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What is this 4 axis set up called?
Hey does anyone know what the correct name for this 4 axis set up is
called and possibly who makes it? http://www.eevblog.com/forum/reviews/what-is-the-name-of-this-5-axis-positioning-tool/?action=dlattach;attach=617821;image |
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What is this 4 axis set up called?
On 2019-01-13, JimmyMcGill wrote:
Hey does anyone know what the correct name for this 4 axis set up is called and possibly who makes it? http://www.eevblog.com/forum/reviews/what-is-the-name-of-this-5-axis-positioning-tool/?action=dlattach;attach=617821;image It looks to me like a combination of a milling attachment for a lathe (the vertical part replaces the compound), and a 2-axis X-Y table missing the table top. Is it sure that the same company made both parts? The bottom (X-Y) part looks like something which Sears sold way back when. Note that the handwheel on the vertical leadscrew is different from those on the X and Y axes. Enjoy, DoN. -- Remove oil spill source from e-mail Email: | (KV4PH) Voice (all times): (703) 938-4564 (too) near Washington D.C. | http://www.d-and-d.com/dnichols/DoN.html --- Black Holes are where God is dividing by zero --- |
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On 14 Jan 2019 01:57:30 GMT, "DoN. Nichols"
wrote: On 2019-01-13, JimmyMcGill wrote: Hey does anyone know what the correct name for this 4 axis set up is called and possibly who makes it? http://www.eevblog.com/forum/reviews/what-is-the-name-of-this-5-axis-positioning-tool/?action=dlattach;attach=617821;image It looks to me like a combination of a milling attachment for a lathe (the vertical part replaces the compound), and a 2-axis X-Y table missing the table top. Is it sure that the same company made both parts? The bottom (X-Y) part looks like something which Sears sold way back when. Note that the handwheel on the vertical leadscrew is different from those on the X and Y axes. Enjoy, DoN. Looks like some kind of Rube Goldberg setup of some sort - - - I'm thinking at leeast 2 more or less unrelated tools fastened together. |
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On Sunday, January 13, 2019 at 11:01:39 PM UTC-5, Clare wrote:
On 14 Jan 2019 01:57:30 GMT, "DoN. Nichols" wrote: On 2019-01-13, JimmyMcGill wrote: Hey does anyone know what the correct name for this 4 axis set up is called and possibly who makes it? http://www.eevblog.com/forum/reviews/what-is-the-name-of-this-5-axis-positioning-tool/?action=dlattach;attach=617821;image It looks to me like a combination of a milling attachment for a lathe (the vertical part replaces the compound), and a 2-axis X-Y table missing the table top. Is it sure that the same company made both parts? The bottom (X-Y) part looks like something which Sears sold way back when. Note that the handwheel on the vertical leadscrew is different from those on the X and Y axes. Enjoy, DoN. Looks like some kind of Rube Goldberg setup of some sort - - - I'm thinking at leeast 2 more or less unrelated tools fastened together. Rube would have fun with that thing. g There is no way that combination of slides and clamps could stand up to a cut made with any kind of metalworking machine. It has looseness, flexing and backlash written all over it. The top part looks like a larger version of the milling attachment on my South Bend 10L lathe, which is original equipment. In terms of relative sizes, though, the X-Y base is much larger that on the assembly in the photo. -- Ed Huntress |
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... On Sunday, January 13, 2019 at 11:01:39 PM UTC-5, Clare wrote: On 14 Jan 2019 01:57:30 GMT, "DoN. Nichols" wrote: On 2019-01-13, JimmyMcGill wrote: Hey does anyone know what the correct name for this 4 axis set up is called and possibly who makes it? http://www.eevblog.com/forum/reviews/what-is-the-name-of-this-5-axis-positioning-tool/?action=dlattach;attach=617821;image It looks to me like a combination of a milling attachment for a lathe (the vertical part replaces the compound), and a 2-axis X-Y table missing the table top. Is it sure that the same company made both parts? The bottom (X-Y) part looks like something which Sears sold way back when. Note that the handwheel on the vertical leadscrew is different from those on the X and Y axes. Enjoy, DoN. Looks