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On Tuesday, June 19, 2018 at 12:30:36 AM UTC-4, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Fri, 08 Jun 2018 10:20:56 -0700, Mayla wrote:

On Fri, 8 Jun 2018 09:48:19 -0700, raykeller
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wrote:

On 6/8/2018 8:04 AM, Mayla wrote:
On Fri, 08 Jun 2018 07:29:04 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Fri, 08 Jun 2018 07:06:29 -0700, Mayla wrote:

On Thu, 7 Jun 2018 21:23:04 -0400, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote:

"Gunner Asch" wrote in message
...

Even California has bigger forging presses. Most are hydraulically
operated these days. Control is far far better and can be tuned to
whatever you are forging.

http://web.webermetals.com/60000-ton-press/

Thats 60,000 Tons..per square inch btw

The highest pressure presses can fit in your hand:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diamond_anvil_cell
640 GPa = 93,000,000 PSI

You appear to be mistaken. Because that's only 46,500 tons psi, more
than 20% less than Gunner's example. He says he does engineering every
day
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/talk...8/W18ojvVyFwAJ
so he must be up on these things. Perhaps he could suggest somewhere
for you to get some remedial training. Best to avoid the embarrassment
of claiming some dinky thing has the highest pressure when we have it
on good authority that much higher pressures are achieved on a
warehouse-sized device.

I "must be up on these things"?

Well, yeah. Normally one expects people who "do engineering" to be up
on basic concepts and terms such as psi. Do you disagree? Are there
some special circumstances that prevent you from explaining your own
statements?

Only one special circumstance: no engineering background.

Other than that...

chuckle


The problem is much deeper than a lack of engineering background. A
high-school level tutorial on the basics of pressure versus total
force would take about a half hour. Folks of average intelligence
wouldn't find it difficult. I know good people who could never get it
though. But I don't know any good people who would try to fake it, in
print no less, as Wieber does with his 165 IQ. LOL



What..you mean the press wont deliver xx,xxx tons per square in? Over
a rather large area..each little square inch getting xx,000 tons on
it?

Really? Oh woe is me..tell me it isnt so!

Snicker...laugh laughlaughlaugh


60,000 tons per square inch is at least 500 times more than any metalworking press can deliver; around 1,000 times more than any commercial metalworking press can deliver without tearing itself apart.

The steel in the ram itself will collapse like a wet noodle if you try to load it to more than 60 - 75 tons per square inch.

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On Tue, 19 Jun 2018 08:58:24 -0700, Dear Believer
wrote:

On Mon, 18 Jun 2018 21:30:33 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Fri, 08 Jun 2018 10:20:56 -0700, Mayla wrote:

On Fri, 8 Jun 2018 09:48:19 -0700, raykeller
i'll_stick_my_2_cm_cock_in_Wieber's_ass_in_3_2
wrote:

On 6/8/2018 8:04 AM, Mayla wrote:
On Fri, 08 Jun 2018 07:29:04 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Fri, 08 Jun 2018 07:06:29 -0700, Mayla wrote:

On Thu, 7 Jun 2018 21:23:04 -0400, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote:

"Gunner Asch" wrote in message
...

Even California has bigger forging presses. Most are hydraulically
operated these days. Control is far far better and can be tuned to
whatever you are forging.

http://web.webermetals.com/60000-ton-press/

Thats 60,000 Tons..per square inch btw

The highest pressure presses can fit in your hand:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diamond_anvil_cell
640 GPa = 93,000,000 PSI

You appear to be mistaken. Because that's only 46,500 tons psi, more
than 20% less than Gunner's example. He says he does engineering every
day
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/talk...8/W18ojvVyFwAJ
so he must be up on these things. Perhaps he could suggest somewhere
for you to get some remedial training. Best to avoid the embarrassment
of claiming some dinky thing has the highest pressure when we have it
on good authority that much higher pressures are achieved on a
warehouse-sized device.

I "must be up on these things"?

Well, yeah. Normally one expects people who "do engineering" to be up
on basic concepts and terms such as psi. Do you disagree? Are there
some special circumstances that prevent you from explaining your own
statements?

Only one special circumstance: no engineering background.

Other than that...

chuckle

The problem is much deeper than a lack of engineering background. A
high-school level tutorial on the basics of pressure versus total
force would take about a half hour. Folks of average intelligence
wouldn't find it difficult. I know good people who could never get it
though. But I don't know any good people who would try to fake it, in
print no less, as Wieber does with his 165 IQ. LOL



What..you mean the press wont deliver xx,xxx tons per square in?


Obviously not. Well, obvious to the sane anyway.

Over
a rather large area..each little square inch getting xx,000 tons on
it?


What is the xx000 tons? Let's use your lowest number, 11,000 tons per
sq in. What die material do you recommend? Bonus questions - do you
have any idea what a calculator is, and what it's used for?

Mark Wieber, owner chuckle Coyote Engineering - "I assume you are
bitching about the term "Engineering"...right? I do That..every day."
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!ms...8/W18ojvVyFwAJ

Really? Oh woe is me..tell me it isnt so!


Woe is you. But I can't say I'm surprised that you keep repeating your
error.

Snicker...laugh laughlaughlaugh


Yes.


Laughlaughlaughlaughlaughlaugh!!


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On Mon, 18 Jun 2018 21:27:53 -0700, Gunner Asch
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On Fri, 08 Jun 2018 09:41:07 -0700, Mayla wrote:


Be sure to keep your distance from that 60k ton psi warehouse. They
may be trying to generate some kind of gravitational singularity. I
doubt the brakes on any of your clunkers could prevent you being
sucked in.


Which 60k ton warehouse?

You mean this 41,000 ton PSI press?

https://goo.gl/photos/hEKGca9vzDenPvwU9


No, not one.

Or this 32,000 ton PSI press?

https://goo.gl/photos/SSfbczRwjsEtCwyN7


No, not that one.

This is the one you told us about.
http://web.webermetals.com/60000-ton-press/

You wrote:
"Thats 60,000 Tons..per square inch btw"
"The total force if adjusted to max loading, is 60,000 tons per
square inch."

The maker says the platen size 10' X 20'. So that you don't need a
calculator to answer the following question, I'll tell you the platen
is about 29,000 sq inches.

