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Totally shocking size of this hammer, and incredible operation.

https://www.machinerymoverschicago.c...orging-Hammer/
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On Wednesday, June 6, 2018 at 8:49:36 PM UTC-4, Ignoramus22513 wrote:
Totally shocking size of this hammer, and incredible operation.

https://www.machinerymoverschicago.c...orging-Hammer/


That looks like a hammer I saw at Finkl Steel in Chicago, 40 years ago. It was forging billets of tools steel, a bit larger than the piece in your video.

Finkl moved and has modernized its equipment, so it's probably not the same hammer. What company is that?

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On Wednesday, June 6, 2018 at 8:49:36 PM UTC-4, Ignoramus22513 wrote:
Totally shocking size of this hammer, and incredible operation.

https://www.machinerymoverschicago.c...orging-Hammer/


That looks like a hammer I saw at Finkl Steel in Chicago, 40 years ago. It
was forging billets of tools steel, a bit larger than the piece in your
video.

Finkl moved and has modernized its equipment, so it's probably not the
same hammer. What company is that?

--
Ed Huntress


Damn, I miss Finkl. Their old plant used to be about a mile away from me.
When ever I was jonesing for some heavy industry, I would run up to
Finkltown and watch real men bend raw elements to their will.
On a good day, the Finklmobile would roll across Cortland carrying a giant
red hot billet of steel. From thirty feet away, the radiant heat through
your windshield was like climbing inside a hot oven.

Paul K. DIckman


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Totally shocking size of this hammer, and incredible operation.

https://www.machinerymoverschicago.c...orging-Hammer/


WOW, had no idea such gear was still in use! What the heck were they
making?

Jon
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Totally shocking size of this hammer, and incredible operation.

https://www.machinerymoverschicago.c...orging-Hammer/


That looks like a hammer I saw at Finkl Steel in Chicago, 40 years ago. It
was forging billets of tools steel, a bit larger than the piece in your
video.

Finkl moved and has modernized its equipment, so it's probably not the
same hammer. What company is that?

--
Ed Huntress


Damn, I miss Finkl. Their old plant used to be about a mile away from me.
When ever I was jonesing for some heavy industry, I would run up to
Finkltown and watch real men bend raw elements to their will.
On a good day, the Finklmobile would roll across Cortland carrying a giant
red hot billet of steel. From thirty feet away, the radiant heat through
your windshield was like climbing inside a hot oven.

Paul K. DIckman


I stood on a catwalk maybe 40 feet away from one of those billets, and I had to turn away from the heat. That was a real "Giants of Industry" operation.

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Totally shocking size of this hammer, and incredible operation.

https://www.machinerymoverschicago.c...orging-Hammer/

That looks like a hammer I saw at Finkl Steel in Chicago, 40 years ago.
It
was forging billets of tools steel, a bit larger than the piece in your
video.

Finkl moved and has modernized its equipment, so it's probably not the
same hammer. What company is that?

--
Ed Huntress

Damn, I miss Finkl. Their old plant used to be about a mile away from
me.
When ever I was jonesing for some heavy industry, I would run up to
Finkltown and watch real men bend raw elements to their will.
On a good day, the Finklmobile would roll across Cortland carrying a
giant
red hot billet of steel. From thirty feet away, the radiant heat through
your windshield was like climbing inside a hot oven.

Paul K. DIckman


I stood on a catwalk maybe 40 feet away from one of those billets, and I
had to turn away from the heat. That was a real "Giants of Industry"
operation.

--
Ed Huntress


It was impressive
Because their operations were on both sides of the street, sometimes they
had to haul it between two buildings.
You would just be sitting at the stoplight when this thing,
https://www.flickr.com/photos/143261836@N06/30022773846
would roll across the street with a glowing chunk of steel, bigger than a
refrigerator, slung under it.

The first time it happened, you would get out of the car to see if the heat
blistered your paint.

Most days, the doors to their forging operations were wide open. I could
stand on the sidewalk and watch 'em for hours.

Paul K. Dickman


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Totally shocking size of this hammer, and incredible operation.

https://www.machinerymoverschicago.c...orging-Hammer/


Reminded me of the Creusot Steam hammer in France which I read about
recently in Model Engineer
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creusot_steam_hammer .

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On Wed, 06 Jun 2018 19:49:29 -0500, Ignoramus22513 wrote:

Totally shocking size of this hammer, and incredible operation.

https://www.machinerymoverschicago.c...orging-Hammer/


WOW, had no idea such gear was still in use! What the heck were they
making?

