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what type of press is this?
It's some sort of press with a heavy wheel that spins back and forth and
presses on the work using a heavy screw. No audio needed, just watch about 10 seconds https://youtu.be/CLcAms8GgeM?t=427 What's the history of these, any is it something uncommon in the US? |
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"Cydrome Leader" wrote in message
... It's some sort of press with a heavy wheel that spins back and forth and presses on the work using a heavy screw. No audio needed, just watch about 10 seconds https://youtu.be/CLcAms8GgeM?t=427 What's the history of these, any is it something uncommon in the US? https://piehtoolco.com/contents/en-us/d1439.html I've seen them in a blackmith shop but never in the New England museums or used machinery stores I've visited. That may only mean they sell quickly, like anvils and other desirable small-shop machinery. The blacksmith had custom forging dies in them to leave his power hammer free for general work. -jsw |
what type of press is this?
On Friday, February 1, 2019 at 1:11:19 AM UTC-5, Cydrome Leader wrote:
It's some sort of press with a heavy wheel that spins back and forth and presses on the work using a heavy screw. No audio needed, just watch about 10 seconds https://youtu.be/CLcAms8GgeM?t=427 What's the history of these, any is it something uncommon in the US? That's a "fly press": a flywheel screw press. No, they aren't common in the US. Apparently they've been around for a long time in forge shops in other parts of the world, including Europe. I never saw one but I remember seeing photos when I was an editor at American Machinist, back in the '70s. -- Ed Huntress |
what type of press is this?
On Fri, 1 Feb 2019 06:11:16 +0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader
wrote: It's some sort of press with a heavy wheel that spins back and forth and presses on the work using a heavy screw. No audio needed, just watch about 10 seconds https://youtu.be/CLcAms8GgeM?t=427 What's the history of these, any is it something uncommon in the US? I'd call it a "rotary inertia" or "worm gear inertia" press and it is not common in North America from what I've seen. |
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On Fri, 01 Feb 2019 10:13:12 -0500
Clare Snyder wrote: On Fri, 1 Feb 2019 06:11:16 +0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader wrote: It's some sort of press with a heavy wheel that spins back and forth and presses on the work using a heavy screw. No audio needed, just watch about 10 seconds https://youtu.be/CLcAms8GgeM?t=427 What's the history of these, any is it something uncommon in the US? I'd call it a "rotary inertia" or "worm gear inertia" press and it is not common in North America from what I've seen. That's because Andrew has been hoarding them all in Texas: https://www.instagram.com/blacksmith...p/BYjxXCmjvtY/ Seriously though, he would be a good one to call if you want one. He seems to come across them pretty often... -- Leon Fisk Grand Rapids MI |
what type of press is this?
On Fri, 1 Feb 2019 06:11:16 +0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader
wrote: It's some sort of press with a heavy wheel that spins back and forth and presses on the work using a heavy screw. No audio needed, just watch about 10 seconds https://youtu.be/CLcAms8GgeM?t=427 What's the history of these, any is it something uncommon in the US? **** thats old school! 1800s technology. Has to be a bitch to set for travel as well. They were very common at one time...but they are tough to setup, hard to stop, and as a result..incredibly unsafe. Hence..they are not used in the US anymore..and havent been for probably 100 yrs __ "Poor widdle Wudy...mentally ill, lies constantly, doesnt know who he is, or even what gender "he" is. No more pathetic creature has ever walked the earth. But...he is locked into a mental hospital for the safety of the public. Which is a very good thing." Asun rauhassa, valmistaudun sotaan. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus |
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On Sat, 2 Feb 2019 00:19:54 +0000, David Billington
wrote: On 01/02/2019 06:11, Cydrome Leader wrote: It's some sort of press with a heavy wheel that spins back and forth and presses on the work using a heavy screw. No audio needed, just watch about 10 seconds https://youtu.be/CLcAms8GgeM?t=427 What's the history of these, any is it something uncommon in the US? I've not seen a powered one like that but it's basically a fly press as others have mentioned. For manual operation they're quite nice as you get a feel for the energy input required to do the job so you adjust accordingly. I have one and they're quite common in the UK. The pic posted of a bunch of them in Texas looks a lot like Norton or Sweeney & Blocksidge but I expect they were made in the US as well. What do the heavy balls do for getting a feel for the work? __ "Poor widdle Wudy...mentally ill, lies constantly, doesnt know who he is, or even what gender "he" is. No more pathetic creature has ever walked the earth. But...he is locked into a mental hospital for the safety of the public. Which is a very good thing." Asun rauhassa, valmistaudun sotaan. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus |
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"Gunner Asch" wrote in message
... On Fri, 1 Feb 2019 06:11:16 +0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader wrote: It's some sort of press with a heavy wheel that spins back and forth and presses on the work using a heavy screw. No audio needed, just watch about 10 seconds https://youtu.be/CLcAms8GgeM?t=427 What's the history of these, any is it something uncommon in the US? **** thats old school! 1800s technology. Has to be a bitch to set for travel as well. They were very common at one time...but they are tough to setup, hard to stop, and as a result..incredibly unsafe. Hence..they are not used in the US anymore..and havent been for probably 100 yrs From what little I saw the top die descends until the workpiece stops it, which suits them to stamping identical repetitive details on batches of variably thick hand-forged parts for wrought-iron railings etc. I think an arbor press would be as or more useful to a machinist. |
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Gunner Asch on Fri, 01 Feb 2019 15:23:43 -0800
typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following: On Fri, 1 Feb 2019 06:11:16 +0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader wrote: It's some sort of press with a heavy wheel that spins back and forth and presses on the work using a heavy screw. No audio needed, just watch about 10 seconds https://youtu.be/CLcAms8GgeM?t=427 What's the history of these, any is it something uncommon in the US? **** thats old school! 1800s technology. Has to be a bitch to set for travel as well. Can you imagine the working conditions which made this an improvement? I mean, - the alternative is hitting them with a hammer. -- pyotr filipivich "With Age comes Wisdom. Although far too often, Age travels alone." |
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On Fri, 01 Feb 2019 18:14:18 -0800, pyotr filipivich
