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I saw an incredible steam forging hammer in Chicago
Totally shocking size of this hammer, and incredible operation.
https://www.machinerymoverschicago.c...orging-Hammer/ |
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I saw an incredible steam forging hammer in Chicago
On Wednesday, June 6, 2018 at 8:49:36 PM UTC-4, Ignoramus22513 wrote:
Totally shocking size of this hammer, and incredible operation. https://www.machinerymoverschicago.c...orging-Hammer/ That looks like a hammer I saw at Finkl Steel in Chicago, 40 years ago. It was forging billets of tools steel, a bit larger than the piece in your video. Finkl moved and has modernized its equipment, so it's probably not the same hammer. What company is that? -- Ed Huntress |
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wrote in message ... On Wednesday, June 6, 2018 at 8:49:36 PM UTC-4, Ignoramus22513 wrote: Totally shocking size of this hammer, and incredible operation. https://www.machinerymoverschicago.c...orging-Hammer/ That looks like a hammer I saw at Finkl Steel in Chicago, 40 years ago. It was forging billets of tools steel, a bit larger than the piece in your video. Finkl moved and has modernized its equipment, so it's probably not the same hammer. What company is that? -- Ed Huntress Damn, I miss Finkl. Their old plant used to be about a mile away from me. When ever I was jonesing for some heavy industry, I would run up to Finkltown and watch real men bend raw elements to their will. On a good day, the Finklmobile would roll across Cortland carrying a giant red hot billet of steel. From thirty feet away, the radiant heat through your windshield was like climbing inside a hot oven. Paul K. DIckman |
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I saw an incredible steam forging hammer in Chicago
On Wed, 06 Jun 2018 19:49:29 -0500, Ignoramus22513 wrote:
Totally shocking size of this hammer, and incredible operation. https://www.machinerymoverschicago.c...orging-Hammer/ WOW, had no idea such gear was still in use! What the heck were they making? Jon |
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I saw an incredible steam forging hammer in Chicago
On Thursday, June 7, 2018 at 2:13:34 PM UTC-4, Paul K. Dickman wrote:
wrote in message ... On Wednesday, June 6, 2018 at 8:49:36 PM UTC-4, Ignoramus22513 wrote: Totally shocking size of this hammer, and incredible operation. https://www.machinerymoverschicago.c...orging-Hammer/ That looks like a hammer I saw at Finkl Steel in Chicago, 40 years ago. It was forging billets of tools steel, a bit larger than the piece in your video. Finkl moved and has modernized its equipment, so it's probably not the same hammer. What company is that? -- Ed Huntress Damn, I miss Finkl. Their old plant used to be about a mile away from me. When ever I was jonesing for some heavy industry, I would run up to Finkltown and watch real men bend raw elements to their will. On a good day, the Finklmobile would roll across Cortland carrying a giant red hot billet of steel. From thirty feet away, the radiant heat through your windshield was like climbing inside a hot oven. Paul K. DIckman I stood on a catwalk maybe 40 feet away from one of those billets, and I had to turn away from the heat. That was a real "Giants of Industry" operation. -- Ed Huntress |
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wrote in message ... On Thursday, June 7, 2018 at 2:13:34 PM UTC-4, Paul K. Dickman wrote: wrote in message ... On Wednesday, June 6, 2018 at 8:49:36 PM UTC-4, Ignoramus22513 wrote: Totally shocking size of this hammer, and incredible operation. https://www.machinerymoverschicago.c...orging-Hammer/ That looks like a hammer I saw at Finkl Steel in Chicago, 40 years ago. It was forging billets of tools steel, a bit larger than the piece in your video. Finkl moved and has modernized its equipment, so it's probably not the same hammer. What company is that? -- Ed Huntress Damn, I miss Finkl. Their old plant used to be about a mile away from me. When ever I was jonesing for some heavy industry, I would run up to Finkltown and watch real men bend raw elements to their will. On a good day, the Finklmobile would roll across Cortland carrying a giant red hot billet of steel. From thirty feet away, the radiant heat through your windshield was like climbing inside a hot oven. Paul K. DIckman I stood on a catwalk maybe 40 feet away from one of those billets, and I had to turn away from the heat. That was a real "Giants of Industry" operation. -- Ed Huntress It was impressive Because their operations were on both sides of the street, sometimes they had to haul it between two buildings. You would just be sitting at the stoplight when this thing, https://www.flickr.com/photos/143261836@N06/30022773846 would roll across the street with a glowing chunk of steel, bigger than a refrigerator, slung under it. The first time it happened, you would get out of the car to see if the heat blistered your paint. Most days, the doors to their forging operations were wide open. I could stand on the sidewalk and watch 'em for hours. Paul K. Dickman |
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I saw an incredible steam forging hammer in Chicago
On 07/06/18 01:49, Ignoramus22513 wrote:
Totally shocking size of this hammer, and incredible operation. https://www.machinerymoverschicago.c...orging-Hammer/ Reminded me of the Creusot Steam hammer in France which I read about recently in Model Engineer https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creusot_steam_hammer . |
