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Pedestal Mounted Vise
I've thought about this before, but it comes to mind every time one of my two bench mounted vises is in the way, or I wish I had more room to use one of them.
Do any of you guys use a vise on a pedestal? For my uses I would NOT want to bolt it down in one place so I'd have to make it pretty heavy. A few hundred pounds doesn't bother me to much. My concrete filled pickup wheel pedestal for my bench grinders has been working out quite nicely, but it might be a bit light for a vise. I am also NOT thinking about a post vise, but rather a bench vise bolted to a platform on a pedestal. Yes, I am thinking about the vise on a hitch mount with a tube under the work bench too. It would work ok on my butcher block work bench, but on the steel top bench the C-channel supporting the top would make it problematic. Waaaadaaaayaaathink? |
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On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 15:13:09 -0800 (PST), Bob La Londe
wrote: I've thought about this before, but it comes to mind every time one of my two bench mounted vises is in the way, or I wish I had more room to use one of them. Do any of you guys use a vise on a pedestal? For my uses I would NOT want to bolt it down in one place so I'd have to make it pretty heavy. A few hundred pounds doesn't bother me to much. My concrete filled pickup wheel pedestal for my bench grinders has been working out quite nicely, but it might be a bit light for a vise. I am also NOT thinking about a post vise, but rather a bench vise bolted to a platform on a pedestal. Yes, I am thinking about the vise on a hitch mount with a tube under the work bench too. It would work ok on my butcher block work bench, but on the steel top bench the C-channel supporting the top would make it problematic. Waaaadaaaayaaathink? https://www.pinterest.com/galen0685/...tands/?lp=true https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/...d.php?t=349414 https://www.google.com/search?q=home...EILDAB#imgrc=_ It really depends on what you are going to do with the vise. If you need it to simply hold stuff...it doesnt take much. If you are going to be breaking fittings on pipe...if not done properly..it Will fall over fairly easily. One of my clients has a NICE Starrett 8" vice on a small 4 legged stand..very much like a grinder stand..and it works quite well for "normal" stuff. I was quite surprised that it didnt move or tip over as I was using it. All of my vises are mounted on benches or on posts...shrug..but my floors are dirt and are not level in the slightest...so I cant use a free standing vise. The hitch mount idea is cool..but remember..you are now applying much leverage to the mounting receptical on the bench..and you could perhaps easily move it/turn it over. So be sure you make it big enough and suitable for the job. Gunner, with 19 vises...some of which are restored..others waiting for time and interest. https://goo.gl/photos/aMuWRfzyFJuc2YsT6 --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus |
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"Bob La Londe" wrote in message
... I've thought about this before, but it comes to mind every time one of my two bench mounted vises is in the way, or I wish I had more room to use one of them. Do any of you guys use a vise on a pedestal? For my uses I would NOT want to bolt it down in one place so I'd have to make it pretty heavy. A few hundred pounds doesn't bother me to much. My concrete filled pickup wheel pedestal for my bench grinders has been working out quite nicely, but it might be a bit light for a vise. I am also NOT thinking about a post vise, but rather a bench vise bolted to a platform on a pedestal. Yes, I am thinking about the vise on a hitch mount with a tube under the work bench too. It would work ok on my butcher block work bench, but on the steel top bench the C-channel supporting the top would make it problematic. Waaaadaaaayaaathink? ======================== I'd look into the suitability of a pipe vise tripod stand. Threading and unscrewing pipe are the most demanding jobs I use my bench vise for. -jsw |
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Jim, My dad has a chain style pipe vise on a tripod (sorta) and its actually quite light. I can pick it up and set it in pickup bed quite easily. The third leg is on the end of a 6 foot back with a V on top and the third leg on the bottom. I think its made out of 2" conduit. Its probably close to 40 years old.
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On Sunday, November 26, 2017 at 6:13:11 PM UTC-5, Bob La Londe wrote:
Do any of you guys use a vise on a pedestal? I am also NOT thinking about a post vise, but rather a bench vise bolted to a platform on a pedestal. Waaaadaaaayaaathink? I have two vises in the basement. One is bench mounted and it is the one I use most of the time. The other vise is bolted to a pedestal and the pedestal can be bolted to the floor. But most of the time the pedestal is not bolted to the floor. I also have a HF bender that can be mounted to the same inserts in the basement floor as well as a few other things such as a pipe vise. Well actually the pipe vise mounts to the same pedestal as the vise mounts to. Dan |
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"Bob La Londe" wrote in message
... Jim, My dad has a chain style pipe vise on a tripod (sorta) and its actually quite light. I can pick it up and set it in pickup bed quite easily. The third leg is on the end of a 6 foot back with a V on top and the third leg on the bottom. I think its made out of 2" conduit. Its probably close to 40 years old. ============== I did my industrial pipe fitting by brazing so I haven't personally used a tripod-mounted pipe vise. It looks like you can stand on the bent-out foot of the near side leg and apply all your strength to turn a threading die handle. I temporarily clamped a chain vise to my 400 Lb utility trailer to thread 2" pipe and nearly flipped the trailer. A hitch-mounted vise on my pickup was less handy than I expected because the tail lights are too vulnerable to accidents. When I need to clamp something large outdoors I attach a blacksmith leg vise to a corner of a rollaround or welding table. I've never built anything that needed a completely free-standing vise; usually I'd rather have it next to a flat surface that supports the work while I'm tightening the jaw. -jsw |
