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Choosing a set of drill bits
First: Big shout out to my Drill Doctor. I had to drill three #19 holes in cast iron yesterday and all I had was my set of HF TiN drills. Had to sharpen the bit for each hole, but I did get through the job OK. Drill Doctor made quick work of it.
Second: Enough is enough already. I have had enough screwing around with garbage bits. I'm looking to buy my last set of drill bits. Generally the 115 piece sets (1/16 - 1/2, A-Z, 1-60) fit my needs. I'm not looking to break the bank, but I don't want to cheap out, either. So, I'm looking for suggestions. If you were looking for a complete set of drills, what would you buy? |
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"rangerssuck" wrote in message
... First: Big shout out to my Drill Doctor. I had to drill three #19 holes in cast iron yesterday and all I had was my set of HF TiN drills. Had to sharpen the bit for each hole, but I did get through the job OK. Drill Doctor made quick work of it. Second: Enough is enough already. I have had enough screwing around with garbage bits. I'm looking to buy my last set of drill bits. Generally the 115 piece sets (1/16 - 1/2, A-Z, 1-60) fit my needs. I'm not looking to break the bank, but I don't want to cheap out, either. So, I'm looking for suggestions. If you were looking for a complete set of drills, what would you buy? -------------------------- I long ago (pre-China) bought relatively inexpensive sets from industrial suppliers and replaced the sizes that dulled too quickly from heavier use with Chicago-Latrobe. Mainly those were the numbered and fractional tap and shank sizes, in jobbers and screw machine lengths, with black oxide finish. If you put the replaced and resharpened drills in another index and use them first the better bits aren't at risk from unexpectedly hard mystery metal, such as cast iron. Or the replacement tap size bits can go in a combined tap and drill index. https://www.amazon.com/Huot-12600-Dr.../dp/B00018A20O |
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On 12/1/2019 8:59 AM, rangerssuck wrote: First: Big shout out to my
Drill Doctor. I had to drill three #19 holes in cast iron yesterday and all I had was my set of HF TiN drills. Had to sharpen the bit for each hole, but I did get through the job OK. Drill Doctor made quick work of it. Second: Enough is enough already. I have had enough screwing around with garbage bits. I'm looking to buy my last set of drill bits. Generally the 115 piece sets (1/16 - 1/2, A-Z, 1-60) fit my needs. I'm not looking to break the bank, but I don't want to cheap out, either. So, I'm looking for suggestions. If you were looking for a complete set of drills, what would you buy? I have several HF Sets and a few good quality sets. Hertel, Precision Twist, Chicago Latrobe, etc. I've had questionable grinds out of the box on all of them except amazingly the HF drills. They may be only good for one hole, but they come out of the box sharp. My 3 facet hand grind tends to hold better than their grind though. I've gotten to where I do something different now. I do try to maintain those sets for one off projects, but for sizes I use all the time like 7/21/D/F I buy multiples at a time from McMaster and have bins near my drill press for just those sizes. I do resharpen (mostly freehand), but I never want to have to stop mid project when I am finishing something up because of it. McMaster doesn't list the brands for their loose drills, but I've had good luck with them. I mostly buy stub length screw machine drills from them. Before you say you can't hand grind a #19, I just hand ground a #21 not 20 minutes ago. I do keep a magnifier lamp over my grinder though. It helps a lot. |
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On Sunday, December 1, 2019 at 10:59:51 AM UTC-5, rangerssuck wrote:
First: Big shout out to my Drill Doctor. I had to drill three #19 holes in cast iron yesterday and all I had was my set of HF TiN drills. Had to sharpen the bit for each hole, but I did get through the job OK. Drill Doctor made quick work of it. Second: Enough is enough already. I have had enough screwing around with garbage bits. I'm looking to buy my last set of drill bits. Generally the 115 piece sets (1/16 - 1/2, A-Z, 1-60) fit my needs. I'm not looking to break the bank, but I don't want to cheap out, either. So, I'm looking for suggestions. If you were looking for a complete set of drills, what would you buy? I had a job that involved drilling through stainless electrical control panels last month. Having been ****ed off too many times by my crappy drills, I decided to take a look at some cobalt drills. After doing my research, I decided to take a shot on the Harbor Freight cobalt drills. Holy crap, these are the real deal. A night & day difference from the "HSS" drills they sell. Rather than looking like a boy scout trying to start a fire, these things just make holes. really easy to drill a half-inch hole (in three steps) with a 20V Porter Cable. I bought the less-expensive fractional set and a set of cobalt step drills (which also fly through stainless). I will be watching the sales and jumping on a 115 piece set soon. Just today, I had an HF HSS #21 drill bend(!) while drilling on a drill press in 1/8" aluminum. Not doing this again. Just thought this might be handy information for someone. |