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I saw an incredible steam forging hammer in Chicago
On Thu, 07 Jun 2018 13:46:57 -0500, Jon Elson
wrote: On Wed, 06 Jun 2018 19:49:29 -0500, Ignoramus22513 wrote: Totally shocking size of this hammer, and incredible operation. https://www.machinerymoverschicago.c...orging-Hammer/ WOW, had no idea such gear was still in use! What the heck were they making? Jon Even California has bigger forging presses. Most are hydraulically operated these days. Control is far far better and can be tuned to whatever you are forging. http://web.webermetals.com/60000-ton-press/ Thats 60,000 Tons..per square inch btw I believe Ive posted these job site phots before 31,000 Ton press https://goo.gl/photos/SSfbczRwjsEtCwyN7 41,000 ton press https://goo.gl/photos/hEKGca9vzDenPvwU9 --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus |
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Gunner Asch on Thu, 07 Jun 2018 14:19:20 -0700
typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following: On Thu, 07 Jun 2018 13:46:57 -0500, Jon Elson wrote: On Wed, 06 Jun 2018 19:49:29 -0500, Ignoramus22513 wrote: Totally shocking size of this hammer, and incredible operation. https://www.machinerymoverschicago.c...orging-Hammer/ WOW, had no idea such gear was still in use! What the heck were they making? Jon Even California has bigger forging presses. Most are hydraulically operated these days. Control is far far better and can be tuned to whatever you are forging. http://web.webermetals.com/60000-ton-press/ Thats 60,000 Tons..per square inch btw I believe Ive posted these job site phots before 31,000 Ton press https://goo.gl/photos/SSfbczRwjsEtCwyN7 41,000 ton press https://goo.gl/photos/hEKGca9vzDenPvwU9 Yeah, but there is something satisfying about just hitting it with a bigger hammer. I mean, a really, really bigger hammer. -- pyotr filipivich "With Age comes Wisdom. Although far too often, Age travels alone." |
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I saw an incredible steam forging hammer in Chicago
On Thu, 07 Jun 2018 14:19:20 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote: Thats 60,000 Tons..per square inch btw Area is what, 10' x 10'? What's the total force work out to? chuckle |
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"Gunner Asch" wrote in message
... On Thu, 07 Jun 2018 13:46:57 -0500, Jon Elson wrote: On Wed, 06 Jun 2018 19:49:29 -0500, Ignoramus22513 wrote: Totally shocking size of this hammer, and incredible operation. https://www.machinerymoverschicago.c...orging-Hammer/ WOW, had no idea such gear was still in use! What the heck were they making? Jon Even California has bigger forging presses. Most are hydraulically operated these days. Control is far far better and can be tuned to whatever you are forging. http://web.webermetals.com/60000-ton-press/ Thats 60,000 Tons..per square inch btw I believe Ive posted these job site phots before 31,000 Ton press https://goo.gl/photos/SSfbczRwjsEtCwyN7 41,000 ton press https://goo.gl/photos/hEKGca9vzDenPvwU9 The highest pressure presses can fit in your hand: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diamond_anvil_cell 640 GPa = 93,000,000 PSI |
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On Thu, 07 Jun 2018 16:39:50 -0700, pyotr filipivich
wrote: Gunner Asch on Thu, 07 Jun 2018 14:19:20 -0700 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following: On Thu, 07 Jun 2018 13:46:57 -0500, Jon Elson wrote: On Wed, 06 Jun 2018 19:49:29 -0500, Ignoramus22513 wrote: Totally shocking size of this hammer, and incredible operation. https://www.machinerymoverschicago.c...orging-Hammer/ WOW, had no idea such gear was still in use! What the heck were they making? Jon Even California has bigger forging presses. Most are hydraulically operated these days. Control is far far better and can be tuned to whatever you are forging. http://web.webermetals.com/60000-ton-press/ Thats 60,000 Tons..per square inch btw I believe Ive posted these job site phots before 31,000 Ton press https://goo.gl/photos/SSfbczRwjsEtCwyN7 41,000 ton press https://goo.gl/photos/hEKGca9vzDenPvwU9 Yeah, but there is something satisfying about just hitting it with a bigger hammer. I mean, a really, really bigger hammer. -- pyotr filipivich "With Age comes Wisdom. Although far too often, Age travels alone." True..that Bong! is cool..assuming A red hot steel object the size of a Jeep Cherokee bongs --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus |
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I saw an incredible steam forging hammer in Chicago
On Thu, 07 Jun 2018 17:16:39 -0700, Mayla wrote:
On Thu, 07 Jun 2018 14:19:20 -0700, Gunner Asch wrote: Thats 60,000 Tons..per square inch btw Area is what, 10' x 10'? What's the total force work out to? chuckle Depends on the size of the content of the dies. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus |
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"Ignoramus30696" wrote in
