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Impossible snap ring, how to remove?
On Sat, 30 Sep 2017 00:05:24 -0400, Ned Simmons
wrote: On Sat, 30 Sep 2017 03:29:34 -0000 (UTC), bob prohaska wrote: Ned Simmons wrote: Try "face spanner." The photos all seem to come up with round pins; did I miss something? The gland nuts I'm dealing with have rectangular notches. Pins might work, but they seem precarious. A couple with square or rectangular pins: https://www.amazon.com/Stanley-Proto.../dp/B001VXTV82 http://tinyurl.com/yd92oru6 Wow, "only" $127? I've made tools similar to the second example to reach bearing locknuts in a recess where a hook spanner won't work. Face spanners of a different sort: http://l7.alamy.com/zooms/4baf2b5d64...ner-aktmyy.jpg Asian Crescent Moonie? https://cdn4.i-scmp.com/sites/defaul...?itok=tu144kGF Artist has obviously never used a hand tool before. The snap rings you pictured are often called Eaton rings, though most I've encountered are hard. Thanks, that's a term I've not encountered before. I've always worked with uneaten rings. shrug -- Stoop and you'll be stepped on; stand tall and you'll be shot at. -- Carlos A. Urbizo |
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On Sat, 30 Sep 2017 09:25:24 -0400, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote: "Jim Wilkins" wrote in message news "bob prohaska" wrote in message news Ned Simmons wrote: Try "face spanner." http://www.rocklinhydraulics.com/adj...paner-set.html Do you see why I make my own? Verily. I smile when I see things like that. It reinforces the Maker in me, and an hour later, the tool is in my hand. -- Stoop and you'll be stepped on; stand tall and you'll be shot at. -- Carlos A. Urbizo |
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"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
... On Sat, 30 Sep 2017 09:25:24 -0400, "Jim Wilkins" wrote: "Jim Wilkins" wrote in message news "bob prohaska" wrote in message news Ned Simmons wrote: Try "face spanner." http://www.rocklinhydraulics.com/adj...paner-set.html Do you see why I make my own? Verily. I smile when I see things like that. It reinforces the Maker in me, and an hour later, the tool is in my hand. For perspective: https://www.moneytips.com/what-items-cost-per-pound "The MSRP on a 2014 Maserati GranTurismo is $126,500 and it weighs about 3,900 pounds, for a cost per pound of $32.43." -jsw |
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Impossible snap ring, how to remove?
Larry Jaques wrote:
On Fri, 29 Sep 2017 21:42:44 -0000 (UTC), bob prohaska wrote: The Urban Dictionary link surprised me a little; didn't see any reference to wrenches.....times change. 'Twas a joke, Bob, and it came up in my google search. Oops, apologies for being so thick...At one time a thing called "The Urban Dictionary" was a useful guide to language too modern to be found in traditional dictionaries. In any case, it looks as if I'm stuck on a problem more basic. For reasons unclear, the two major fasteners on the jack are tight beyond my ability to move them (and any obvious reason). They're items 4 and 34 on the first figure in http://www.zefox.net/~bp/model_k_breakdown.pdf I managed to bolt the unit body (item 12) to the hitch mount on my Scout and put a pipe wench on item 4 with a 4 foot cheater and all my 140 pounds, plus a hammer. It didn't yield. Item 34 is more delicate, so I made a spanner out of black iron pipe, but that bent before the packing box turned. As others have noted, pipe is soft, so maybe something from a grade 8 nut has a better chance. I'm planning to visit Valley Hydraulics in Woodland unless the Jack-X-Change supplies some useful tech support to go with the seal kit. Thanks for reading, bob prohaska |
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On Sun, 1 Oct 2017 02:29:01 -0000 (UTC), bob prohaska
wrote: Larry Jaques wrote: On Fri, 29 Sep 2017 21:42:44 -0000 (UTC), bob prohaska wrote: The Urban Dictionary link surprised me a little; didn't see any reference to wrenches.....times change. 'Twas a joke, Bob, and it came up in my google search. Oops, apologies for being so thick...At one time a thing called "The Urban Dictionary" was a useful guide to language too modern to be found in traditional dictionaries. In any case, it looks as if I'm stuck on a problem more basic. For reasons unclear, the two major fasteners on the jack are tight beyond my ability to move them (and any obvious reason). They're items 4 and 34 on the first figure in http://www.zefox.net/~bp/model_k_breakdown.pdf I managed to bolt the unit body (item 12) to the hitch mount on my Scout and put a pipe wench on item 4 with a 4 foot cheater and all my 140 pounds, plus a hammer. It didn't yield. Item 34 is more delicate, so I made a spanner out of black iron pipe, but that bent before the packing box turned. As others have noted, pipe is soft, so maybe something from a grade 8 nut has a better chance. I'm planning to visit Valley Hydraulics in Woodland unless the Jack-X-Change supplies some useful tech support to go with the seal kit. Thanks for reading, bob prohaska It will likely take some aerious heat |