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On 2017-11-27, Jim Wilkins wrote:
"Bob La Londe" wrote in message ... I've thought about this before, but it comes to mind every time one of my two bench mounted vises is in the way, or I wish I had more room to use one of them. Do any of you guys use a vise on a pedestal? I do. It is a part of my blacksmith shop on a steel plate. i |
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On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 17:17:10 -0800 (PST), Bob La Londe
wrote: Jim, My dad has a chain style pipe vise on a tripod (sorta) and its actually quite light. I can pick it up and set it in pickup bed quite easily. The third leg is on the end of a 6 foot back with a V on top and the third leg on the bottom. I think its made out of 2" conduit. Its probably close to 40 years old. I have several of these: https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon....CL._SY450_.jpg They work good for what they are. But wrenching a pipe threader around can move them. I picked up one of these not long ago... https://www.ridgid.com/us/en/700-power-drive and it will..will lift the unit in a flash if one has the threader on the wrong side of the pipe...or if one isnt scrupulous about thread clearing before backing off the thread. Btw...anyone have a 3/4" die to fit one of these? I sorely need one. Gunner --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus |
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On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 18:28:58 -0800, Gunner Asch
wrote: On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 17:17:10 -0800 (PST), Bob La Londe wrote: Jim, My dad has a chain style pipe vise on a tripod (sorta) and its actually quite light. I can pick it up and set it in pickup bed quite easily. The third leg is on the end of a 6 foot back with a V on top and the third leg on the bottom. I think its made out of 2" conduit. Its probably close to 40 years old. I have several of these: https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon....CL._SY450_.jpg They work good for what they are. But wrenching a pipe threader around can move them. I picked up one of these not long ago... https://www.ridgid.com/us/en/700-power-drive and it will..will lift the unit in a flash if one has the threader on the wrong side of the pipe...or if one isnt scrupulous about thread clearing before backing off the thread. Btw...anyone have a 3/4" die to fit one of these? I sorely need one. Gunner Btw...I have several of these if anyone needs a spare, including one for IRRC...6" pipe. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus |
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... On Sunday, November 26, 2017 at 6:13:11 PM UTC-5, Bob La Londe wrote: Do any of you guys use a vise on a pedestal? I am also NOT thinking about a post vise, but rather a bench vise bolted to a platform on a pedestal. Waaaadaaaayaaathink? I have two vises in the basement. One is bench mounted and it is the one I use most of the time. The other vise is bolted to a pedestal and the pedestal can be bolted to the floor. But most of the time the pedestal is not bolted to the floor. I also have a HF bender that can be mounted to the same inserts in the basement floor as well as a few other things such as a pipe vise. Well actually the pipe vise mounts to the same pedestal as the vise mounts to. Dan ============================= Instead of drilling the concrete for a permanent pedestal I mounted my HF bender on a rolling table with sockets to insert a long pipe handle to pull against. The long end of the piece being bent can remain supported while the whole bender swivels. The table top is drilled to mount several sheet metal bench tools, and inverts on trunnions to bring up a corner notcher. -jsw |
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On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 18:32:49 -0800, Gunner Asch
wrote: On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 18:28:58 -0800, Gunner Asch wrote: On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 17:17:10 -0800 (PST), Bob La Londe wrote: Jim, My dad has a chain style pipe vise on a tripod (sorta) and its actually quite light. I can pick it up and set it in pickup bed quite easily. The third leg is on the end of a 6 foot back with a V on top and the third leg on the bottom. I think its made out of 2" conduit. Its probably close to 40 years old. I have several of these: https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon....CL._SY450_.jpg They work good for what they are. But wrenching a pipe threader around can move them. I picked up one of these not long ago... https://www.ridgid.com/us/en/700-power-drive and it will..will lift the unit in a flash if one has the threader on the wrong side of the pipe...or if one isnt scrupulous about thread clearing before backing off the thread. Btw...anyone have a 3/4" die to fit one of these? I sorely need one. Gunner Btw...I have several of these if anyone needs a spare, including one for IRRC...6" pipe. Whoops! Sorry.. https://www.ridgid.com/us/en/bench-yoke-vises --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus |
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On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 19:43:10 -0500, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote: "Bob La Londe" wrote in message ... I've thought about this before, but it comes to mind every time one of my two bench mounted vises is in the way, or I wish I had more room to use one of them. Do any of you guys use a vise on a pedestal? For my uses I would NOT want to bolt it down in one place so I'd have to make it pretty heavy. A few hundred pounds doesn't bother me to much. My concrete filled pickup wheel pedestal for my bench grinders has been working out quite nicely, but it might be a bit light for a vise. I am also NOT thinking about a post vise, but rather a bench vise bolted to a platform on a pedestal. Yes, I am thinking about the vise on a hitch mount with a tube under the work bench too. It would work ok on my butcher block work bench, but on the steel top bench the C-channel supporting the top would make it problematic. Waaaadaaaayaaathink? ======================== I'd look into the suitability of a pipe vise tripod stand. Threading and unscrewing pipe are the most demanding jobs I use my bench vise for. -jsw My vise is a 5" Wilton machinist vise on a pedestal bolted to the floor. The wheeled welding table / work bench is next to it most of the time. The pedestal is 6" square tube. I like the setup. Nice and stiff, good for filing, holding rifles for cleaning, and pretty much anything I need a vise for. Pete Keillor |
