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Rosie the riveter's lathe?
Hi Folks,
What is this machine? https://www.washingtonpost.com/local...=.bb8abd1abc2c The Washington Post article from which is comes refers to it as a turret lathe (2/3 the way down the article, and just a "lathe" elsewhere) in this obituary on "Rosie the Rivetter". But it looks more like a milling machine with a rotary table than a turret lathe. Is it a gear broach? Anybody recognize it? Dan |
Rosie the riveter's lathe?
On Mon, 19 Feb 2018 06:41:52 -0800 (PST),
wrote: Hi Folks, What is this machine? https://www.washingtonpost.com/local...=.bb8abd1abc2c The Washington Post article from which is comes refers to it as a turret lathe (2/3 the way down the article, and just a "lathe" elsewhere) in this obituary on "Rosie the Rivetter". But it looks more like a milling machine with a rotary table than a turret lathe. Is it a gear broach? Anybody recognize it? Dan I don't think it's a lathe of any kind. It looks like a special-purpose bed-type milling machine, built to handle that big rotary table. The drive shaft suggests that it's a production machine, but it looks like she's locating the setup with the handwheels -- for an operation that could have no possible relation to the powered shaft. Here's a sharper version of that photo: https://tinyurl.com/y9wycx3u I question whether the photo is of a real operation, or whether it was cooked up for the photo. The reason I say that is that there's a gear fixtured on top, and a toolholder that looks like it could be for a shaping operation. But the toolholder doesn't look like it's holding a shaping tool. And there's no way, in wartime production or any kind of production, that you would cut a gear like that with a single-point cutting tool making straight cuts. Even if you did, one of the handwheels would have a big and obvious index-pin dial on it. The whole setup is screwy. The lathe chuck on top, on top of all of that fixturing, looks like a kludge. There is no way you'd use a chuck that way for gear work. And if the suggestion is that she's indicating or gaging spelling intentional a gear tooth, there is no apparent way to accomplish the measuring. And that is no freaking measuring machine. I'd give it four Pinocchios. d8-) -- Ed Huntress |
Rosie the riveter's lathe?
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... Hi Folks, What is this machine? https://www.washingtonpost.com/local...=.bb8abd1abc2c The Washington Post article from which is comes refers to it as a turret lathe (2/3 the way down the article, and just a "lathe" elsewhere) in this obituary on "Rosie the Rivetter". But it looks more like a milling machine with a rotary table than a turret lathe. Is it a gear broach? Anybody recognize it? Dan ================= There were multiple Rosies, one a local NH woman: https://www.freep.com/story/news/loc...sing/26596263/ |
Rosie the riveter's lathe?
"Ed Huntress" wrote in message ... On Mon, 19 Feb 2018 06:41:52 -0800 (PST), wrote: Hi Folks, What is this machine? https://www.washingtonpost.com/local...=.bb8abd1abc2c The Washington Post article from which is comes refers to it as a turret lathe (2/3 the way down the article, and just a "lathe" elsewhere) in this obituary on "Rosie the Rivetter". But it looks more like a milling machine with a rotary table than a turret lathe. Is it a gear broach? Anybody recognize it? Dan I don't think it's a lathe of any kind. It looks like a special-purpose bed-type milling machine, built to handle that big rotary table. The drive shaft suggests that it's a production machine, but it looks like she's locating the setup with the handwheels -- for an operation that could have no possible relation to the powered shaft. Here's a sharper version of that photo: https://tinyurl.com/y9wycx3u I question whether the photo is of a real operation, or whether it was cooked up for the photo. The reason I say that is that there's a gear fixtured on top, and a toolholder that looks like it could be for a shaping operation. But the toolholder doesn't look like it's holding a shaping tool. And there's no way, in wartime production or any kind of production, that you would cut a gear like that with a single-point cutting tool making straight cuts. Even if you did, one of the handwheels would have a big and obvious index-pin dial on it. The whole setup is screwy. The lathe chuck on top, on top of all of that fixturing, looks like a kludge. There is no way you'd use a chuck that way for gear work. And if the suggestion is that she's indicating or gaging spelling intentional a gear tooth, there is no apparent way to accomplish the measuring. And that is no freaking measuring machine. I'd give it four Pinocchios. d8-) -- Ed Huntress |
Rosie the riveter's lathe?
"Ed Huntress" wrote in message
... On Mon, 19 Feb 2018 06:41:52 -0800 (PST), wrote: Hi Folks, What is this machine? https://www.washingtonpost.com/local...=.bb8abd1abc2c The Washington Post article from which is comes refers to it as a turret lathe (2/3 the way down the article, and just a "lathe" elsewhere) in this obituary on "Rosie the Rivetter". But it looks more like a milling machine with a rotary table than a turret lathe. Is it a gear broach? Anybody recognize it? Dan I don't think it's a lathe of any kind. It looks like a special-purpose bed-type milling machine, built to handle that big rotary table. The drive shaft suggests that it's a production machine, but it looks like she's locating the setup with the handwheels -- for an operation that could have no possible relation to the powered shaft. Here's a sharper version of that photo: https://tinyurl.com/y9wycx3u I question whether the photo is of a real operation, or whether it was cooked up for the photo. The reason I say that is that there's a gear fixtured on top, and a toolholder that looks like it could be for a shaping operation. But the toolholder doesn't look like it's holding a shaping tool. And there's no way, in wartime production or any kind of production, that you would cut a gear like that with a single-point cutting tool making straight cuts. Even if you did, one of the handwheels would have a big and obvious index-pin dial on it. The whole setup is screwy. The lathe chuck on top, on top of all of that fixturing, looks like a kludge. There is no way you'd use a chuck that way for gear work. And if the suggestion is that she's indicating or gaging spelling intentional a gear tooth, there is no apparent way to accomplish the measuring. And that is no freaking measuring machine. I'd give it four Pinocchios. d8-) -- Ed Huntress It looks to me like a lash-up to broach an oddball keyway or splines, unless somone just placed the gear atop the jaws for appearance. I suspect it was chosen for the photo to show her face next to something complex and exotic-looking that wasn't in use, covered with oily chips and spewing them toward the camera. -jsw |
Rosie the riveter's lathe?
