My Spindle Isn't Worn Out
Collets are Consumable

For the last month or so I started noticing alignment pin holes that are
spiral interpolated on one of my machines were a little loose. Press fit pin
holes were getting to where I could press them in with my thumb. That's a
bad thing. Those little high speed spindles have a finite life and that one
is a year old. I don't think it has the 6000hrs advertised for the bearings,
but it might be getting close, and honestly I usually get more than 6000hrs
out of them Still to be that loose I thought I'd be able to "feel" slop in
them when the spindle was cold first thing in the morning. No slop. Ok, how
about a runout test. Not much. Much less than 1/2 thou. Maybe 2-3 tenths.
Now to be fair I did a runout test with a dowel pin in a 1/4 inch collet.
Then I set up the indicator to measure travel backlash in the table. Nope
still just a hair under half thou, and that would make smaller holes not
larger. Finally I looked at the little 1/8 inch collet that was holding the
1/8 SE mill that was making the oversize holes. Or rather I took a fresh new
one out of the package and cut a mold. Perfect. Everything is back to
normal. I have to use the arbor press to set pins again. That collet has
outlasted one spindle, has thousands of hours on this one, and has probably
pushed more than a couple small end mills to the breaking point. I guess I
can't complain about a very cheap Chinese ER16 collet. Collets are
consumable.

"Bob La Londe" wrote in message
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My Spindle Isn't Worn Out
Collets are Consumable

For the last month or so I started noticing alignment pin holes that
are spiral interpolated on one of my machines were a little loose.
Press fit pin holes were getting to where I could press them in with
my thumb. That's a bad thing. Those little high speed spindles have
a finite life and that one is a year old. I don't think it has the
6000hrs advertised for the bearings, but it might be getting close,
and honestly I usually get more than 6000hrs out of them Still to be
that loose I thought I'd be able to "feel" slop in them when the
spindle was cold first thing in the morning. No slop. Ok, how about
a runout test. Not much. Much less than 1/2 thou. Maybe 2-3 tenths.
Now to be fair I did a runout test with a dowel pin in a 1/4 inch
collet. Then I set up the indicator to measure travel backlash in
the table. Nope still just a hair under half thou, and that would
make smaller holes not larger. Finally I looked at the little 1/8
inch collet that was holding the 1/8 SE mill that was making the
oversize holes. Or rather I took a fresh new one out of the package
and cut a mold. Perfect. Everything is back to normal. I have to use
the arbor press to set pins again. That collet has outlasted one
spindle, has thousands of hours on this one, and has probably pushed
more than a couple small end mills to the breaking point. I guess I
can't complain about a very cheap Chinese ER16 collet. Collets are
consumable.

Did you measure the difference between the arbor press and thumb fit
interference?

On 5/25/2019 4:11 PM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
"Bob La Londe" wrote in message
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My Spindle Isn't Worn Out
Collets are Consumable

For the last month or so I started noticing alignment pin holes that
are spiral interpolated on one of my machines were a little loose.
Press fit pin holes were getting to where I could press them in with
my thumb. That's a bad thing. Those little high speed spindles have
a finite life and that one is a year old. I don't think it has the
6000hrs advertised for the bearings, but it might be getting close,
and honestly I usually get more than 6000hrs out of them Still to be
that loose I thought I'd be able to "feel" slop in them when the
spindle was cold first thing in the morning. No slop. Ok, how about
a runout test. Not much. Much less than 1/2 thou. Maybe 2-3 tenths.
Now to be fair I did a runout test with a dowel pin in a 1/4 inch
collet. Then I set up the indicator to measure travel backlash in
the table. Nope still just a hair under half thou, and that would
make smaller holes not larger. Finally I looked at the little 1/8
inch collet that was holding the 1/8 SE mill that was making the
oversize holes. Or rather I took a fresh new one out of the package
and cut a mold. Perfect. Everything is back to normal. I have to use
the arbor press to set pins again. That collet has outlasted one
spindle, has thousands of hours on this one, and has probably pushed
more than a couple small end mills to the breaking point. I guess I
can't complain about a very cheap Chinese ER16 collet. Collets are
consumable.

Did you measure the difference between the arbor press and thumb fit
interference?




Nope. But I know what its supposed to feel like when I press it in with
the press and it feels right. There is actually a lead in I machine in
the holes to make sure the pin starts straight that has always dragged
lightly and its back to that feel too.