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On Sunday, November 26, 2017 at 10:20:50 PM UTC-5, Jim Wilkins wrote:
============================= Instead of drilling the concrete for a permanent pedestal I mounted my HF bender on a rolling table with sockets to insert a long pipe handle to pull against. . -jsw. You misinterpreted what I did. The pedestal is not permanent. In fact the inserts in the concrete floor are deliberately placed in a area I walk thru. This ensures there is always a clear area around where the pedestal can be bolted to the floor. Dan |
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On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 20:16:23 -0600, Ignoramus23672
wrote: On 2017-11-27, Jim Wilkins wrote: "Bob La Londe" wrote in message ... I've thought about this before, but it comes to mind every time one of my two bench mounted vises is in the way, or I wish I had more room to use one of them. Do any of you guys use a vise on a pedestal? I do. It is a part of my blacksmith shop on a steel plate. Yeah, I remember the pics of that big boy. Bob wouldn't be moving that around too much without a forklift. LOL -- Shake off all the fears of servile prejudices, under which weak minds are servilely crouched. Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call on her tribunal for every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear. -- Thomas Jefferson |
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On Sunday, November 26, 2017 at 7:42:54 PM UTC-5, Jim Wilkins wrote:
"Bob La Londe" wrote in message ... I've thought about this before, but it comes to mind every time one of my two bench mounted vises is in the way, or I wish I had more room to use one of them. Do any of you guys use a vise on a pedestal? For my uses I would NOT want to bolt it down in one place so I'd have to make it pretty heavy. A few hundred pounds doesn't bother me to much. My concrete filled pickup wheel pedestal for my bench grinders has been working out quite nicely, but it might be a bit light for a vise. I am also NOT thinking about a post vise, but rather a bench vise bolted to a platform on a pedestal. Yes, I am thinking about the vise on a hitch mount with a tube under the work bench too. It would work ok on my butcher block work bench, but on the steel top bench the C-channel supporting the top would make it problematic. Waaaadaaaayaaathink? ======================== I'd look into the suitability of a pipe vise tripod stand. Threading and unscrewing pipe are the most demanding jobs I use my bench vise for. -jsw I second the suggestion of a tripod pipe vise. I spent most of last weekend cutting and threading pipe, and the Ridgid vise I rented was worth every penny. Solid as a rock, and folds up relatively small. |
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On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 21:37:03 -0500, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote: wrote in message ... On Sunday, November 26, 2017 at 6:13:11 PM UTC-5, Bob La Londe wrote: Do any of you guys use a vise on a pedestal? I am also NOT thinking about a post vise, but rather a bench vise bolted to a platform on a pedestal. Waaaadaaaayaaathink? I have two vises in the basement. One is bench mounted and it is the one I use most of the time. The other vise is bolted to a pedestal and the pedestal can be bolted to the floor. But most of the time the pedestal is not bolted to the floor. I also have a HF bender that can be mounted to the same inserts in the basement floor as well as a few other things such as a pipe vise. Well actually the pipe vise mounts to the same pedestal as the vise mounts to. Dan ============================= Instead of drilling the concrete for a permanent pedestal I mounted my HF bender on a rolling table with sockets to insert a long pipe handle to pull against. The long end of the piece being bent can remain supported while the whole bender swivels. The table top is drilled to mount several sheet metal bench tools, and inverts on trunnions to bring up a corner notcher. I considered doing that at one time, but I felt that too many of my machines were either too heavy or too tall for a flip mounting. This setup seems to challenge that thought, though. https://www.thewoodwhisperer.com//wp...flipflop09.jpg 5000 Lb. Capacity Step Bumper Receiver https://is.gd/m5hnmC I'm starting to look that direction, too, but have been considering mounting my HF receiver hitch mount on the assembly table. I like the concept of mounting the bench bender rotated 90-degrees on the end of the table and using the tabletop as a brace while doing bends on the end of long stock. It'd really help maintain bend accuracy. The receiver might be the way to go with my 12" tabletop style wood planer, as well. I mounted my little 1.75T winch on a receiver tube and it works well on the truck. I wonder who has the best price on 2" x .068" square tube. Back to Bob's request. I tend to get rambunctious with things mounted in my vise, so I much prefer a solid bench mounting. Ridgid's tripod setup seems to have the feet you could stand on, but it's lightweight and portable. You referred Bob to a tripod mount, like this? https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon....JL._SY355_.jpg -- Shake off all the fears of servile prejudices, under which weak minds are servilely crouched. Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call on her tribunal for every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear. -- Thomas Jefferson |