Jon



Even California has bigger forging presses. Most are hydraulically
operated these days. Control is far far better and can be tuned to
whatever you are forging.

http://web.webermetals.com/60000-ton-press/

Thats 60,000 Tons..per square inch btw

I believe Ive posted these job site phots before

31,000 Ton press

https://goo.gl/photos/SSfbczRwjsEtCwyN7

41,000 ton press

https://goo.gl/photos/hEKGca9vzDenPvwU9


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On Wed, 06 Jun 2018 19:49:29 -0500, Ignoramus22513 wrote:

Totally shocking size of this hammer, and incredible operation.

https://www.machinerymoverschicago.c...orging-Hammer/


WOW, had no idea such gear was still in use! What the heck were they
making?

Jon



Even California has bigger forging presses. Most are hydraulically
operated these days. Control is far far better and can be tuned to
whatever you are forging.

http://web.webermetals.com/60000-ton-press/

Thats 60,000 Tons..per square inch btw

I believe Ive posted these job site phots before

31,000 Ton press

https://goo.gl/photos/SSfbczRwjsEtCwyN7

41,000 ton press

https://goo.gl/photos/hEKGca9vzDenPvwU9


Yeah, but there is something satisfying about just hitting it with
a bigger hammer.

I mean, a really, really bigger hammer.
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Thats 60,000 Tons..per square inch btw


Area is what, 10' x 10'? What's the total force work out to?
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On Wed, 06 Jun 2018 19:49:29 -0500, Ignoramus22513 wrote:

Totally shocking size of this hammer, and incredible operation.

https://www.machinerymoverschicago.c...orging-Hammer/


WOW, had no idea such gear was still in use! What the heck were
they
making?

Jon



Even California has bigger forging presses. Most are hydraulically
operated these days. Control is far far better and can be tuned to
whatever you are forging.

http://web.webermetals.com/60000-ton-press/

Thats 60,000 Tons..per square inch btw

I believe Ive posted these job site phots before

31,000 Ton press

https://goo.gl/photos/SSfbczRwjsEtCwyN7

41,000 ton press

https://goo.gl/photos/hEKGca9vzDenPvwU9


The highest pressure presses can fit in your hand:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diamond_anvil_cell
640 GPa = 93,000,000 PSI


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Gunner Asch on Thu, 07 Jun 2018 14:19:20 -0700
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On Thu, 07 Jun 2018 13:46:57 -0500, Jon Elson
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On Wed, 06 Jun 2018 19:49:29 -0500, Ignoramus22513 wrote:

Totally shocking size of this hammer, and incredible operation.

https://www.machinerymoverschicago.c...orging-Hammer/

WOW, had no idea such gear was still in use! What the heck were they
making?

Jon



Even California has bigger forging presses. Most are hydraulically
operated these days. Control is far far better and can be tuned to
whatever you are forging.

http://web.webermetals.com/60000-ton-press/

Thats 60,000 Tons..per square inch btw

I believe Ive posted these job site phots before

31,000 Ton press

https://goo.gl/photos/SSfbczRwjsEtCwyN7

41,000 ton press

https://goo.gl/photos/hEKGca9vzDenPvwU9


Yeah, but there is something satisfying about just hitting it with
a bigger hammer.

I mean, a really, really bigger hammer.
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True..that Bong! is cool..assuming A red hot steel object the size of
a Jeep Cherokee bongs


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Thats 60,000 Tons..per square inch btw


Area is what, 10' x 10'? What's the total force work out to?
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On Wednesday, June 6, 2018 at 8:49:36 PM UTC-4, Ignoramus22513 wrote:
Totally shocking size of this hammer, and incredible operation.

https://www.machinerymoverschicago.c...orging-Hammer/

That looks like a hammer I saw at Finkl Steel in Chicago, 40 years ago. It
was forging billets of tools steel, a bit larger than the piece in your
video.

Finkl moved and has modernized its equipment, so it's probably not the
same hammer. What company is that?


Damn, I miss Finkl. Their old plant used to be about a mile away from me.
When ever I was jonesing for some heavy industry, I would run up to
Finkltown and watch real men bend raw elements to their will.
On a good day, the Finklmobile would roll across Cortland carrying a giant
red hot billet of steel. From thirty feet away, the radiant heat through
your windshield was like climbing inside a hot oven.

Paul K. DIckman


I stood on a catwalk maybe 40 feet away from one of those billets,
and I had to turn away from the heat. That was a real "Giants of
Industry" operation.


Yes, it is amazing how people work there all day!
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Totally shocking size of this hammer, and incredible operation.

https://www.machinerymoverschicago.c...orging-Hammer/

That looks like a hammer I saw at Finkl Steel in Chicago, 40
years ago. It
was forging billets of tools steel, a bit larger than the piece
in your
video.

Finkl moved and has modernized its equipment, so it's probably
not the
same hammer. What company is that?