message ... On 2018-06-07, wrote: On Thursday, June 7, 2018 at 2:13:34 PM UTC-4, Paul K. Dickman wrote: wrote in message ... On Wednesday, June 6, 2018 at 8:49:36 PM UTC-4, Ignoramus22513 wrote: Totally shocking size of this hammer, and incredible operation. https://www.machinerymoverschicago.c...orging-Hammer/ That looks like a hammer I saw at Finkl Steel in Chicago, 40 years ago. It was forging billets of tools steel, a bit larger than the piece in your video. Finkl moved and has modernized its equipment, so it's probably not the same hammer. What company is that? Damn, I miss Finkl. Their old plant used to be about a mile away from me. When ever I was jonesing for some heavy industry, I would run up to Finkltown and watch real men bend raw elements to their will. On a good day, the Finklmobile would roll across Cortland carrying a giant red hot billet of steel. From thirty feet away, the radiant heat through your windshield was like climbing inside a hot oven. Paul K. DIckman I stood on a catwalk maybe 40 feet away from one of those billets, and I had to turn away from the heat. That was a real "Giants of Industry" operation. Yes, it is amazing how people work there all day! In the blacksmithing class we discussed how some people perceive what was an interesting hobby for us as a vision of Hell. |
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On Thu, 7 Jun 2018 21:23:04 -0400, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote: "Gunner Asch" wrote in message .. . Even California has bigger forging presses. Most are hydraulically operated these days. Control is far far better and can be tuned to whatever you are forging. http://web.webermetals.com/60000-ton-press/ Thats 60,000 Tons..per square inch btw The highest pressure presses can fit in your hand: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diamond_anvil_cell 640 GPa = 93,000,000 PSI You appear to be mistaken. Because that's only 46,500 tons psi, more than 20% less than Gunner's example. He says he does engineering every day https://groups.google.com/d/msg/talk...8/W18ojvVyFwAJ so he must be up on these things. Perhaps he could suggest somewhere for you to get some remedial training. Best to avoid the embarrassment of claiming some dinky thing has the highest pressure when we have it on good authority that much higher pressures are achieved on a warehouse-sized device. BTW, does anybody know what they're doing with triple the pressure of the Earth's core, at a warehouse in California? Some kind of advanced cubic zirconia factory? |
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On Fri, 08 Jun 2018 00:00:30 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote: On Thu, 07 Jun 2018 17:16:39 -0700, Mayla wrote: On Thu, 07 Jun 2018 14:19:20 -0700, Gunner Asch wrote: Thats 60,000 Tons..per square inch btw Area is what, 10' x 10'? What's the total force work out to? chuckle Depends on the size of the content of the dies. Assume 10' X 10' as I said, and empty platens. What is the total force? |
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On Fri, 08 Jun 2018 07:08:58 -0700, Mayla wrote:
On Fri, 08 Jun 2018 00:00:30 -0700, Gunner Asch wrote: On Thu, 07 Jun 2018 17:16:39 -0700, Mayla wrote: On Thu, 07 Jun 2018 14:19:20 -0700, Gunner Asch wrote: Thats 60,000 Tons..per square inch btw Area is what, 10' x 10'? What's the total force work out to? chuckle Depends on the size of the content of the dies. Assume 10' X 10' as I said, and empty platens. What is the total force? The total force if adjusted to max loading, is 60,000 tons per square inch. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus |
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"Mayla" wrote in message
... On Thu, 7 Jun 2018 21:23:04 -0400, "Jim Wilkins" wrote: "Gunner Asch" wrote in message . .. Even California has bigger forging presses. Most are hydraulically operated these days. Control is far far better and can be tuned to whatever you are forging. http://web.webermetals.com/60000-ton-press/ Thats 60,000 Tons..per square inch btw The highest pressure presses can fit in your hand: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diamond_anvil_cell 640 GPa = 93,000,000 PSI You appear to be mistaken. Because that's only 46,500 tons psi, more than 20% less than Gunner's example. He says he does engineering every day https://groups.google.com/d/msg/talk...8/W18ojvVyFwAJ so he must be up on these things. Perhaps he could suggest somewhere for you to get some remedial training. Best to avoid the embarrassment of claiming some dinky thing has the highest pressure when we have it on good authority that much higher pressures are achieved on a warehouse-sized device. BTW, does anybody know what they're doing with triple the pressure of the Earth's core, at a warehouse in California? Some kind of advanced cubic zirconia factory? You appear to be another alias of Gunner's obsessively deranged parasite. |
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On Fri, 08 Jun 2018 07:06:29 -0700, Mayla wrote:
On Thu, 7 Jun 2018 21:23:04 -0400, "Jim Wilkins" wrote: "Gunner Asch" wrote in message . .. Even California has bigger forging presses. Most are hydraulically operated these days. Control is far far better and can be tuned to whatever you are forging. http://web.webermetals.com/60000-ton-press/ Thats 60,000 Tons..per square inch btw The highest pressure presses can fit in your hand: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diamond_anvil_cell 640 GPa = 93,000,000 PSI You appear to be mistaken. Because that's only 46,500 tons psi, more than 20% less than Gunner's example. He says he does engineering every day https://groups.google.com/d/msg/talk...8/W18ojvVyFwAJ so he must be up on these things. Perhaps he could suggest somewhere for you to get some remedial training. Best to avoid the embarrassment of claiming some dinky thing has the highest pressure when we have it on good authority that much higher pressures are achieved on a warehouse-sized device. I "must be up on these things"? Odd....so I should be as good with sonic engineering all the way through aircraft flight engineering? Interesting. BTW, does anybody know what they're doing with triple the pressure of the Earth's core, at a warehouse in California? Some kind of advanced cubic zirconia factory? They have been making diamonds for decades using high pressures in small footprint machines. Where are you trying to go with this? Diamonds are also grown in labs https://www.smithsonianmag.com/scien...mand-48545144/ http://www.businessinsider.com/scien...e-2018-4/?r=US Its been causing quite a stir as well... https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/09/y...d-jewelry.html --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus |
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On Fri, 08 Jun 2018 07:12:25 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote: On Fri, 08 Jun 2018 07:08:58 -0700, Mayla wrote: On Fri, 08 Jun 2018 00:00:30 -0700, Gunner Asch wrote: On Thu, 07 Jun 2018 17:16:39 -0700, Mayla wrote: On Thu, 07 Jun 2018 14:19:20 -0700, Gunner Asch wrote: Thats 60,000 Tons..per square inch btw Area is what, 10' x 10'? What's the total force work out to? chuckle Depends on the size of the content of the dies. Assume 10' X 10' as I said, and empty platens. What is the total force? The total force if adjusted to max loading, is 60,000 tons per square inch. Can you provide a cite for your number? Perhaps you could compare it to other industrial processes you've encountered in your vast experience. |
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On Fri, 08 Jun 2018 07:29:04 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote: On Fri, 08 Jun 2018 07:06:29 -0700, Mayla wrote: On Thu, 7 Jun 2018 21:23:04 -0400, "Jim Wilkins" wrote: "Gunner Asch" wrote in message ... Even California has bigger forging presses. Most are hydraulically operated these days. Control is far far better and can be tuned to whatever you are forging. http://web.webermetals.com/60000-ton-press/ Thats 60,000 Tons..per square inch btw The highest pressure presses can fit in your hand: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diamond_anvil_cell 640 GPa = 93,000,000 PSI You appear to be mistaken. Because that's only 46,500 tons psi, more than 20% less than Gunner's example. He says he does engineering every day https://groups.google.com/d/msg/talk...8/W18ojvVyFwAJ so he must be up on these things. Perhaps he could suggest somewhere for you to get some remedial training. Best to avoid the embarrassment of claiming some dinky thing has the highest pressure when we have it on good authority that much higher pressures are achieved on a warehouse-sized device. I "must be up on these things"? Well, yeah. Normally one expects people who "do engineering" to be up on basic concepts and terms such as psi. Do you disagree? Are there some special circumstances that prevent you from explaining your own statements? "Thats 60,000 Tons..per square inch btw" I note that you did not say that was the highest pressure in the world. Please set Jim straight on where we can find the absolute highest pressure presses. |
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On Fri, 8 Jun 2018 10:19:53 -0400, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote: "Mayla" wrote in message .. . On Thu, 7 Jun 2018 21:23:04 -0400, "Jim Wilkins" wrote: "Gunner Asch" wrote in message ... Even California has bigger forging presses. Most are hydraulically operated these days. Control is far far better and can be tuned to whatever you are forging. http://web.webermetals.com/60000-ton-press/ Thats 60,000 Tons..per square inch btw The highest pressure presses can fit in your hand: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diamond_anvil_cell 640 GPa = 93,000,000 PSI You appear to be mistaken. Because that's only 46,500 tons psi, more than 20% less than Gunner's example. He says he does engineering every day https://groups.google.com/d/msg/talk...8/W18ojvVyFwAJ so he must be up on these things. Perhaps he could suggest somewhere for you to get some remedial training. Best to avoid the embarrassment of claiming some dinky thing has the highest pressure when we have it on good authority that much higher pressures are achieved on a warehouse-sized device. BTW, does anybody know what they're doing with triple the pressure of the Earth's core, at a warehouse in California? Some kind of advanced cubic zirconia factory? You appear to be another alias of Gunner's obsessively deranged parasite. What is this, some kind of see-no-ineptitude "engineering" brotherhood? LOL |
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On Fri, 08 Jun 2018 08:00:39 -0700, Mayla wrote:
On Fri, 08 Jun 2018 07:12:25 -0700, Gunner Asch wrote: On Fri, 08 Jun 2018 07:08:58 -0700, Mayla wrote: On Fri, 08 Jun 2018 00:00:30 -0700, Gunner Asch wrote: On Thu, 07 Jun 2018 17:16:39 -0700, Mayla wrote: On Thu, 07 Jun 2018 14:19:20 -0700, Gunner Asch wrote: Thats 60,000 Tons..per square inch btw Area is what, 10' x 10'? What's the total force work out to? chuckle Depends on the size of the content of the dies. Assume 10' X 10' as I said, and empty platens. What is the total force? The total force if adjusted to max loading, is 60,000 tons per square inch. Can you provide a cite for your number? Perhaps you could compare it to other industrial processes you've encountered in your vast experience. Sure I could. Why should I? Snicker. Laughlaughlaughlaughlaughlaughlaugh!! So whats on the Menu today at the home? Beans and Rice or Rice and Beans? Off to LA for a few days. You can stew for a while, you poor *******. See Ya! Gunner --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus |
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On Fri, 08 Jun 2018 08:07:18 -0700, Mayla wrote:
On Fri, 8 Jun 2018 10:19:53 -0400, "Jim Wilkins" wrote: "Mayla" wrote in message . .. On Thu, 7 Jun 2018 21:23:04 -0400, "Jim Wilkins" wrote: "Gunner Asch" wrote in message m... Even California has bigger forging presses. Most are hydraulically operated these days. Control is far far better and can be tuned to whatever you are forging. http://web.webermetals.com/60000-ton-press/ Thats 60,000 Tons..per square inch btw The highest pressure presses can fit in your hand: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diamond_anvil_cell 640 GPa = 93,000,000 PSI You appear to be mistaken. Because that's only 46,500 tons psi, more than 20% less than Gunner's example. He says he does engineering every day https://groups.google.com/d/msg/talk...8/W18ojvVyFwAJ so he must be up on these things. Perhaps he could suggest somewhere for you to get some remedial training. Best to avoid the embarrassment of claiming some dinky thing has the highest pressure when we have it on good authority that much higher pressures are achieved on a warehouse-sized device. BTW, does anybody know what they're doing with triple the pressure of the Earth's core, at a warehouse in California? Some kind of advanced cubic zirconia factory? You appear to be another alias of Gunner's obsessively deranged parasite. What is this, some kind of see-no-ineptitude "engineering" brotherhood? LOL ROFLMAO!!!!!!! Poor *******.... I like his call... "obsessively deranged parasite" Pretty accurate! Laughlaughlaughlaughlaughlaugh!!! --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus |
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On Friday, June 8, 2018 at 11:00:42 AM UTC-4, Mayla wrote:
On Fri, 08 Jun 2018 07:12:25 -0700, Gunner Asch wrote: On Fri, 08 Jun 2018 07:08:58 -0700, Mayla wrote: On Fri, 08 Jun 2018 00:00:30 -0700, Gunner Asch wrote: On Thu, 07 Jun 2018 17:16:39 -0700, Mayla wrote: On Thu, 07 Jun 2018 14:19:20 -0700, Gunner Asch wrote: Thats 60,000 Tons..per square inch btw Area is what, 10' x 10'? What's the total force work out to? chuckle Depends on the size of the content of the dies. Assume 10' X 10' as I said, and empty platens. What is the total force? The total force if adjusted to max loading, is 60,000 tons per square inch. Can you provide a cite for your number? Perhaps you could compare it to other industrial processes you've encountered in your vast experience. The subject material here is steel, mostly, and some cast iron. Typical grades of structural steel collapse to mush when subjected to a force of around 50 tons per square inch. The very strongest steels will tolerate about four times as much before squishing into a puddle. Gunner is talking about the total force delivered by a press, not the force per square inch. 60,000 tons sounds a little high. I was under the impression that the world's largest presses will develop a little more than half that amount of force, but I could be a couple of years out of date. -- Ed Huntress |
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I saw an incredible steam forging hammer in Chicago
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... On Friday, June 8, 2018 at 11:00:42 AM UTC-4, Mayla wrote: On Fri, 08 Jun 2018 07:12:25 -0700, Gunner Asch wrote: On Fri, 08 Jun 2018 07:08:58 -0700, Mayla wrote: On Fri, 08 Jun 2018 00:00:30 -0700, Gunner Asch wrote: On Thu, 07 Jun 2018 17:16:39 -0700, Mayla wrote: On Thu, 07 Jun 2018 14:19:20 -0700, Gunner Asch wrote: Thats 60,000 Tons..per square inch btw Area is what, 10' x 10'? What's the total force work out to? chuckle Depends on the size of the content of the dies. Assume 10' X 10' as I said, and empty platens. What is the total force? The total force if adjusted to max loading, is 60,000 tons per square inch. Can you provide a cite for your number? Perhaps you could compare it to other industrial processes you've encountered in your vast experience. The subject material here is steel, mostly, and some cast iron. Typical grades of structural steel collapse to mush when subjected to a force of around 50 tons per square inch. The very strongest steels will tolerate about four times as much before squishing into a puddle. Gunner is talking about the total force delivered by a press, not the force per square inch. 60,000 tons sounds a little high. I was under the impression that the world's largest presses will develop a little more than half that amount of force, but I could be a couple of years out of date. -- Ed Huntress ======================== https://blogs.wsj.com/chinarealtime/...tion-industry/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maraging_steel "Ultimate tensile strength: typically 1.6-2.5 GPa (230,000-360,000 psi). Grades exist up to 3.5 GPa (510,000 psi)" "Hardness (aged): 50 HRC (grade 250); 54 HRC (grade 300); 58 HRC (grade 350)" -jsw |