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On Mon, 25 May 2020 12:17:42 -0700 (PDT), rangerssuck
wrote: On Sunday, December 1, 2019 at 10:59:51 AM UTC-5, rangerssuck wrote: First: Big shout out to my Drill Doctor. I had to drill three #19 holes in cast iron yesterday and all I had was my set of HF TiN drills. Had to sharpen the bit for each hole, but I did get through the job OK. Drill Doctor made quick work of it. Second: Enough is enough already. I have had enough screwing around with garbage bits. I'm looking to buy my last set of drill bits. Generally the 115 piece sets (1/16 - 1/2, A-Z, 1-60) fit my needs. I'm not looking to break the bank, but I don't want to cheap out, either. So, I'm looking for suggestions. If you were looking for a complete set of drills, what would you buy? I had a job that involved drilling through stainless electrical control panels last month. Having been ****ed off too many times by my crappy drills, I decided to take a look at some cobalt drills. After doing my research, I decided to take a shot on the Harbor Freight cobalt drills. Holy crap, these are the real deal. A night & day difference from the "HSS" drills they sell. Rather than looking like a boy scout trying to start a fire, these things just make holes. really easy to drill a half-inch hole (in three steps) with a 20V Porter Cable. I bought the less-expensive fractional set and a set of cobalt step drills (which also fly through stainless). I will be watching the sales and jumping on a 115 piece set soon. Just today, I had an HF HSS #21 drill bend(!) while drilling on a drill press in 1/8" aluminum. Not doing this again. Just thought this might be handy information for someone. That one sounds like the drills a former boss bought off a wagon jobber years ago. Were supposed to be "the cat's ass" - when they guy came back to see how he liked them he told him he had gotten it wrong - - they were only good for drilling assholes in balsa-wood teddybears. |
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On 5/25/2020 1:00 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Mon, 25 May 2020 12:17:42 -0700 (PDT), rangerssuck wrote: On Sunday, December 1, 2019 at 10:59:51 AM UTC-5, rangerssuck wrote: First: Big shout out to my Drill Doctor. I had to drill three #19 holes in cast iron yesterday and all I had was my set of HF TiN drills. Had to sharpen the bit for each hole, but I did get through the job OK. Drill Doctor made quick work of it. Second: Enough is enough already. I have had enough screwing around with garbage bits. I'm looking to buy my last set of drill bits. Generally the 115 piece sets (1/16 - 1/2, A-Z, 1-60) fit my needs. I'm not looking to break the bank, but I don't want to cheap out, either. So, I'm looking for suggestions. If you were looking for a complete set of drills, what would you buy? I had a job that involved drilling through stainless electrical control panels last month. Having been ****ed off too many times by my crappy drills, I decided to take a look at some cobalt drills. After doing my research, I decided to take a shot on the Harbor Freight cobalt drills. Holy crap, these are the real deal. A night & day difference from the "HSS" drills they sell. Rather than looking like a boy scout trying to start a fire, these things just make holes. really easy to drill a half-inch hole (in three steps) with a 20V Porter Cable. I bought the less-expensive fractional set and a set of cobalt step drills (which also fly through stainless). I will be watching the sales and jumping on a 115 piece set soon. Just today, I had an HF HSS #21 drill bend(!) while drilling on a drill press in 1/8" aluminum. Not doing this again. Just thought this might be handy information for someone. That one sounds like the drills a former boss bought off a wagon jobber years ago. Were supposed to be "the cat's ass" - when they guy came back to see how he liked them he told him he had gotten it wrong - - they were only good for drilling assholes in balsa-wood teddybears. I've had decent luck with the cobalt drills from HF as well, but to be fair I've had ok luck with their cheaper drills as well. That being said I bought some decent brand name drills for all the standard sizes and a modest metric set. Cleveland, Precision, etc. Some of them I found to be dishearteningly disappointing. Well, until I took them over to the grinder and reground them. |
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"Bob La Londe" wrote in message ...