"Jim Wilkins" wrote in message
... "Ed Huntress" wrote in message ... On Mon, 19 Feb 2018 06:41:52 -0800 (PST), wrote: Hi Folks, What is this machine? https://www.washingtonpost.com/local...=.bb8abd1abc2c The Washington Post article from which is comes refers to it as a turret lathe (2/3 the way down the article, and just a "lathe" elsewhere) in this obituary on "Rosie the Rivetter". But it looks more like a milling machine with a rotary table than a turret lathe. Is it a gear broach? Anybody recognize it? Dan I don't think it's a lathe of any kind. It looks like a special-purpose bed-type milling machine, built to handle that big rotary table. The drive shaft suggests that it's a production machine, but it looks like she's locating the setup with the handwheels -- for an operation that could have no possible relation to the powered shaft. Here's a sharper version of that photo: https://tinyurl.com/y9wycx3u I question whether the photo is of a real operation, or whether it was cooked up for the photo. The reason I say that is that there's a gear fixtured on top, and a toolholder that looks like it could be for a shaping operation. But the toolholder doesn't look like it's holding a shaping tool. And there's no way, in wartime production or any kind of production, that you would cut a gear like that with a single-point cutting tool making straight cuts. Even if you did, one of the handwheels would have a big and obvious index-pin dial on it. The whole setup is screwy. The lathe chuck on top, on top of all of that fixturing, looks like a kludge. There is no way you'd use a chuck that way for gear work. And if the suggestion is that she's indicating or gaging spelling intentional a gear tooth, there is no apparent way to accomplish the measuring. And that is no freaking measuring machine. I'd give it four Pinocchios. d8-) -- Ed Huntress It looks to me like a lash-up to broach an oddball keyway or splines, unless somone just placed the gear atop the jaws for appearance. I suspect it was chosen for the photo to show her face next to something complex and exotic-looking that wasn't in use, covered with oily chips and spewing them toward the camera. -jsw https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diagonal_method |
Rosie the riveter's lathe?
On Mon, 19 Feb 2018 11:45:52 -0500, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote: "Ed Huntress" wrote in message .. . On Mon, 19 Feb 2018 06:41:52 -0800 (PST), wrote: Hi Folks, What is this machine? https://www.washingtonpost.com/local...=.bb8abd1abc2c The Washington Post article from which is comes refers to it as a turret lathe (2/3 the way down the article, and just a "lathe" elsewhere) in this obituary on "Rosie the Rivetter". But it looks more like a milling machine with a rotary table than a turret lathe. Is it a gear broach? Anybody recognize it? Dan I don't think it's a lathe of any kind. It looks like a special-purpose bed-type milling machine, built to handle that big rotary table. The drive shaft suggests that it's a production machine, but it looks like she's locating the setup with the handwheels -- for an operation that could have no possible relation to the powered shaft. Here's a sharper version of that photo: https://tinyurl.com/y9wycx3u I question whether the photo is of a real operation, or whether it was cooked up for the photo. The reason I say that is that there's a gear fixtured on top, and a toolholder that looks like it could be for a shaping operation. But the toolholder doesn't look like it's holding a shaping tool. And there's no way, in wartime production or any kind of production, that you would cut a gear like that with a single-point cutting tool making straight cuts. Even if you did, one of the handwheels would have a big and obvious index-pin dial on it. The whole setup is screwy. The lathe chuck on top, on top of all of that fixturing, looks like a kludge. There is no way you'd use a chuck that way for gear work. And if the suggestion is that she's indicating or gaging spelling intentional a gear tooth, there is no apparent way to accomplish the measuring. And that is no freaking measuring machine. I'd give it four Pinocchios. d8-) -- Ed Huntress It looks to me like a lash-up to broach an oddball keyway or splines, unless somone just placed the gear atop the jaws for appearance. I suspect it was chosen for the photo to show her face next to something complex and exotic-looking that wasn't in use, covered with oily chips and spewing them toward the camera. -jsw First, that Tiny URL I posted above doesn't seem to work. That's the first time that's ever happened for me. Tiny URL seems to have a problem with the full URL. Here's the full one: https://www.gettyimages.com/pictures...re-id515383728 It's physically possible that it's set up to cut a keyway, but I still don't believe the setup. It's an awful kludge. And if it's intended to cut splines, how is she indexing it? Finally, if that's figured out, I hope she's not in a hurry -- it's not like there was a war going on or something. g -- Ed Huntress |
Huntress spam feud was Rosie the riveter's lathe?
On Mon, 19 Feb 2018 11:21:35 -0700, Peace in our time
wrote: On Mon, 19 Feb 2018 10:49:34 -0500, Ed Huntress spammed: alt.survival,talk.politics.misc,alt.news-media,la.general,alt.politics.clinton from an original thread in just rec.crafts.metalworking Don't forget the sunscreen when you troll the schoolyards with your pecker hanging out, Pecker. Spam your own group instead of spreading your insanity all over the web. You claim to be the grown-up; prove it. Thank you. That was just a reply to something that came from whatever group you're posting from. Did you also post this message to the poster who included your group in the list? No? And why not? Pay attention to the headers. I didn't post the spam. -- Ed Huntress |
Rosie the riveter's lathe?