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On Fri, 08 Jun 2018 08:26:50 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote: On Fri, 08 Jun 2018 08:00:39 -0700, Mayla wrote: On Fri, 08 Jun 2018 07:12:25 -0700, Gunner Asch wrote: On Fri, 08 Jun 2018 07:08:58 -0700, Mayla wrote: On Fri, 08 Jun 2018 00:00:30 -0700, Gunner Asch wrote: On Thu, 07 Jun 2018 17:16:39 -0700, Mayla wrote: On Thu, 07 Jun 2018 14:19:20 -0700, Gunner Asch wrote: Thats 60,000 Tons..per square inch btw Area is what, 10' x 10'? What's the total force work out to? chuckle Depends on the size of the content of the dies. Assume 10' X 10' as I said, and empty platens. What is the total force? The total force if adjusted to max loading, is 60,000 tons per square inch. Can you provide a cite for your number? Perhaps you could compare it to other industrial processes you've encountered in your vast experience. Sure I could. Why should I? To support your own statement, to show off your engineering chops, to provide entertainment for incredulous readers who might have wondered what level of thinking they could buy for $75 an hour. Off to LA for a few days. Be sure to keep your distance from that 60k ton psi warehouse. They may be trying to generate some kind of gravitational singularity. I doubt the brakes on any of your clunkers could prevent you being sucked in. |
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On 6/8/2018 8:26 AM, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Fri, 08 Jun 2018 08:00:39 -0700, Mayla wrote: On Fri, 08 Jun 2018 07:12:25 -0700, Gunner Asch wrote: On Fri, 08 Jun 2018 07:08:58 -0700, Mayla wrote: On Fri, 08 Jun 2018 00:00:30 -0700, Gunner Asch wrote: On Thu, 07 Jun 2018 17:16:39 -0700, Mayla wrote: On Thu, 07 Jun 2018 14:19:20 -0700, Gunner Asch wrote: Thats 60,000 Tons..per square inch btw Area is what, 10' x 10'? What's the total force work out to? chuckle Depends on the size of the content of the dies. Assume 10' X 10' as I said, and empty platens. What is the total force? The total force if adjusted to max loading, is 60,000 tons per square inch. Can you provide a cite for your number? Perhaps you could compare it to other industrial processes you've encountered in your vast experience. Sure I could. Why should I? chuckle Of course you can't. -- Mark Wieber is a dole scrounger, a congenital liar, and a chiseler. |
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On 6/8/2018 8:07 AM, Mayla wrote:
On Fri, 8 Jun 2018 10:19:53 -0400, "Jim Wilkins" wrote: "Mayla" wrote in message ... On Thu, 7 Jun 2018 21:23:04 -0400, "Jim Wilkins" wrote: "Gunner Asch" wrote in message ... Even California has bigger forging presses. Most are hydraulically operated these days. Control is far far better and can be tuned to whatever you are forging. http://web.webermetals.com/60000-ton-press/ Thats 60,000 Tons..per square inch btw The highest pressure presses can fit in your hand: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diamond_anvil_cell 640 GPa = 93,000,000 PSI You appear to be mistaken. Because that's only 46,500 tons psi, more than 20% less than Gunner's example. He says he does engineering every day https://groups.google.com/d/msg/talk...8/W18ojvVyFwAJ so he must be up on these things. Perhaps he could suggest somewhere for you to get some remedial training. Best to avoid the embarrassment of claiming some dinky thing has the highest pressure when we have it on good authority that much higher pressures are achieved on a warehouse-sized device. BTW, does anybody know what they're doing with triple the pressure of the Earth's core, at a warehouse in California? Some kind of advanced cubic zirconia factory? You appear to be another alias of Gunner's obsessively deranged parasite. What is this, some kind of see-no-ineptitude "engineering" brotherhood? LOL Ha ha ha ha ha! Good one! |
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On 6/8/2018 8:04 AM, Mayla wrote:
On Fri, 08 Jun 2018 07:29:04 -0700, Gunner Asch wrote: On Fri, 08 Jun 2018 07:06:29 -0700, Mayla wrote: On Thu, 7 Jun 2018 21:23:04 -0400, "Jim Wilkins" wrote: "Gunner Asch" wrote in message ... Even California has bigger forging presses. Most are hydraulically operated these days. Control is far far better and can be tuned to whatever you are forging. http://web.webermetals.com/60000-ton-press/ Thats 60,000 Tons..per square inch btw The highest pressure presses can fit in your hand: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diamond_anvil_cell 640 GPa = 93,000,000 PSI You appear to be mistaken. Because that's only 46,500 tons psi, more than 20% less than Gunner's example. He says he does engineering every day https://groups.google.com/d/msg/talk...8/W18ojvVyFwAJ so he must be up on these things. Perhaps he could suggest somewhere for you to get some remedial training. Best to avoid the embarrassment of claiming some dinky thing has the highest pressure when we have it on good authority that much higher pressures are achieved on a warehouse-sized device. I "must be up on these things"? Well, yeah. Normally one expects people who "do engineering" to be up on basic concepts and terms such as psi. Do you disagree? Are there some special circumstances that prevent you from explaining your own statements? Only one special circumstance: no engineering background. Other than that... chuckle "Thats 60,000 Tons..per square inch btw" I note that you did not say that was the highest pressure in the world. Please set Jim straight on where we can find the absolute highest pressure presses. -- Mark Wieber is a dole scrounger, a congenital liar, and a chiseler. |
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On Fri, 8 Jun 2018 09:48:19 -0700, raykeller