I ask again, what is the total force based on your specs and the
platen size?
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On Tue, 19 Jun 2018 09:04:51 -0700, Gunner Asch
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On Tue, 19 Jun 2018 08:58:24 -0700, Dear Believer
wrote:

On Mon, 18 Jun 2018 21:30:33 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Fri, 08 Jun 2018 10:20:56 -0700, Mayla wrote:

On Fri, 8 Jun 2018 09:48:19 -0700, raykeller
i'll_stick_my_2_cm_cock_in_Wieber's_ass_in_3_
wrote:

On 6/8/2018 8:04 AM, Mayla wrote:
On Fri, 08 Jun 2018 07:29:04 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Fri, 08 Jun 2018 07:06:29 -0700, Mayla wrote:

On Thu, 7 Jun 2018 21:23:04 -0400, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote:

"Gunner Asch" wrote in message
...

Even California has bigger forging presses. Most are hydraulically
operated these days. Control is far far better and can be tuned to
whatever you are forging.

http://web.webermetals.com/60000-ton-press/

Thats 60,000 Tons..per square inch btw

The highest pressure presses can fit in your hand:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diamond_anvil_cell
640 GPa = 93,000,000 PSI

You appear to be mistaken. Because that's only 46,500 tons psi, more
than 20% less than Gunner's example. He says he does engineering every
day
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/talk...8/W18ojvVyFwAJ
so he must be up on these things. Perhaps he could suggest somewhere
for you to get some remedial training. Best to avoid the embarrassment
of claiming some dinky thing has the highest pressure when we have it
on good authority that much higher pressures are achieved on a
warehouse-sized device.

I "must be up on these things"?

Well, yeah. Normally one expects people who "do engineering" to be up
on basic concepts and terms such as psi. Do you disagree? Are there
some special circumstances that prevent you from explaining your own
statements?

Only one special circumstance: no engineering background.

Other than that...

chuckle

The problem is much deeper than a lack of engineering background. A
high-school level tutorial on the basics of pressure versus total
force would take about a half hour. Folks of average intelligence
wouldn't find it difficult. I know good people who could never get it
though. But I don't know any good people who would try to fake it, in
print no less, as Wieber does with his 165 IQ. LOL


What..you mean the press wont deliver xx,xxx tons per square in?


Obviously not. Well, obvious to the sane anyway.

Over
a rather large area..each little square inch getting xx,000 tons on
it?


What is the xx000 tons? Let's use your lowest number, 11,000 tons per
sq in. What die material do you recommend? Bonus questions - do you
have any idea what a calculator is, and what it's used for?

Mark Wieber, owner chuckle Coyote Engineering - "I assume you are
bitching about the term "Engineering"...right? I do That..every day."
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!ms...8/W18ojvVyFwAJ

Really? Oh woe is me..tell me it isnt so!


Woe is you. But I can't say I'm surprised that you keep repeating your
error.

Snicker...laugh laughlaughlaugh


Yes.


Laughlaughlaughlaughlaughlaugh!!


Simplest questions ever asked -

1. Who is buried in Grant's Tomb?
2. What is the total force of a 60k ton press?

"Engineer" Wieber should at least be able to answer #2, if not for the
fact that his brain is full of #2.
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On Tue, 19 Jun 2018 09:02:25 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Tuesday, June 19, 2018 at 12:30:36 AM UTC-4, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Fri, 08 Jun 2018 10:20:56 -0700, Mayla wrote:

On Fri, 8 Jun 2018 09:48:19 -0700, raykeller
i'll_stick_my_2_cm_cock_in_Wieber's_ass_in_3_2_1 @I_is_a_looser.con
wrote:

On 6/8/2018 8:04 AM, Mayla wrote:
On Fri, 08 Jun 2018 07:29:04 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Fri, 08 Jun 2018 07:06:29 -0700, Mayla wrote:

On Thu, 7 Jun 2018 21:23:04 -0400, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote:

"Gunner Asch" wrote in message
...

Even California has bigger forging presses. Most are hydraulically
operated these days. Control is far far better and can be tuned to
whatever you are forging.

http://web.webermetals.com/60000-ton-press/

Thats 60,000 Tons..per square inch btw

The highest pressure presses can fit in your hand:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diamond_anvil_cell
640 GPa = 93,000,000 PSI

You appear to be mistaken. Because that's only 46,500 tons psi, more
than 20% less than Gunner's example. He says he does engineering every
day
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/talk...8/W18ojvVyFwAJ
so he must be up on these things. Perhaps he could suggest somewhere
for you to get some remedial training. Best to avoid the embarrassment
of claiming some dinky thing has the highest pressure when we have it
on good authority that much higher pressures are achieved on a
warehouse-sized device.

I "must be up on these things"?

Well, yeah. Normally one expects people who "do engineering" to be up
on basic concepts and terms such as psi. Do you disagree? Are there
some special circumstances that prevent you from explaining your own
statements?

Only one special circumstance: no engineering background.

Other than that...

chuckle

The problem is much deeper than a lack of engineering background. A
high-school level tutorial on the basics of pressure versus total
force would take about a half hour. Folks of average intelligence
wouldn't find it difficult. I know good people who could never get it
though. But I don't know any good people who would try to fake it, in
print no less, as Wieber does with his 165 IQ. LOL



What..you mean the press wont deliver xx,xxx tons per square in? Over
a rather large area..each little square inch getting xx,000 tons on
it?

Really? Oh woe is me..tell me it isnt so!

Snicker...laugh laughlaughlaugh


60,000 tons per square inch is at least 500 times more than any metalworking press can deliver; around 1,000 times more than any commercial metalworking press can deliver without tearing itself apart.

The steel in the ram itself will collapse like a wet noodle if you try to load it to more than 60 - 75 tons per square inch.


You *******! Why are you spoiling my fun? No matter I suppose. If
history is any guide, Wieber will stick to his story, physics be
damned. Forecast is calling for more comedy. Maybe this newsgroup can
become know as the Onion of materials science.


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On 6/19/2018 9:24 AM, Dear Believer wrote:
On Tue, 19 Jun 2018 09:04:51 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Tue, 19 Jun 2018 08:58:24 -0700, Dear Believer
wrote:

On Mon, 18 Jun 2018 21:30:33 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Fri, 08 Jun 2018 10:20:56 -0700, Mayla wrote:

On Fri, 8 Jun 2018 09:48:19 -0700, raykeller
i'll_stick_my_2_cm_cock_in_Wieber's_ass_in_3_2_1@ I_is_a_looser.con
wrote:

On 6/8/2018 8:04 AM, Mayla wrote:
On Fri, 08 Jun 2018 07:29:04 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Fri, 08 Jun 2018 07:06:29 -0700, Mayla wrote:

On Thu, 7 Jun 2018 21:23:04 -0400, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote:

"Gunner Asch" wrote in message
...