On Mon, 19 Feb 2018 12:10:16 -0500
Ed Huntress wrote: First, that Tiny URL I posted above doesn't seem to work. That's the first time that's ever happened for me. Tiny URL seems to have a problem with the full URL. Here's the full one: https://www.gettyimages.com/pictures...re-id515383728 It's physically possible that it's set up to cut a keyway, but I still don't believe the setup. It's an awful kludge. And if it's intended to cut splines, how is she indexing it? Finally, if that's figured out, I hope she's not in a hurry -- it's not like there was a war going on or something. g I didn't find an exact match, but what's called a "slotting machine" seems to be close. Here are a few examples: https://www.resale.info/en/stanko-7-...l/No-123348639 https://www.worldmach.com/metal-proc...g-machine.html http://www.planomiller.co.in/elite-s...e-4047350.html https://www.gumtree.co.za/a-industri...30910191110509 They seem to be making them yet in many sizes... -- Leon Fisk Grand Rapids MI/Zone 5b |
Rosie the riveter's lathe?
On Mon, 19 Feb 2018 17:28:51 -0400, Leon Fisk
wrote: On Mon, 19 Feb 2018 12:10:16 -0500 Ed Huntress wrote: First, that Tiny URL I posted above doesn't seem to work. That's the first time that's ever happened for me. Tiny URL seems to have a problem with the full URL. Here's the full one: https://www.gettyimages.com/pictures...re-id515383728 It's physically possible that it's set up to cut a keyway, but I still don't believe the setup. It's an awful kludge. And if it's intended to cut splines, how is she indexing it? Finally, if that's figured out, I hope she's not in a hurry -- it's not like there was a war going on or something. g I didn't find an exact match, but what's called a "slotting machine" seems to be close. Here are a few examples: https://www.resale.info/en/stanko-7-...l/No-123348639 https://www.worldmach.com/metal-proc...g-machine.html http://www.planomiller.co.in/elite-s...e-4047350.html https://www.gumtree.co.za/a-industri...30910191110509 They seem to be making them yet in many sizes... Yup. That's it. It's a kind of vertical shaper. The setup, though, is still a kludge. g -- Ed Huntress |
Rosie the riveter's lathe?
"Leon Fisk" wrote in message
... On Mon, 19 Feb 2018 12:10:16 -0500 Ed Huntress wrote: First, that Tiny URL I posted above doesn't seem to work. That's the first time that's ever happened for me. Tiny URL seems to have a problem with the full URL. Here's the full one: https://www.gettyimages.com/pictures...re-id515383728 It's physically possible that it's set up to cut a keyway, but I still don't believe the setup. It's an awful kludge. And if it's intended to cut splines, how is she indexing it? Finally, if that's figured out, I hope she's not in a hurry -- it's not like there was a war going on or something. g I didn't find an exact match, but what's called a "slotting machine" seems to be close. Here are a few examples: https://www.resale.info/en/stanko-7-...l/No-123348639 https://www.worldmach.com/metal-proc...g-machine.html http://www.planomiller.co.in/elite-s...e-4047350.html https://www.gumtree.co.za/a-industri...30910191110509 They seem to be making them yet in many sizes... -- Leon Fisk Grand Rapids MI/Zone 5b I thought so too, but searching for images of slotters quickly consumed my meager daily ration of 3G wireless 'broadband' and dialup is impractical for pictures. The clapper box looks like a shaper's. The knee appears to rest on the floor, though. I have to agree that the photo doesn't quite make sense from the available information. -jsw |
Rosie the riveter's lathe?
On 2/19/2018 4:31 PM, Ed Huntress wrote:
On Mon, 19 Feb 2018 14:17:46 -0600, Terry Coombs wrote: On 2/19/2018 11:34 AM, rbowman wrote: Ed, thanks so much for cross-posting your **** to alt.survival. From the subject, I'd guess it started in r.c.m. Â* It did , and the only two posts that I see of Ed's over here are only to RCM . I'm betting that someone else added all the other groups ... someone called "Red" ... I don't think you read RCM , so I have trimmed all the others and am cross posting only to alt.survival . Just looked , the only post from Ed in this thread has had RCM trimmed - and is a response to that Red asshole . Thanks Terry. To be fair to Robert (and something you two wouldn't know unless you were reading both NGs), it was Red Prepper who piled on the list of NGs and interjected slurs into the RCM thread, and I replied to him by stripping out RCM and replacing it with alt.survival. It's not the kind of thing Iwould ordinarily do, but Red (aka "Red Pecker") is trying to bugger up RCM in an attempt to get you guys to killfile me. I just tossed my reply back to him in A.S. He is a really vicious lowlife who lives on homoerotic slurs and slander, and he'll walk all over you if you let him. You''ll miss 95% of this crap if you killfile him or ignore him. Â* I already have him in the bozobin , if you'd quit responding to him I'd never see another of his posts ... Really Ed , why do you continue to respond ? You gain nothing and he's getting what he's after - a response . The fun for these pricks goes away when they don't get any attention . Then they go somewhere else and leave us alone . -- Snag Ain't no dollar sign on peace of mind - Zac Brown |
Rosie the riveter's lathe?
"Leon Fisk" wrote in message
... How do you pronounce the designation of a wide flange beam, such as a W6x12? I learned from texts and never heard it spoken. -jsw |
Rosie the riveter's lathe?
On Mon, 19 Feb 2018 06:41:52 -0800 (PST),
wrote: Hi Folks, What is this machine? https://www.washingtonpost.com/local...=.bb8abd1abc2c The Washington Post article from which is comes refers to it as a turret lathe (2/3 the way down the article, and just a "lathe" elsewhere) in this obituary on "Rosie the Rivetter". But it looks more like a milling machine with a rotary table than a turret lathe. Is it a gear broach? Whoooeee! That's a right nice lookin' machinist. Hubba hubba. Naomi, if you were Rosie's inspiration, ya done good, girl. RIP Anybody recognize it? It looks more like a vertical shaper to me, set up for gear ID slotting. (not that I'd know anything about either, yet. ;) There were vertical turret lathes: https://is.gd/dIctwu And there were vertical shapers: https://is.gd/mYNUkg Which look pretty similar at a glance. -- However beautiful the strategy, you should occasionally look at the results. -- Sir Winston Churchill |
Rosie the riveter's lathe?