I've had decent luck with the cobalt drills from HF as well, but to be fair I've had ok luck with their cheaper drills as well. ============================== In steel? |
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On 5/26/2020 8:38 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
"Bob La Londe" wrote in message ... I've had decent luck with the cobalt drills from HF as well, but to be fair I've had ok luck with their cheaper drills as well. ============================== In steel? Yes. Although that's so broad its not really a question. 1018 isn't much harder than aluminum, and I'd challenge any steel drill to punch holes in harder alloys for very long without burning up. (I do have some carbide drills, but I mostly use them for aluminum.) On a project making 304 stainless steel pens (multiples) a couple years ago I was able to drill out more bodies per sharpening with Precision than with HF drills, but out of the box the HF was sharp and the Precision Twist Drill just rubbed. The HF would drill about 3 bodies (both halves) and the Precision would drill 6-10 (both halves) before needing to be resharpened. Yes, better drills are better, but a properly ground drill actually drills. One thing I have noticed is its hard to resharpen small drills, and a lot of the small drills (from several brands) don't look all that sharp under the glass. |
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On Tue, 26 May 2020 12:02:56 -0700, Bob La Londe
wrote: On 5/26/2020 8:38 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote: "Bob La Londe" wrote in message ... I've had decent luck with the cobalt drills from HF as well, but to be fair I've had ok luck with their cheaper drills as well. ============================== In steel? Yes. Although that's so broad its not really a question. 1018 isn't much harder than aluminum, and I'd challenge any steel drill to punch holes in harder alloys for very long without burning up. (I do have some carbide drills, but I mostly use them for aluminum.) On a project making 304 stainless steel pens (multiples) a couple years ago I was able to drill out more bodies per sharpening with Precision than with HF drills, but out of the box the HF was sharp and the Precision Twist Drill just rubbed. The HF would drill about 3 bodies (both halves) and the Precision would drill 6-10 (both halves) before needing to be resharpened. Yes, better drills are better, but a properly ground drill actually drills. One thing I have noticed is its hard to resharpen small drills, and a lot of the small drills (from several brands) don't look all that sharp under the glass. Last time I was in HF I picked up a couple packs of TiN coated small bits. Last evening, second son wanted a ball stud for a custom mount so I grabbed a ball bearing and held it at cherry red (as hot as the propane torch would get it) for a few minutes. After it cooled I put a dimple in it with a diamond burr then one of these bits went through it like cheese, then drilled to size and silver bazed in a section of bolt for a shank. Son was very pleased with the end product. Now that I know I can drill ball bearings, I will have to come up with more ideas. |
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Bob La Londe on Tue, 26 May 2020 12:02:56 -0700
typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following: On 5/26/2020 8:38 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote: "Bob La Londe" wrote in message ... I've had decent luck with the cobalt drills from HF as well, but to be fair I've had ok luck with their cheaper drills as well. ============================== In steel? Yes. Although that's so broad its not really a question. 1018 isn't much harder than aluminum, and I'd challenge any steel drill to punch holes in harder alloys for very long without burning up. (I do have some carbide drills, but I mostly use them for aluminum.) On a project making 304 stainless steel pens (multiples) a couple years ago I was able to drill out more bodies per sharpening with Precision than with HF drills, but out of the box the HF was sharp and the Precision Twist Drill just rubbed. The HF would drill about 3 bodies (both halves) and the Precision would drill 6-10 (both halves) before needing to be resharpened. Yes, better drills are better, but a properly ground drill actually drills. As a friend says "Technique can matter more than tool quality." In this case "cheap sharp drills are better than expensive dull ones." OT3H, I've look at some Henry Taylor carving gouges, but they are shipped "blunt". As in "first you'll have to finish the bevel, then sharpen the edge, then hone it." Which I kind of sort of can do with chisels, but on curved gouges? Not sure I could do that without a lot of learning curve. -- pyotr filipivich "With Age comes Wisdom. Although far too often, Age travels alone." |
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Gerry on Tue, 26 May 2020 23:28:49 -0400
typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following: Last time I was in HF I picked up a couple packs of TiN coated small bits. For some reason, this reminded me of a Learning Experience. Was drilling very small holes with very small tolerances. Discovered that at this size, the TiN coating made the resulting holes "too big". One more thing to keep in mind. -- pyotr filipivich "With Age comes Wisdom. Although far too often, Age travels alone." |
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On 5/27/2020 8:56 AM, pyotr filipivich wrote:
Gerry on Tue, 26 May 2020 23:28:49 -0400 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following: Last time I was in HF I picked up a couple packs of TiN coated small bits. For some reason, this reminded me of a Learning Experience. Was drilling very small holes with very small tolerances. Discovered that at this size, the TiN coating made the resulting holes "too big". One more thing to keep in mind. Its pretty much accepted that drills make over size holes. To remove material I drill. To make straight holes I bore. To make accurately sized holes I ream. However I've found even reamers do not make perfect holes. Material, temperature, and runout all have an affect. If I need a tight hole I'll use an under size reamer with the metal still hot from previous operations (if applicable), and then measure after it cools. Then I'll ream again if necessary. |
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Speaking of TiN coated drills was Followup: Choosing a set of drill bits
On Thursday, May 28, 2020 at 10:26:19 AM UTC-5, Bob La Londe wrote:
On 5/27/2020 8:56 AM, pyotr filipivich wrote: Gerry on Tue, 26 May 2020 23:28:49 -0400 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following: Last time I was in HF I picked up a couple packs of TiN coated small bits. For some reason, this reminded me of a Learning Experience. Was drilling very small holes with very small tolerances. Discovered that at this size, the TiN coating made the resulting holes "too big". One more thing to keep in mind. Its pretty much accepted that drills make over size holes. To remove material I drill. To make straight holes I bore. To make accurately sized holes I ream. However I've found even reamers do not make perfect holes. Material, temperature, and runout all have an affect. If I need a tight hole I'll use an under size reamer with the metal still hot from previous operations (if applicable), and then measure after it cools. Then I'll ream again if necessary. I have slowly been replacing my bits with ones from DrillHog. The Ebay store is less expensive than on Amazon. They are claimed to be made in the US and have a lifetime warranty. Paul |
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On 05/28/2020 07:40 PM, Bob Engelhardt wrote:
On 5/28/2020 11:53 AM, wrote: I have slowly been replacing my bits with ones from DrillHog. The Ebay store is less expensive than on Amazon. They are claimed to be made in the US and have a lifetime warranty. Is a warranty useful? I assume that it would cover breakage, but not anything else. I occasionally break bits, but they are almost always the small, inexpensive ones. Lifetime Warranties can be useless, covering only the originally purchased (and short lived) item, but *not* its replacement. I learned that scam with some ****ty headlights. |
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On Thu, 28 May 2020 20:56:30 -0700, Corvid wrote:
On 05/28/2020 07:40 PM, Bob Engelhardt wrote: On 5/28/2020 11:53 AM, wrote: I have slowly been replacing my bits with ones from DrillHog. The Ebay store is less expensive than on Amazon. They are claimed to be made in the US and have a lifetime warranty. Is a warranty useful? I assume that it would cover breakage, but not anything else. I occasionally break bits, but they are almost always the small, inexpensive ones. Lifetime Warranties can be useless, covering only the originally purchased (and short lived) item, but *not* its replacement. I learned that scam with some ****ty headlights. What lifetime? Often "the lifetime of the original installation" Translated as "untill it fails"? or the replacement is "not the original installation"? Better is "the lifetime of the original owner" Or "transferable to second owner with notice" Or "Will be replaced if it EVER breaks" Lifetime warranty against "failure of workmanship or materials" doesn't really cover much if they can get out of it by saying it was mis-used or claim "normal wear and tear" |