wrote: Gunner Asch on Fri, 01 Feb 2019 15:23:43 -0800 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following: On Fri, 1 Feb 2019 06:11:16 +0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader wrote: It's some sort of press with a heavy wheel that spins back and forth and presses on the work using a heavy screw. No audio needed, just watch about 10 seconds https://youtu.be/CLcAms8GgeM?t=427 What's the history of these, any is it something uncommon in the US? **** thats old school! 1800s technology. Has to be a bitch to set for travel as well. Can you imagine the working conditions which made this an improvement? I mean, - the alternative is hitting them with a hammer. I always loved this one... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yL1AgOqnYYE On a side note...this is cool ..... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHbI_B2sPA0 __ "Poor widdle Wudy...mentally ill, lies constantly, doesnt know who he is, or even what gender "he" is. No more pathetic creature has ever walked the earth. But...he is locked into a mental hospital for the safety of the public. Which is a very good thing." Asun rauhassa, valmistaudun sotaan. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus |
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David Billington writes: I've not seen a powered one like that but it's basically a fly press as others have mentioned. For manual operation they're quite nice as you get a feel for the energy input required to do the job so you adjust accordingly. I have one and they're quite common in the UK. The pic posted of a bunch of them in Texas looks a lot like Norton or Sweeney & Blocksidge but I expect they were made in the US as well. The Brit blacksmiths love fly presses and Blacker hammers, both of which are like hen's teeth in Leftpondia. Another use was architectural ceramics: clay, damp but not wet, was put into a mould/form and rammed with a flypress, then fired. Apparently a way to force the items to retain dimension, not so easy with wet clay. AFAIK, some flypresses have a simple screw but the one I had a close look at Britain had a two-pitch screw, ingenious and very effective. Details, photo and diagram he http://home.tallships.ca/mspencer/nut.html Retired but I'd still love to have one to mess about with. Some other smithing oddments if yer interested: http://home.tallships.ca/mspencer/tools.html -- Mike Spencer Nova Scotia, Canada |
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On 02/02/2019 06:36, Mike Spencer wrote:
David Billington writes: I've not seen a powered one like that but it's basically a fly press as others have mentioned. For manual operation they're quite nice as you get a feel for the energy input required to do the job so you adjust accordingly. I have one and they're quite common in the UK. The pic posted of a bunch of them in Texas looks a lot like Norton or Sweeney & Blocksidge but I expect they were made in the US as well. The Brit blacksmiths love fly presses and Blacker hammers, both of which are like hen's teeth in Leftpondia. Another use was architectural ceramics: clay, damp but not wet, was put into a mould/form and rammed with a flypress, then fired. Apparently a way to force the items to retain dimension, not so easy with wet clay. AFAIK, some flypresses have a simple screw but the one I had a close look at Britain had a two-pitch screw, ingenious and very effective. Details, photo and diagram he http://home.tallships.ca/mspencer/nut.html Retired but I'd still love to have one to mess about with. Some other smithing oddments if yer interested: http://home.tallships.ca/mspencer/tools.html My Sweeney & Blocksidge has a 2 pitch screw but that is quite normal for many makes. The coarse thread is what applies the force and the fine thread is at the upper end of the screw and is what the stop collar fits to to allow fine adjustment of the ram travel. |
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On 02/02/2019 00:26, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Sat, 2 Feb 2019 00:19:54 +0000, David Billington wrote: On 01/02/2019 06:11, Cydrome Leader wrote: It's some sort of press with a heavy wheel that spins back and forth and presses on the work using a heavy screw. No audio needed, just watch about 10 seconds https://youtu.be/CLcAms8GgeM?t=427 What's the history of these, any is it something uncommon in the US? I've not seen a powered one like that but it's basically a fly press as others have mentioned. For manual operation they're quite nice as you get a feel for the energy input required to do the job so you adjust accordingly. I have one and they're quite common in the UK. The pic posted of a bunch of them in Texas looks a lot like Norton or Sweeney & Blocksidge but I expect they were made in the US as well. What do the heavy balls do for getting a feel for the work? The balls just store the energy you apply to the handle when swinging it around and that energy is released when the tooling strikes the work. It's normal to keep a hold of the handle so you feel the interaction between the tool and work, not always required but it's nice for some things. The balls and fly presses come in different sizes depending on the job requirement. The ram runs in precision guides so location is consistent which is useful for thing such as punches and dies which I have a decent selection of, once the bolster has been located to hold the die the punches and dies can be swapped quickly and easily which is really useful for the likes of punching holes in sheet metal. They still make the things new in the UK https://www.jameswshenton.co.uk/norton-presses-ccm5 . __ "Poor widdle Wudy...mentally ill, lies constantly, doesnt know who he is, or even what gender "he" is. No more pathetic creature has ever walked the earth. But...he is locked into a mental hospital for the safety of the public. Which is a very good thing." Asun rauhassa, valmistaudun sotaan. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus |
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On Sat, 2 Feb 2019 20:08:20 +0000, David Billington
wrote: On 02/02/2019 00:26, Gunner Asch wrote: On Sat, 2 Feb 2019 00:19:54 +0000, David Billington wrote: On 01/02/2019 06:11, Cydrome Leader wrote: It's some sort of press with a heavy wheel that spins back and forth and presses on the work using a heavy screw. No audio needed, just watch about 10 seconds https://youtu.be/CLcAms8GgeM?t=427 What's the history of these, any is it something uncommon in the US? I've not seen a powered one like that but it's basically a fly press as others have mentioned. For manual operation they're quite nice as you get a feel for the energy input required to do the job so you adjust accordingly. I have one and they're quite common in the UK. The pic posted of a bunch of them in Texas looks a lot like Norton or Sweeney & Blocksidge but I expect they were made in the US as well. What do the heavy balls do for getting a feel for the work? The balls just store the energy you apply to the handle when swinging it around and that energy is released when the tooling strikes the work. It's normal to keep a hold of the handle so you feel the interaction between the tool and work, not always required but it's nice for some things. The balls and fly presses come in different sizes depending on the job requirement. The ram runs in precision guides so location is consistent which is useful for thing such as punches and dies which I have a decent selection of, once the bolster has been located to hold the die the punches and dies can be swapped quickly and easily which is really useful for the likes of punching holes in sheet metal. They still make the things new in the UK https://www.jameswshenton.co.uk/norton-presses-ccm5 . After putting my pea sized brain to it..I can see some processes where they would be handy indeed. I have a Dumont 5 ton broaching arbor press and a 60 ton hydraulic press...plus a handful of small arbor presses....and of course a couple sets of Greenlee hydraulic hole punch dies and hand pumped power sources. Is there any reason for me to find one of those presses as you discussed? If so..I will most certainly start hunting for one; Thanks!! __ "Poor widdle Wudy...mentally ill, lies constantly, doesnt know who he is, or even what gender "he" is. No more pathetic creature has ever walked the earth. But...he is locked into a mental hospital for the safety of the public. Which is a very good thing." Asun rauhassa, valmistaudun sotaan. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus __ "Poor widdle Wudy...mentally ill, lies constantly, doesnt know who he is, or even what gender "he" is. No more pathetic creature has ever walked the earth. But...he is locked into a mental hospital for the safety of the public. Which is a very good thing." Asun rauhassa, valmistaudun sotaan. |