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... On Sunday, November 26, 2017 at 10:20:50 PM UTC-5, Jim Wilkins wrote: ============================= Instead of drilling the concrete for a permanent pedestal I mounted my HF bender on a rolling table with sockets to insert a long pipe handle to pull against. . -jsw. You misinterpreted what I did. The pedestal is not permanent. In fact the inserts in the concrete floor are deliberately placed in a area I walk thru. This ensures there is always a clear area around where the pedestal can be bolted to the floor. Dan I was unclear, I meant that the floor inserts would be permanent. What do you plug them with? -jsw |
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On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 15:13:09 -0800 (PST)
Bob La Londe wrote: I've thought about this before, but it comes to mind every time one of my two bench mounted vises is in the way, or I wish I had more room to use one of them. Do any of you guys use a vise on a pedestal? For my uses I would NOT want to bolt it down in one place so I'd have to make it pretty heavy. A few hundred pounds doesn't bother me to much. My concrete filled pickup wheel pedestal for my bench grinders has been working out quite nicely, but it might be a bit light for a vise. I am also NOT thinking about a post vise, but rather a bench vise bolted to a platform on a pedestal. Yes, I am thinking about the vise on a hitch mount with a tube under the work bench too. It would work ok on my butcher block work bench, but on the steel top bench the C-channel supporting the top would make it problematic. Waaaadaaaayaaathink? You can't have too many vises, that's what I think I've got a 60lb 5 inch on a two wheel plus one leg stand and another one mounted to a custom 2 inch receiver. I made the latter so I could take/have a nice vise with me at the old heated shop where I worked on weekends. My truck had 10,000 lb hitches on both the front and rear it could slip into. The shop vise at work was utter rubbish! Another 5 inch and a 3 inch bolted to seldom used benches. A 3.5 inch mounted to my small movable welding stand. That turned out really nice. Dad scrounged it years ago and we added to it. Originally a car rim on the bottom, around 4x4 inch tube with a 9/16 narrow rectangular plate on top. Dad had me weld three angle iron legs to the rim so it wouldn't be all tipsy. I drilled half a dozen holes through the top for bolt mount vise grips when I added the vise. Works really nice for holding small things for welding and grinding. The big 60lb vise is mounted to around a 3 ft x 10 in x 1 in plate on top of two heavy pipe posts at either end. The vise end has maybe 2.5 ft channel iron at the bottom with wheels on either end. The other pipe is just welded to a plate at the bottom. Another channel iron spreader goes between the two posts at the bottom. It is quite stable, yet easy to move around. I have a few other small, special purpose vises around too -- Leon Fisk Grand Rapids MI/Zone 5b Remove no.spam for email |
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"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
... On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 21:37:03 -0500, "Jim Wilkins" wrote: wrote in message ... On Sunday, November 26, 2017 at 6:13:11 PM UTC-5, Bob La Londe wrote: Do any of you guys use a vise on a pedestal? I am also NOT thinking about a post vise, but rather a bench vise bolted to a platform on a pedestal. Waaaadaaaayaaathink? I have two vises in the basement. One is bench mounted and it is the one I use most of the time. The other vise is bolted to a pedestal and the pedestal can be bolted to the floor. But most of the time the pedestal is not bolted to the floor. I also have a HF bender that can be mounted to the same inserts in the basement floor as well as a few other things such as a pipe vise. Well actually the pipe vise mounts to the same pedestal as the vise mounts to. Dan ============================= Instead of drilling the concrete for a permanent pedestal I mounted my HF bender on a rolling table with sockets to insert a long pipe handle to pull against. The long end of the piece being bent can remain supported while the whole bender swivels. The table top is drilled to mount several sheet metal bench tools, and inverts on trunnions to bring up a corner notcher. I considered doing that at one time, but I felt that too many of my machines were either too heavy or too tall for a flip mounting. This setup seems to challenge that thought, though. https://www.thewoodwhisperer.com//wp...flipflop09.jpg ... I mounted the corner notcher opposite an HF bender or Enco 8" shear, and a small table saw opposite a belt/disk sander. Both sides are similar enough in size and weight. I have to plan to complete all the work with one machine before changing to another, but I grew up using a Shopsmith and have a 1" belt sander for deburring sharp edges between operations. I didn't combine one wood with one metal working machine because the saw and sander share a motor and outboard supports, and the sheet metal machines all need the long pipe handle to pull against. Also I push fairly lightly to feed into the saw and need it stationary, off the wheels, while I pull hard on the sheet metal machine handles and would rather they roll than tip over. My jointer and 10" wood planer remain separate, mostly because their outboard supports are tedious to align for 8' and 12' planks from my sawmill. The planer stores under the jointer. -jsw |
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Bob La Londe writes: Do any of you guys use a vise on a pedestal?=20 [snip] Waaaadaaaayaaathink? I have five vices -- bench, 2 leg, pattern maker's, cabinet maker's -- permanently mounted on benches. The 8" leg vice is firmly bolted, via the usual band & wedge device, to a piece of heavy-wall 4x4 HSS. The HSS post and the foot of the vice stand in sockets welded to the center of a 4'x4' piece of 1/4" plate. The vice, even without the attached post, is too heavy for me to lift, as is the plate. But it's easy to pick up first the vice and then the plate with a garden variety rolling engine hoist and prop them in a corner when the space but not the vice is needed. The plate and socket are heavy/sturdy enough that hammering, twisting and wrenching don't move the vice. -- Mike Spencer Nova Scotia, Canada |
