner F122577. You can get to it by browsing Mazda - 1994 - b3000 - Brake/wheel hub - Master Cyl repair kit Haven't followed the link to see for sure, but something strikes me odd: A brake kit isn't likely to do a lot of good for a clutch cylinder... -- Don Bruder - - New Email policy in effect as of Feb. 21, 2004. Short form: I'm trashing EVERY E-mail that doesn't contain a password in the subject unless it comes from a "whitelisted" (pre-approved by me) address. See http://www.sonic.net/~dakidd/main/contact.html for full details. |
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It wouldnt be so bad, as the truck has 337,000 miles on it, but I put a new master cylinder on it less than a year ago when the $%#@!!!! slave cylinder went into meltdown. That ******* wraps around the pilot shaft INSIDE the bell housing and carries the throw out bearing. So to replace it, you have to drop the tranny. And its nearly all plastic and when it goes into melt down..it really does melt down. Gunner, Short story - helped my nephew replace the slave on his 94 Ranger - (Yeah, inside the bell housing), so dropped driveshaft, crossmember, exhaust, transfer case, tranny and bell housing - Got his "new" one out of the box - it looked about the same, but was made out of metal instead of plastic, otherwise about the same - and I was glad to see they changed it to a metal case... installed, reassembled everything, got ready to connect the line (one of those special pop-on connectors) and it wouldn't fit - no way, no how.... Parts shop said bring it back - tore everything apart again, returned original out of the truck and the one he bought - here someone, someplace, put the wrong slave in the box with his correct part number on it. Parts guy pulled another off the shelf and it was plastic like the OEM part.... reinstalled AGAIN, and this time the connector fit (like we didn't try that before installing it, hee hee )..... Anyway - helluva job made worse by some jokester or dumbass somewhere... sigh Ken. I figured that it was time to replace everything clutch related, so I did. Gunner "There is no difference between communism and socialism, except in the means of achieving the same ultimate end: communism proposes to enslave men by force, socialism - by vote. It is merely the difference between murder and suicide." - Ayn Rand, from "Foreign Policy Drains U.S. of Main Weapons" |
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On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 22:45:56 GMT, Don Bruder wrote:
In article , (Matt) wrote: Gunner wrote in message . .. On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 18:11:12 -0700, michael wrote: What year truck? michael 1994 Mazda B3000. Same as the Ford Ranger. Gunner "There is no difference between communism and socialism, except in the means of achieving the same ultimate end: communism proposes to enslave men by force, socialism - by vote. It is merely the difference between murder and suicide." - Ayn Rand, from "Foreign Policy Drains U.S. of Main Weapons" www.rockauto.com shows a rebuilt kit for $15 and change. The interface is javascript so I can't post the url. Part number is Wagner F122577. You can get to it by browsing Mazda - 1994 - b3000 - Brake/wheel hub - Master Cyl repair kit Haven't followed the link to see for sure, but something strikes me odd: A brake kit isn't likely to do a lot of good for a clutch cylinder... Ayup. And I dont think Ive ever seen cup seals .5 in diameter. Gunner "In my humble opinion, the petty carping levied against Bush by the Democrats proves again, it is better to have your eye plucked out by an eagle than to be nibbled to death by ducks." - Norman Liebmann |
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Gunner wrote: Haven't followed the link to see for sure, but something strikes me odd: A brake kit isn't likely to do a lot of good for a clutch cylinder... Ayup. And I dont think Ive ever seen cup seals .5 in diameter. If by .5, you mean .5 inch, I've got a stack of four of them sitting here on teh corner of the computer, waiting for me to figure out a better place to park 'em. If you're talking any other unit than inches, then I gott go "Idunno..." -- Don Bruder - - New Email policy in effect as of Feb. 21, 2004. Short form: I'm trashing EVERY E-mail that doesn't contain a password in the subject unless it comes from a "whitelisted" (pre-approved by me) address. See http://www.sonic.net/~dakidd/main/contact.html for full details. |
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On Fri, 13 Aug 2004 06:02:51 GMT, Don Bruder wrote:
In article , Gunner wrote: Haven't followed the link to see for sure, but something strikes me odd: A brake kit isn't likely to do a lot of good for a clutch cylinder... Ayup. And I dont think Ive ever seen cup seals .5 in diameter. If by .5, you mean .5 inch, I've got a stack of four of them sitting here on teh corner of the computer, waiting for me to figure out a better place to park 'em. If you're talking any other unit than inches, then I gott go "Idunno..." I was trying to say brake cup seals .5" in diameter. Brain fart on my part. G Gunner "In my humble opinion, the petty carping levied against Bush by the Democrats proves again, it is better to have your eye plucked out by an eagle than to be nibbled to death by ducks." - Norman Liebmann |