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"Gunner Asch" wrote in message
... On Sat, 2 Feb 2019 20:08:20 +0000, David Billington wrote: On 02/02/2019 00:26, Gunner Asch wrote: On Sat, 2 Feb 2019 00:19:54 +0000, David Billington wrote: On 01/02/2019 06:11, Cydrome Leader wrote: It's some sort of press with a heavy wheel that spins back and forth and presses on the work using a heavy screw. No audio needed, just watch about 10 seconds https://youtu.be/CLcAms8GgeM?t=427 What's the history of these, any is it something uncommon in the US? I've not seen a powered one like that but it's basically a fly press as others have mentioned. For manual operation they're quite nice as you get a feel for the energy input required to do the job so you adjust accordingly. I have one and they're quite common in the UK. The pic posted of a bunch of them in Texas looks a lot like Norton or Sweeney & Blocksidge but I expect they were made in the US as well. What do the heavy balls do for getting a feel for the work? The balls just store the energy you apply to the handle when swinging it around and that energy is released when the tooling strikes the work. It's normal to keep a hold of the handle so you feel the interaction between the tool and work, not always required but it's nice for some things. The balls and fly presses come in different sizes depending on the job requirement. The ram runs in precision guides so location is consistent which is useful for thing such as punches and dies which I have a decent selection of, once the bolster has been located to hold the die the punches and dies can be swapped quickly and easily which is really useful for the likes of punching holes in sheet metal. They still make the things new in the UK https://www.jameswshenton.co.uk/norton-presses-ccm5 . After putting my pea sized brain to it..I can see some processes where they would be handy indeed. I have a Dumont 5 ton broaching arbor press and a 60 ton hydraulic press...plus a handful of small arbor presses....and of course a couple sets of Greenlee hydraulic hole punch dies and hand pumped power sources. Is there any reason for me to find one of those presses as you discussed? If so..I will most certainly start hunting for one; Thanks!! I'd rather dedicate the shop space to one of these: https://www.roperwhitney.com/our-pro...h-deep-throat/ |
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Leon Fisk on Fri, 1 Feb 2019 15:40:31 -0400
typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following: On Fri, 01 Feb 2019 10:13:12 -0500 Clare Snyder wrote: On Fri, 1 Feb 2019 06:11:16 +0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader wrote: It's some sort of press with a heavy wheel that spins back and forth and presses on the work using a heavy screw. No audio needed, just watch about 10 seconds https://youtu.be/CLcAms8GgeM?t=427 What's the history of these, any is it something uncommon in the US? I'd call it a "rotary inertia" or "worm gear inertia" press and it is not common in North America from what I've seen. That's because Andrew has been hoarding them all in Texas: https://www.instagram.com/blacksmith...p/BYjxXCmjvtY/ Seriously though, he would be a good one to call if you want one. He seems to come across them pretty often... Looks like a stamping press. In this case, knocking out 'flatware. Put the blank in it,down comes the die, up goes the die, out comes the spoon / fork. FWIW, Krupp Steel started out supplying those dies. -- pyotr filipivich "With Age comes Wisdom. Although far too often, Age travels alone." |
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"pyotr filipivich" wrote in message
... Leon Fisk on Fri, 1 Feb 2019 15:40:31 -0400 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following: On Fri, 01 Feb 2019 10:13:12 -0500 Clare Snyder wrote: On Fri, 1 Feb 2019 06:11:16 +0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader wrote: It's some sort of press with a heavy wheel that spins back and forth and presses on the work using a heavy screw. No audio needed, just watch about 10 seconds https://youtu.be/CLcAms8GgeM?t=427 What's the history of these, any is it something uncommon in the US? I'd call it a "rotary inertia" or "worm gear inertia" press and it is not common in North America from what I've seen. That's because Andrew has been hoarding them all in Texas: https://www.instagram.com/blacksmith...p/BYjxXCmjvtY/ Seriously though, he would be a good one to call if you want one. He seems to come across them pretty often... Looks like a stamping press. In this case, knocking out 'flatware. Put the blank in it,down comes the die, up goes the die, out comes the spoon / fork. FWIW, Krupp Steel started out supplying those dies. -- pyotr filipivich "With Age comes Wisdom. Although far too often, Age travels alone." They were wise to be ready for either war or peace. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guns_versus_butter_model |
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On 03/02/2019 01:06, Jim Wilkins wrote:
"Gunner Asch" wrote in message ... On Sat, 2 Feb 2019 20:08:20 +0000, David Billington wrote: On 02/02/2019 00:26, Gunner Asch wrote: On Sat, 2 Feb 2019 00:19:54 +0000, David Billington wrote: On 01/02/2019 06:11, Cydrome Leader wrote: It's some sort of press with a heavy wheel that spins back and forth and presses on the work using a heavy screw. No audio needed, just watch about 10 seconds https://youtu.be/CLcAms8GgeM?t=427 What's the history of these, any is it something uncommon in the US? I've not seen a powered one like that but it's basically a fly press as others have mentioned. For manual operation they're quite nice as you get a feel for the energy input required to do the job so you adjust accordingly. I have one and they're quite common in the UK. The pic posted of a bunch of them in Texas looks a lot like Norton or Sweeney & Blocksidge but I expect they were made in the US as well. What do the heavy balls do for getting a feel for the work? The balls just store the energy you apply to the handle when swinging it around and that energy is released when the tooling strikes the work. It's normal to keep a hold of the handle so you feel the interaction between the tool and work, not always required but it's nice for some things. The balls and fly presses come in different sizes depending on the job requirement. The ram runs in precision guides so location is consistent which is useful for thing such as punches and dies which I have a decent selection of, once the bolster has been located to hold the die the punches and dies can be swapped quickly and easily which is really useful for the likes of punching holes in sheet metal. They still make the things new in the UK https://www.jameswshenton.co.uk/norton-presses-ccm5 . After putting my pea sized brain to it..I can see some processes where they would be handy indeed. I have a Dumont 5 ton broaching arbor press and a 60 ton hydraulic press...plus a handful of small arbor presses....and of course a couple sets of Greenlee hydraulic hole punch dies and hand pumped power sources. Is there any reason for me to find one of those presses as you discussed? If so..I will most certainly start hunting for one; Thanks!! I'd rather dedicate the shop space to one of these: https://www.roperwhitney.com/our-pro...h-deep-throat/ Nice but I think a fly press is far more versatile especially if you can make you own tooling. I use mine for punching but also forming, shrinking, bending, punching louvres. |