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"Clare Snyder" wrote in message ... On Thu, 28 May 2020 20:56:30 -0700, Corvid wrote: On 05/28/2020 07:40 PM, Bob Engelhardt wrote: On 5/28/2020 11:53 AM, wrote: I have slowly been replacing my bits with ones from DrillHog. The Ebay store is less expensive than on Amazon. They are claimed to be made in the US and have a lifetime warranty. Is a warranty useful? I assume that it would cover breakage, but not anything else. I occasionally break bits, but they are almost always the small, inexpensive ones. Lifetime Warranties can be useless, covering only the originally purchased (and short lived) item, but *not* its replacement. I learned that scam with some ****ty headlights. What lifetime? Often "the lifetime of the original installation" Translated as "untill it fails"? or the replacement is "not the original installation"? Better is "the lifetime of the original owner" Or "transferable to second owner with notice" Or "Will be replaced if it EVER breaks" Lifetime warranty against "failure of workmanship or materials" doesn't really cover much if they can get out of it by saying it was mis-used or claim "normal wear and tear" Many years ago I bought a set of left-hand drills to try removing broken studs. The first drill I tried was a 7/32 and it snagged in the hole and twisted into a right hand! Junk..... |
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On 05/29/2020 09:52 AM, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Thu, 28 May 2020 20:56:30 -0700, Corvid wrote: On 05/28/2020 07:40 PM, Bob Engelhardt wrote: On 5/28/2020 11:53 AM, wrote: I have slowly been replacing my bits with ones from DrillHog. The Ebay store is less expensive than on Amazon. They are claimed to be made in the US and have a lifetime warranty. Is a warranty useful? I assume that it would cover breakage, but not anything else. I occasionally break bits, but they are almost always the small, inexpensive ones. Lifetime Warranties can be useless, covering only the originally purchased (and short lived) item, but *not* its replacement. I learned that scam with some ****ty headlights. What lifetime? The shorter of: a) The lifetime of ink on a slip of paper. b) Where's that receipt? Often "the lifetime of the original installation" Translated as "untill it fails"? or the replacement is "not the original installation"? Better is "the lifetime of the original owner" Or "transferable to second owner with notice" Or "Will be replaced if it EVER breaks" Lifetime warranty against "failure of workmanship or materials" doesn't really cover much if they can get out of it by saying it was mis-used or claim "normal wear and tear" To receive a free replacement, the buyer was required to furnish the original sales receipt. You can only do that once. |
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On Fri, 29 May 2020 12:36:22 -0700, Corvid wrote:
On 05/29/2020 09:52 AM, Clare Snyder wrote: On Thu, 28 May 2020 20:56:30 -0700, Corvid wrote: On 05/28/2020 07:40 PM, Bob Engelhardt wrote: On 5/28/2020 11:53 AM, wrote: I have slowly been replacing my bits with ones from DrillHog. The Ebay store is less expensive than on Amazon. They are claimed to be made in the US and have a lifetime warranty. Is a warranty useful? I assume that it would cover breakage, but not anything else. I occasionally break bits, but they are almost always the small, inexpensive ones. Lifetime Warranties can be useless, covering only the originally purchased (and short lived) item, but *not* its replacement. I learned that scam with some ****ty headlights. What lifetime? The shorter of: a) The lifetime of ink on a slip of paper. b) Where's that receipt? Often "the lifetime of the original installation" Translated as "untill it fails"? or the replacement is "not the original installation"? Better is "the lifetime of the original owner" Or "transferable to second owner with notice" Or "Will be replaced if it EVER breaks" Lifetime warranty against "failure of workmanship or materials" doesn't really cover much if they can get out of it by saying it was mis-used or claim "normal wear and tear" To receive a free replacement, the buyer was required to furnish the original sales receipt. You can only do that once. And good luck if it was printed with a thermal printer - - - |
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On Thu, 28 May 2020 20:56:30 -0700, Corvid wrote:
On 05/28/2020 07:40 PM, Bob Engelhardt wrote: On 5/28/2020 11:53 AM, wrote: I have slowly been replacing my bits with ones from DrillHog. The Ebay store is less expensive than on Amazon. They are claimed to be made in the US and have a lifetime warranty. Is a warranty useful? I assume that it would cover breakage, but not anything else. I occasionally break bits, but they are almost always the small, inexpensive ones. Lifetime Warranties can be useless, covering only the originally purchased (and short lived) item, but *not* its replacement. I learned that scam with some ****ty headlights. Apparently, "Lifetime Warranties" are only in effect for the lifetime of the item covered, thus once it fails it is no longer covered. Navigation devices only get lifetime free maps only until a more advanced device is produced. |
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On Fri, 29 May 2020 14:38:13 -0400, "Phil Kangas"