Damn, I miss Finkl. Their old plant used to be about a mile away
from me.
When ever I was jonesing for some heavy industry, I would run up
to
Finkltown and watch real men bend raw elements to their will.
On a good day, the Finklmobile would roll across Cortland carrying
a giant
red hot billet of steel. From thirty feet away, the radiant heat
through
your windshield was like climbing inside a hot oven.

Paul K. DIckman


I stood on a catwalk maybe 40 feet away from one of those billets,
and I had to turn away from the heat. That was a real "Giants of
Industry" operation.


Yes, it is amazing how people work there all day!


In the blacksmithing class we discussed how some people perceive what
was an interesting hobby for us as a vision of Hell.




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Even California has bigger forging presses. Most are hydraulically
operated these days. Control is far far better and can be tuned to
whatever you are forging.

http://web.webermetals.com/60000-ton-press/

Thats 60,000 Tons..per square inch btw


The highest pressure presses can fit in your hand:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diamond_anvil_cell
640 GPa = 93,000,000 PSI


You appear to be mistaken. Because that's only 46,500 tons psi, more
than 20% less than Gunner's example. He says he does engineering every
day
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/talk...8/W18ojvVyFwAJ
so he must be up on these things. Perhaps he could suggest somewhere
for you to get some remedial training. Best to avoid the embarrassment
of claiming some dinky thing has the highest pressure when we have it
on good authority that much higher pressures are achieved on a
warehouse-sized device.

BTW, does anybody know what they're doing with triple the pressure of
the Earth's core, at a warehouse in California? Some kind of advanced
cubic zirconia factory?
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On Thu, 07 Jun 2018 14:19:20 -0700, Gunner Asch
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Thats 60,000 Tons..per square inch btw


Area is what, 10' x 10'? What's the total force work out to?
chuckle


Depends on the size of the content of the dies.


Assume 10' X 10' as I said, and empty platens. What is the total
force?
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On Thu, 07 Jun 2018 17:16:39 -0700, Mayla wrote:

On Thu, 07 Jun 2018 14:19:20 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:


Thats 60,000 Tons..per square inch btw

Area is what, 10' x 10'? What's the total force work out to?
chuckle


Depends on the size of the content of the dies.


Assume 10' X 10' as I said, and empty platens. What is the total
force?


The total force if adjusted to max loading, is 60,000 tons per square
inch.


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Even California has bigger forging presses. Most are hydraulically
operated these days. Control is far far better and can be tuned to
whatever you are forging.

http://web.webermetals.com/60000-ton-press/

Thats 60,000 Tons..per square inch btw


The highest pressure presses can fit in your hand:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diamond_anvil_cell
640 GPa = 93,000,000 PSI


You appear to be mistaken. Because that's only 46,500 tons psi, more
than 20% less than Gunner's example. He says he does engineering
every
day
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/talk...8/W18ojvVyFwAJ
so he must be up on these things. Perhaps he could suggest somewhere
for you to get some remedial training. Best to avoid the
embarrassment
of claiming some dinky thing has the highest pressure when we have
it
on good authority that much higher pressures are achieved on a
warehouse-sized device.

BTW, does anybody know what they're doing with triple the pressure
of
the Earth's core, at a warehouse in California? Some kind of
advanced
cubic zirconia factory?


You appear to be another alias of Gunner's obsessively deranged
parasite.


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Even California has bigger forging presses. Most are hydraulically
operated these days. Control is far far better and can be tuned to
whatever you are forging.

http://web.webermetals.com/60000-ton-press/

Thats 60,000 Tons..per square inch btw


The highest pressure presses can fit in your hand:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diamond_anvil_cell
640 GPa = 93,000,000 PSI


You appear to be mistaken. Because that's only 46,500 tons psi, more
than 20% less than Gunner's example. He says he does engineering every
day
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/talk...8/W18ojvVyFwAJ
so he must be up on these things. Perhaps he could suggest somewhere
for you to get some remedial training. Best to avoid the embarrassment
of claiming some dinky thing has the highest pressure when we have it
on good authority that much higher pressures are achieved on a
warehouse-sized device.


I "must be up on these things"?

Odd....so I should be as good with sonic engineering all the way
through aircraft flight engineering? Interesting.

BTW, does anybody know what they're doing with triple the pressure of
the Earth's core, at a warehouse in California? Some kind of advanced
cubic zirconia factory?


They have been making diamonds for decades using high pressures in
small footprint machines.

Where are you trying to go with this?

Diamonds are also grown in labs

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/scien...mand-48545144/

http://www.businessinsider.com/scien...e-2018-4/?r=US

Its been causing quite a stir as well...

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/09/y...d-jewelry.html




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On Fri, 08 Jun 2018 07:08:58 -0700, Mayla wrote:

On Fri, 08 Jun 2018 00:00:30 -0700, Gunner Asch
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On Thu, 07 Jun 2018 17:16:39 -0700, Mayla wrote:

On Thu, 07 Jun 2018 14:19:20 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:


Thats 60,000 Tons..per square inch btw

Area is what, 10' x 10'? What's the total force work out to?
chuckle

Depends on the size of the content of the dies.