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"bob prohaska" wrote in message
news Larry Jaques wrote: On Fri, 29 Sep 2017 21:42:44 -0000 (UTC), bob prohaska wrote: The Urban Dictionary link surprised me a little; didn't see any reference to wrenches.....times change. 'Twas a joke, Bob, and it came up in my google search. Oops, apologies for being so thick...At one time a thing called "The Urban Dictionary" was a useful guide to language too modern to be found in traditional dictionaries. In any case, it looks as if I'm stuck on a problem more basic. For reasons unclear, the two major fasteners on the jack are tight beyond my ability to move them (and any obvious reason). They're items 4 and 34 on the first figure in http://www.zefox.net/~bp/model_k_breakdown.pdf I managed to bolt the unit body (item 12) to the hitch mount on my Scout and put a pipe wench on item 4 with a 4 foot cheater and all my 140 pounds, plus a hammer. It didn't yield. Item 34 is more delicate, so I made a spanner out of black iron pipe, but that bent before the packing box turned. As others have noted, pipe is soft, so maybe something from a grade 8 nut has a better chance. I'm planning to visit Valley Hydraulics in Woodland unless the Jack-X-Change supplies some useful tech support to go with the seal kit. Thanks for reading, bob prohaska Suggesting solutions would be easier if we knew what machine tools you have available. -jsw |
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Impossible snap ring, how to remove?
On 9/30/2017 9:29 PM, bob prohaska wrote:
Larry Jaques wrote: On Fri, 29 Sep 2017 21:42:44 -0000 (UTC), bob prohaska wrote: The Urban Dictionary link surprised me a little; didn't see any reference to wrenches.....times change. 'Twas a joke, Bob, and it came up in my google search. Oops, apologies for being so thick...At one time a thing called "The Urban Dictionary" was a useful guide to language too modern to be found in traditional dictionaries. In any case, it looks as if I'm stuck on a problem more basic. For reasons unclear, the two major fasteners on the jack are tight beyond my ability to move them (and any obvious reason). They're items 4 and 34 on the first figure in http://www.zefox.net/~bp/model_k_breakdown.pdf I managed to bolt the unit body (item 12) to the hitch mount on my Scout and put a pipe wench on item 4 with a 4 foot cheater and all my 140 pounds, plus a hammer. It didn't yield. Item 34 is more delicate, so I made a spanner out of black iron pipe, but that bent before the packing box turned. As others have noted, pipe is soft, so maybe something from a grade 8 nut has a better chance. I'm planning to visit Valley Hydraulics in Woodland unless the Jack-X-Change supplies some useful tech support to go with the seal kit. Thanks for reading, bob prohaska Â* Several years ago we were trying to remove the torx head fork tube clamp bolts on the front of a Sportster - even broke a T45 torx bitÂ* . Old mechanic tells us to try tightening them just a hair first . And it worked . Also worked just the other day for me to remove the front pulley nut on my Harley - though that one needed heat too . So , try tightening them just a hair first . And if you've got replacements in the kit for anything that'll melt , well there's always the heat option .. I like O/A ... Â* -- Â* Snag |
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Impossible snap ring, how to remove?
On Sat, 30 Sep 2017 18:00:22 -0400, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote: "Larry Jaques" wrote in message .. . On Sat, 30 Sep 2017 09:25:24 -0400, "Jim Wilkins" wrote: "Jim Wilkins" wrote in message news "bob prohaska" wrote in message news Ned Simmons wrote: Try "face spanner." http://www.rocklinhydraulics.com/adj...paner-set.html Do you see why I make my own? Verily. I smile when I see things like that. It reinforces the Maker in me, and an hour later, the tool is in my hand. For perspective: https://www.moneytips.com/what-items-cost-per-pound "The MSRP on a 2014 Maserati GranTurismo is $126,500 and it weighs about 3,900 pounds, for a cost per pound of $32.43." Yes, but a Maserati that size would feed you for a lifetime. Well, if you could find a way to digest and metabolize steel, cast iron, plastic, paint, leather, cloth, foam, gasoline, oil, brake fluid, rubber, and aluminum. You'd eat like a king! -- Stoop and you'll be stepped on; stand tall and you'll be shot at. -- Carlos A. Urbizo |
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Impossible snap ring, how to remove?