"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
... On Mon, 19 Feb 2018 06:41:52 -0800 (PST), wrote: Hi Folks, What is this machine? https://www.washingtonpost.com/local...=.bb8abd1abc2c The Washington Post article from which is comes refers to it as a turret lathe (2/3 the way down the article, and just a "lathe" elsewhere) in this obituary on "Rosie the Rivetter". But it looks more like a milling machine with a rotary table than a turret lathe. Is it a gear broach? Whoooeee! That's a right nice lookin' machinist. Hubba hubba. Naomi, if you were Rosie's inspiration, ya done good, girl. RIP Anybody recognize it? It looks more like a vertical shaper to me, set up for gear ID slotting. (not that I'd know anything about either, yet. ;) There were vertical turret lathes: https://is.gd/dIctwu And there were vertical shapers: https://is.gd/mYNUkg Which look pretty similar at a glance. I bought a transmission-end motorcycle chain drive sprocket for my sawmill and then discovered it has a 13-spline center hole, that I couldn't index to groove the shaft. The final milling setup using a 52-tooth Sears AA lathe change gear was about that kludgy. -jsw |
Rosie the riveter's lathe?
On Mon, 19 Feb 2018 18:04:51 -0600, Terry Coombs
wrote: * I already have him in the bozobin , if you'd quit responding to him I'd never see another of his posts ... Really Ed , why do you continue to respond ? You gain nothing and he's getting what he's after - a response . The fun for these pricks goes away when they don't get any attention . Then they go somewhere else and leave us alone . I'm not going g away.Im moving in and getting the band back together. Ed his chance, we've been more than patient with the **** in a dress. |
Huntress spam feud was Rosie the riveter's lathe?
On Mon, 19 Feb 2018 11:21:35 -0700, Peace in our time
wrote: On Mon, 19 Feb 2018 10:49:34 -0500, Ed Huntress spammed: alt.survival,talk.politics.misc,alt.news-media,la.general,alt.politics. clinton from an original thread in just rec.crafts.metalworking Don't forget the sunscreen when you troll the schoolyards with your pecker hanging out, Pecker. Spam your own group instead of spreading your insanity all over the web. You claim to be the grown-up; prove it. Thank you. He can't. He's a **** in a dress. |
Huntress spam feud was Rosie the riveter's lathe?
On 2/19/18 12:28 PM, Ed Huntress wrote:
On Mon, 19 Feb 2018 11:21:35 -0700, Peace in our time wrote: On Mon, 19 Feb 2018 10:49:34 -0500, Ed Huntress spammed: alt.survival,talk.politics.misc,alt.news-media,la.general,alt.politics.clinton from an original thread in just rec.crafts.metalworking Don't forget the sunscreen when you troll the schoolyards with your pecker hanging out, Pecker. Spam your own group instead of spreading your insanity all over the web. You claim to be the grown-up; prove it. Thank you. That was just a reply to something that came from whatever group you're posting from. Did you also post this message to the poster who included your group in the list? No? And why not? Pay attention to the headers. I didn't post the spam. -- Ed Huntress Hey you stupid **** dress. Why don't you just go stay at alt.survival with your pecker boyfriend? His big red pecker seems to satisfy your needs, what do you keep running back here for? Why don't you stop acting like a petulant child with your drive by insults and just ask that pecker fellow to ram it up your ass really good, till you scream for your daddy to come save you? He seems willing, and we won't miss you. Go now **** in red dress, hurry. Dont look back. We'll send for you if we need you. |
Rosie the riveter's lathe?
My opinion is that it is a slotter and the machine is set up for
making a gear. as there ar no chips around, it does not depict a production situation, maybe a photo op of a nice looking female next to a slotter. i On 2018-02-19, Ed Huntress wrote: On Mon, 19 Feb 2018 06:41:52 -0800 (PST), wrote: Hi Folks, What is this machine? https://www.washingtonpost.com/local...=.bb8abd1abc2c The Washington Post article from which is comes refers to it as a turret lathe (2/3 the way down the article, and just a "lathe" elsewhere) in this obituary on "Rosie the Rivetter". But it looks more like a milling machine with a rotary table than a turret lathe. Is it a gear broach? Anybody recognize it? Dan I don't think it's a lathe of any kind. It looks like a special-purpose bed-type milling machine, built to handle that big rotary table. The drive shaft suggests that it's a production machine, but it looks like she's locating the setup with the handwheels -- for an operation that could have no possible relation to the powered shaft. Here's a sharper version of that photo: https://tinyurl.com/y9wycx3u I question whether the photo is of a real operation, or whether it was cooked up for the photo. The reason I say that is that there's a gear fixtured on top, and a toolholder that looks like it could be for a shaping operation. But the toolholder doesn't look like it's holding a shaping tool. And there's no way, in wartime production or any kind of production, that you would cut a gear like that with a single-point cutting tool making straight cuts. Even if you did, one of the handwheels would have a big and obvious index-pin dial on it. The whole setup is screwy. The lathe chuck on top, on top of all of that fixturing, looks like a kludge. There is no way you'd use a chuck that way for gear work. And if the suggestion is that she's indicating or gaging spelling intentional a gear tooth, there is no apparent way to accomplish the measuring. And that is no freaking measuring machine. I'd give it four Pinocchios. d8-) |
Rosie the riveter's lathe?