Assume 10' X 10' as I said, and empty platens. What is the total
force?


The total force if adjusted to max loading, is 60,000 tons per square
inch.


Can you provide a cite for your number? Perhaps you could compare it
to other industrial processes you've encountered in your vast
experience.
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"Gunner Asch" wrote in message
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Even California has bigger forging presses. Most are hydraulically
operated these days. Control is far far better and can be tuned to
whatever you are forging.

http://web.webermetals.com/60000-ton-press/

Thats 60,000 Tons..per square inch btw


The highest pressure presses can fit in your hand:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diamond_anvil_cell
640 GPa = 93,000,000 PSI


You appear to be mistaken. Because that's only 46,500 tons psi, more
than 20% less than Gunner's example. He says he does engineering every
day
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/talk...8/W18ojvVyFwAJ
so he must be up on these things. Perhaps he could suggest somewhere
for you to get some remedial training. Best to avoid the embarrassment
of claiming some dinky thing has the highest pressure when we have it
on good authority that much higher pressures are achieved on a
warehouse-sized device.


I "must be up on these things"?


Well, yeah. Normally one expects people who "do engineering" to be up
on basic concepts and terms such as psi. Do you disagree? Are there
some special circumstances that prevent you from explaining your own
statements?

"Thats 60,000 Tons..per square inch btw" I note that you did not say
that was the highest pressure in the world. Please set Jim straight on
where we can find the absolute highest pressure presses.
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Even California has bigger forging presses. Most are hydraulically
operated these days. Control is far far better and can be tuned to
whatever you are forging.

http://web.webermetals.com/60000-ton-press/

Thats 60,000 Tons..per square inch btw


The highest pressure presses can fit in your hand:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diamond_anvil_cell
640 GPa = 93,000,000 PSI


You appear to be mistaken. Because that's only 46,500 tons psi, more
than 20% less than Gunner's example. He says he does engineering
every
day
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/talk...8/W18ojvVyFwAJ
so he must be up on these things. Perhaps he could suggest somewhere
for you to get some remedial training. Best to avoid the
embarrassment
of claiming some dinky thing has the highest pressure when we have
it
on good authority that much higher pressures are achieved on a
warehouse-sized device.

BTW, does anybody know what they're doing with triple the pressure
of
the Earth's core, at a warehouse in California? Some kind of
advanced
cubic zirconia factory?


You appear to be another alias of Gunner's obsessively deranged
parasite.


What is this, some kind of see-no-ineptitude "engineering"
brotherhood? LOL
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On Fri, 08 Jun 2018 07:08:58 -0700, Mayla wrote:

On Fri, 08 Jun 2018 00:00:30 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Thu, 07 Jun 2018 17:16:39 -0700, Mayla wrote:

On Thu, 07 Jun 2018 14:19:20 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:


Thats 60,000 Tons..per square inch btw

Area is what, 10' x 10'? What's the total force work out to?
chuckle

Depends on the size of the content of the dies.

Assume 10' X 10' as I said, and empty platens. What is the total
force?


The total force if adjusted to max loading, is 60,000 tons per square
inch.


Can you provide a cite for your number? Perhaps you could compare it
to other industrial processes you've encountered in your vast
experience.


Sure I could. Why should I?

Snicker.

Laughlaughlaughlaughlaughlaughlaugh!!

So whats on the Menu today at the home? Beans and Rice or Rice and
Beans?

Off to LA for a few days. You can stew for a while, you poor *******.

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On Fri, 8 Jun 2018 10:19:53 -0400, "Jim Wilkins"
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"Mayla" wrote in message
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On Thu, 7 Jun 2018 21:23:04 -0400, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote:

"Gunner Asch" wrote in message
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Even California has bigger forging presses. Most are hydraulically
operated these days. Control is far far better and can be tuned to
whatever you are forging.

http://web.webermetals.com/60000-ton-press/

Thats 60,000 Tons..per square inch btw

The highest pressure presses can fit in your hand:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diamond_anvil_cell
640 GPa = 93,000,000 PSI

You appear to be mistaken. Because that's only 46,500 tons psi, more
than 20% less than Gunner's example. He says he does engineering
every
day
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/talk...8/W18ojvVyFwAJ
so he must be up on these things. Perhaps he could suggest somewhere
for you to get some remedial training. Best to avoid the
embarrassment
of claiming some dinky thing has the highest pressure when we have
it
on good authority that much higher pressures are achieved on a
warehouse-sized device.