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"Mike Spencer" wrote in message
... Bob La Londe writes: Do any of you guys use a vise on a pedestal?=20 [snip] Waaaadaaaayaaathink? I have five vices -- bench, 2 leg, pattern maker's, cabinet maker's -- permanently mounted on benches. The 8" leg vice is firmly bolted, via the usual band & wedge device, to a piece of heavy-wall 4x4 HSS. The HSS post and the foot of the vice stand in sockets welded to the center of a 4'x4' piece of 1/4" plate. The vice, even without the attached post, is too heavy for me to lift, as is the plate. But it's easy to pick up first the vice and then the plate with a garden variety rolling engine hoist and prop them in a corner when the space but not the vice is needed. The plate and socket are heavy/sturdy enough that hammering, twisting and wrenching don't move the vice. -- Mike Spencer Nova Scotia, Canada How does a leg vise compare to a machinist's vise for clamping objects with parallel surfaces such as pipe fittings? The leg vise I found seems more suited to holding manually ground weldments than machined parts since the jaws are never really parallel. I don't do a significant amount of forging or hot bending because I don't have a good safe place for the fire, or the artistic talent for ornamental iron work. 1/2" and 3/4" conduit benders are enough for most of the bending I do for structural parts like solar panel supports. This works well for bending angle brackets: http://www.eastwood.com/4-inch-metal-bender.html I don't have a bench strong and heavy enough for it so I clamp it to a log splitter I beam. -jsw |
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On Monday, November 27, 2017 at 10:40:57 PM UTC-5, Jim Wilkins wrote:
wrote in message I was unclear, I meant that the floor inserts would be permanent. What do you plug them with? -jsw The inserts are for 3/4 inch bolts. I do not plug them with anything. They do not seem to fill up with trash, but should be able to be cleared with a shop vac Dan |
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On Tue, 28 Nov 2017 06:09:04 -0800 (PST)
" wrote: On Monday, November 27, 2017 at 10:40:57 PM UTC-5, Jim Wilkins wrote: wrote in message I was unclear, I meant that the floor inserts would be permanent. What do you plug them with? -jsw The inserts are for 3/4 inch bolts. I do not plug them with anything. They do not seem to fill up with trash, but should be able to be cleared with a shop vac You must be married. Here they would be full in less than a month. Even faster if I walked by them regularly ;-) I should take some pictures of my setups but it would be a job in itself to clear and or move them to a suitable spot. I think "clutter" should have been my middle name... -- Leon Fisk Grand Rapids MI/Zone 5b Remove no.spam for email |
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On 28 Nov 2017 03:06:07 -0400, Mike Spencer
wrote: Bob La Londe writes: Do any of you guys use a vise on a pedestal?=20 [snip] Waaaadaaaayaaathink? I have five vices -- bench, 2 leg, pattern maker's, cabinet maker's -- permanently mounted on benches. Ooh, got an EMMERT turtleback type 4 patternmakers vise? (gains reverent look) http://www.mprime.com/Emmert/index.htm cue cathedral pipe organ https://is.gd/pOIJ7p The 8" leg vice is firmly bolted, via the usual band & wedge device, to a piece of heavy-wall 4x4 HSS. The HSS post and the foot of the vice stand in sockets welded to the center of a 4'x4' piece of 1/4" plate. 8" leg? That's a huge vise. The vice, even without the attached post, is too heavy for me to lift, as is the plate. But it's easy to pick up first the vice and then the plate with a garden variety rolling engine hoist and prop them in a corner when the space but not the vice is needed. Do you roll the cherry picker over the plate, then lift 2" off the ground under the legs, to move it? That's a heavy chunk of iron! The plate and socket are heavy/sturdy enough that hammering, twisting and wrenching don't move the vice. I'll bet. Pretty cool. In a hurricane, it'd surely hold the house down, keeping it from blowing away. -- Silence is more musical than any song. -- Christina Rossetti |
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On Tue, 28 Nov 2017 07:08:45 -0800
Larry Jaques wrote: snip On 28 Nov 2017 03:06:07 -0400, Mike Spencer wrote: The 8" leg vice is firmly bolted, via the usual band & wedge device, to a piece of heavy-wall 4x4 HSS. The HSS post and the foot of the vice stand in sockets welded to the center of a 4'x4' piece of 1/4" plate. 8" leg? That's a huge vise. I rather like this one: https://www.instagram.com/p/BYn8XSJDuiU/ or this slightly bigger one: https://www.instagram.com/p/BaAZVc-D3uq/ There are some amazing old tools still out there -- Leon Fisk Grand Rapids MI/Zone 5b Remove no.spam for email |
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On Tuesday, November 28, 2017 at 9:25:53 AM UTC-5, Leon Fisk wrote:
You must be married. Here they would be full in less than a month. Even faster if I walked by them regularly ;-) I should take some pictures of my setups but it would be a job in itself to clear and or move them to a suitable spot. I think "clutter" should have been my middle name... -- Leon Fisk You guessed right. I am married. Will be 59 years in June. If the inserts were near a wall, they would fill up fa Leon Fiskirly quickly. But they are in a pathway, not an area where I normally work. Dan |
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On Tue, 28 Nov 2017 14:44:51 -0400, Leon Fisk
wrote: On Tue, 28 Nov 2017 07:08:45 -0800 Larry Jaques wrote: snip On 28 Nov 2017 03:06:07 -0400, Mike Spencer wrote: The 8" leg vice is firmly bolted, via the usual band & wedge device, to a piece of heavy-wall 4x4 HSS. The HSS post and the foot of the vice stand in sockets welded to the center of a 4'x4' piece of 1/4" plate. 8" leg? That's a huge vise. I rather like this one: https://www.instagram.com/p/BYn8XSJDuiU/ or this slightly bigger one: https://www.instagram.com/p/BaAZVc-D3uq/ There are some amazing old tools still out there Oh be still my heart!! Now I have a woodie!! (Grin) --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus |
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i have a similar vise in my blacksmith forge.