wrote: "Clare Snyder" wrote in message .. . On Thu, 28 May 2020 20:56:30 -0700, Corvid wrote: On 05/28/2020 07:40 PM, Bob Engelhardt wrote: On 5/28/2020 11:53 AM, wrote: I have slowly been replacing my bits with ones from DrillHog. The Ebay store is less expensive than on Amazon. They are claimed to be made in the US and have a lifetime warranty. Is a warranty useful? I assume that it would cover breakage, but not anything else. I occasionally break bits, but they are almost always the small, inexpensive ones. Lifetime Warranties can be useless, covering only the originally purchased (and short lived) item, but *not* its replacement. I learned that scam with some ****ty headlights. What lifetime? Often "the lifetime of the original installation" Translated as "untill it fails"? or the replacement is "not the original installation"? Better is "the lifetime of the original owner" Or "transferable to second owner with notice" Or "Will be replaced if it EVER breaks" Lifetime warranty against "failure of workmanship or materials" doesn't really cover much if they can get out of it by saying it was mis-used or claim "normal wear and tear" Many years ago I bought a set of left-hand drills to try removing broken studs. The first drill I tried was a 7/32 and it snagged in the hole and twisted into a right hand! Junk..... I have a couple left hand bits that started out right handed, of course they don't have any relief on the lands either. they showed up in boxes of miscellaneous "good stuff" during "Saturday morning shopping" |
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On Wed, 27 May 2020 08:56:14 -0700, pyotr filipivich
wrote: Bob La Londe on Tue, 26 May 2020 12:02:56 -0700 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following: On 5/26/2020 8:38 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote: "Bob La Londe" wrote in message ... I've had decent luck with the cobalt drills from HF as well, but to be fair I've had ok luck with their cheaper drills as well. ============================== In steel? Yes. Although that's so broad its not really a question. 1018 isn't much harder than aluminum, and I'd challenge any steel drill to punch holes in harder alloys for very long without burning up. (I do have some carbide drills, but I mostly use them for aluminum.) On a project making 304 stainless steel pens (multiples) a couple years ago I was able to drill out more bodies per sharpening with Precision than with HF drills, but out of the box the HF was sharp and the Precision Twist Drill just rubbed. The HF would drill about 3 bodies (both halves) and the Precision would drill 6-10 (both halves) before needing to be resharpened. Yes, better drills are better, but a properly ground drill actually drills. As a friend says "Technique can matter more than tool quality." In this case "cheap sharp drills are better than expensive dull ones." OT3H, I've look at some Henry Taylor carving gouges, but they are shipped "blunt". As in "first you'll have to finish the bevel, then sharpen the edge, then hone it." Which I kind of sort of can do with chisels, but on curved gouges? Not sure I could do that without a lot of learning curve. Gouge a hole in some hardwood with the gouge in question. Add some diamond paste to the hole. Replace the gouge in the hole and hone. Profiled rubber sanding forms can be handy for this, too. https://www.leevalley.com/en-us/shop...-sanding-grips -- There is nothing more frightening than ignorance in action. --Johann Wolfgang von Goethe |
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On 2020-05-26, Bob La Londe wrote:
On 5/25/2020 1:00 PM, Clare Snyder wrote: On Mon, 25 May 2020 12:17:42 -0700 (PDT), rangerssuck wrote: On Sunday, December 1, 2019 at 10:59:51 AM UTC-5, rangerssuck wrote: First: Big shout out to my Drill Doctor. I had to drill three #19 holes in cast iron yesterday and all I had was my set of HF TiN drills. Had to sharpen the bit for each hole, but I did get through the job OK. Drill Doctor made quick work of it. Second: Enough is enough already. I have had enough screwing around with garbage bits. I'm looking to buy my last set of drill bits. Generally the 115 piece sets (1/16 - 1/2, A-Z, 1-60) fit my needs. I'm not looking to break the bank, but I don't want to cheap out, either. So, I'm looking for suggestions. If you were looking for a complete set of drills, what would you buy? I had a job that involved drilling through stainless electrical control panels last month. Having been ****ed off too many times by my crappy drills, I decided to take a look at some cobalt drills. After doing my research, I decided to take a shot on the Harbor Freight cobalt drills. Holy crap, these are the real deal. A night & day difference from the "HSS" drills they sell. Rather than looking like a boy scout trying to start a fire, these things just make holes. really easy to drill a half-inch hole (in three steps) with a 20V Porter Cable. I haven't tried the HF ones, but I have a set of cobalt steel number-sized bits (with split points), and find them excellent. Whenever I need to