BTW, does anybody know what they're doing with triple the pressure
of
the Earth's core, at a warehouse in California? Some kind of
advanced
cubic zirconia factory?


You appear to be another alias of Gunner's obsessively deranged
parasite.


What is this, some kind of see-no-ineptitude "engineering"
brotherhood? LOL


ROFLMAO!!!!!!!

Poor *******.... I like his call... "obsessively deranged parasite"

Pretty accurate!

Laughlaughlaughlaughlaughlaugh!!!


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On Fri, 08 Jun 2018 07:12:25 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Fri, 08 Jun 2018 07:08:58 -0700, Mayla wrote:

On Fri, 08 Jun 2018 00:00:30 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Thu, 07 Jun 2018 17:16:39 -0700, Mayla wrote:

On Thu, 07 Jun 2018 14:19:20 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:


Thats 60,000 Tons..per square inch btw

Area is what, 10' x 10'? What's the total force work out to?
chuckle

Depends on the size of the content of the dies.

Assume 10' X 10' as I said, and empty platens. What is the total
force?


The total force if adjusted to max loading, is 60,000 tons per square
inch.


Can you provide a cite for your number? Perhaps you could compare it
to other industrial processes you've encountered in your vast
experience.


The subject material here is steel, mostly, and some cast iron. Typical grades of structural steel collapse to mush when subjected to a force of around 50 tons per square inch. The very strongest steels will tolerate about four times as much before squishing into a puddle.

Gunner is talking about the total force delivered by a press, not the force per square inch. 60,000 tons sounds a little high. I was under the impression that the world's largest presses will develop a little more than half that amount of force, but I could be a couple of years out of date.

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On Friday, June 8, 2018 at 11:00:42 AM UTC-4, Mayla wrote:
On Fri, 08 Jun 2018 07:12:25 -0700, Gunner Asch

wrote:

On Fri, 08 Jun 2018 07:08:58 -0700, Mayla wrote:

On Fri, 08 Jun 2018 00:00:30 -0700, Gunner Asch

wrote:

On Thu, 07 Jun 2018 17:16:39 -0700, Mayla wrote:

On Thu, 07 Jun 2018 14:19:20 -0700, Gunner Asch

wrote:


Thats 60,000 Tons..per square inch btw

Area is what, 10' x 10'? What's the total force work out to?
chuckle

Depends on the size of the content of the dies.

Assume 10' X 10' as I said, and empty platens. What is the total
force?


The total force if adjusted to max loading, is 60,000 tons per
square
inch.


Can you provide a cite for your number? Perhaps you could compare it
to other industrial processes you've encountered in your vast
experience.


The subject material here is steel, mostly, and some cast iron.
Typical grades of structural steel collapse to mush when subjected to
a force of around 50 tons per square inch. The very strongest steels
will tolerate about four times as much before squishing into a puddle.

Gunner is talking about the total force delivered by a press, not the
force per square inch. 60,000 tons sounds a little high. I was under
the impression that the world's largest presses will develop a little
more than half that amount of force, but I could be a couple of years
out of date.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maraging_steel
"Ultimate tensile strength: typically 1.6-2.5 GPa (230,000-360,000
psi). Grades exist up to 3.5 GPa (510,000 psi)"

"Hardness (aged): 50 HRC (grade 250); 54 HRC (grade 300); 58 HRC
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On Fri, 08 Jun 2018 08:00:39 -0700, Mayla wrote:

On Fri, 08 Jun 2018 07:12:25 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Fri, 08 Jun 2018 07:08:58 -0700, Mayla wrote:

On Fri, 08 Jun 2018 00:00:30 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Thu, 07 Jun 2018 17:16:39 -0700, Mayla wrote:

On Thu, 07 Jun 2018 14:19:20 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:


Thats 60,000 Tons..per square inch btw

Area is what, 10' x 10'? What's the total force work out to?
chuckle

Depends on the size of the content of the dies.

Assume 10' X 10' as I said, and empty platens. What is the total
force?

The total force if adjusted to max loading, is 60,000 tons per square
inch.


Can you provide a cite for your number? Perhaps you could compare it
to other industrial processes you've encountered in your vast
experience.


Sure I could. Why should I?


To support your own statement, to show off your engineering chops, to
provide entertainment for incredulous readers who might have wondered
what level of thinking they could buy for $75 an hour.

Off to LA for a few days.


Be sure to keep your distance from that 60k ton psi warehouse. They
may be trying to generate some kind of gravitational singularity. I
doubt the brakes on any of your clunkers could prevent you being
sucked in.
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On 6/8/2018 8:26 AM, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Fri, 08 Jun 2018 08:00:39 -0700, Mayla wrote:

On Fri, 08 Jun 2018 07:12:25 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Fri, 08 Jun 2018 07:08:58 -0700, Mayla wrote:

On Fri, 08 Jun 2018 00:00:30 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Thu, 07 Jun 2018 17:16:39 -0700, Mayla wrote:

On Thu, 07 Jun 2018 14:19:20 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:


Thats 60,000 Tons..per square inch btw

Area is what, 10' x 10'? What's the total force work out to?
chuckle

Depends on the size of the content of the dies.