On Sun, 1 Oct 2017 02:29:01 -0000 (UTC), bob prohaska
wrote: Larry Jaques wrote: On Fri, 29 Sep 2017 21:42:44 -0000 (UTC), bob prohaska wrote: The Urban Dictionary link surprised me a little; didn't see any reference to wrenches.....times change. 'Twas a joke, Bob, and it came up in my google search. Oops, apologies for being so thick...At one time a thing called "The Urban Dictionary" was a useful guide to language too modern to be found in traditional dictionaries. I find it a hilarious jumble. Good guide to Leftist new-speak for us Cisgendered, white male gazing, haters out here. http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=cis https://everydayfeminism.com/2016/03...male-gaze-woc/ http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=hater #3, please. In any case, it looks as if I'm stuck on a problem more basic. For reasons unclear, the two major fasteners on the jack are tight beyond my ability to move them (and any obvious reason). They're items 4 and 34 on the first figure in http://www.zefox.net/~bp/model_k_breakdown.pdf I managed to bolt the unit body (item 12) to the hitch mount on my Scout and put a pipe wench on item 4 with a 4 foot cheater and all my 140 pounds, plus a hammer. It didn't yield. I owned and enjoyed flying a 1972 Int'l Scout 2WD (304, 3sp manual) for a couple years. I had to sell it in '88 when I hurt my back since I couldn't turn the heavy (manual, not power) steering wheel any more. Item 34 is more delicate, so I made a spanner out of black iron pipe, but that bent before the packing box turned. As others have noted, pipe is soft, so maybe something from a grade 8 nut has a better chance. Yes, likely so. I'm planning to visit Valley Hydraulics in Woodland unless the Jack-X-Change supplies some useful tech support to go with the seal kit. 3 quick thoughts. First, have you done any percussion loosening of the tube yet, with or without a Kroil or PB Blaster soak first? if not, take a sledge and put it up against the side of the tube at the item 4/5 junction. Now take another hammer and whack the pipe opposite the sledge. Give it a few, turn it 15 degrees and do it again. Repeat for 180 degrees. Re-Kroil and try again. If it's still a NOGO, whack it again and let it sit overnight. If still NOGO the next day try heat. Second, heat the tube near the 4/5 junction but on the tube. In olden days, we'd take the nasty, atmosphere-eating R12 and freeze the inner part while heating the outer part, then try unscrewing them. Third, although it's unlikely, have you tried tightening first? On rare occasions, a nut will tighten even though it won't loosen, but after it nudges a bit tighter, will loosen more easily. This also allows for the rare left-handed assembly, which may unscrew easily once you figure out what direction the threads are going. I've never seen a LHT on hydraulics, but I don't work on them every day, either. Let us know what works. I've never repaired a jack because grumble the repair kit (2 o-rings, a spring, and a ball, IIRC) always cost at least $2 more than an entire brand new freakin' jack. /grumble -- Stoop and you'll be stepped on; stand tall and you'll be shot at. -- Carlos A. Urbizo |
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On Sat, 30 Sep 2017 12:58:11 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote: http://www.rocklinhydraulics.com/adj...paner-set.html Do you see why I make my own? I have a number of thise hook spanners..I may have some duplicates if anyone needs any. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus |
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On Fri, 29 Sep 2017 19:55:55 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote: On Fri, 29 Sep 2017 12:18:42 -0400, "Jim Wilkins" wrote: The Harbor Freight pin spanner is cheap enough to modify into a custom tool: https://www.harborfreight.com/adjust...nch-36554.html Wow, are those new? I've never seen that either in stores or advertised in their catalogs before, and I've been shopping HF since the mid '70s. Ive had a few of those kicking around from HF for years. They arent made all that well..but will occasionally work on angle grinders --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus |
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Impossible snap ring, how to remove?