replace a bit from the HHS Cleveland bits in my 115 bit set, I order individual cobalt steel with split point. I don't expect a drill doctor (certainly not mine, which is one of the early ones of that name) to do a proper job making a split point on smaller bits (e.g. 3/16" or smaller), but I vastly prefer the behavior of cobalt steel with split points to standard chisel-point bits. If I could afford it, I would get the full 115 bit set in quality Cobalt steel with split points. As it is, the bits which get worn out most rapidly do get replaced with the Cobalt with split points. If I need to sharpen one from 1/4" down, *without* split point, I've got an antique DuMore drill sharpener which does an excellent job on chisel points from 1/4" down to #70. BTW If you have gotten an index with a 115 bit set, and the index is made by Huot (generally the best index brand that I have found), look carefully in the section for the fractional size bits, and you will see a spring clip on the angled divider. If you have wondered what that clip is for -- get a Huot index for #61-#80 bits and it clips in there so your 115 piece set becomes a 135 piece set. :-) I bought the less-expensive fractional set and a set of cobalt step drills (which also fly through stainless). I will be watching the sales and jumping on a 115 piece set soon. Just today, I had an HF HSS #21 drill bend(!) while drilling on a drill press in 1/8" aluminum. Not doing this again. That is pretty bad. I've bought inexpensive 115 bit sets (TiN coated) and discovered that some of them are sharpened backwards. (This aside from ones which jam during the drilling in steel and suddenly acquire a reverse twist. :-) Just thought this might be handy information for someone. And I've added my personal experience above. [ ... ] I've had decent luck with the cobalt drills from HF as well, but to be fair I've had ok luck with their cheaper drills as well. Making me wonder just how variable the sets are -- and how good your luck is. Perhaps you just bought each on a very good day. :-) That being said I bought some decent brand name drills for all the standard sizes and a modest metric set. Cleveland, Precision, etc. Some of them I found to be dishearteningly disappointing. Well, until I took them over to the grinder and reground them. A pity I don't have a sharpener which can put a *good* split point on the smaller bits. I've tried it with my older Drill Doctor, and once brought to a meeting where someone else who had good split point luck with his brought his as well. We both brought sample bits, too. It turns out that his good experience was with bits say 5/16" or larger, and my bad experience was with bits 3/16" and smaller. Same results with both drill doctors. :-) So -- I use the DuMore (with its set of point steadying collets) to get a good chisel point on bits -- (even those which started out with a good split point before dulling too far to use), and that is typically enough to get a project completed -- until I get an order of a half dozen or dozen cobalt steel split point bits to replace them. :-) A pity that the DuMore can't handle bigger than 1/4" bits. :-( I started out in the 115 bit index with ordering 1/4", 3/8" and 1/2" in cobalt split point as replacements -- even before those got dulled. :-) Good Luck, DoN. -- Remove oil spill source from e-mail Email: | (KV4PH) Voice (all times): (703) 938-4564 (too) near Washington D.C. | http://www.d-and-d.com/dnichols/DoN.html --- Black Holes are where God is dividing by zero --- |
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Followup: Choosing a set of drill bits
On 6/25/2020 7:57 PM, DoN. Nichols wrote:
On 2020-05-26, Bob La Londe wrote: On 5/25/2020 1:00 PM, Clare Snyder wrote: On Mon, 25 May 2020 12:17:42 -0700 (PDT), rangerssuck wrote: On Sunday, December 1, 2019 at 10:59:51 AM UTC-5, rangerssuck wrote: First: Big shout out to my Drill Doctor. I had to drill three #19 holes in cast iron yesterday and all I had was my set of HF TiN drills. Had to sharpen the bit for each hole, but I did get through the job OK. Drill Doctor made quick work of it. Second: Enough is enough already. I have had enough screwing around with garbage bits. I'm looking to buy my last set of drill bits. Generally the 115 piece sets (1/16 - 1/2, A-Z, 1-60) fit my needs. I'm not looking to break the bank, but I don't want to cheap out, either. So, I'm looking for suggestions. If you were looking for a complete set of drills, what would you buy? I had a job that involved drilling through stainless electrical control panels last month. Having been ****ed off too many times by my crappy drills, I decided to take a look at some cobalt drills. After doing my research, I decided to take a shot on the Harbor Freight cobalt drills. Holy crap, these are the real deal. A night & day difference from the "HSS" drills they sell. Rather than looking like a boy scout trying to start a fire, these things just make holes. really easy to drill a