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"Jim Wilkins" on Sun, 3 Feb 2019 09:28:32 -0500
typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following: "pyotr filipivich" wrote in message .. . Leon Fisk on Fri, 1 Feb 2019 15:40:31 -0400 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following: On Fri, 01 Feb 2019 10:13:12 -0500 Clare Snyder wrote: On Fri, 1 Feb 2019 06:11:16 +0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader wrote: It's some sort of press with a heavy wheel that spins back and forth and presses on the work using a heavy screw. No audio needed, just watch about 10 seconds https://youtu.be/CLcAms8GgeM?t=427 What's the history of these, any is it something uncommon in the US? I'd call it a "rotary inertia" or "worm gear inertia" press and it is not common in North America from what I've seen. That's because Andrew has been hoarding them all in Texas: https://www.instagram.com/blacksmith...p/BYjxXCmjvtY/ Seriously though, he would be a good one to call if you want one. He seems to come across them pretty often... Looks like a stamping press. In this case, knocking out 'flatware. Put the blank in it,down comes the die, up goes the die, out comes the spoon / fork. FWIW, Krupp Steel started out supplying those dies. -- pyotr filipivich "With Age comes Wisdom. Although far too often, Age travels alone." They were wise to be ready for either war or peace. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guns_versus_butter_model But when he started, Herr Krupp wasn't the Industrial Powerhouse. Rather a bit of the opposite. E.G., his first mill used water wheels to power the drop hammer (SOP at the time). Which he put on a stream which didn't have enough flow year round. -- pyotr filipivich "With Age comes Wisdom. Although far too often, Age travels alone." |
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"David Billington" wrote in message
... On 03/02/2019 01:06, Jim Wilkins wrote: "Gunner Asch" wrote in message ... On Sat, 2 Feb 2019 20:08:20 +0000, David Billington wrote: On 02/02/2019 00:26, Gunner Asch wrote: On Sat, 2 Feb 2019 00:19:54 +0000, David Billington wrote: On 01/02/2019 06:11, Cydrome Leader wrote: It's some sort of press with a heavy wheel that spins back and forth and presses on the work using a heavy screw. No audio needed, just watch about 10 seconds https://youtu.be/CLcAms8GgeM?t=427 What's the history of these, any is it something uncommon in the US? I've not seen a powered one like that but it's basically a fly press as others have mentioned. For manual operation they're quite nice as you get a feel for the energy input required to do the job so you adjust accordingly. I have one and they're quite common in the UK. The pic posted of a bunch of them in Texas looks a lot like Norton or Sweeney & Blocksidge but I expect they were made in the US as well. What do the heavy balls do for getting a feel for the work? The balls just store the energy you apply to the handle when swinging it around and that energy is released when the tooling strikes the work. It's normal to keep a hold of the handle so you feel the interaction between the tool and work, not always required but it's nice for some things. The balls and fly presses come in different sizes depending on the job requirement. The ram runs in precision guides so location is consistent which is useful for thing such as punches and dies which I have a decent selection of, once the bolster has been located to hold the die the punches and dies can be swapped quickly and easily which is really useful for the likes of punching holes in sheet metal. They still make the things new in the UK https://www.jameswshenton.co.uk/norton-presses-ccm5 . After putting my pea sized brain to it..I can see some processes where they would be handy indeed. I have a Dumont 5 ton broaching arbor press and a 60 ton hydraulic press...plus a handful of small arbor presses....and of course a couple sets of Greenlee hydraulic hole punch dies and hand pumped power sources. Is there any reason for me to find one of those presses as you discussed? If so..I will most certainly start hunting for one; Thanks!! I'd rather dedicate the shop space to one of these: https://www.roperwhitney.com/our-pro...h-deep-throat/ Nice but I think a fly press is far more versatile especially if you can make you own tooling. I use mine for punching but also forming, shrinking, bending, punching louvres. I agree that the fly press is a fast and convenient way to do those jobs if you have one, but it isn't the only way, and it consumes a lot of space on a heavy duty bench. I've hammered louvers into a shop-made stainless steel replacement catalytic converter heat shield using a formed block between the vise jaws as the lower die and rounded bar stock as the punch, after slitting the metal between punched end holes with a cold chisel. The result fit together well, didn't rattle, and was pretty enough for where it goes. When I took the blacksmithing class I carefully considered what his equipment and methods could do, versus what I need and already have in my shop. I think my arbor and hydraulic presses are adequate if slower substitutes for a fly press, since I don't do hot die forging and could make a spring swage that fits the anvil's hardy hole if I ever wanted to. The blacksmith had his largest fly press set up to finish round tenons on the ends of railing sections, a job my lathe could handle. https://www.blacksmithsdepot.com/pro...ng-swages.html This describes the work of each trade in a shipyard. https://www.amazon.com/Yard-Building.../dp/0060929634 The only part that the blacksmith needs to forge hot is the end of stair handrails, all other curved steel on the ship can be bent cold. -jsw |
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"pyotr filipivich" wrote in message
... "Jim Wilkins" on Sun, 3 Feb 2019 09:28:32 -0500 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following: "pyotr filipivich" wrote in message . .. Leon Fisk on Fri, 1 Feb 2019 15:40:31 -0400 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following: On Fri, 01 Feb 2019 10:13:12 -0500 Clare Snyder wrote: On Fri, 1 Feb 2019 06:11:16 +0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader wrote: It's some sort of press with a heavy wheel that spins back and forth and presses on the work using a heavy screw. No audio needed, just watch about 10 seconds https://youtu.be/CLcAms8GgeM?t=427 What's the history of these, any is it something uncommon in the US? I'd call it a "rotary inertia" or "worm gear inertia" press and it is not common in North America from what I've seen. That's because Andrew has been hoarding them all in Texas: https://www.instagram.com/blacksmith...p/BYjxXCmjvtY/ Seriously though, he would be a good one to call if you want one. He seems to come across them pretty often... Looks like a stamping press. In this case, knocking out 'flatware. Put the blank in it,down comes the die, up goes the die, out comes the spoon / fork. FWIW, Krupp Steel started out supplying those dies. -- pyotr filipivich "With Age comes Wisdom. Although far too often, Age travels alone." They were wise to be ready for either war or peace. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guns_versus_butter_model But when he started, Herr Krupp wasn't the Industrial Powerhouse. Rather a bit of the opposite. E.G., his first mill used water wheels to power the drop hammer (SOP at the time). Which he put on a stream which didn't have enough flow year round. -- pyotr filipivich "With Age comes Wisdom. Although far too often, Age travels alone." New England has preserved some of that history. We took a school trip to this place not long after it was restored and they demonstrated the waterwheels and trip hammer and explained the tedious process of squeezing the slag out of a bloom of iron, one of which they had on display. https://www.engr.psu.edu/mtah/photos/photos_saugus.htm https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taylor..._Historic_Site When I was little my father bought lumber to repair our 1830 house at a water-powered sawmill. -jsw |