On 2018-02-20, Ignoramus19723 wrote:
My opinion is that it is a slotter and the machine is set up for making a gear. as there ar no chips around, it does not depict a production situation, maybe a photo op of a nice looking female next to a slotter. and here it is, a Pratt and Whitney vertical slotter that looks very similar to Rosie's machine. https://www.surplusrecord.com/cgi-bin/adpop.pl?005901 Look at picture No. 3: https://www.surplusrecord.com/listphotos/005901b.jpg i i On 2018-02-19, Ed Huntress wrote: On Mon, 19 Feb 2018 06:41:52 -0800 (PST), wrote: Hi Folks, What is this machine? https://www.washingtonpost.com/local...=.bb8abd1abc2c The Washington Post article from which is comes refers to it as a turret lathe (2/3 the way down the article, and just a "lathe" elsewhere) in this obituary on "Rosie the Rivetter". But it looks more like a milling machine with a rotary table than a turret lathe. Is it a gear broach? Anybody recognize it? Dan I don't think it's a lathe of any kind. It looks like a special-purpose bed-type milling machine, built to handle that big rotary table. The drive shaft suggests that it's a production machine, but it looks like she's locating the setup with the handwheels -- for an operation that could have no possible relation to the powered shaft. Here's a sharper version of that photo: https://tinyurl.com/y9wycx3u I question whether the photo is of a real operation, or whether it was cooked up for the photo. The reason I say that is that there's a gear fixtured on top, and a toolholder that looks like it could be for a shaping operation. But the toolholder doesn't look like it's holding a shaping tool. And there's no way, in wartime production or any kind of production, that you would cut a gear like that with a single-point cutting tool making straight cuts. Even if you did, one of the handwheels would have a big and obvious index-pin dial on it. The whole setup is screwy. The lathe chuck on top, on top of all of that fixturing, looks like a kludge. There is no way you'd use a chuck that way for gear work. And if the suggestion is that she's indicating or gaging spelling intentional a gear tooth, there is no apparent way to accomplish the measuring. And that is no freaking measuring machine. I'd give it four Pinocchios. d8-) |
Rosie the riveter's lathe?
On Mon, 19 Feb 2018 22:24:51 -0600
Ignoramus19723 wrote: On 2018-02-20, Ignoramus19723 wrote: My opinion is that it is a slotter and the machine is set up for making a gear. as there ar no chips around, it does not depict a production situation, maybe a photo op of a nice looking female next to a slotter. and here it is, a Pratt and Whitney vertical slotter that looks very similar to Rosie's machine. https://www.surplusrecord.com/cgi-bin/adpop.pl?005901 Look at picture No. 3: https://www.surplusrecord.com/listphotos/005901b.jpg Yeah, that picture sure looks right. There are two different machines in that set of pictures. About half the images are the model that look like Rosie's and the others don't... -- Leon Fisk Grand Rapids MI/Zone 5b |
Rosie the riveter's lathe?
On Mon, 19 Feb 2018 19:07:56 -0500
"Jim Wilkins" wrote: "Leon Fisk" wrote in message ... How do you pronounce the designation of a wide flange beam, such as a W6x12? I learned from texts and never heard it spoken. -jsw I'm no help with that one. I only know it from texts too. Metal working stuff is my hobby line. I was an electricians apprentice for several years while studying radio electronics. Worked as a two-way radio, printer and terminal tech for most of my career. We probably know a lot of the same jargon in those areas :) -- Leon Fisk Grand Rapids MI/Zone 5b |
Rosie the riveter's lathe?
On Mon, 19 Feb 2018 22:24:51 -0600, Ignoramus19723
wrote: On 2018-02-20, Ignoramus19723 wrote: My opinion is that it is a slotter and the machine is set up for making a gear. as there ar no chips around, it does not depict a production situation, maybe a photo op of a nice looking female next to a slotter. and here it is, a Pratt and Whitney vertical slotter that looks very similar to Rosie's machine. https://www.surplusrecord.com/cgi-bin/adpop.pl?005901 Look at picture No. 3: https://www.surplusrecord.com/listphotos/005901b.jpg Images 3, 5, and 7 are for a different machine than the rest. These show 3 controls on the front while all the rest have only one. I think you nailed it, though. Is "slotter" one brand's name for "shaper"? BTW, when did you start top-posting? I noticed it yesterday. -- However beautiful the strategy, you should occasionally look at the results. -- Sir Winston Churchill |
Rosie the riveter's lathe?
On Tue, 20 Feb 2018 05:50:35 -0800
Larry Jaques wrote: snip Is "slotter" one brand's name for "shaper"? They're a bit more different than that: https://me-mechanicalengineering.com/slotting-machine/ -- Leon Fisk Grand Rapids MI/Zone 5b |
Rosie the riveter's lathe?