Assume 10' X 10' as I said, and empty platens. What is the total
force?

The total force if adjusted to max loading, is 60,000 tons per square
inch.


Can you provide a cite for your number? Perhaps you could compare it
to other industrial processes you've encountered in your vast
experience.


Sure I could. Why should I?


chuckle Of course you can't.

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On 6/8/2018 8:07 AM, Mayla wrote:
On Fri, 8 Jun 2018 10:19:53 -0400, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote:

"Mayla" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 7 Jun 2018 21:23:04 -0400, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote:

"Gunner Asch" wrote in message
...

Even California has bigger forging presses. Most are hydraulically
operated these days. Control is far far better and can be tuned to
whatever you are forging.

http://web.webermetals.com/60000-ton-press/

Thats 60,000 Tons..per square inch btw

The highest pressure presses can fit in your hand:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diamond_anvil_cell
640 GPa = 93,000,000 PSI

You appear to be mistaken. Because that's only 46,500 tons psi, more
than 20% less than Gunner's example. He says he does engineering
every
day
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/talk...8/W18ojvVyFwAJ
so he must be up on these things. Perhaps he could suggest somewhere
for you to get some remedial training. Best to avoid the
embarrassment
of claiming some dinky thing has the highest pressure when we have
it
on good authority that much higher pressures are achieved on a
warehouse-sized device.

BTW, does anybody know what they're doing with triple the pressure
of
the Earth's core, at a warehouse in California? Some kind of
advanced
cubic zirconia factory?


You appear to be another alias of Gunner's obsessively deranged
parasite.


What is this, some kind of see-no-ineptitude "engineering"
brotherhood? LOL


Ha ha ha ha ha! Good one!


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On Fri, 08 Jun 2018 07:29:04 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Fri, 08 Jun 2018 07:06:29 -0700, Mayla wrote:

On Thu, 7 Jun 2018 21:23:04 -0400, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote:

"Gunner Asch" wrote in message
...

Even California has bigger forging presses. Most are hydraulically
operated these days. Control is far far better and can be tuned to
whatever you are forging.

http://web.webermetals.com/60000-ton-press/

Thats 60,000 Tons..per square inch btw

The highest pressure presses can fit in your hand:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diamond_anvil_cell
640 GPa = 93,000,000 PSI

You appear to be mistaken. Because that's only 46,500 tons psi, more
than 20% less than Gunner's example. He says he does engineering every
day
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/talk...8/W18ojvVyFwAJ
so he must be up on these things. Perhaps he could suggest somewhere
for you to get some remedial training. Best to avoid the embarrassment
of claiming some dinky thing has the highest pressure when we have it
on good authority that much higher pressures are achieved on a
warehouse-sized device.


I "must be up on these things"?


Well, yeah. Normally one expects people who "do engineering" to be up
on basic concepts and terms such as psi. Do you disagree? Are there
some special circumstances that prevent you from explaining your own
statements?


Only one special circumstance: no engineering background.

Other than that...

chuckle

"Thats 60,000 Tons..per square inch btw" I note that you did not say
that was the highest pressure in the world. Please set Jim straight on
where we can find the absolute highest pressure presses.



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On Friday, June 8, 2018 at 11:00:42 AM UTC-4, Mayla wrote:
On Fri, 08 Jun 2018 07:12:25 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Fri, 08 Jun 2018 07:08:58 -0700, Mayla wrote:

On Fri, 08 Jun 2018 00:00:30 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Thu, 07 Jun 2018 17:16:39 -0700, Mayla wrote:

On Thu, 07 Jun 2018 14:19:20 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:


Thats 60,000 Tons..per square inch btw

Area is what, 10' x 10'? What's the total force work out to?
chuckle

Depends on the size of the content of the dies.

Assume 10' X 10' as I said, and empty platens. What is the total
force?

The total force if adjusted to max loading, is 60,000 tons per square
inch.


Can you provide a cite for your number? Perhaps you could compare it
to other industrial processes you've encountered in your vast
experience.


The subject material here is steel, mostly, and some cast iron. Typical grades of structural steel collapse to mush when subjected to a force of around 50 tons per square inch. The very strongest steels will tolerate about four times as much before squishing into a puddle.

Gunner is talking about the total force delivered by a press, not the force per square inch. 60,000 tons sounds a little high. I was under the impression that the world's largest presses will develop a little more than half that amount of force, but I could be a couple of years out of date.