Even California has bigger forging presses. Most are hydraulically
operated these days. Control is far far better and can be tuned to
whatever you are forging.

http://web.webermetals.com/60000-ton-press/

Thats 60,000 Tons..per square inch btw

The highest pressure presses can fit in your hand:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diamond_anvil_cell
640 GPa = 93,000,000 PSI

You appear to be mistaken. Because that's only 46,500 tons psi, more
than 20% less than Gunner's example. He says he does engineering every
day
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/talk...8/W18ojvVyFwAJ
so he must be up on these things. Perhaps he could suggest somewhere
for you to get some remedial training. Best to avoid the embarrassment
of claiming some dinky thing has the highest pressure when we have it
on good authority that much higher pressures are achieved on a
warehouse-sized device.

I "must be up on these things"?

Well, yeah. Normally one expects people who "do engineering" to be up
on basic concepts and terms such as psi. Do you disagree? Are there
some special circumstances that prevent you from explaining your own
statements?

Only one special circumstance: no engineering background.

Other than that...

chuckle

The problem is much deeper than a lack of engineering background. A
high-school level tutorial on the basics of pressure versus total
force would take about a half hour. Folks of average intelligence
wouldn't find it difficult. I know good people who could never get it
though. But I don't know any good people who would try to fake it, in
print no less, as Wieber does with his 165 IQ. LOL


What..you mean the press wont deliver xx,xxx tons per square in?

Obviously not. Well, obvious to the sane anyway.

Over
a rather large area..each little square inch getting xx,000 tons on
it?

What is the xx000 tons? Let's use your lowest number, 11,000 tons per
sq in. What die material do you recommend? Bonus questions - do you
have any idea what a calculator is, and what it's used for?

Mark Wieber, owner chuckle Coyote Engineering - "I assume you are
bitching about the term "Engineering"...right? I do That..every day."
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!ms...8/W18ojvVyFwAJ

Really? Oh woe is me..tell me it isnt so!

Woe is you. But I can't say I'm surprised that you keep repeating your
error.

Snicker...laugh laughlaughlaugh

Yes.


Laughlaughlaughlaughlaughlaugh!!


Simplest questions ever asked -

1. Who is buried in Grant's Tomb?
2. What is the total force of a 60k ton press?

"Engineer" Wieber should at least be able to answer #2, if not for the
fact that his brain is full of #2.


Have you ever seen a worse combination of stupidity and stubbornness as
Wieber?
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On Tuesday, June 19, 2018 at 12:34:45 PM UTC-4, Dear Believer wrote:
On Tue, 19 Jun 2018 09:02:25 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Tuesday, June 19, 2018 at 12:30:36 AM UTC-4, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Fri, 08 Jun 2018 10:20:56 -0700, Mayla wrote:

On Fri, 8 Jun 2018 09:48:19 -0700, raykeller
i'll_stick_my_2_cm_cock_in_Wieber's_ass_in_3_2_1 @I_is_a_looser.con
wrote:

On 6/8/2018 8:04 AM, Mayla wrote:
On Fri, 08 Jun 2018 07:29:04 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Fri, 08 Jun 2018 07:06:29 -0700, Mayla wrote:

On Thu, 7 Jun 2018 21:23:04 -0400, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote:

"Gunner Asch" wrote in message
...

Even California has bigger forging presses. Most are hydraulically
operated these days. Control is far far better and can be tuned to
whatever you are forging.

http://web.webermetals.com/60000-ton-press/

Thats 60,000 Tons..per square inch btw

The highest pressure presses can fit in your hand:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diamond_anvil_cell
640 GPa = 93,000,000 PSI

You appear to be mistaken. Because that's only 46,500 tons psi, more
than 20% less than Gunner's example. He says he does engineering every
day
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/talk...8/W18ojvVyFwAJ
so he must be up on these things. Perhaps he could suggest somewhere
for you to get some remedial training. Best to avoid the embarrassment
of claiming some dinky thing has the highest pressure when we have it
on good authority that much higher pressures are achieved on a
warehouse-sized device.

I "must be up on these things"?

Well, yeah. Normally one expects people who "do engineering" to be up
on basic concepts and terms such as psi. Do you disagree? Are there
some special circumstances that prevent you from explaining your own
statements?

Only one special circumstance: no engineering background.

Other than that...

chuckle

The problem is much deeper than a lack of engineering background. A
high-school level tutorial on the basics of pressure versus total
force would take about a half hour. Folks of average intelligence
wouldn't find it difficult. I know good people who could never get it
though. But I don't know any good people who would try to fake it, in
print no less, as Wieber does with his 165 IQ. LOL


What..you mean the press wont deliver xx,xxx tons per square in? Over
a rather large area..each little square inch getting xx,000 tons on
it?

Really? Oh woe is me..tell me it isnt so!

Snicker...laugh laughlaughlaugh


60,000 tons per square inch is at least 500 times more than any metalworking press can deliver; around 1,000 times more than any commercial metalworking press can deliver without tearing itself apart.

The steel in the ram itself will collapse like a wet noodle if you try to load it to more than 60 - 75 tons per square inch.


You *******! Why are you spoiling my fun? No matter I suppose. If
history is any guide, Wieber will stick to his story, physics be
damned. Forecast is calling for more comedy. Maybe this newsgroup can
become know as the Onion of materials science.


He rarely admits it when he's wrong -- in fact, he'll often resist any evidence, no matter how obvious and unquestionable, that contradicts something stupid that he's said.

He's an ideal Trump supporter. d8-)

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On Tue, 19 Jun 2018 12:21:49 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Tuesday, June 19, 2018 at 12:34:45 PM UTC-4, Dear Believer wrote:
On Tue, 19 Jun 2018 09:02:25 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

On Tuesday, June 19, 2018 at 12:30:36 AM UTC-4, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Fri, 08 Jun 2018 10:20:56 -0700, Mayla wrote:

On Fri, 8 Jun 2018 09:48:19 -0700, raykeller
i'll_stick_my_2_cm_cock_in_Wieber's_ass_in_3_2_1 @I_is_a_looser.con
wrote:

On 6/8/2018 8:04 AM, Mayla wrote:
On Fri, 08 Jun 2018 07:29:04 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Fri, 08 Jun 2018 07:06:29 -0700, Mayla wrote:

On Thu, 7 Jun 2018 21:23:04 -0400, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote:

"Gunner Asch" wrote in message
...