On Mon, 19 Feb 2018 22:24:51 -0600, Ignoramus19723
wrote: On 2018-02-20, Ignoramus19723 wrote: My opinion is that it is a slotter and the machine is set up for making a gear. as there ar no chips around, it does not depict a production situation, maybe a photo op of a nice looking female next to a slotter. and here it is, a Pratt and Whitney vertical slotter that looks very similar to Rosie's machine. https://www.surplusrecord.com/cgi-bin/adpop.pl?005901 Look at picture No. 3: https://www.surplusrecord.com/listphotos/005901b.jpg That's it, all right. Now, what was Rosie doing with the handwheels? She's not indexing it; she isn't even looking at the indexing handwheel. Is she eyeballing the rotary indexing and the X-Y positioning? Unlikely, unless the bore of the gear has been marked out on a surface plate and she's setting it up to cut to the mark. But if she's doing that, how does she know that she's set up perpendicular to the centerline? Once again, it looks like a photo op. -- Ed Huntress i i On 2018-02-19, Ed Huntress wrote: On Mon, 19 Feb 2018 06:41:52 -0800 (PST), wrote: Hi Folks, What is this machine? https://www.washingtonpost.com/local...=.bb8abd1abc2c The Washington Post article from which is comes refers to it as a turret lathe (2/3 the way down the article, and just a "lathe" elsewhere) in this obituary on "Rosie the Rivetter". But it looks more like a milling machine with a rotary table than a turret lathe. Is it a gear broach? Anybody recognize it? Dan I don't think it's a lathe of any kind. It looks like a special-purpose bed-type milling machine, built to handle that big rotary table. The drive shaft suggests that it's a production machine, but it looks like she's locating the setup with the handwheels -- for an operation that could have no possible relation to the powered shaft. Here's a sharper version of that photo: https://tinyurl.com/y9wycx3u I question whether the photo is of a real operation, or whether it was cooked up for the photo. The reason I say that is that there's a gear fixtured on top, and a toolholder that looks like it could be for a shaping operation. But the toolholder doesn't look like it's holding a shaping tool. And there's no way, in wartime production or any kind of production, that you would cut a gear like that with a single-point cutting tool making straight cuts. Even if you did, one of the handwheels would have a big and obvious index-pin dial on it. The whole setup is screwy. The lathe chuck on top, on top of all of that fixturing, looks like a kludge. There is no way you'd use a chuck that way for gear work. And if the suggestion is that she's indicating or gaging spelling intentional a gear tooth, there is no apparent way to accomplish the measuring. And that is no freaking measuring machine. I'd give it four Pinocchios. d8-) |
Rosie the riveter's lathe?
"Ignoramus19723" wrote in
message ... On 2018-02-20, Ignoramus19723 wrote: My opinion is that it is a slotter and the machine is set up for making a gear. as there ar no chips around, it does not depict a production situation, maybe a photo op of a nice looking female next to a slotter. and here it is, a Pratt and Whitney vertical slotter that looks very similar to Rosie's machine. https://www.surplusrecord.com/cgi-bin/adpop.pl?005901 Look at picture No. 3: https://www.surplusrecord.com/listphotos/005901b.jpg Congratulations for finding it. The only real difference I see is that on hers the indexer is bolted on instead of integral. The fittings I took to be clapper box hinges are apparently setscrews that rotationally position the tool holder. -jsw |
Rosie the riveter's lathe?
"Ed Huntress" wrote in message
... On Mon, 19 Feb 2018 22:24:51 -0600, Ignoramus19723 wrote: On 2018-02-20, Ignoramus19723 wrote: My opinion is that it is a slotter and the machine is set up for making a gear. as there ar no chips around, it does not depict a production situation, maybe a photo op of a nice looking female next to a slotter. and here it is, a Pratt and Whitney vertical slotter that looks very similar to Rosie's machine. https://www.surplusrecord.com/cgi-bin/adpop.pl?005901 Look at picture No. 3: https://www.surplusrecord.com/listphotos/005901b.jpg That's it, all right. Now, what was Rosie doing with the handwheels? She's not indexing it; she isn't even looking at the indexing handwheel. Is she eyeballing the rotary indexing and the X-Y positioning? Unlikely, unless the bore of the gear has been marked out on a surface plate and she's setting it up to cut to the mark. But if she's doing that, how does she know that she's set up perpendicular to the centerline? Once again, it looks like a photo op. -- Ed Huntress Of course it's a photo op(portunity), there aren't any chips and she isn't wearing safety glasses. Her hands are on two handles to support herself leaning forward. Why would you expect 'cinema verite' in a busy factory? The P&W slotter may have been the only machine available that allowed the bulky tripod-mounted view camera to catch the operator's face while they pretend to work. I've done enough industrial photography to know how difficult that can be. I suspect there were many bracketing shots to obtain a proper exposure of her skin without excessive glare off the bare metal. There is contrast and texture fairly deep into the shadows without much overexposure of the highlights. -jsw |
Rosie the riveter's lathe?
On Tue, 20 Feb 2018 11:20:32 -0500, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote: "Ed Huntress" wrote in message .. . On Mon, 19 Feb 2018 22:24:51 -0600, Ignoramus19723 wrote: On 2018-02-20, Ignoramus19723 wrote: My opinion is that it is a slotter and the machine is set up for making a gear. as there ar no chips around, it does not depict a production situation, maybe a photo op of a nice looking female next to a slotter. and here it is, a Pratt and Whitney vertical slotter that looks very similar to Rosie's machine. https://www.surplusrecord.com/cgi-bin/adpop.pl?005901 Look at picture No. 3: https://www.surplusrecord.com/listphotos/005901b.jpg That's it, all right. Now, what was Rosie doing with the handwheels? She's not indexing it; she isn't even looking at the indexing handwheel. Is she eyeballing the rotary indexing and the X-Y positioning? Unlikely, unless the bore of the gear has been marked out on a surface plate and she's setting it up to cut to the mark. But if she's doing that, how does she know that she's set up perpendicular to the centerline? Once again, it looks like a photo op. -- Ed Huntress Of course it's a photo op(portunity), there aren't any chips and she isn't wearing safety glasses. Her hands are on two handles to support herself leaning forward. Why would you expect 'cinema verite' in a busy factory? Well, not to argue, but to add some clarification: If she's setting up a keyway-cutting job, you won't see any chips. And if she's adjusting X-Y position to cut from or to a scribed line, her hands would be on two handwheels. That still doesn't explain what's going on, even if it's correct. There are other things that don't look right. As for the photos, having taken photos of machine operations for 40 years, including for over 500 articles and dozens of magazine covers, I'm just used to making sure it's real. Of course my readers, who were real industry people, would know the difference and would raise hell if I faked it. g I assume the photo was shot as part of a general war-promotion story, and photo composition probably was more important that photo veracity. The P&W slotter may have been the only machine available that allowed the bulky tripod-mounted view camera to catch the operator's face while they pretend to work. I've done enough industrial photography to know how difficult that can be. Right. I suspect there were many bracketing shots to obtain a proper exposure of her skin without excessive glare off the bare metal. There is contrast and texture fairly deep into the shadows without much overexposure of the highlights. -jsw Yes, it's nicely lighted. -- Ed Huntress |
Rosie the riveter's lathe?