like some kind of Rube Goldberg setup of some sort - - - I'm thinking at leeast 2 more or less unrelated tools fastened together. Rube would have fun with that thing. g There is no way that combination of slides and clamps could stand up to a cut made with any kind of metalworking machine. It has looseness, flexing and backlash written all over it. The top part looks like a larger version of the milling attachment on my South Bend 10L lathe, which is original equipment. In terms of relative sizes, though, the X-Y base is much larger that on the assembly in the photo. -- Ed Huntress It does look very South Bend-ish but the only details that match my Heavy 10 milling attachment are visible end of the upright slide base and the vise opening with square head clamping screws. The vise on mine is part of the slide casting and the tilting joint is on the back of the slide base. The vertical leadscrew on mine ends in a round shaft above the same bushing. The unbalanced removeable handle crank engages a protruding dowel pin at about the height of the socket head screw on the right. -jsw |
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On Monday, January 14, 2019 at 7:45:09 AM UTC-5, Jim Wilkins wrote:
wrote in message ... On Sunday, January 13, 2019 at 11:01:39 PM UTC-5, Clare wrote: On 14 Jan 2019 01:57:30 GMT, "DoN. Nichols" wrote: On 2019-01-13, JimmyMcGill wrote: Hey does anyone know what the correct name for this 4 axis set up is called and possibly who makes it? http://www.eevblog.com/forum/reviews/what-is-the-name-of-this-5-axis-positioning-tool/?action=dlattach;attach=617821;image It looks to me like a combination of a milling attachment for a lathe (the vertical part replaces the compound), and a 2-axis X-Y table missing the table top. Is it sure that the same company made both parts? The bottom (X-Y) part looks like something which Sears sold way back when. Note that the handwheel on the vertical leadscrew is different from those on the X and Y axes. Enjoy, DoN. Looks like some kind of Rube Goldberg setup of some sort - - - I'm thinking at leeast 2 more or less unrelated tools fastened together. Rube would have fun with that thing. g There is no way that combination of slides and clamps could stand up to a cut made with any kind of metalworking machine. It has looseness, flexing and backlash written all over it. The top part looks like a larger version of the milling attachment on my South Bend 10L lathe, which is original equipment. In terms of relative sizes, though, the X-Y base is much larger that on the assembly in the photo. -- Ed Huntress It does look very South Bend-ish but the only details that match my Heavy 10 milling attachment are visible end of the upright slide base and the vise opening with square head clamping screws. The vise on mine is part of the slide casting and the tilting joint is on the back of the slide base. The vertical leadscrew on mine ends in a round shaft above the same bushing. The unbalanced removeable handle crank engages a protruding dowel pin at about the height of the socket head screw on the right. -jsw Yeah, that's the way mine works, too. It was part of the kit that came with the lathe: War Board, built for the Navy in 1945, and all surfaces on the milling attachment are machined. But, if my failing memory serves, the milling attachments for larger SB lathes were more like the one in the photo. -- Ed Huntress |
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... On Sunday, January 13, 2019 at 11:01:39 PM UTC-5, Clare wrote: On 14 Jan 2019 01:57:30 GMT, "DoN. Nichols" wrote: On 2019-01-13, JimmyMcGill wrote: Hey does anyone know what the correct name for this 4 axis set up is called and possibly who makes it? http://www.eevblog.com/forum/reviews/what-is-the-name-of-this-5-axis-positioning-tool/?action=dlattach;attach=617821;image It looks to me like a combination of a milling attachment for a lathe (the vertical part replaces the compound), and a 2-axis X-Y table missing the table top. Is it sure that the same company made both parts? The bottom (X-Y) part looks like something which Sears sold way back when. Note that the handwheel on the vertical leadscrew is different from those on the X and Y axes. Enjoy, DoN. Looks like some kind of Rube Goldberg setup of some sort - - - I'm thinking at leeast 2 more or less unrelated tools fastened together. Rube would have