https://www.machinerymoverschicago.c...cksmith-Forge/ On 2017-11-29, Gunner Asch wrote: On Tue, 28 Nov 2017 14:44:51 -0400, Leon Fisk wrote: On Tue, 28 Nov 2017 07:08:45 -0800 Larry Jaques wrote: snip On 28 Nov 2017 03:06:07 -0400, Mike Spencer wrote: The 8" leg vice is firmly bolted, via the usual band & wedge device, to a piece of heavy-wall 4x4 HSS. The HSS post and the foot of the vice stand in sockets welded to the center of a 4'x4' piece of 1/4" plate. 8" leg? That's a huge vise. I rather like this one: https://www.instagram.com/p/BYn8XSJDuiU/ or this slightly bigger one: https://www.instagram.com/p/BaAZVc-D3uq/ There are some amazing old tools still out there Oh be still my heart!! Now I have a woodie!! (Grin) --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus |
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"Jim Wilkins" writes: "Mike Spencer" wrote in message ... The 8" leg vice is firmly bolted, via the usual band & wedge device, to a piece of heavy-wall 4x4 HSS. The HSS post and the foot of the vice stand in sockets welded to the center of a 4'x4' piece of 1/4" plate. How does a leg vise compare to a machinist's vise for clamping objects with parallel surfaces such as pipe fittings? Where parallel jaws are critical, not well. I do have a machinist's vise. For when they're desirable but not critical, I usually have temporary, slip-in 3/16" aluminum inserts over the jaws that add a little forgiveness. Use them most of the time unless having the sharp edge of the iron jaw is important for something. The leg vise I found seems more suited to holding manually ground weldments than machined parts since the jaws are never really parallel. Just so. I don't do a significant amount of forging or hot bending because I don't have a good safe place for the fire, or the artistic talent for ornamental iron work. Forging is mostly what I do except for general repairs around the place. And the bench-mounted 6" leg vise suffices for most of that. This works well for bending angle brackets: http://www.eastwood.com/4-inch-metal-bender.html I don't have a bench strong and heavy enough for it so I clamp it to a log splitter I beam. -- Mike Spencer Nova Scotia, Canada |
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Larry Jaques writes: On 28 Nov 2017 03:06:07 -0400, Mike Spencer wrote: I have five vices -- bench, 2 leg, pattern maker's, cabinet maker's -- permanently mounted on benches. Ooh, got an EMMERT turtleback type 4 patternmakers vise? (gains reverent look) http://www.mprime.com/Emmert/index.htm cue cathedral pipe organ https://is.gd/pOIJ7p No, sorry. This looks pretty much like a machinist's bench vise except: + No jaw inserts + Contact area for the jaws is much larger than usual. + Jaws are much taller then usual, tapering toward the top, giving clearance to file at a steep angle. + No swivel base. The 8" leg vice is firmly bolted, via the usual band & wedge device, to a piece of heavy-wall 4x4 HSS. The HSS post and the foot of the vice stand in sockets welded to the center of a 4'x4' piece of 1/4" plate. 8" leg? That's a huge vise. Just so. I saw three in the maintainance shop at the old underground coal mine in Stellarton. The guy who bought the biz bulldozed the entire shop and sent it for scrap when he couldn't get urban collector price for for the old gear -- asked $250K IIRC. They used the vices to hold the ancient pneumatic drills that kept failing. (See the 1910 Brittanica under coal mining for pics of such drills in use.) Some years later I heard about this vise and drove 200 miles to get it, another smaller leg vise and a Continental engine that I never could get needed parts for. The vice, even without the attached post, is too heavy for me to lift, as is the plate. But it's easy to pick up first the vice and then the plate with a garden variety rolling engine hoist and prop them in a corner when the space but not the vice is needed. Do you roll the cherry picker over the plate... Yes. Not a powered basket cherry picker, just a manual push-around lift/hoist. Old guy, y'know? Picking heavy stuff up off the floor is no longer my thing. ...then lift 2" off the ground under the legs, to move it? That's a heavy chunk of iron! I don't get that. Have to lift the vise/post assembly ca. 4" to get the post out of the socket. The plate has a 2" hole near one edge. Lift with a pry bar, get a chain hook into it, pick it up. The plate and socket are heavy/sturdy enough that hammering, twisting and wrenching don't move the vice. I'll bet. Pretty cool. In a hurricane, it'd surely hold the house down, keeping it from blowing away. Present shop has a concrete floor. Could blow down *around* the vise. Original shop was too small to hold such a rig, had a 6" leg vise outside. http://home.tallships.ca/mspencer/temp/shed.html -- Mike Spencer Nova Scotia, Canada |
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On Tue, 28 Nov 2017 18:14:43 -0600, Ignoramus26257
wrote: i have a similar vise in my blacksmith forge. https://www.machinerymoverschicago.c...cksmith-Forge/ Nice!! Very nice! I have (2) about that size..both need restoration, mostly sand blasting, paint and new jaw inserts. https://photos.app.goo.gl/T1Hz7TNulycMHbFX2 https://photos.app.goo.gl/P4wH1eKNYkAblWgY2 I hope both of mine come out close to that nice. On 2017-11-29, Gunner Asch wrote: On Tue, 28 Nov 2017 14:44:51 -0400, Leon Fisk wrote: On Tue, 28 Nov 2017 07:08:45 -0800 Larry Jaques wrote: snip On 28 Nov 2017 03:06:07 -0400, Mike Spencer wrote: The 8" leg vice is firmly bolted, via the usual band & wedge device, to a piece of heavy-wall 4x4 HSS. The HSS post and the foot of the vice stand in sockets welded to the center of a 4'x4' piece of 1/4" plate. 8" leg? That's a huge vise. I rather like this one: https://www.instagram.com/p/BYn8XSJDuiU/ or this slightly bigger one: https://www.instagram.com/p/BaAZVc-D3uq/ There are some amazing old tools still out there Oh be still my heart!! Now I have a woodie!! (Grin) --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus |
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On 29 Nov 2017 03:36:37 -0400
Mike Spencer wrote: snip Larry Jaques writes: Do you roll the cherry picker over the plate... Yes. Not a powered basket cherry picker, just a manual push-around lift/hoist. Old guy, y'know? Picking heavy stuff up off the floor is no longer my thing. A cool old cherry picker would be nice too: https://www.instagram.com/p/BaVVdsbjMod/ The vise below is foot operated, built similar to leg vises. The second slide is a video. When watching I thought the front jaw insert was loose but now I think it is deliberate to allow the jaw to stay aligned with its mate. One could probably do something similar for the leg vises... https://www.instagram.com/p/Bb7H9o7jzRq/ -- Leon Fisk Grand Rapids MI/Zone 5b Remove no.spam for email |
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Leon Fisk writes: The vise below is foot operated, built similar to leg vises. The second slide is a video. When watching I thought the front jaw insert was loose but now I think it is deliberate to allow the jaw to stay aligned with its mate. One could probably do something similar for the leg vises... https://www.instagram.com/p/Bb7H9o7jzRq/ My browser doesn't render instagram but from your text: Does the vise also have a ca. 4"x4" shelf-like projection? Could be a farrier's caulking vise. They have that self-aligning jaw and treadle closure. I had one 50 years ago but swapped it off for some other stuff. The shelf would have held a "caulking block", a steel brick with acute-angle grooves, used to support a freshly caulked shoe, caulk down, when hammering on the hoof side. I've also seen a foot operated vise in an optical repair shop but it was an elegant precision tool, far from clunky old iron. -- Mike Spencer Nova Scotia, Canada |
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On 29 Nov 2017 12:32:30 -0400
Mike Spencer wrote: Leon Fisk writes: The vise below is foot operated, built similar to leg vises. The second slide is a video. When watching I thought the front jaw insert was loose but now I think it is deliberate to allow the jaw to stay aligned with its mate. One could probably do something similar for the leg vises... https://www.instagram.com/p/Bb7H9o7jzRq/ My browser doesn't render instagram but from your text: Does the vise also have a ca. 4"x4" shelf-like projection? Could be a farrier's caulking vise. They have that self-aligning jaw and treadle closure. I had one 50 years ago but swapped it off for some other stuff. The shelf would have held a "caulking block", a steel brick with acute-angle grooves, used to support a freshly caulked shoe, caulk down, when hammering on the hoof side. I've also seen a foot operated vise in an optical repair shop but it was an elegant precision tool, far from clunky old iron. I think that's it. Try these direct links to the static images: https://instagram.fdet1-2.fna.fbcdn....36649472_n.jpg https://instagram.fdet1-2.fna.fbcdn....781440_n.jp g https://instagram.fdet1-2.fna.fbcdn....781440_n.jp g https://instagram.fdet1-2.fna.fbcdn....44313856_n.jpg "Wiley & Russell manufacturing Co. Green River no. 3 foot vise." Here is a direct link to the Hoist video: https://instagram.fdet1-2.fna.fbcdn....39620864_n.mp4 I have to download them myself. Don't have enough computer oomph to watch them in the browser... -- Leon Fisk Grand Rapids MI/Zone 5b Remove no.spam for email |
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On 29 Nov 2017 12:32:30 -0400, Mike Spencer
wrote: Leon Fisk writes: The vise below is foot operated, built similar to leg vises. The second slide is a video. When watching I thought the front jaw insert was loose but now I think it is deliberate to allow the jaw to stay aligned with its mate. One could probably do something similar for the leg vises... https://www.instagram.com/p/Bb7H9o7jzRq/ My browser doesn't render instagram but from your text: Does the vise also have a ca. 4"x4" shelf-like projection? Could be a farrier's caulking vise. They have that self-aligning jaw and treadle closure. I had one 50 years ago but swapped it off for some other stuff. The shelf would have held a "caulking block", a steel brick with acute-angle grooves, used to support a freshly caulked shoe, caulk down, when hammering on the hoof side. Thats what it is. I've also seen a foot operated vise in an optical repair shop but it was an elegant precision tool, far from clunky old iron. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus |
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On 11/26/2017 7:12 PM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
"Bob La Londe" wrote in message ... Jim, My dad has a chain style pipe vise on a tripod (sorta) and its actually quite light. I can pick it up and set it in pickup bed quite easily. The third leg is on the end of a 6 foot back with a V on top and the third leg on the bottom. I think its made out of 2" conduit. Its probably close to 40 years old. ============== I did my industrial pipe fitting by brazing so I haven't personally used a tripod-mounted pipe vise. It looks like you can stand on the bent-out foot of the near side leg and apply all your strength to turn a threading die handle. I temporarily clamped a chain vise to my 400 Lb utility trailer to thread 2" pipe and nearly flipped the trailer. A hitch-mounted vise on my pickup was less handy than I expected because the tail lights are too vulnerable to accidents. When I need to clamp something large outdoors I attach a blacksmith leg vise to a corner of a rollaround or welding table. I've never built anything that needed a completely free-standing vise; usually I'd rather have it next to a flat surface that supports the work while I'm tightening the jaw. -jsw You know I'm learning the ins and outs of a new newsreader so... That three legged pipe vise setup was two legs angled out front. 6' long back, with a V cut tube on top and a 3rd leg on the bottom. Very very stable. We cut a lot of pipe and conduit and threaded a fair amount of pipe with it in the field, and I don't ever recall an issue with it moving around on us. I guess it made up for the lack of mass with size. It was pretty big. Now back at the hardware store we used a pipe drive. So much easier. You could cut and thread pipe all day with it. Sometimes I did when a farm would send us a list of precut lengths they wanted. |