"Ed Huntress" wrote in message
... On Tue, 20 Feb 2018 11:20:32 -0500, "Jim Wilkins" wrote: "Ed Huntress" wrote in message . .. On Mon, 19 Feb 2018 22:24:51 -0600, Ignoramus19723 wrote: On 2018-02-20, Ignoramus19723 wrote: My opinion is that it is a slotter and the machine is set up for making a gear. as there ar no chips around, it does not depict a production situation, maybe a photo op of a nice looking female next to a slotter. and here it is, a Pratt and Whitney vertical slotter that looks very similar to Rosie's machine. https://www.surplusrecord.com/cgi-bin/adpop.pl?005901 Look at picture No. 3: https://www.surplusrecord.com/listphotos/005901b.jpg That's it, all right. Now, what was Rosie doing with the handwheels? She's not indexing it; she isn't even looking at the indexing handwheel. Is she eyeballing the rotary indexing and the X-Y positioning? Unlikely, unless the bore of the gear has been marked out on a surface plate and she's setting it up to cut to the mark. But if she's doing that, how does she know that she's set up perpendicular to the centerline? Once again, it looks like a photo op. -- Ed Huntress Of course it's a photo op(portunity), there aren't any chips and she isn't wearing safety glasses. Her hands are on two handles to support herself leaning forward. Why would you expect 'cinema verite' in a busy factory? Well, not to argue, but to add some clarification: If she's setting up a keyway-cutting job, you won't see any chips. And if she's adjusting X-Y position to cut from or to a scribed line, her hands would be on two handwheels. That still doesn't explain what's going on, even if it's correct. There are other things that don't look right. As for the photos, having taken photos of machine operations for 40 years, including for over 500 articles and dozens of magazine covers, I'm just used to making sure it's real. Of course my readers, who were real industry people, would know the difference and would raise hell if I faked it. g I assume the photo was shot as part of a general war-promotion story, and photo composition probably was more important that photo veracity. My reaction was that they borrowed the boss' pretty secretary for the photo shoot. I don't expect models to know -anything- beyond how to pose. -jsw |
Rosie the riveter's lathe?
On Tue, 20 Feb 2018 12:37:38 -0500
"Jim Wilkins" wrote: "Ed Huntress" wrote in message .. . On Tue, 20 Feb 2018 11:20:32 -0500, "Jim Wilkins" wrote: [...] [...] [...] [...] [...] [...] [...] Well, not to argue, but to add some clarification: If she's setting up a keyway-cutting job, you won't see any chips. And if she's adjusting X-Y position to cut from or to a scribed line, her hands would be on two handwheels. That still doesn't explain what's going on, even if it's correct. There are other things that don't look right. As for the photos, having taken photos of machine operations for 40 years, including for over 500 articles and dozens of magazine covers, I'm just used to making sure it's real. Of course my readers, who were real industry people, would know the difference and would raise hell if I faked it. g I assume the photo was shot as part of a general war-promotion story, and photo composition probably was more important that photo veracity. My reaction was that they borrowed the boss' pretty secretary for the photo shoot. I don't expect models to know -anything- beyond how to pose. What struck me as out-of-place were her shoes. Seem fancy for that kind of work. No sparks in the grinder image. Look at the coworkers shoes in same. The toe on their left shoe looks well scuffed up... -- Leon Fisk Grand Rapids MI/Zone 5b |
Rosie the riveter's lathe?
"Ed Huntress" wrote in message
... On Tue, 20 Feb 2018 11:20:32 -0500, "Jim Wilkins" wrote: .. As for the photos, having taken photos of machine operations for 40 years, including for over 500 articles and dozens of magazine covers, I'm just used to making sure it's real. Of course my readers, who were real industry people, would know the difference and would raise hell if I faked it. g I had to either illustrate the manual, no pretty faces needed or wanted, or impress the money people who wouldn't notice if the "chips" were sawdust. |
Rosie the riveter's lathe?
On 2018-02-20, Leon Fisk wrote:
On Mon, 19 Feb 2018 22:24:51 -0600 Ignoramus19723 wrote: On 2018-02-20, Ignoramus19723 wrote: My opinion is that it is a slotter and the machine is set up for making a gear. as there ar no chips around, it does not depict a production situation, maybe a photo op of a nice looking female next to a slotter. and here it is, a Pratt and Whitney vertical slotter that looks very similar to Rosie's machine. https://www.surplusrecord.com/cgi-bin/adpop.pl?005901 Look at picture No. 3: https://www.surplusrecord.com/listphotos/005901b.jpg Yeah, that picture sure looks right. There are two different machines in that set of pictures. About half the images are the model that look like Rosie's and the others don't... Yes. Even the above jpeg is not the exact machine that rosie worked with as I found some slight differences/. |
Rosie the riveter's lathe?
On 2018-02-20, Leon Fisk wrote:
On Tue, 20 Feb 2018 12:37:38 -0500 "Jim Wilkins" wrote: "Ed Huntress" wrote in message . .. On Tue, 20 Feb 2018 11:20:32 -0500, "Jim Wilkins" wrote: [...] [...] [...] [...] [...] [...] [...] Well, not to argue, but to add some clarification: If she's setting up a keyway-cutting job, you won't see any chips. And if she's adjusting X-Y position to cut from or to a scribed line, her hands would be on two handwheels. That still doesn't explain what's going on, even if it's correct. There are other things that don't look right. As for the photos, having taken photos of machine operations for 40 years, including for over 500 articles and dozens of magazine covers, I'm just used to making sure it's real. Of course my readers, who were real industry people, would know the difference and would raise hell if I faked it. g I assume the photo was shot as part of a general war-promotion story, and photo composition probably was more important that photo veracity. My reaction was that they borrowed the boss' pretty secretary for the photo shoot. I don't expect models to know -anything- beyond how to pose. What struck me as out-of-place were her shoes. Seem fancy for that kind of work. No sparks in the grinder image. Look at the coworkers shoes in same. The toe on their left shoe looks well scuffed up... It is hard to tell, but it seems she has long fingernails. |
Rosie the riveter's lathe?