fun with that thing. g There is no way that combination of slides and clamps could stand up to a cut made with any kind of metalworking machine. It has looseness, flexing and backlash written all over it. The top part looks like a larger version of the milling attachment on my South Bend 10L lathe, which is original equipment. In terms of relative sizes, though, the X-Y base is much larger that on the assembly in the photo. -- Ed Huntress Those are Atlases. They use the same castings and dovetail sizes on several different assemblies. Someone frankensteined a 10" lathe milling attachment to the top of an X-Y table that they removed the table from. They might have had to add a cross slide from the 10" into the mix. I don't remember if the X-Y table had a swivel. Paul K. Dickman |
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... On Monday, January 14, 2019 at 7:45:09 AM UTC-5, Jim Wilkins wrote: wrote in message ... On Sunday, January 13, 2019 at 11:01:39 PM UTC-5, Clare wrote: On 14 Jan 2019 01:57:30 GMT, "DoN. Nichols" wrote: On 2019-01-13, JimmyMcGill wrote: Hey does anyone know what the correct name for this 4 axis set up is called and possibly who makes it? http://www.eevblog.com/forum/reviews/what-is-the-name-of-this-5-axis-positioning-tool/?action=dlattach;attach=617821;image It looks to me like a combination of a milling attachment for a lathe (the vertical part replaces the compound), and a 2-axis X-Y table missing the table top. Is it sure that the same company made both parts? The bottom (X-Y) part looks like something which Sears sold way back when. Note that the handwheel on the vertical leadscrew is different from those on the X and Y axes. Enjoy, DoN. Looks like some kind of Rube Goldberg setup of some sort - - - I'm thinking at leeast 2 more or less unrelated tools fastened together. Rube would have fun with that thing. g There is no way that combination of slides and clamps could stand up to a cut made with any kind of metalworking machine. It has looseness, flexing and backlash written all over it. The top part looks like a larger version of the milling attachment on my South Bend 10L lathe, which is original equipment. In terms of relative sizes, though, the X-Y base is much larger that on the assembly in the photo. -- Ed Huntress It does look very South Bend-ish but the only details that match my Heavy 10 milling attachment are visible end of the upright slide base and the vise opening with square head clamping screws. The vise on mine is part of the slide casting and the tilting joint is on the back of the slide base. The vertical leadscrew on mine ends in a round shaft above the same bushing. The unbalanced removeable handle crank engages a protruding dowel pin at about the height of the socket head screw on the right. -jsw Yeah, that's the way mine works, too. It was part of the kit that came with the lathe: War Board, built for the Navy in 1945, and all surfaces on the milling attachment are machined. But, if my failing memory serves, the milling attachments for larger SB lathes were more like the one in the photo. -- Ed Huntress http://shdesigns.org/Craftsman-12x36/mill1.jpg |
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On Monday, January 14, 2019 at 4:21:57 PM UTC-5, Paul K. Dickman wrote:
wrote in message ... On Sunday, January 13, 2019 at 11:01:39 PM UTC-5, Clare wrote: On 14 Jan 2019 01:57:30 GMT, "DoN. Nichols" wrote: On 2019-01-13, JimmyMcGill wrote: Hey does anyone know what the correct name for this 4 axis set up is called and possibly who makes it? http://www.eevblog.com/forum/reviews/what-is-the-name-of-this-5-axis-positioning-tool/?action=dlattach;attach=617821;image It looks to me like a combination of a milling attachment for a lathe (the vertical part replaces the compound), and a 2-axis X-Y table missing the table top. Is it sure that the same company made both parts? The bottom (X-Y) part looks like something which Sears sold way back when. Note that the handwheel on the vertical leadscrew is different from those on the X and Y axes. Enjoy, DoN. Looks like some kind of Rube Goldberg setup of some sort - - - I'm thinking at leeast 2 more or less unrelated tools fastened together. Rube would have fun with that thing. g There is no way that combination of slides and clamps could stand up to a cut made with any kind of metalworking machine. It has looseness, flexing and