Even California has bigger forging presses. Most are hydraulically
operated these days. Control is far far better and can be tuned to
whatever you are forging.

http://web.webermetals.com/60000-ton-press/

Thats 60,000 Tons..per square inch btw

The highest pressure presses can fit in your hand:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diamond_anvil_cell
640 GPa = 93,000,000 PSI

You appear to be mistaken. Because that's only 46,500 tons psi, more
than 20% less than Gunner's example. He says he does engineering every
day
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/talk...8/W18ojvVyFwAJ
so he must be up on these things. Perhaps he could suggest somewhere
for you to get some remedial training. Best to avoid the embarrassment
of claiming some dinky thing has the highest pressure when we have it
on good authority that much higher pressures are achieved on a
warehouse-sized device.

I "must be up on these things"?

Well, yeah. Normally one expects people who "do engineering" to be up
on basic concepts and terms such as psi. Do you disagree? Are there
some special circumstances that prevent you from explaining your own
statements?

Only one special circumstance: no engineering background.

Other than that...

chuckle

The problem is much deeper than a lack of engineering background. A
high-school level tutorial on the basics of pressure versus total
force would take about a half hour. Folks of average intelligence
wouldn't find it difficult. I know good people who could never get it
though. But I don't know any good people who would try to fake it, in
print no less, as Wieber does with his 165 IQ. LOL


What..you mean the press wont deliver xx,xxx tons per square in? Over
a rather large area..each little square inch getting xx,000 tons on
it?

Really? Oh woe is me..tell me it isnt so!

Snicker...laugh laughlaughlaugh


60,000 tons per square inch is at least 500 times more than any metalworking press can deliver; around 1,000 times more than any commercial metalworking press can deliver without tearing itself apart.

The steel in the ram itself will collapse like a wet noodle if you try to load it to more than 60 - 75 tons per square inch.


You *******! Why are you spoiling my fun? No matter I suppose. If
history is any guide, Wieber will stick to his story, physics be
damned. Forecast is calling for more comedy. Maybe this newsgroup can
become know as the Onion of materials science.


He rarely admits it when he's wrong -- in fact, he'll often resist any evidence, no matter how obvious and unquestionable, that contradicts something stupid that he's said.

He's an ideal Trump supporter. d8-)


Could Wieberskull material be used for super-strength rams and dies?

I love Wieber physics. Here's another of my favorites in which Admiral
Wieber, who "does" engineering every day, weighs in on climate change
by summoning all the buoyancy expertise he gained while hoarding free
sailboats.

"Ice is 30% larger in volume than water. When a block of ice floating
in a container of water melts..the water level goes....down..not up"
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt....c/BP4WQAsFAwAJ

Perhaps he'll take this opportunity to explain how much the water goes
down "per sq inch... btw."
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On 6/19/2018 9:24 AM, Dear Believer wrote:
On Tue, 19 Jun 2018 09:04:51 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Tue, 19 Jun 2018 08:58:24 -0700, Dear Believer
wrote:

On Mon, 18 Jun 2018 21:30:33 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Fri, 08 Jun 2018 10:20:56 -0700, Mayla wrote:

On Fri, 8 Jun 2018 09:48:19 -0700, raykeller
i'll_stick_my_2_cm_cock_in_Wieber's_ass_in_3_2_1@ I_is_a_looser.con
wrote:

On 6/8/2018 8:04 AM, Mayla wrote:
On Fri, 08 Jun 2018 07:29:04 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Fri, 08 Jun 2018 07:06:29 -0700, Mayla wrote:

On Thu, 7 Jun 2018 21:23:04 -0400, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote:

"Gunner Asch" wrote in message
...

Even California has bigger forging presses. Most are hydraulically
operated these days. Control is far far better and can be tuned to
whatever you are forging.

http://web.webermetals.com/60000-ton-press/

Thats 60,000 Tons..per square inch btw

The highest pressure presses can fit in your hand:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diamond_anvil_cell
640 GPa = 93,000,000 PSI

You appear to be mistaken. Because that's only 46,500 tons psi, more
than 20% less than Gunner's example. He says he does engineering every
day
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/talk...8/W18ojvVyFwAJ
so he must be up on these things. Perhaps he could suggest somewhere
for you to get some remedial training. Best to avoid the embarrassment
of claiming some dinky thing has the highest pressure when we have it
on good authority that much higher pressures are achieved on a
warehouse-sized device.

I "must be up on these things"?

Well, yeah. Normally one expects people who "do engineering" to be up
on basic concepts and terms such as psi. Do you disagree? Are there
some special circumstances that prevent you from explaining your own
statements?

Only one special circumstance: no engineering background.

Other than that...

chuckle

The problem is much deeper than a lack of engineering background. A
high-school level tutorial on the basics of pressure versus total
force would take about a half hour. Folks of average intelligence
wouldn't find it difficult. I know good people who could never get it
though. But I don't know any good people who would try to fake it, in
print no less, as Wieber does with his 165 IQ. LOL


What..you mean the press wont deliver xx,xxx tons per square in?

Obviously not. Well, obvious to the sane anyway.

Over
a rather large area..each little square inch getting xx,000 tons on
it?

What is the xx000 tons? Let's use your lowest number, 11,000 tons per
sq in. What die material do you recommend? Bonus questions - do you
have any idea what a calculator is, and what it's used for?

Mark Wieber, owner chuckle Coyote Engineering - "I assume you are
bitching about the term "Engineering"...right? I do That..every day."
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!ms...8/W18ojvVyFwAJ

Really? Oh woe is me..tell me it isnt so!

Woe is you. But I can't say I'm surprised that you keep repeating your
error.

Snicker...laugh laughlaughlaugh

Yes.

Laughlaughlaughlaughlaughlaugh!!


Simplest questions ever asked -

1. Who is buried in Grant's Tomb?
2. What is the total force of a 60k ton press?

"Engineer" Wieber should at least be able to answer #2, if not for the
fact that his brain is full of #2.


Have you ever seen a worse combination of stupidity and stubbornness as
Wieber?


Nope, no one even close. SuperWieber is addicted to advertising his
limitations, a habit that puts him a special category. Faster than a
speeding bullet, more powerful than a locomotive, and with stupidity
and stubbornness far beyond that of mortal men.
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On Tue, 19 Jun 2018 17:41:41 -0700, Dear Believer
wrote:

On Tue, 19 Jun 2018 12:21:49 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Tuesday, June 19, 2018 at 12:34:45 PM UTC-4, Dear Believer wrote:
On Tue, 19 Jun 2018 09:02:25 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

On Tuesday, June 19, 2018 at 12:30:36 AM UTC-4, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Fri, 08 Jun 2018 10:20:56 -0700, Mayla wrote:

On Fri, 8 Jun 2018 09:48:19 -0700, raykeller
i'll_stick_my_2_cm_cock_in_Wieber's_ass_in_3_2_1 @I_is_a_looser.con
wrote:

On 6/8/2018 8:04 AM, Mayla wrote:
On Fri, 08 Jun 2018 07:29:04 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Fri, 08 Jun 2018 07:06:29 -0700, Mayla wrote:

On Thu, 7 Jun 2018 21:23:04 -0400, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote:

"Gunner Asch" wrote in message
...