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On Sunday, February 3, 2019 at 8:20:35 PM UTC-5, Cydrome Leader wrote:
wrote: On Friday, February 1, 2019 at 1:11:19 AM UTC-5, Cydrome Leader wrote: It's some sort of press with a heavy wheel that spins back and forth and presses on the work using a heavy screw. No audio needed, just watch about 10 seconds https://youtu.be/CLcAms8GgeM?t=427 What's the history of these, any is it something uncommon in the US? That's a "fly press": a flywheel screw press. No, they aren't common in the US. Apparently they've been around for a long time in forge shops in other parts of the world, including Europe. I never saw one but I remember seeing photos when I was an editor at American Machinist, back in the '70s. Interesting. Are there other regional variations of "basic" machines like presses that still do the same job in the end? Sort of like how germans were obsessed with slotted screws for absolutely everything forever? I can't think of anything in particular. There are some cases of machine types being associated with the products they make, and the regional emphasis on those products. For example, horological lathes initially were associated with the UK, IIRC, and then Switzerland dominated that business. From what I saw years ago, Switzerland seemed to have an overwhelming number of those little lathes. Lens grinding and polishing machines in Germmany, then in Japan, etc. -- Ed Huntress |
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... On Sunday, February 3, 2019 at 8:20:35 PM UTC-5, Cydrome Leader wrote: wrote: On Friday, February 1, 2019 at 1:11:19 AM UTC-5, Cydrome Leader wrote: It's some sort of press with a heavy wheel that spins back and forth and presses on the work using a heavy screw. No audio needed, just watch about 10 seconds https://youtu.be/CLcAms8GgeM?t=427 What's the history of these, any is it something uncommon in the US? That's a "fly press": a flywheel screw press. No, they aren't common in the US. Apparently they've been around for a long time in forge shops in other parts of the world, including Europe. I never saw one but I remember seeing photos when I was an editor at American Machinist, back in the '70s. Interesting. Are there other regional variations of "basic" machines like presses that still do the same job in the end? Sort of like how germans were obsessed with slotted screws for absolutely everything forever? I can't think of anything in particular. There are some cases of machine types being associated with the products they make, and the regional emphasis on those products. For example, horological lathes initially were associated with the UK, IIRC, and then Switzerland dominated that business. From what I saw years ago, Switzerland seemed to have an overwhelming number of those little lathes. Lens grinding and polishing machines in Germmany, then in Japan, etc. -- Ed Huntress =================== "Oil country" lathes. Chinese blacksmith bellows are quite different from Western ones. Horizontal blast forges. Tap sets with progressively increasing depths of cut. Cycloidal versus involute gear teeth. The Multifix lathe tool post. http://www.lathes.co.uk/multifix/ Swiss style lathes. https://www.ksiswiss.com/swiss-style-lathe/ Japanese pull saws, Westerners push them. Europeans worked standing, Asians sitting. According to Holtzapffel, in India lathe tools were traditionally held between the toes with the heel resting on the ground while the arms worked the cords that turned the spindle. Perhps the most significant difference is that while the western frontier was open eastern America couldn't retain the abundance of skilled craftsmen available in Europe and developed semi- and then fully-automated production machines instead. The cam-operated automatic lathe that could spit out parts without an operator dates from the 1870's. -jsw |
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On Sun, 3 Feb 2019 13:54:17 -0500, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote: "pyotr filipivich" wrote in message .. . "Jim Wilkins" on Sun, 3 Feb 2019 09:28:32 -0500 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following: "pyotr filipivich" wrote in message ... Leon Fisk on Fri, 1 Feb 2019 15:40:31 -0400 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following: On Fri, 01 Feb 2019 10:13:12 -0500 Clare Snyder wrote: On Fri, 1 Feb 2019 06:11:16 +0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader wrote: It's some sort of press with a heavy wheel that spins back and forth and presses on the work using a heavy screw. No audio needed, just watch about 10 seconds https://youtu.be/CLcAms8GgeM?t=427 What's the history of these, any is it something uncommon in the US? I'd call it a "rotary inertia" or "worm gear inertia" press and it is not common in North America from what I've seen. That's because Andrew has been hoarding them all in Texas: https://www.instagram.com/blacksmith...p/BYjxXCmjvtY/ Seriously though, he would be a good one to call if you want one. He seems to come across them pretty often... Looks like a stamping press. In this case, knocking out 'flatware. Put the blank in it,down comes the die, up goes the die, out comes the spoon / fork. FWIW, Krupp Steel started out supplying those dies. -- pyotr filipivich "With Age comes Wisdom. Although far too often, Age travels alone." They were wise to be ready for either war or peace. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guns_versus_butter_model But when he started, Herr Krupp wasn't the Industrial Powerhouse. Rather a bit of the opposite. E.G., his first mill used water wheels to power the drop hammer (SOP at the time). Which he put on a stream which didn't have enough flow year round. -- pyotr filipivich "With Age comes Wisdom. Although far too often, Age travels alone." New England has preserved some of that history. We took a school trip to this place not long after it was restored and they demonstrated the waterwheels and trip hammer and explained the tedious process of squeezing the slag out of a bloom of iron, one of which they had on display. https://www.engr.psu.edu/mtah/photos/photos_saugus.htm https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taylor..._Historic_Site When I was little my father bought lumber to repair our 1830 house at a water-powered sawmill. -jsw The house I was raised in, was built with exterior walls of two layers of white pine planks on end. these planks were 24 to 36 inches wide, 2 1/2 inches thick and up to 20 feet long. The trees were cut on the property and floated down the river to a water powered mill much like the Taylor Mill with the vertical saw powered by an undershot wheel. This mill combined the saw mill, a planing mill and a grist mill. I never saw the mill but remember well the stone fillled cribs of the dam and flume. We used to use the cast grinding plates from the grist mill as a boat anchor. The site was washed away in the early '50's when an ice jam combined with driftwood in the forebay of the dam gave way and spread everything downstream. |