backlash written all over it. The top part looks like a larger version of the milling attachment on my South Bend 10L lathe, which is original equipment. In terms of relative sizes, though, the X-Y base is much larger that on the assembly in the photo. -- Ed Huntress Those are Atlases. They use the same castings and dovetail sizes on several different assemblies. Someone frankensteined a 10" lathe milling attachment to the top of an X-Y table that they removed the table from. They might have had to add a cross slide from the 10" into the mix. I don't remember if the X-Y table had a swivel. Paul K. Dickman Aha. That must have been a common configuration. I see from Jim's link that it's like one on the Sears lathes that were built by Atlas. -- Ed Huntress |
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On Mon, 14 Jan 2019 15:21:16 -0600, "Paul K. Dickman"
wrote: wrote in message ... On Sunday, January 13, 2019 at 11:01:39 PM UTC-5, Clare wrote: On 14 Jan 2019 01:57:30 GMT, "DoN. Nichols" wrote: On 2019-01-13, JimmyMcGill wrote: Hey does anyone know what the correct name for this 4 axis set up is called and possibly who makes it? http://www.eevblog.com/forum/reviews/what-is-the-name-of-this-5-axis-positioning-tool/?action=dlattach;attach=617821;image It looks to me like a combination of a milling attachment for a lathe (the vertical part replaces the compound), and a 2-axis X-Y table missing the table top. Is it sure that the same company made both parts? The bottom (X-Y) part looks like something which Sears sold way back when. Note that the handwheel on the vertical leadscrew is different from those on the X and Y axes. Enjoy, DoN. Looks like some kind of Rube Goldberg setup of some sort - - - I'm thinking at leeast 2 more or less unrelated tools fastened together. Rube would have fun with that thing. g There is no way that combination of slides and clamps could stand up to a cut made with any kind of metalworking machine. It has looseness, flexing and backlash written all over it. The top part looks like a larger version of the milling attachment on my South Bend 10L lathe, which is original equipment. In terms of relative sizes, though, the X-Y base is much larger that on the assembly in the photo. -- Ed Huntress Those are Atlases. They use the same castings and dovetail sizes on several different assemblies. Someone frankensteined a 10" lathe milling attachment to the top of an X-Y table that they removed the table from. They might have had to add a cross slide from the 10" into the mix. I don't remember if the X-Y table had a swivel. Paul K. Dickman Like I said - a "Rube Goldberg" setup - - - |
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On Sun, 13 Jan 2019 21:25:56 +0800, JimmyMcGill wrote:
Hey does anyone know what the correct name for this 4 axis set up is called and possibly who makes it? http://www.eevblog.com/forum/reviews/what-is-the-name-of-this-5-axis-positioning-tool/?action=dlattach;attach=617821;image Its a Palmgren unit. __ "Poor widdle Wudy...mentally ill, lies constantly, doesnt know who he is, or even what gender "he" is. No more pathetic creature has ever walked the earth. But...he is locked into a mental hospital for the safety of the public. Which is a very good thing." Asun rauhassa, valmistaudun sotaan. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus |
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On 2019-01-14, Paul K. Dickman wrote:
wrote in message ... On Sunday, January 13, 2019 at 11:01:39 PM UTC-5, Clare wrote: On 14 Jan 2019 01:57:30 GMT, "DoN. Nichols" wrote: On 2019-01-13, JimmyMcGill wrote: Hey does anyone know what the correct name for this 4 axis set up is called and possibly who makes it? http://www.eevblog.com/forum/reviews/what-is-the-name-of-this-5-axis-positioning-tool/?action=dlattach;attach=617821;image It looks to me like a combination of a milling attachment for a lathe (the vertical part replaces the compound), and a 2-axis X-Y table missing the table top. [ ... ] Those are Atlases. They use the same castings and dovetail sizes on several different assemblies. Someone frankensteined a 10" lathe milling attachment to the top of an X-Y table that they removed the table from. They might have had to add a cross slide from the 10" into the mix. I don't remember if the X-Y table had a swivel. The X-Y table which I had/"have somewhere" has a swivel. Loosen two Allen-head cap screws, and it rotates. I can't swear whether it is Atlas or not, as it was quite old when I got it. Paul K. Dickman Enjoy, DoN. -- Remove oil spill source from e-mail Email: | (KV4PH) Voice (all times): (703) 938-4564 (too) near Washington D.C. | http://www.d-and-d.com/dnichols/DoN.html --- Black Holes are where God is dividing by zero --- |