i'll_stick_my_2_cm_cock_in_Wieber's_ass_in_3_2_1@ I_is_a_looser.con wrote: On 6/8/2018 8:04 AM, Mayla wrote: On Fri, 08 Jun 2018 07:29:04 -0700, Gunner Asch wrote: On Fri, 08 Jun 2018 07:06:29 -0700, Mayla wrote: On Thu, 7 Jun 2018 21:23:04 -0400, "Jim Wilkins" wrote: "Gunner Asch" wrote in message ... Even California has bigger forging presses. Most are hydraulically operated these days. Control is far far better and can be tuned to whatever you are forging. http://web.webermetals.com/60000-ton-press/ Thats 60,000 Tons..per square inch btw The highest pressure presses can fit in your hand: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diamond_anvil_cell 640 GPa = 93,000,000 PSI You appear to be mistaken. Because that's only 46,500 tons psi, more than 20% less than Gunner's example. He says he does engineering every day https://groups.google.com/d/msg/talk...8/W18ojvVyFwAJ so he must be up on these things. Perhaps he could suggest somewhere for you to get some remedial training. Best to avoid the embarrassment of claiming some dinky thing has the highest pressure when we have it on good authority that much higher pressures are achieved on a warehouse-sized device. I "must be up on these things"? Well, yeah. Normally one expects people who "do engineering" to be up on basic concepts and terms such as psi. Do you disagree? Are there some special circumstances that prevent you from explaining your own statements? Only one special circumstance: no engineering background. Other than that... chuckle The problem is much deeper than a lack of engineering background. A high-school level tutorial on the basics of pressure versus total force would take about a half hour. Folks of average intelligence wouldn't find it difficult. I know good people who could never get it though. But I don't know any good people who would try to fake it, in print no less, as Wieber does with his 165 IQ. LOL |
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I saw an incredible steam forging hammer in Chicago
On Thu, 07 Jun 2018 23:58:58 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote: On Thu, 07 Jun 2018 16:39:50 -0700, pyotr filipivich wrote: Gunner Asch on Thu, 07 Jun 2018 14:19:20 -0700 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following: On Thu, 07 Jun 2018 13:46:57 -0500, Jon Elson wrote: On Wed, 06 Jun 2018 19:49:29 -0500, Ignoramus22513 wrote: Totally shocking size of this hammer, and incredible operation. https://www.machinerymoverschicago.c...orging-Hammer/ WOW, had no idea such gear was still in use! What the heck were they making? Jon Even California has bigger forging presses. Most are hydraulically operated these days. Control is far far better and can be tuned to whatever you are forging. http://web.webermetals.com/60000-ton-press/ Thats 60,000 Tons..per square inch btw I believe Ive posted these job site phots before 31,000 Ton press https://goo.gl/photos/SSfbczRwjsEtCwyN7 41,000 ton press https://goo.gl/photos/hEKGca9vzDenPvwU9 Yeah, but there is something satisfying about just hitting it with a bigger hammer. I mean, a really, really bigger hammer. -- pyotr filipivich "With Age comes Wisdom. Although far too often, Age travels alone." True..that Bong! is cool..assuming A red hot steel object the size of a Jeep Cherokee bongs ROTFLMAO. I'll bet it still does. -- If we can ever make red tape nutritional, we can feed the world. --Robert Schaeberle |
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On Fri, 08 Jun 2018 07:08:58 -0700, Mayla wrote:
On Fri, 08 Jun 2018 00:00:30 -0700, Gunner Asch wrote: On Thu, 07 Jun 2018 17:16:39 -0700, Mayla wrote: On Thu, 07 Jun 2018 14:19:20 -0700, Gunner Asch wrote: Thats 60,000 Tons..per square inch btw Area is what, 10' x 10'? What's the total force work out to? chuckle Depends on the size of the content of the dies. Assume 10' X 10' as I said, and empty platens. What is the total force? A gazillion dynes. -- If we can ever make red tape nutritional, we can feed the world. --Robert Schaeberle |
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On Thu, 7 Jun 2018 22:12:35 +0100, David Billington
wrote: On 07/06/18 01:49, Ignoramus22513 wrote: Totally shocking size of this hammer, and incredible operation. https://www.machinerymoverschicago.c...orging-Hammer/ Reminded me of the Creusot Steam hammer in France which I read about recently in Model Engineer https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creusot_steam_hammer . Cool: An Eiffel Hammer. Here's a fun freehand run, which looks much like the early French model: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYnB73O62xc Sux 2 b them. -- If we can ever make red tape nutritional, we can feed the world. --Robert Schaeberle |
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On Fri, 08 Jun 2018 09:41:07 -0700, Mayla wrote:
On Fri, 08 Jun 2018 08:26:50 -0700, Gunner Asch wrote: On Fri, 08 Jun 2018 08:00:39 -0700, Mayla wrote: On Fri, 08 Jun 2018 07:12:25 -0700, Gunner Asch wrote: On Fri, 08 Jun 2018 07:08:58 -0700, Mayla wrote: On Fri, 08 Jun 2018 00:00:30 -0700, Gunner Asch wrote: On Thu, 07 Jun 2018 17:16:39 -0700, Mayla wrote: On Thu, 07 Jun 2018 14:19:20 -0700, Gunner Asch wrote: Thats 60,000 Tons..per square inch btw Area is what, 10' x 10'? What's the total force work out to? chuckle Depends on the size of the content of the dies. Assume 10' X 10' as I said, and empty platens. What is the total force? The total force if adjusted to max loading, is 60,000 tons per square inch. Can you provide a cite for your number? Perhaps you could compare it to other industrial processes you've encountered in your vast experience. Sure I could. Why should I? To support your own statement, to show off your engineering chops, to provide entertainment for incredulous readers who might have wondered what level of thinking they could buy for $75 an hour. Off to LA for a few days. Be sure to keep your distance from that 60k ton psi warehouse. They may be trying to generate some kind of gravitational singularity. I doubt the brakes on any of your clunkers could prevent you being sucked in. Which 60k ton warehouse? You mean this 41,000 ton PSI press? https://goo.gl/photos/hEKGca9vzDenPvwU9 Or this 32,000 ton PSI press? https://goo.gl/photos/SSfbczRwjsEtCwyN7 My...dont you look amazingly stupid..again.... ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!! --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus |