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... On Sun, 3 Feb 2019 13:54:17 -0500, "Jim Wilkins" wrote: The house I was raised in, was built with exterior walls of two layers of white pine planks on end. these planks were 24 to 36 inches wide, 2 1/2 inches thick and up to 20 feet long. The trees were cut on the property and floated down the river to a water powered mill much like the Taylor Mill with the vertical saw powered by an undershot wheel. This mill combined the saw mill, a planing mill and a grist mill. I never saw the mill but remember well the stone fillled cribs of the dam and flume. We used to use the cast grinding plates from the grist mill as a boat anchor. The site was washed away in the early '50's when an ice jam combined with driftwood in the forebay of the dam gave way and spread everything downstream. This private NH Christian high school teaches both male and female students the skills needed to restore or duplicate New England structures from the 1700 and 1800's in their original style. http://www.turnermills.com/JesseRemingtonArticle.pdf Last fall the fair had an exhibit of cutting pine planks as large as yours with a chainsaw running on guides, like the Alaskan mill that Northern sells but bigger. A couple of huge planks were still there during the ham radio flea market a few weeks later. My sister and her husband have repaired and extended their 17xx Maine farm house using pegged post and beam construction, though not with timbers that large. I sized the bandsaw mill I built for 20" logs based on the largest trees left in the neighborhood and have had to chainsaw slabs off the stump end of oaks that had been leaning over the house to fit it. Instead of full width planks I've been cutting each log section into two 6" x 12" by 12' beams to store the wood in the form of shed frames. The logs and rough cut beams (cants) dry evenly without cracking too much if the ends are painted with melted toilet ring wax, which unlike paraffin wax is flexible enough to not crack open as the weather changes. -jsw |
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On Sun, 3 Feb 2019 13:54:17 -0500, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote: "pyotr filipivich" wrote in message .. . "Jim Wilkins" on Sun, 3 Feb 2019 09:28:32 -0500 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following: "pyotr filipivich" wrote in message ... Leon Fisk on Fri, 1 Feb 2019 15:40:31 -0400 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following: On Fri, 01 Feb 2019 10:13:12 -0500 Clare Snyder wrote: On Fri, 1 Feb 2019 06:11:16 +0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader wrote: It's some sort of press with a heavy wheel that spins back and forth and presses on the work using a heavy screw. No audio needed, just watch about 10 seconds https://youtu.be/CLcAms8GgeM?t=427 What's the history of these, any is it something uncommon in the US? I'd call it a "rotary inertia" or "worm gear inertia" press and it is not common in North America from what I've seen. That's because Andrew has been hoarding them all in Texas: https://www.instagram.com/blacksmith...p/BYjxXCmjvtY/ Seriously though, he would be a good one to call if you want one. He seems to come across them pretty often... Looks like a stamping press. In this case, knocking out 'flatware. Put the blank in it,down comes the die, up goes the die, out comes the spoon / fork. FWIW, Krupp Steel started out supplying those dies. -- pyotr filipivich "With Age comes Wisdom. Although far too often, Age travels alone." They were wise to be ready for either war or peace. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guns_versus_butter_model But when he started, Herr Krupp wasn't the Industrial Powerhouse. Rather a bit of the opposite. E.G., his first mill used water wheels to power the drop hammer (SOP at the time). Which he put on a stream which didn't have enough flow year round. -- pyotr filipivich "With Age comes Wisdom. Although far too often, Age travels alone." New England has preserved some of that history. We took a school trip to this place not long after it was restored and they demonstrated the waterwheels and trip hammer and explained the tedious process of squeezing the slag out of a bloom of iron, one of which they had on display. https://www.engr.psu.edu/mtah/photos/photos_saugus.htm https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taylor..._Historic_Site When I was little my father bought lumber to repair our 1830 house at a water-powered sawmill. Really cool. -- "I have noticed even people who claim everything is predestined and that we can do nothing to change it look before they cross the road." --Steven Hawking |
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... On Sun, 3 Feb 2019 13:54:17 -0500, "Jim Wilkins" wrote: When I was little my father bought lumber to repair our 1830 house at a water-powered sawmill. Really cool. The sawmill was a commercial operation. I didn't realize it was powered by water until they opened a hatch in the floor and showed me the Francis turbine in the stream under the building. The dam, pond and an ice house were on the other side of the road. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_turbine Unlike a vertical wooden water wheel, a Francis turbine in operation is as picturesque as a garbage disposal. There are others still generating micro-hydro electricity around here, including one under the mill building space the blacksmith rents. https://www.des.nh.gov/organization/...nts/notado.pdf Notice how many small dams are or were a hydropower generating facility. |
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Larry Jaques writes: On Sun, 3 Feb 2019 13:54:17 -0500, "Jim Wilkins" wrote: New England has preserved some of that history. We took a school trip to this place not long after it was restored and they demonstrated the waterwheels and trip hammer and explained the tedious process of squeezing the slag out of a bloom of iron, one of which they had on display. https://www.engr.psu.edu/mtah/photos/photos_saugus.htm The Saugus Ironworks is really cool. After the American Iron & Steel Institute paid for the archaeology and restoration, they ran the blast furnace and finery/chafery at least once. They made a docu movie which has footage of the furnace running and operating the huge helve hammer. (Sadly, only about 30 sec. of each.) Then they turned it over to the US National Park Service which allowed everything to deteriorate. When I visited, late 80s IIRC, the hammer could be run but much of the works was inoperable. The water wheels run on water pumped from the river below because the former mill pond is now a heavily built up residential area. Big ol' pump concealed in the restored "coal shed". As intriguing as the actual site is, the it is equally so that they could organize it at all when the England, the source of the money, technology and skills was engaged in a furious and bloody civil war over religion, politics, regicide and other unpleasantnesses. In any event, they managed to bring the latest iron-making technology to the wilderness, a technical success if not a capitalist one. When I was little my father bought lumber to repair our 1830 house at a water-powered sawmill. Really cool. Our 1860-1880 house has vertical 3" thick hemlock plank walls, cut on an up-and-down saw. Allegedly there was such a saw in operation in a nearby village until the 1930s. There is still an oar & handle mill at the mill pond there. The present owner has hopes of restoring the head race, repairing the gates and running it on water. The turbine is still functional as it was in operation as recently as the late 70s. Turbines were far more common here than water wheels because most mill ponds were in relatively flat country rather than having numerous deep defiles with streams at the bottom -- low dams, low head but plenty of head for a vertical shaft cast iron turbine. -- Mike Spencer Nova Scotia, Canada |