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On Sun, 13 Jan 2019 23:00:41 -0500, Clare Snyder
wrote: On 14 Jan 2019 01:57:30 GMT, "DoN. Nichols" wrote: On 2019-01-13, JimmyMcGill wrote: Hey does anyone know what the correct name for this 4 axis set up is called and possibly who makes it? http://www.eevblog.com/forum/reviews/what-is-the-name-of-this-5-axis-positioning-tool/?action=dlattach;attach=617821;image It looks to me like a combination of a milling attachment for a lathe (the vertical part replaces the compound), and a 2-axis X-Y table missing the table top. Is it sure that the same company made both parts? The bottom (X-Y) part looks like something which Sears sold way back when. Note that the handwheel on the vertical leadscrew is different from those on the X and Y axes. Enjoy, DoN. Looks like some kind of Rube Goldberg setup of some sort - - - I'm thinking at leeast 2 more or less unrelated tools fastened together. Someone must have left them alone together in the shop for too long. -- "I have noticed even people who claim everything is predestined and that we can do nothing to change it look before they cross the road." --Steven Hawking |
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What is this 4 axis set up called?
A torus is 4 dimension so you need more axis than 3.
Many shapes - saddles are multiple dimensions. Saddles are not just for horses but holds pipe and rods. All sorts of shapes require more than an old fashioned 3. Try to mill a Propeller with a 3 axis - have the 3 blades cut in their complex shape. Martin On 1/13/2019 7:25 AM, JimmyMcGill wrote: Hey does anyone know what the correct name for this 4 axis set up is called and possibly who makes it? http://www.eevblog.com/forum/reviews/what-is-the-name-of-this-5-axis-positioning-tool/?action=dlattach;attach=617821;image |
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So buy this and lock down an axis.
On 1/13/2019 7:25 AM, JimmyMcGill wrote: Hey does anyone know what the correct name for this 4 axis set up is called and possibly who makes it? http://www.eevblog.com/forum/reviews/what-is-the-name-of-this-5-axis-positioning-tool/?action=dlattach;attach=617821;image |
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On Tuesday, January 22, 2019 at 7:30:09 PM UTC-5, Martin Eastburn wrote:
A torus is 4 dimension so you need more axis than 3. It's not "4 dimension," but you need an additional half-axis (a rotary indexed"flip" to machine the back side of the donut) to machine it with a conventional machine tool. It could be machined, theoretically, with a 3-axis CNC EDM and a disk-shaped electrode, depending on the relative diameter of the hole in the torus. Actually, with a weirdly shaped electrode, you could do it regardless of hole size. Many shapes - saddles are multiple dimensions. No. Saddles are not just for horses but holds pipe and rods. Saddles (hyperbolic paraboloids) are widely used for roofs in architecture. The shape can be milled with a conventional 3-axis mill with continuous-contouring capability and somebody who can program in something more than ordinary shop math. A really interesting thing about saddles is that they can be *lapped* by hand. In fact, they sometimes are, when someone tries to do the three-flat lapping trick to make flat surfaces, and they screw up the rotation sequence. Surprise! You made a hyperbolic paraboloid without even trying! g All sorts of shapes require more than an old fashioned 3. Try to mill a Propeller with a 3 axis - have the 3 blades cut in their complex shape. Again 3 axis and a 180-degree rotary flip of the fixture. That may not be an efficient way to do it, but it can be done. Martin On 1/13/2019 7:25 AM, JimmyMcGill wrote: Hey does anyone know what the correct name for this 4 axis set up is called and possibly who makes it? http://www.eevblog.com/forum/reviews/what-is-the-name-of-this-5-axis-positioning-tool/?action=dlattach;attach=617821;image -- Ed Huntress |
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