Even California has bigger forging presses. Most are hydraulically
operated these days. Control is far far better and can be tuned to
whatever you are forging.

http://web.webermetals.com/60000-ton-press/

Thats 60,000 Tons..per square inch btw

The highest pressure presses can fit in your hand:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diamond_anvil_cell
640 GPa = 93,000,000 PSI

You appear to be mistaken. Because that's only 46,500 tons psi, more
than 20% less than Gunner's example. He says he does engineering every
day
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/talk...8/W18ojvVyFwAJ
so he must be up on these things. Perhaps he could suggest somewhere
for you to get some remedial training. Best to avoid the embarrassment
of claiming some dinky thing has the highest pressure when we have it
on good authority that much higher pressures are achieved on a
warehouse-sized device.

I "must be up on these things"?

Well, yeah. Normally one expects people who "do engineering" to be up
on basic concepts and terms such as psi. Do you disagree? Are there
some special circumstances that prevent you from explaining your own
statements?

Only one special circumstance: no engineering background.

Other than that...

chuckle

The problem is much deeper than a lack of engineering background. A
high-school level tutorial on the basics of pressure versus total
force would take about a half hour. Folks of average intelligence
wouldn't find it difficult. I know good people who could never get it
though. But I don't know any good people who would try to fake it, in
print no less, as Wieber does with his 165 IQ. LOL


What..you mean the press wont deliver xx,xxx tons per square in? Over
a rather large area..each little square inch getting xx,000 tons on
it?

Really? Oh woe is me..tell me it isnt so!

Snicker...laugh laughlaughlaugh


60,000 tons per square inch is at least 500 times more than any metalworking press can deliver; around 1,000 times more than any commercial metalworking press can deliver without tearing itself apart.

The steel in the ram itself will collapse like a wet noodle if you try to load it to more than 60 - 75 tons per square inch.

You *******! Why are you spoiling my fun? No matter I suppose. If
history is any guide, Wieber will stick to his story, physics be
damned. Forecast is calling for more comedy. Maybe this newsgroup can
become know as the Onion of materials science.


He rarely admits it when he's wrong -- in fact, he'll often resist any evidence, no matter how obvious and unquestionable, that contradicts something stupid that he's said.

He's an ideal Trump supporter. d8-)


Could Wieberskull material be used for super-strength rams and dies?

I love Wieber physics. Here's another of my favorites in which Admiral
Wieber, who "does" engineering every day, weighs in on climate change
by summoning all the buoyancy expertise he gained while hoarding free
sailboats.

"Ice is 30% larger in volume than water. When a block of ice floating
in a container of water melts..the water level goes....down..not up"
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt....c/BP4WQAsFAwAJ

Perhaps he'll take this opportunity to explain how much the water goes
down "per sq inch... btw."



Well, water aside it is safe to say that any time Wieber joins a
discussion the intelligence intellectual levels go down. Not up.

"Mama, that old boy is sure a dumb ass."

"Honey chile. Jus wait 'till he opens his mouth."


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Woe is you. But I can't say I'm surprised that you keep repeating your
error.

Snicker...laugh laughlaughlaugh

Yes.


Laughlaughlaughlaughlaughlaugh!!


Simplest questions ever asked -

1. Who is buried in Grant's Tomb?


Your gerbil?

2. What is the total force of a 60k ton press?


Hydraulic or? In a hydraulic press..its 60ktons per square inch. No
matter if the dies are 1x1" or 250x250"

You really have a problem with picturing that..dont you?

Pressure limited hydraulic presses dont use inertia, they dont use
falling or mechanically driven ****. The dies are run via hydraulics
which ..no matter the size of the dies...will deliver whatever PSI its
set for...no matter if its a tiny little gizmo..or a big assed gizmo.

You truely are stupid..ignorant, moronic, and mentally lazy as ****.

"Engineer" Wieber should at least be able to answer #2, if not for the
fact that his brain is full of #2.



See above..turd brain...laughlaughlaughlaughlaughlaughlaugh

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msLm4uPxTr0&t=59s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVNAP32q0dE


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On Tue, 19 Jun 2018 09:13:05 -0700, Dear Believer
wrote:

On Mon, 18 Jun 2018 21:27:53 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Fri, 08 Jun 2018 09:41:07 -0700, Mayla wrote:


Be sure to keep your distance from that 60k ton psi warehouse. They
may be trying to generate some kind of gravitational singularity. I
doubt the brakes on any of your clunkers could prevent you being
sucked in.


Which 60k ton warehouse?

You mean this 41,000 ton PSI press?

https://goo.gl/photos/hEKGca9vzDenPvwU9


No, not one.

Or this 32,000 ton PSI press?

https://goo.gl/photos/SSfbczRwjsEtCwyN7


No, not that one.

This is the one you told us about.
http://web.webermetals.com/60000-ton-press/

You wrote:
"Thats 60,000 Tons..per square inch btw"
"The total force if adjusted to max loading, is 60,000 tons per
square inch."

The maker says the platen size 10' X 20'. So that you don't need a
calculator to answer the following question, I'll tell you the platen
is about 29,000 sq inches.

I ask again, what is the total force based on your specs and the
platen size?


60,000 psi of course


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On Tue, 19 Jun 2018 09:34:45 -0700, Dear Believer
wrote:

On Tue, 19 Jun 2018 09:02:25 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Tuesday, June 19, 2018 at 12:30:36 AM UTC-4, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Fri, 08 Jun 2018 10:20:56 -0700, Mayla wrote:

On Fri, 8 Jun 2018 09:48:19 -0700, raykeller
i'll_stick_my_2_cm_cock_in_Wieber's_ass_in_3_2_1 @I_is_a_looser.con
wrote:

On 6/8/2018 8:04 AM, Mayla wrote:
On Fri, 08 Jun 2018 07:29:04 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Fri, 08 Jun 2018 07:06:29 -0700, Mayla wrote:

On Thu, 7 Jun 2018 21:23:04 -0400, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote:

"Gunner Asch" wrote in message
...