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... Larry Jaques writes: On Sun, 3 Feb 2019 13:54:17 -0500, "Jim Wilkins" wrote: New England has preserved some of that history. We took a school trip to this place not long after it was restored and they demonstrated the waterwheels and trip hammer and explained the tedious process of squeezing the slag out of a bloom of iron, one of which they had on display. https://www.engr.psu.edu/mtah/photos/photos_saugus.htm The Saugus Ironworks is really cool. After the American Iron & Steel Institute paid for the archaeology and restoration, they ran the blast furnace and finery/chafery at least once. They made a docu movie which has footage of the furnace running and operating the huge helve hammer. (Sadly, only about 30 sec. of each.) Then they turned it over to the US National Park Service which allowed everything to deteriorate. When I visited, late 80s IIRC, the hammer could be run but much of the works was inoperable. The water wheels run on water pumped from the river below because the former mill pond is now a heavily built up residential area. Big ol' pump concealed in the restored "coal shed". .......... -- Mike Spencer Nova Scotia, Canada I remember thinking the hammer drive didn't seem built to withstand much use, as I had made toy wooden models of machinery and seen how fast wood rubbing surfaces wear. The Taylor mill had more iron reinforcement on its wooden linkages and much of it had worked loose, making the operation quite clanky. The operator told me it had been assembled from salvaged mill parts and wasn't really historically accurate. IIRC the fittings had been cast instead of forged. While he watched the saw the operator was splitting wooden shingles with a ragged excuse for a froe. There was no maintenance fund to buy a decent one. My first attempt to make them a froe is far below museum quality. At least I got the parts I'd collected for a heat treating oven assembled and working. My father had an old Audel Millwrights and Mechanics Guide from his time in the cotton mills so I had an idea of the work involved. If you mastered all the skills in that book you could recreate civilization. -jsw |
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Why do you think US and Canadian speech sounds almost identical yet so different from British? |
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"Jim Wilkins" writes: "Mike Spencer" wrote in message [I didn't write that; you did. :-] Why do you think US and Canadian speech sounds almost identical yet so different from British? To the extent that's true, I'd assume the influence of the media. Lots of US TV here in Canada, not so much from the UK. I haven't had a TV for 40 years but I see it periodically over my dentist's chair. Last time to the tooth wrangler, I realized US TV can be characterized as "fat people yelling at each other". Unfair, I know, to programs such as yoga classes but a fair first approximation? But then... Many up-scale folks in Toronto & Ottawa have inflections that sound to people from other provinces as "kinda British". Rural people in Nova Scotia didn't sound either Brit or Merkin 50 years ago, unique Lunenburg (German influence) and Cape Breton (Scots and Gaelic) pronounciation and usage. After moving here 50 years ago, I had to learn that "C'mintha hice" was an invitation to enter. That's all fading gradually away. In 1980, I was on a bus filled with other blacksmiths proceeding from Ironbridge to Hereford. A guy in the seat behind me -- a certified Brit whose normal delivery was what I took to be UK upper-middle-class urban -- was recounting a yarn to his seatmate in some particular English regional dialect. It sounded exactly like the adults I knew in (Leftpondian) New Hampshire 65 years ago. -- Mike Spencer Nova Scotia, Canada |
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... "Jim Wilkins" writes: "Mike Spencer" wrote in message [I didn't write that; you did. :-] Why do you think US and Canadian speech sounds almost identical yet so different from British? To the extent that's true, I'd assume the influence of the media. Lots of US TV here in Canada, not so much from the UK. I haven't had a TV for 40 years but I see it periodically over my dentist's chair. Last time to the tooth wrangler, I realized US TV can be characterized as "fat people yelling at each other". Unfair, I know, to programs such as yoga classes but a fair first approximation? But then... Many up-scale folks in Toronto & Ottawa have inflections that sound to people from other provinces as "kinda British". Rural people in Nova Scotia didn't sound either Brit or Merkin 50 years ago, unique Lunenburg (German influence) and Cape Breton (Scots and Gaelic) pronounciation and usage. After moving here 50 years ago, I had to learn that "C'mintha hice" was an invitation to enter. That's all fading gradually away. In 1980, I was on a bus filled with other blacksmiths proceeding from Ironbridge to Hereford. A guy in the seat behind me -- a certified Brit whose normal delivery was what I took to be UK upper-middle-class urban -- was recounting a yarn to his seatmate in some particular English regional dialect. It sounded exactly like the adults I knew in (Leftpondian) New Hampshire 65 years ago. -- Mike Spencer Nova Scotia, Canada My grandmother had the traditional New Hampshire accent but my mother didn't, and my father had completely lost his southern Appalachian accent, both before television. I think WW2 stirring the younger people all together had a considerable effect. Chuck Yeager's backwoods twang was said to be incomprehensible at first, then after he gained fame many pilots imitated his drawl on the radio. In Atlanta I noticed that network TV announcers spoke in the "standard" Midwestern accent. My real question is whether or not Canadians allowed themselves to be influenced by USian speech. My impression is that like Quebecois we are tolerated but not imitated. http://www.bl.uk/learning/langlit/so...pronunciation/ Somewhere (haven't found it) I read that RP was an imitation of the newly rich East Midlands mill owners and their public (USA: private) school sons, a product of the Industrial Revolution that took hold simultaneously with our Revolution, so that Americans who visited London afterwards commented on the change while the USA and Canada preserved the older accent. -jsw |
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... "Jim Wilkins" writes: "Mike Spencer" wrote in message [I didn't write that; you did. :-] Why do you think US and Canadian speech sounds almost identical yet so different from British? To the extent that's true, I'd assume the influence of the media. Lots of US TV here in Canada, not so much from the UK. I haven't had a TV for 40 years but I see it periodically over my dentist's chair. Last time to the tooth wrangler, I realized US TV can be characterized as "fat people yelling at each other". Unfair, I know, to programs such as yoga classes but a fair first approximation? But then... Many up-scale folks in Toronto & Ottawa have inflections that sound to people from other provinces as "kinda British". Rural people in Nova Scotia didn't sound either Brit or Merkin 50 years ago, unique Lunenburg (German influence) and Cape Breton (Scots and Gaelic) pronounciation and usage. After moving here 50 years ago, I had to learn that "C'mintha hice" was an invitation to enter. That's all fading gradually away. The PBS network presents BBC dramas like Masterpiece Theatre, Dr Who and Downton Abbey, and David Attenborough narrates Nature, so we can hear plenty of proper British if we choose to. The only Canadian show I watched regularly was Forever Knight, set in Toronto. Geraint Wyn Davies and Catherine Disher could be mistaken for Americans, Nigel Bennet delivered his midnight radio host monologs as though he was doing Shakespeare. https://www.gryffonslair.com/fk/lccerks3.html Others assumed various accents including Cockney. You might know Wyn Davies from the Nova Scotia series Black Harbour. -jsw |
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On 07/02/2019 06:52, Mike Spencer wrote:
"Jim Wilkins" writes: "Mike Spencer" wrote in message [I didn't write that; you did. :-] Why do you think US and Canadian speech sounds almost identical yet so different from British? To the extent that's true, I'd assume the influence of the media. Lots of US TV here in Canada, not so much from the UK. I haven't had a TV for 40 years but I see it periodically over my dentist's chair. Last time to the tooth wrangler, I realized US TV can be characterized as "fat people yelling at each other". Unfair, I know, to programs such as yoga classes but a fair first approximation? But then... Many up-scale folks in Toronto & Ottawa have inflections that sound to people from other provinces as "kinda British". Rural people in Nova Scotia didn't sound either Brit or Merkin 50 years ago, unique Lunenburg (German influence) and Cape Breton (Scots and Gaelic) pronounciation and usage. After moving here 50 years ago, I had to learn that "C'mintha hice" was an invitation to enter. That's all fading gradually away. In 1980, I was on a bus filled with other blacksmiths proceeding from Ironbridge to Hereford. A guy in the seat behind me -- a certified Brit whose normal delivery was what I took to be UK upper-middle-class urban -- was recounting a yarn to his seatmate in some particular English regional dialect. It sounded exactly like the adults I knew in (Leftpondian) New Hampshire 65 years ago. I think TV has an influence as a number of Dutch friends, especially younger ones, speak English with a pronounced US accent and they have a lot of US programs on Dutch TV. |
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... "Jim Wilkins" writes: "Mike Spencer" wrote in message [I didn't write that; you did. :-] Sorry, I forgot the ellipsis. |
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... On 07/02/2019 06:52, Mike Spencer wrote: "Jim Wilkins" writes: "Mike Spencer" wrote in message [I didn't write that; you did. :-] Why do you think US and Canadian speech sounds almost identical yet so different from British? To the extent that's true, I'd assume the influence of the media. Lots of US TV here in Canada, not so much from the UK. I haven't had a TV for 40 years but I see it periodically over my dentist's chair. Last time to the tooth wrangler, I realized US TV can be characterized as "fat people yelling at each other". Unfair, I know, to programs such as yoga classes but a fair first approximation? But then... Many up-scale folks in Toronto & Ottawa have inflections that sound to people from other provinces as "kinda British". Rural people in Nova Scotia didn't sound either Brit or Merkin 50 years ago, unique Lunenburg (German influence) and Cape Breton (Scots and Gaelic) pronounciation and usage. After moving here 50 years ago, I had to learn that "C'mintha hice" was an invitation to enter. That's all fading gradually away. In 1980, I was on a bus filled with other blacksmiths proceeding from Ironbridge to Hereford. A guy in the seat behind me -- a certified Brit whose normal delivery was what I took to be UK upper-middle-class urban -- was recounting a yarn to his seatmate in some particular English regional dialect. It sounded exactly like the adults I knew in (Leftpondian) New Hampshire 65 years ago. I think TV has an influence as a number of Dutch friends, especially younger ones, speak English with a pronounced US accent and they have a lot of US programs on Dutch TV. The Germans who spoke English sounded American too. Generally the well-educated foreign English speakers I've met, such as from Argentina and Africa, had British accents. I don't expect American to be the world standard. |
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On Thursday, February 7, 2019 at 11:37:30 AM UTC-5, Jim Wilkins wrote:
"David Billington" wrote in message ... On 07/02/2019 06:52, Mike Spencer wrote: "Jim Wilkins" writes: "Mike Spencer" wrote in message [I didn't write that; you did. :-] Why do you think US and Canadian speech sounds almost identical yet so different from British? To the extent that's true, I'd assume the influence of the media. Lots of US TV here in Canada, not so much from the UK. I haven't had a TV for 40 years but I see it periodically over my dentist's chair. Last time to the tooth wrangler, I realized US TV can be characterized as "fat people yelling at each other". Unfair, I know, to programs such as yoga classes but a fair first approximation? But then... Many up-scale folks in Toronto & Ottawa have inflections that sound to people from other provinces as "kinda British". Rural people in Nova Scotia didn't sound either Brit or Merkin 50 years ago, unique Lunenburg (German influence) and Cape Breton (Scots and Gaelic) pronounciation and usage. After moving here 50 years ago, I had to learn that "C'mintha hice" was an invitation to enter. That's all fading gradually away. In 1980, I was on a bus filled with other blacksmiths proceeding from Ironbridge to Hereford. A guy in the seat behind me -- a certified Brit whose normal delivery was what I took to be UK upper-middle-class urban -- was recounting a yarn to his seatmate in some particular English regional dialect. It sounded exactly like the adults I knew in (Leftpondian) New Hampshire 65 years ago. I think TV has an influence as a number of Dutch friends, especially younger ones, speak English with a pronounced US accent and they have a lot of US programs on Dutch TV. The Germans who spoke English sounded American too. Generally the well-educated foreign English speakers I've met, such as from Argentina and Africa, had British accents. I don't expect American to be the world standard. A few decades ago, linguists were saying that the main influence that distinguished American English was that of German immigrants. The blended result was the general accent we Murkins have today. I haven't checked to see if this opinion has remained the same in the years since. Of course, there were many other influences as well, and a lot of regional differences that are slowly disappearing. For example, the area of New England from Providence to the north still tends toward non-rhotic ("r" is silent) pronunciations, except for those who came from southwestern England (like my ancestors). -- Ed Huntress |
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On Wednesday, February 6, 2019 at 5:34:54 AM UTC-8, Jim Wilkins wrote:
[about Saugus ironworks ] I remember thinking the hammer drive didn't seem built to withstand much use, as I had made toy wooden models of machinery and seen how fast wood rubbing surfaces wear. In the age of sail, the wood used for rubbing surfaces was lignum vitae or similar; it wore rather better than one would expect. And, it's endangered with very little available for modelmaking. Some old eighteenth-century clocks with lignum vitae bearings are still telling time. |
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... On Wednesday, February 6, 2019 at 5:34:54 AM UTC-8, Jim Wilkins wrote: [about Saugus ironworks ] I remember thinking the hammer drive didn't seem built to withstand much use, as I had made toy wooden models of machinery and seen how fast wood rubbing surfaces wear. In the age of sail, the wood used for rubbing surfaces was lignum vitae or similar; it wore rather better than one would expect. And, it's endangered with very little available for modelmaking. Some old eighteenth-century clocks with lignum vitae bearings are still telling time. https://lignumvitaesolutions.com/ind...rine-industry/ My family heirloom wooden-geared grandfather clock is still telling the time every 6:03. My memory of visiting the Saugus Iron Works some 60 years ago was that it looked "authentic", ie crude, compared to the structure in our 1830 mill owner's house. |
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