half-inch hole (in three steps) with a 20V Porter Cable. I haven't tried the HF ones, but I have a set of cobalt steel number-sized bits (with split points), and find them excellent. Whenever I need to replace a bit from the HHS Cleveland bits in my 115 bit set, I order individual cobalt steel with split point. I don't expect a drill doctor (certainly not mine, which is one of the early ones of that name) to do a proper job making a split point on smaller bits (e.g. 3/16" or smaller), but I vastly prefer the behavior of cobalt steel with split points to standard chisel-point bits. If I could afford it, I would get the full 115 bit set in quality Cobalt steel with split points. As it is, the bits which get worn out most rapidly do get replaced with the Cobalt with split points. If I need to sharpen one from 1/4" down, *without* split point, I've got an antique DuMore drill sharpener which does an excellent job on chisel points from 1/4" down to #70. BTW If you have gotten an index with a 115 bit set, and the index is made by Huot (generally the best index brand that I have found), look carefully in the section for the fractional size bits, and you will see a spring clip on the angled divider. If you have wondered what that clip is for -- get a Huot index for #61-#80 bits and it clips in there so your 115 piece set becomes a 135 piece set. :-) I bought the less-expensive fractional set and a set of cobalt step drills (which also fly through stainless). I will be watching the sales and jumping on a 115 piece set soon. Just today, I had an HF HSS #21 drill bend(!) while drilling on a drill press in 1/8" aluminum. Not doing this again. That is pretty bad. I've bought inexpensive 115 bit sets (TiN coated) and discovered that some of them are sharpened backwards. (This aside from ones which jam during the drilling in steel and suddenly acquire a reverse twist. :-) Just thought this might be handy information for someone. And I've added my personal experience above. [ ... ] I've had decent luck with the cobalt drills from HF as well, but to be fair I've had ok luck with their cheaper drills as well. Making me wonder just how variable the sets are -- and how good your luck is. Perhaps you just bought each on a very good day. :-) That being said I bought some decent brand name drills for all the standard sizes and a modest metric set. Cleveland, Precision, etc. Some of them I found to be dishearteningly disappointing. Well, until I took them over to the grinder and reground them. A pity I don't have a sharpener which can put a *good* split point on the smaller bits. I've tried it with my older Drill Doctor, and once brought to a meeting where someone else who had good split point luck with his brought his as well. We both brought sample bits, too. It turns out that his good experience was with bits say 5/16" or larger, and my bad experience was with bits 3/16" and smaller. Same results with both drill doctors. :-) So -- I use the DuMore (with its set of point steadying collets) to get a good chisel point on bits -- (even those which started out with a good split point before dulling too far to use), and that is typically enough to get a project completed -- until I get an order of a half dozen or dozen cobalt steel split point bits to replace them. :-) A pity that the DuMore can't handle bigger than 1/4" bits. :-( I started out in the 115 bit index with ordering 1/4", 3/8" and 1/2" in cobalt split point as replacements -- even before those got dulled. :-) Good Luck, DoN. I don't own a Drill Doctor, but some day I hope to own a decent tool and cutter grinder. For now I hand grind drill bits on the bench grinder. Often my grinds are more effective than the factory grind on high dollar known name drills. I'm not good enough that I put any of my hand grinds into one of the CNC mills and just "trust" them. For shallow prespotted holes they are okay. That being said I can take a little more care and get a decent hand grind. I can also split the point with a rotary hand piece and a small abrassive wheel. I'm not as good at that, but again if I take care I can do an okay job. The biggest help to me was a magnifying lamp mounted on my work bench near the bench grinder. I'll swing it over the grinder to put the primary grinds on, and then over the vise where I can split the point. When I feel good and with a little luck I've used my hand ground split point drills to deep drill stainless for things like stainless steel pen bodies. 3/16 is also about my limit, but in a pinch I have done drills freehand as small as #21. #21 is a common size I use all the time for 10-32 threaded holes. I try to keep fresh clean new spares, but it doesn't always happen. FYI: I usually do a 3 facet grind, but I can do a round fall away grind as well. The 3 facet grind is easier and faster. Particularly with badly damaged drills. Smaller drills I usually just throw away and replace. They are cheap. |
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