Even California has bigger forging presses. Most are hydraulically
operated these days. Control is far far better and can be tuned to
whatever you are forging.

http://web.webermetals.com/60000-ton-press/

Thats 60,000 Tons..per square inch btw

The highest pressure presses can fit in your hand:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diamond_anvil_cell
640 GPa = 93,000,000 PSI

You appear to be mistaken. Because that's only 46,500 tons psi, more
than 20% less than Gunner's example. He says he does engineering every
day
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/talk...8/W18ojvVyFwAJ
so he must be up on these things. Perhaps he could suggest somewhere
for you to get some remedial training. Best to avoid the embarrassment
of claiming some dinky thing has the highest pressure when we have it
on good authority that much higher pressures are achieved on a
warehouse-sized device.

I "must be up on these things"?

Well, yeah. Normally one expects people who "do engineering" to be up
on basic concepts and terms such as psi. Do you disagree? Are there
some special circumstances that prevent you from explaining your own
statements?

Only one special circumstance: no engineering background.

Other than that...

chuckle

The problem is much deeper than a lack of engineering background. A
high-school level tutorial on the basics of pressure versus total
force would take about a half hour. Folks of average intelligence
wouldn't find it difficult. I know good people who could never get it
though. But I don't know any good people who would try to fake it, in
print no less, as Wieber does with his 165 IQ. LOL


What..you mean the press wont deliver xx,xxx tons per square in? Over
a rather large area..each little square inch getting xx,000 tons on
it?

Really? Oh woe is me..tell me it isnt so!

Snicker...laugh laughlaughlaugh


60,000 tons per square inch is at least 500 times more than any metalworking press can deliver; around 1,000 times more than any commercial metalworking press can deliver without tearing itself apart.

The steel in the ram itself will collapse like a wet noodle if you try to load it to more than 60 - 75 tons per square inch.


You *******! Why are you spoiling my fun? No matter I suppose. If
history is any guide, Wieber will stick to his story, physics be
damned. Forecast is calling for more comedy. Maybe this newsgroup can
become know as the Onion of materials science.



http://www.hydraulicspneumatics.com/...luidPowerAcces

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOe8KYZXGeg

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On Wed, 20 Jun 2018 04:05:26 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Tue, 19 Jun 2018 09:13:05 -0700, Dear Believer
wrote:

On Mon, 18 Jun 2018 21:27:53 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Fri, 08 Jun 2018 09:41:07 -0700, Mayla wrote:


Be sure to keep your distance from that 60k ton psi warehouse. They
may be trying to generate some kind of gravitational singularity. I
doubt the brakes on any of your clunkers could prevent you being
sucked in.

Which 60k ton warehouse?

You mean this 41,000 ton PSI press?

https://goo.gl/photos/hEKGca9vzDenPvwU9


No, not one.

Or this 32,000 ton PSI press?

https://goo.gl/photos/SSfbczRwjsEtCwyN7


No, not that one.

This is the one you told us about.
http://web.webermetals.com/60000-ton-press/

You wrote:
"Thats 60,000 Tons..per square inch btw"
"The total force if adjusted to max loading, is 60,000 tons per
square inch."

The maker says the platen size 10' X 20'. So that you don't need a
calculator to answer the following question, I'll tell you the platen
is about 29,000 sq inches.

I ask again, what is the total force based on your specs and the
platen size?


60,000 psi of course


No. In your new story the press is 2000 times less powerful than in
your previous one, yet still hilariously wrong. Try again, moron.

WTF were you thinking when you wrote ""Engineering"...right? I do
That..every day."
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!ms...8/W18ojvVyFwAJ
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On Wed, 20 Jun 2018 04:02:38 -0700, Gunner Asch
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On Tue, 19 Jun 2018 09:24:03 -0700, Dear Believer
wrote:


Woe is you. But I can't say I'm surprised that you keep repeating your
error.

Snicker...laugh laughlaughlaugh

Yes.

Laughlaughlaughlaughlaughlaugh!!


Simplest questions ever asked -

1. Who is buried in Grant's Tomb?


Your gerbil?

2. What is the total force of a 60k ton press?


Hydraulic or? In a hydraulic press..its 60ktons per square inch. No
matter if the dies are 1x1" or 250x250"


No. Only out by a factor of thousands. Try again, moron.

And here's a new question for you. How many times do you believe you
need to repeat an error before it becomes correct?


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On Wed, 20 Jun 2018 04:10:45 -0700, Gunner Asch
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Wieber continues his attempts to "prove" the existence of his mythical
60k ton per sq. in. press.

http://www.hydraulicspneumatics.com/...luidPowerAcces


Nope. That's a 40k tons press. Not 60k ton per sq. in.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOe8KYZXGeg


Nope. That's a 60k ton press. Not 60k tons per sq. in.

Try again, moron. Have you considered learning the difference between
total force and force per sq, in.? Just a thought...

I feel sorry for any teacher who ever attempted to penetrate
Wieberskull.
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On Tuesday, June 19, 2018 at 8:41:41 PM UTC-4, Dear Believer wrote:
On Tue, 19 Jun 2018 12:21:49 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Tuesday, June 19, 2018 at 12:34:45 PM UTC-4, Dear Believer wrote:
On Tue, 19 Jun 2018 09:02:25 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

On Tuesday, June 19, 2018 at 12:30:36 AM UTC-4, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Fri, 08 Jun 2018 10:20:56 -0700, Mayla wrote:

On Fri, 8 Jun 2018 09:48:19 -0700, raykeller
i'll_stick_my_2_cm_cock_in_Wieber's_ass_in_3_2_1 @I_is_a_looser.con
wrote:

On 6/8/2018 8:04 AM, Mayla wrote:
On Fri, 08 Jun 2018 07:29:04 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Fri, 08 Jun 2018 07:06:29 -0700, Mayla wrote:

On Thu, 7 Jun 2018 21:23:04 -0400, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote:

"Gunner Asch" wrote in message
...

Even California has bigger forging presses. Most are hydraulically
operated these days. Control is far far better and can be tuned to
whatever you are forging.

http://web.webermetals.com/60000-ton-press/

Thats 60,000 Tons..per square inch btw

The highest pressure presses can fit in your hand:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diamond_anvil_cell
640 GPa = 93,000,000 PSI

You appear to be mistaken. Because that's only 46,500 tons psi, more
than 20% less than Gunner's example. He says he does engineering every
day
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/talk...8/W18ojvVyFwAJ
so he must be up on these things. Perhaps he could suggest somewhere
for you to get some remedial training. Best to avoid the embarrassment
of claiming some dinky thing has the highest pressure when we have it
on good authority that much higher pressures are achieved on a
warehouse-sized device.

I "must be up on these things"?

Well, yeah. Normally one expects people who "do engineering" to be up
on basic concepts and terms such as psi. Do you disagree? Are there
some special circumstances that prevent you from explaining your own
statements?