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On Fri, 08 Jun 2018 10:20:56 -0700, Mayla wrote:
On Fri, 8 Jun 2018 09:48:19 -0700, raykeller i'll_stick_my_2_cm_cock_in_Wieber's_ass_in_3_2_1 @I_is_a_looser.con wrote: On 6/8/2018 8:04 AM, Mayla wrote: On Fri, 08 Jun 2018 07:29:04 -0700, Gunner Asch wrote: On Fri, 08 Jun 2018 07:06:29 -0700, Mayla wrote: On Thu, 7 Jun 2018 21:23:04 -0400, "Jim Wilkins" wrote: "Gunner Asch" wrote in message ... Even California has bigger forging presses. Most are hydraulically operated these days. Control is far far better and can be tuned to whatever you are forging. http://web.webermetals.com/60000-ton-press/ Thats 60,000 Tons..per square inch btw The highest pressure presses can fit in your hand: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diamond_anvil_cell 640 GPa = 93,000,000 PSI You appear to be mistaken. Because that's only 46,500 tons psi, more than 20% less than Gunner's example. He says he does engineering every day https://groups.google.com/d/msg/talk...8/W18ojvVyFwAJ so he must be up on these things. Perhaps he could suggest somewhere for you to get some remedial training. Best to avoid the embarrassment of claiming some dinky thing has the highest pressure when we have it on good authority that much higher pressures are achieved on a warehouse-sized device. I "must be up on these things"? Well, yeah. Normally one expects people who "do engineering" to be up on basic concepts and terms such as psi. Do you disagree? Are there some special circumstances that prevent you from explaining your own statements? Only one special circumstance: no engineering background. Other than that... chuckle The problem is much deeper than a lack of engineering background. A high-school level tutorial on the basics of pressure versus total force would take about a half hour. Folks of average intelligence wouldn't find it difficult. I know good people who could never get it though. But I don't know any good people who would try to fake it, in print no less, as Wieber does with his 165 IQ. LOL What..you mean the press wont deliver xx,xxx tons per square in? Over a rather large area..each little square inch getting xx,000 tons on it? Really? Oh woe is me..tell me it isnt so! Snicker...laugh laughlaughlaugh --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus |
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On Mon, 18 Jun 2018 21:30:33 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote: On Fri, 08 Jun 2018 10:20:56 -0700, Mayla wrote: On Fri, 8 Jun 2018 09:48:19 -0700, raykeller i'll_stick_my_2_cm_cock_in_Wieber's_ass_in_3_2_ wrote: On 6/8/2018 8:04 AM, Mayla wrote: On Fri, 08 Jun 2018 07:29:04 -0700, Gunner Asch wrote: On Fri, 08 Jun 2018 07:06:29 -0700, Mayla wrote: On Thu, 7 Jun 2018 21:23:04 -0400, "Jim Wilkins" wrote: "Gunner Asch" wrote in message ... Even California has bigger forging presses. Most are hydraulically operated these days. Control is far far better and can be tuned to whatever you are forging. http://web.webermetals.com/60000-ton-press/ Thats 60,000 Tons..per square inch btw The highest pressure presses can fit in your hand: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diamond_anvil_cell 640 GPa = 93,000,000 PSI You appear to be mistaken. Because that's only 46,500 tons psi, more than 20% less than Gunner's example. He says he does engineering every day https://groups.google.com/d/msg/talk...8/W18ojvVyFwAJ so he must be up on these things. Perhaps he could suggest somewhere for you to get some remedial training. Best to avoid the embarrassment of claiming some dinky thing has the highest pressure when we have it on good authority that much higher pressures are achieved on a warehouse-sized device. I "must be up on these things"? Well, yeah. Normally one expects people who "do engineering" to be up on basic concepts and terms such as psi. Do you disagree? Are there some special circumstances that prevent you from explaining your own statements? Only one special circumstance: no engineering background. Other than that... chuckle The problem is much deeper than a lack of engineering background. A high-school level tutorial on the basics of pressure versus total force would take about a half hour. Folks of average intelligence wouldn't find it difficult. I know good people who could never get it though. But I don't know any good people who would try to fake it, in print no less, as Wieber does with his 165 IQ. LOL What..you mean the press wont deliver xx,xxx tons per square in? Obviously not. Well, obvious to the sane anyway. Over a rather large area..each little square inch getting xx,000 tons on it? What is the xx000 tons? Let's use your lowest number, 11,000 tons per sq in. What die material do you recommend? Bonus questions - do you have any idea what a calculator is, and what it's used for? Mark Wieber, owner chuckle Coyote Engineering - "I assume you are bitching about the term "Engineering"...right? I do That..every day." https://groups.google.com/forum/#!ms...8/W18ojvVyFwAJ Really? Oh woe is me..tell me it isnt so! Woe is you. But I can't say I'm surprised that you keep repeating your error. Snicker...laugh laughlaughlaugh Yes. |
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