On 2018-02-20, Larry Jaques wrote:
On Mon, 19 Feb 2018 22:24:51 -0600, Ignoramus19723 wrote: On 2018-02-20, Ignoramus19723 wrote: My opinion is that it is a slotter and the machine is set up for making a gear. as there ar no chips around, it does not depict a production situation, maybe a photo op of a nice looking female next to a slotter. and here it is, a Pratt and Whitney vertical slotter that looks very similar to Rosie's machine. https://www.surplusrecord.com/cgi-bin/adpop.pl?005901 Look at picture No. 3: https://www.surplusrecord.com/listphotos/005901b.jpg Images 3, 5, and 7 are for a different machine than the rest. These show 3 controls on the front while all the rest have only one. I think you nailed it, though. It was a mix of unrelated pictures, it seems, only this picture is the correct one: https://www.surplusrecord.com/listphotos/005901b.jpg h Is "slotter" one brand's name for "shaper"? not sure BTW, when did you start top-posting? I noticed it yesterday. I often do it |
Rosie the riveter's lathe?
On Tue, 20 Feb 2018 21:41:35 -0600, Ignoramus19723
wrote: On 2018-02-20, Leon Fisk wrote: On Tue, 20 Feb 2018 12:37:38 -0500 "Jim Wilkins" wrote: "Ed Huntress" wrote in message ... On Tue, 20 Feb 2018 11:20:32 -0500, "Jim Wilkins" wrote: [...] [...] [...] [...] [...] [...] [...] Well, not to argue, but to add some clarification: If she's setting up a keyway-cutting job, you won't see any chips. And if she's adjusting X-Y position to cut from or to a scribed line, her hands would be on two handwheels. That still doesn't explain what's going on, even if it's correct. There are other things that don't look right. As for the photos, having taken photos of machine operations for 40 years, including for over 500 articles and dozens of magazine covers, I'm just used to making sure it's real. Of course my readers, who were real industry people, would know the difference and would raise hell if I faked it. g I assume the photo was shot as part of a general war-promotion story, and photo composition probably was more important that photo veracity. My reaction was that they borrowed the boss' pretty secretary for the photo shoot. I don't expect models to know -anything- beyond how to pose. What struck me as out-of-place were her shoes. Seem fancy for that kind of work. No sparks in the grinder image. Look at the coworkers shoes in same. The toe on their left shoe looks well scuffed up... It is hard to tell, but it seems she has long fingernails. Rosie the Riveter was part of a government program to encourage women to work in industry to replace the men who were in the army. The most commonly known version of Rosie is probably the 29 May 1943 Saturday Evening Post front page, painted by Norman Rockwell showing a woman with a rivet gun sitting in front of the U.S. Flag background. http://www.saturdayeveningpost.com/2...e-riveter.html -- Cheers, John B. |
Rosie the riveter's lathe?
On Tue, 20 Feb 2018 21:41:35 -0600
Ignoramus19723 wrote: snip It is hard to tell, but it seems she has long fingernails. That wouldn't necessarily be a problem. I've had long fingernails my whole life. I use them as tools. They make great scrapers for removing gunk and are essential for the fine manipulation of small parts. I don't break them all that often. Usually when they break it has nothing to do with abusing them while working. However roofing, especially laying shingles will abrade them down to nothing. They were sorely missed after my re-roofing job... -- Leon Fisk Grand Rapids MI/Zone 5b |
Rosie the riveter's lathe?
On Tue, 20 Feb 2018 09:58:44 -0500, Ed Huntress
wrote: On Mon, 19 Feb 2018 22:24:51 -0600, Ignoramus19723 wrote: On 2018-02-20, Ignoramus19723 wrote: My opinion is that it is a slotter and the machine is set up for making a gear. as there ar no chips around, it does not depict a production situation, maybe a photo op of a nice looking female next to a slotter. and here it is, a Pratt and Whitney vertical slotter that looks very similar to Rosie's machine. https://www.surplusrecord.com/cgi-bin/adpop.pl?005901 Look at picture No. 3: https://www.surplusrecord.com/listphotos/005901b.jpg That's it, all right. Now, what was Rosie doing with the handwheels? She's not indexing it; she isn't even looking at the indexing handwheel. Is she eyeballing the rotary indexing and the X-Y positioning? Unlikely, unless the bore of the gear has been marked out on a surface plate and she's setting it up to cut to the mark. But if she's doing that, how does she know that she's set up perpendicular to the centerline? Once again, it looks like a photo op. Of course it's a photo op. Look at her shoes. Not really appropriate for a machine shop. Eric |
Rosie the riveter's lathe?
On Mon, 19 Feb 2018 06:41:52 -0800 (PST),
wrote: Hi Folks, What is this machine? https://www.washingtonpost.com/local...=.bb8abd1abc2c The Washington Post article from which is comes refers to it as a turret lathe (2/3 the way down the article, and just a "lathe" elsewhere) in this obituary on "Rosie the Rivetter". But it looks more like a milling machine with a rotary table than a turret lathe. Is it a gear broach? Anybody recognize it? Dan Its neither..its a slotter Like this one: http://www.eifcomachinetools.com/slotting_machine.htm --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus |
Rosie the riveter's lathe?
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