Only one special circumstance: no engineering background.

Other than that...

chuckle

The problem is much deeper than a lack of engineering background. A
high-school level tutorial on the basics of pressure versus total
force would take about a half hour. Folks of average intelligence
wouldn't find it difficult. I know good people who could never get it
though. But I don't know any good people who would try to fake it, in
print no less, as Wieber does with his 165 IQ. LOL


What..you mean the press wont deliver xx,xxx tons per square in? Over
a rather large area..each little square inch getting xx,000 tons on
it?

Really? Oh woe is me..tell me it isnt so!

Snicker...laugh laughlaughlaugh


60,000 tons per square inch is at least 500 times more than any metalworking press can deliver; around 1,000 times more than any commercial metalworking press can deliver without tearing itself apart.

The steel in the ram itself will collapse like a wet noodle if you try to load it to more than 60 - 75 tons per square inch.

You *******! Why are you spoiling my fun? No matter I suppose. If
history is any guide, Wieber will stick to his story, physics be
damned. Forecast is calling for more comedy. Maybe this newsgroup can
become know as the Onion of materials science.


He rarely admits it when he's wrong -- in fact, he'll often resist any evidence, no matter how obvious and unquestionable, that contradicts something stupid that he's said.

He's an ideal Trump supporter. d8-)


Could Wieberskull material be used for super-strength rams and dies?

I love Wieber physics. Here's another of my favorites in which Admiral
Wieber, who "does" engineering every day, weighs in on climate change
by summoning all the buoyancy expertise he gained while hoarding free
sailboats.

"Ice is 30% larger in volume than water. When a block of ice floating
in a container of water melts..the water level goes....down..not up"
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt....c/BP4WQAsFAwAJ

Perhaps he'll take this opportunity to explain how much the water goes
down "per sq inch... btw."


It's a matter of engaging the brain before opening the mouth. There may be a problem understanding basic high-school physics, as well.

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On Wed, 20 Jun 2018 12:39:24 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Tuesday, June 19, 2018 at 8:41:41 PM UTC-4, Dear Believer wrote:
On Tue, 19 Jun 2018 12:21:49 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

On Tuesday, June 19, 2018 at 12:34:45 PM UTC-4, Dear Believer wrote:
On Tue, 19 Jun 2018 09:02:25 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

On Tuesday, June 19, 2018 at 12:30:36 AM UTC-4, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Fri, 08 Jun 2018 10:20:56 -0700, Mayla wrote:


The problem is much deeper than a lack of engineering background. A
high-school level tutorial on the basics of pressure versus total
force would take about a half hour. Folks of average intelligence
wouldn't find it difficult. I know good people who could never get it
though. But I don't know any good people who would try to fake it, in
print no less, as Wieber does with his 165 IQ. LOL


What..you mean the press wont deliver xx,xxx tons per square in? Over
a rather large area..each little square inch getting xx,000 tons on
it?

Really? Oh woe is me..tell me it isnt so!

Snicker...laugh laughlaughlaugh


60,000 tons per square inch is at least 500 times more than any metalworking press can deliver; around 1,000 times more than any commercial metalworking press can deliver without tearing itself apart.

The steel in the ram itself will collapse like a wet noodle if you try to load it to more than 60 - 75 tons per square inch.

You *******! Why are you spoiling my fun? No matter I suppose. If
history is any guide, Wieber will stick to his story, physics be
damned. Forecast is calling for more comedy. Maybe this newsgroup can
become know as the Onion of materials science.

He rarely admits it when he's wrong -- in fact, he'll often resist any evidence, no matter how obvious and unquestionable, that contradicts something stupid that he's said.

He's an ideal Trump supporter. d8-)


Could Wieberskull material be used for super-strength rams and dies?

I love Wieber physics. Here's another of my favorites in which Admiral
Wieber, who "does" engineering every day, weighs in on climate change
by summoning all the buoyancy expertise he gained while hoarding free
sailboats.

"Ice is 30% larger in volume than water. When a block of ice floating
in a container of water melts..the water level goes....down..not up"
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt....c/BP4WQAsFAwAJ

Perhaps he'll take this opportunity to explain how much the water goes
down "per sq inch... btw."


It's a matter of engaging the brain before opening the mouth. There may be a problem understanding basic high-school physics, as well.


Add that to the very long list of things he can't reason out. Can you
believe he still couldn't get the per sq in thing even after I gave
him the Grant's Tomb hint? Man, that's scary dense.

I remember learning about buoyancy in grade school. Maybe it's not too
late for Wieber. Here's something he should be able to handle.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8kszaZGLKE Alas, the time he spends
learning new conspiracy theories doesn't leave him enough hours to
catch up on grade school physics.
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On 6/20/2018 7:46 AM, Dear Believer wrote:
On Wed, 20 Jun 2018 04:05:26 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Tue, 19 Jun 2018 09:13:05 -0700, Dear Believer
wrote:

On Mon, 18 Jun 2018 21:27:53 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Fri, 08 Jun 2018 09:41:07 -0700, Mayla wrote:

Be sure to keep your distance from that 60k ton psi warehouse. They
may be trying to generate some kind of gravitational singularity. I
doubt the brakes on any of your clunkers could prevent you being
sucked in.

Which 60k ton warehouse?

You mean this 41,000 ton PSI press?

https://goo.gl/photos/hEKGca9vzDenPvwU9

No, not one.

Or this 32,000 ton PSI press?

https://goo.gl/photos/SSfbczRwjsEtCwyN7

No, not that one.

This is the one you told us about.
http://web.webermetals.com/60000-ton-press/

You wrote:
"Thats 60,000 Tons..per square inch btw"
"The total force if adjusted to max loading, is 60,000 tons per
square inch."

The maker says the platen size 10' X 20'. So that you don't need a
calculator to answer the following question, I'll tell you the platen
is about 29,000 sq inches.

I ask again, what is the total force based on your specs and the
platen size?


60,000 psi of course


No. In your new story the press is 2000 times less powerful than in
your previous one, yet still hilariously wrong. Try again, moron.


I last did physics in 1972...in French. It took me all of 30 seconds to
do a search and find exactly where this ****wit is getting it wrong.

Don't worry, I'm not going to give it away and spoil your fun...not that
it would matter, because Ed already did and the ****wit Wieber *still*
didn't catch on.


WTF were you thinking when you wrote ""Engineering"...right? I do
That..every day."
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!ms...8/W18ojvVyFwAJ


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On Wed, 20 Jun 2018 04:02:38 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Tue, 19 Jun 2018 09:24:03 -0700, Dear Believer
wrote:


Woe is you. But I can't say I'm surprised that you keep repeating your
error.