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"Mike Spencer" wrote in message
... Larry Jaques writes: On 28 Nov 2017 03:06:07 -0400, Mike Spencer wrote: I have five vices -- bench, 2 leg, pattern maker's, cabinet maker's -- permanently mounted on benches. Ooh, got an EMMERT turtleback type 4 patternmakers vise? (gains reverent look) http://www.mprime.com/Emmert/index.htm cue cathedral pipe organ https://is.gd/pOIJ7p No, sorry. This looks pretty much like a machinist's bench vise except: + No jaw inserts + Contact area for the jaws is much larger than usual. + Jaws are much taller then usual, tapering toward the top, giving clearance to file at a steep angle. + No swivel base. Mike Spencer Nova Scotia, Canada https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...etal-132396735 |
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Leon Fisk writes: On 29 Nov 2017 12:32:30 -0400 Mike Spencer wrote: The shelf would have held a "caulking block", a steel brick with acute-angle grooves, used to support a freshly caulked shoe, caulk down, when hammering on the hoof side. I think that's it. Try these direct links to the static images: https://instagram.fdet1-2.fna.fbcdn....36649472_n.jpg Yes, that's caulking vise, specialized for forging or welding horseshoe caulks. Never saw one used by a proper farrier for its proper purpose. -- Mike Spencer Nova Scotia, Canada |
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On 29 Nov 2017 16:33:12 -0400
Mike Spencer wrote: Leon Fisk writes: On 29 Nov 2017 12:32:30 -0400 Mike Spencer wrote: [...] I think that's it. Try these direct links to the static images: https://instagram.fdet1-2.fna.fbcdn....36649472_n.jpg Yes, that's caulking vise, specialized for forging or welding horseshoe caulks. Never saw one used by a proper farrier for its proper purpose. Interesting. Thanks for the info. I'm up in snow country and like old odds & ends. I've seen several different versions of caulks through the years. My Dad use to call them sharp shod, or something that sounded like that. He hauled logs out of the woods with a team of horses in his younger years. If you dig around in old patents you will find a lot of rabbit holes to explore searching on shoe caulks -- Leon Fisk Grand Rapids MI/Zone 5b Remove no.spam for email |
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On 29 Nov 2017 03:36:37 -0400, Mike Spencer
wrote: Larry Jaques writes: On 28 Nov 2017 03:06:07 -0400, Mike Spencer wrote: I have five vices -- bench, 2 leg, pattern maker's, cabinet maker's -- permanently mounted on benches. Ooh, got an EMMERT turtleback type 4 patternmakers vise? (gains reverent look) http://www.mprime.com/Emmert/index.htm cue cathedral pipe organ https://is.gd/pOIJ7p No, sorry. This looks pretty much like a machinist's bench vise except: + No jaw inserts + Contact area for the jaws is much larger than usual. + Jaws are much taller then usual, tapering toward the top, giving clearance to file at a steep angle. + No swivel base. The 8" leg vice is firmly bolted, via the usual band & wedge device, to a piece of heavy-wall 4x4 HSS. The HSS post and the foot of the vice stand in sockets welded to the center of a 4'x4' piece of 1/4" plate. 8" leg? That's a huge vise. Just so. I saw three in the maintainance shop at the old underground coal mine in Stellarton. The guy who bought the biz bulldozed the entire shop and sent it for scrap when he couldn't get urban collector price for for the old gear -- asked $250K IIRC. They used the vices to hold the ancient pneumatic drills that kept failing. (See the 1910 Brittanica under coal mining for pics of such drills in use.) Some years later I heard about this vise and drove 200 miles to get it, another smaller leg vise and a Continental engine that I never could get needed parts for. BTDT. Conti parts are as hard to find as dinosaur teeth. The vice, even without the attached post, is too heavy for me to lift, as is the plate. But it's easy to pick up first the vice and then the plate with a garden variety rolling engine hoist and prop them in a corner when the space but not the vice is needed. Do you roll the cherry picker over the plate... Yes. Not a powered basket cherry picker, just a manual push-around lift/hoist. Old guy, y'know? Picking heavy stuff up off the floor is no longer my thing. Ditto here, for the most part. ...then lift 2" off the ground under the legs, to move it? That's a heavy chunk of iron! I don't get that. Have to lift the vise/post assembly ca. 4" to get the post out of the socket. The plate has a 2" hole near one edge. Lift with a pry bar, get a chain hook into it, pick it up. Since my cherry picker legs are less than 4' apart, and only a few inches off the ground, I thought yours might be the same. OK, so with the post hole you'd have to lift it by the side, but isn't it top heavy? Sounds ungainly, but you didn't mention rigging. The plate and socket are heavy/sturdy enough that hammering, twisting and wrenching don't move the vice. I'll bet. Pretty cool. In a hurricane, it'd surely hold the house down, keeping it from blowing away. Present shop has a concrete floor. Could blow down *around* the vise. Original shop was too small to hold such a rig, had a 6" leg vise outside. Nah, just tie the top corners to the assembly. http://home.tallships.ca/mspencer/temp/shed.html Or not, since it likely wouldn't weather a hurricane. g -- Silence is more musical than any song. -- Christina Rossetti |
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