It is all but a certainty that you are much closer to the true maximum
value than Wieber is.
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On 6/8/2018 8:04 AM, Mayla wrote:
On Fri, 08 Jun 2018 07:29:04 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Fri, 08 Jun 2018 07:06:29 -0700, Mayla wrote:

On Thu, 7 Jun 2018 21:23:04 -0400, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote:

"Gunner Asch" wrote in message
...

Even California has bigger forging presses. Most are hydraulically
operated these days. Control is far far better and can be tuned to
whatever you are forging.

http://web.webermetals.com/60000-ton-press/

Thats 60,000 Tons..per square inch btw

The highest pressure presses can fit in your hand:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diamond_anvil_cell
640 GPa = 93,000,000 PSI

You appear to be mistaken. Because that's only 46,500 tons psi, more
than 20% less than Gunner's example. He says he does engineering every
day
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/talk...8/W18ojvVyFwAJ
so he must be up on these things. Perhaps he could suggest somewhere
for you to get some remedial training. Best to avoid the embarrassment
of claiming some dinky thing has the highest pressure when we have it
on good authority that much higher pressures are achieved on a
warehouse-sized device.

I "must be up on these things"?


Well, yeah. Normally one expects people who "do engineering" to be up
on basic concepts and terms such as psi. Do you disagree? Are there
some special circumstances that prevent you from explaining your own
statements?


Only one special circumstance: no engineering background.

Other than that...

chuckle


The problem is much deeper than a lack of engineering background. A
high-school level tutorial on the basics of pressure versus total
force would take about a half hour. Folks of average intelligence
wouldn't find it difficult. I know good people who could never get it
though. But I don't know any good people who would try to fake it, in
print no less, as Wieber does with his 165 IQ. LOL
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On Thu, 07 Jun 2018 16:39:50 -0700, pyotr filipivich
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Gunner Asch on Thu, 07 Jun 2018 14:19:20 -0700
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On Wed, 06 Jun 2018 19:49:29 -0500, Ignoramus22513 wrote:

Totally shocking size of this hammer, and incredible operation.

https://www.machinerymoverschicago.c...orging-Hammer/

WOW, had no idea such gear was still in use! What the heck were they
making?

Jon


Even California has bigger forging presses. Most are hydraulically
operated these days. Control is far far better and can be tuned to
whatever you are forging.

http://web.webermetals.com/60000-ton-press/

Thats 60,000 Tons..per square inch btw

I believe Ive posted these job site phots before

31,000 Ton press

https://goo.gl/photos/SSfbczRwjsEtCwyN7

41,000 ton press

https://goo.gl/photos/hEKGca9vzDenPvwU9


Yeah, but there is something satisfying about just hitting it with
a bigger hammer.

I mean, a really, really bigger hammer.
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True..that Bong! is cool..assuming A red hot steel object the size of
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ROTFLMAO. I'll bet it still does.

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On Thu, 07 Jun 2018 17:16:39 -0700, Mayla wrote:

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Thats 60,000 Tons..per square inch btw

Area is what, 10' x 10'? What's the total force work out to?
chuckle


Depends on the size of the content of the dies.


Assume 10' X 10' as I said, and empty platens. What is the total
force?


A gazillion dynes.

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Totally shocking size of this hammer, and incredible operation.

https://www.machinerymoverschicago.c...orging-Hammer/


Reminded me of the Creusot Steam hammer in France which I read about
recently in Model Engineer
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creusot_steam_hammer .


Cool: An Eiffel Hammer.

Here's a fun freehand run, which looks much like the early French
model: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYnB73O62xc Sux 2 b them.

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On Fri, 08 Jun 2018 08:26:50 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Fri, 08 Jun 2018 08:00:39 -0700, Mayla wrote:

On Fri, 08 Jun 2018 07:12:25 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Fri, 08 Jun 2018 07:08:58 -0700, Mayla wrote:

On Fri, 08 Jun 2018 00:00:30 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Thu, 07 Jun 2018 17:16:39 -0700, Mayla wrote:

On Thu, 07 Jun 2018 14:19:20 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:


Thats 60,000 Tons..per square inch btw

Area is what, 10' x 10'? What's the total force work out to?
chuckle

Depends on the size of the content of the dies.

Assume 10' X 10' as I said, and empty platens. What is the total
force?

The total force if adjusted to max loading, is 60,000 tons per square
inch.

Can you provide a cite for your number? Perhaps you could compare it
to other industrial processes you've encountered in your vast
experience.


Sure I could. Why should I?


To support your own statement, to show off your engineering chops, to
provide entertainment for incredulous readers who might have wondered
what level of thinking they could buy for $75 an hour.

Off to LA for a few days.


Be sure to keep your distance from that 60k ton psi warehouse. They
may be trying to generate some kind of gravitational singularity. I
doubt the brakes on any of your clunkers could prevent you being
sucked in.