Snicker...laugh laughlaughlaugh

Yes.

Laughlaughlaughlaughlaughlaugh!!

Simplest questions ever asked -

1. Who is buried in Grant's Tomb?


Your gerbil?

2. What is the total force of a 60k ton press?


Hydraulic or?


LOL! What a stupid chiseling dole-scrounging *non* engineer this doofus
Wieber is. What ****ing *DIFFERENCE* would it make if the press is
hydraulic or not when answering the question about the *TOTAL FORCE*?

****, that really *is* a "who is buried in Grant's Tomb" question.

In a hydraulic press..its 60ktons per square inch. No
matter if the dies are 1x1" or 250x250"


No. Only out by a factor of thousands. Try again, moron.

And here's a new question for you. How many times do you believe you
need to repeat an error before it becomes correct?



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On 6/20/2018 7:50 AM, Dear Believer wrote:
On Wed, 20 Jun 2018 04:10:45 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

Wieber continues his attempts to "prove" the existence of his mythical
60k ton per sq. in. press.

http://www.hydraulicspneumatics.com/...luidPowerAcces


Nope. That's a 40k tons press. Not 60k ton per sq. in.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOe8KYZXGeg


Nope. That's a 60k ton press. Not 60k tons per sq. in.

Try again, moron. Have you considered learning the difference between
total force and force per sq, in.? Just a thought...

I feel sorry for any teacher who ever attempted to penetrate
Wieberskull.


I'm guessing he still isn't going to get it.
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On Wednesday, June 20, 2018 at 7:14:37 PM UTC-4, Robert Feniello wrote:
On 6/20/2018 7:46 AM, Dear Believer wrote:
On Wed, 20 Jun 2018 04:05:26 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Tue, 19 Jun 2018 09:13:05 -0700, Dear Believer
wrote:

On Mon, 18 Jun 2018 21:27:53 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Fri, 08 Jun 2018 09:41:07 -0700, Mayla wrote:

Be sure to keep your distance from that 60k ton psi warehouse. They
may be trying to generate some kind of gravitational singularity. I
doubt the brakes on any of your clunkers could prevent you being
sucked in.

Which 60k ton warehouse?

You mean this 41,000 ton PSI press?

https://goo.gl/photos/hEKGca9vzDenPvwU9

No, not one.

Or this 32,000 ton PSI press?

https://goo.gl/photos/SSfbczRwjsEtCwyN7

No, not that one.

This is the one you told us about.
http://web.webermetals.com/60000-ton-press/

You wrote:
"Thats 60,000 Tons..per square inch btw"
"The total force if adjusted to max loading, is 60,000 tons per
square inch."

The maker says the platen size 10' X 20'. So that you don't need a
calculator to answer the following question, I'll tell you the platen
is about 29,000 sq inches.

I ask again, what is the total force based on your specs and the
platen size?

60,000 psi of course


No. In your new story the press is 2000 times less powerful than in
your previous one, yet still hilariously wrong. Try again, moron.


I last did physics in 1972...in French. It took me all of 30 seconds to
do a search and find exactly where this ****wit is getting it wrong.

Don't worry, I'm not going to give it away and spoil your fun...not that
it would matter, because Ed already did and the ****wit Wieber *still*
didn't catch on.


WTF were you thinking when you wrote ""Engineering"...right? I do
That..every day."
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!ms...8/W18ojvVyFwAJ


I think he gets it, and that he's doing a Trump -- repeating the lie in the expectation that some people will be confused and think that the question is at least "debatable."

He's playing into tribally induced ignorance.

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On Thu, 21 Jun 2018 07:17:48 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Wednesday, June 20, 2018 at 7:14:37 PM UTC-4, Robert Feniello wrote:
On 6/20/2018 7:46 AM, Dear Believer wrote:
On Wed, 20 Jun 2018 04:05:26 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Tue, 19 Jun 2018 09:13:05 -0700, Dear Believer
wrote:

On Mon, 18 Jun 2018 21:27:53 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Fri, 08 Jun 2018 09:41:07 -0700, Mayla wrote:

Be sure to keep your distance from that 60k ton psi warehouse. They
may be trying to generate some kind of gravitational singularity. I
doubt the brakes on any of your clunkers could prevent you being
sucked in.

Which 60k ton warehouse?

You mean this 41,000 ton PSI press?

https://goo.gl/photos/hEKGca9vzDenPvwU9

No, not one.

Or this 32,000 ton PSI press?

https://goo.gl/photos/SSfbczRwjsEtCwyN7

No, not that one.

This is the one you told us about.
http://web.webermetals.com/60000-ton-press/

You wrote:
"Thats 60,000 Tons..per square inch btw"
"The total force if adjusted to max loading, is 60,000 tons per
square inch."

The maker says the platen size 10' X 20'. So that you don't need a
calculator to answer the following question, I'll tell you the platen
is about 29,000 sq inches.

I ask again, what is the total force based on your specs and the
platen size?

60,000 psi of course

No. In your new story the press is 2000 times less powerful than in
your previous one, yet still hilariously wrong. Try again, moron.


I last did physics in 1972...in French. It took me all of 30 seconds to
do a search and find exactly where this ****wit is getting it wrong.

Don't worry, I'm not going to give it away and spoil your fun...not that
it would matter, because Ed already did and the ****wit Wieber *still*
didn't catch on.


WTF were you thinking when you wrote ""Engineering"...right? I do
That..every day."
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!ms...8/W18ojvVyFwAJ


I think he gets it,


Probably, but only in the same way he gets a spelling mistake. He has
extreme difficulty with some simple concepts, especially anything a
calculator would help him understand. Power vs energy, area vs volume,
etc. I bet he still couldn't pass a basic quiz on pressure
distribution. And I can almost guarantee that he'd be totally
flummoxed if he had to calculate the cross sectional area of a
cylinder and relate that to material strength. You know, all that
elite stuff. Apparently he flunked some employment test a while
back and blamed the test, claiming it was irrelevant.

and that he's doing a Trump -- repeating the lie in the expectation that some people will be confused and think that the question is at least "debatable."


Yup, that too. Weiber nurtures his defective reasoning ability, which
is the root of a bunch of his issues.

He's playing into tribally induced ignorance.


I'd say the ignorance made him susceptible to the extreme tribalism,
which he's proud of. He underestimates his limitations by a lot, but
he does know about them, hence the 165 IQ nonsense. Too weak to admit
to the ignorance or the self destructiveness. Easier to blame Hillary,
his landlord, etc.
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