Which 60k ton warehouse?

You mean this 41,000 ton PSI press?

https://goo.gl/photos/hEKGca9vzDenPvwU9

Or this 32,000 ton PSI press?

https://goo.gl/photos/SSfbczRwjsEtCwyN7

My...dont you look amazingly stupid..again....

ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!


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On Fri, 8 Jun 2018 09:48:19 -0700, raykeller
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On 6/8/2018 8:04 AM, Mayla wrote:
On Fri, 08 Jun 2018 07:29:04 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Fri, 08 Jun 2018 07:06:29 -0700, Mayla wrote:

On Thu, 7 Jun 2018 21:23:04 -0400, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote:

"Gunner Asch" wrote in message
...

Even California has bigger forging presses. Most are hydraulically
operated these days. Control is far far better and can be tuned to
whatever you are forging.

http://web.webermetals.com/60000-ton-press/

Thats 60,000 Tons..per square inch btw

The highest pressure presses can fit in your hand:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diamond_anvil_cell
640 GPa = 93,000,000 PSI

You appear to be mistaken. Because that's only 46,500 tons psi, more
than 20% less than Gunner's example. He says he does engineering every
day
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/talk...8/W18ojvVyFwAJ
so he must be up on these things. Perhaps he could suggest somewhere
for you to get some remedial training. Best to avoid the embarrassment
of claiming some dinky thing has the highest pressure when we have it
on good authority that much higher pressures are achieved on a
warehouse-sized device.

I "must be up on these things"?

Well, yeah. Normally one expects people who "do engineering" to be up
on basic concepts and terms such as psi. Do you disagree? Are there
some special circumstances that prevent you from explaining your own
statements?


Only one special circumstance: no engineering background.

Other than that...

chuckle


The problem is much deeper than a lack of engineering background. A
high-school level tutorial on the basics of pressure versus total
force would take about a half hour. Folks of average intelligence
wouldn't find it difficult. I know good people who could never get it
though. But I don't know any good people who would try to fake it, in
print no less, as Wieber does with his 165 IQ. LOL



What..you mean the press wont deliver xx,xxx tons per square in? Over
a rather large area..each little square inch getting xx,000 tons on
it?

Really? Oh woe is me..tell me it isnt so!

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On Fri, 8 Jun 2018 09:48:19 -0700, raykeller
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On 6/8/2018 8:04 AM, Mayla wrote:
On Fri, 08 Jun 2018 07:29:04 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Fri, 08 Jun 2018 07:06:29 -0700, Mayla wrote:

On Thu, 7 Jun 2018 21:23:04 -0400, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote:

"Gunner Asch" wrote in message
...

Even California has bigger forging presses. Most are hydraulically
operated these days. Control is far far better and can be tuned to
whatever you are forging.

http://web.webermetals.com/60000-ton-press/

Thats 60,000 Tons..per square inch btw

The highest pressure presses can fit in your hand:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diamond_anvil_cell
640 GPa = 93,000,000 PSI

You appear to be mistaken. Because that's only 46,500 tons psi, more
than 20% less than Gunner's example. He says he does engineering every
day
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/talk...8/W18ojvVyFwAJ
so he must be up on these things. Perhaps he could suggest somewhere
for you to get some remedial training. Best to avoid the embarrassment
of claiming some dinky thing has the highest pressure when we have it
on good authority that much higher pressures are achieved on a
warehouse-sized device.

I "must be up on these things"?

Well, yeah. Normally one expects people who "do engineering" to be up
on basic concepts and terms such as psi. Do you disagree? Are there
some special circumstances that prevent you from explaining your own
statements?

Only one special circumstance: no engineering background.

Other than that...

chuckle


The problem is much deeper than a lack of engineering background. A
high-school level tutorial on the basics of pressure versus total
force would take about a half hour. Folks of average intelligence
wouldn't find it difficult. I know good people who could never get it
though. But I don't know any good people who would try to fake it, in
print no less, as Wieber does with his 165 IQ. LOL



What..you mean the press wont deliver xx,xxx tons per square in?


Obviously not. Well, obvious to the sane anyway.

Over
a rather large area..each little square inch getting xx,000 tons on
it?


What is the xx000 tons? Let's use your lowest number, 11,000 tons per
sq in. What die material do you recommend? Bonus questions - do you
have any idea what a calculator is, and what it's used for?

Mark Wieber, owner chuckle Coyote Engineering - "I assume you are
bitching about the term "Engineering"...right? I do That..every day."
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!ms...8/W18ojvVyFwAJ

Really? Oh woe is me..tell me it isnt so!


Woe is you. But I can't say I'm surprised that you keep repeating your
error.

Snicker...laugh laughlaughlaugh


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