On Sun, 01 Oct 2017 11:11:14 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote: Let us know what works. I've never repaired a jack because grumble the repair kit (2 o-rings, a spring, and a ball, IIRC) always cost at least $2 more than an entire brand new freakin' jack. /grumble Then you are buying them at the wrong places. O rings are a quarter each until you get to 4"..the spring is a buck and the ball is 50 cents at Ace hardware. Which is why Ive picked up most of my (23) jacks at yard sales for a couple bucks each. Humm...the (2) Blackhawk 60 ton jacks were $15 each. One worked fine once I filled it with oil..the other needed the ball replaced..again...50 cents --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus |
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On Sun, 01 Oct 2017 16:14:39 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote: On Sun, 01 Oct 2017 11:11:14 -0700, Larry Jaques wrote: Let us know what works. I've never repaired a jack because grumble the repair kit (2 o-rings, a spring, and a ball, IIRC) always cost at least $2 more than an entire brand new freakin' jack. /grumble Then you are buying them at the wrong places. That's trying to find them locally. Anything in an industrial supply place starts at $40 and goes up from there. Or you get the "If you let us do the work, we won't charge for small parts like that." Now that there's a HFT store right here in town, that might shift. O rings are a quarter each until you get to 4"..the spring is a buck and the ball is 50 cents at Ace hardware. Cool. I've never thought to look for something like that at Ace. I knew that you could have hydraulic hoses or an o-ring made at NAPA Auto Parts, supergluing linear stock ends together. Which is why Ive picked up most of my (23) jacks at yard sales for a couple bucks each. Humm...the (2) Blackhawk 60 ton jacks were $15 each. One worked fine once I filled it with oil..the other needed the ball replaced..again...50 cents And the balls need replacing because someone either left the cap off the refill hole or put moist hyd fluid inside it. The ball is at the bottom of the sump so it picks up all the water and stews in it. -- Stoop and you'll be stepped on; stand tall and you'll be shot at. -- Carlos A. Urbizo |
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On Sun, 01 Oct 2017 14:36:44 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote: On Fri, 29 Sep 2017 19:55:55 -0700, Larry Jaques wrote: On Fri, 29 Sep 2017 12:18:42 -0400, "Jim Wilkins" wrote: The Harbor Freight pin spanner is cheap enough to modify into a custom tool: https://www.harborfreight.com/adjust...nch-36554.html Wow, are those new? I've never seen that either in stores or advertised in their catalogs before, and I've been shopping HF since the mid '70s. Ive had a few of those kicking around from HF for years. They arent made all that well..but will occasionally work on angle grinders g Since I didn't have a spanner, my first angle grinder was serviced by a pair of drifts and some channel locks. Since then, I bought (HF $9.95 on sale, of course) 5/8-11 ended grinders and media which I can unscrew by hand. I much prefer the latter, though the original still works with existing media. -- Stoop and you'll be stepped on; stand tall and you'll be shot at. -- Carlos A. Urbizo |
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On Mon, 02 Oct 2017 06:16:21 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote: On Sun, 01 Oct 2017 16:14:39 -0700, Gunner Asch wrote: On Sun, 01 Oct 2017 11:11:14 -0700, Larry Jaques wrote: Let us know what works. I've never repaired a jack because grumble the repair kit (2 o-rings, a spring, and a ball, IIRC) always cost at least $2 more than an entire brand new freakin' jack. /grumble Then you are buying them at the wrong places. That's trying to find them locally. Anything in an industrial supply place starts at $40 and goes up from there. Or you get the "If you let us do the work, we won't charge for small parts like that." Now that there's a HFT store right here in town, that might shift. Never go to the industrial mega supply houses. Hell...buy an assortment on Ebay. http://www.ebay.com/itm/407pc-Univer...-/251874749265 http://www.ebay.com/itm/T23-419pc-Un...-/272074432350 They are cheap enough. This one is borderline on cheap..but handy. http://www.ebay.com/itm/900PC-O-Ring...-/202017465376 O rings are a quarter each until you get to 4"..the spring is a buck and the ball is 50 cents at Ace hardware. Cool. I've never thought to look for something like that at Ace. I knew that you could have hydraulic hoses or an o-ring made at NAPA Auto Parts, supergluing linear stock ends together. I have a number of places to buy o rings ...I often buy odd sizes at hydraulic shops. As I mentioned a couple years ago..my Clausing 1500 lthe hydraulic vari drive needed to be rebuilt. Clausing wanted $50 for the kit. I bought all the parts at Bakersfield Rubber Co for $5..and it included (2) complete kits. The $5 was the guy spending the time matching up the o-rings and seals. Shrug. I have on hand...about 3000 o-rings of every type, these days. Lots of them will never be used...though our roommate John found what he needed in the drawers when he rebuilt the engine on the Dodge Caravan when he recharged the A/C and one seal was leaking. Which is why Ive picked up most of my (23) jacks at yard sales for a couple bucks each. Humm...the (2) Blackhawk 60 ton jacks were $15 each. One worked fine once I filled it with oil..the other needed the ball replaced..again...50 cents And the balls need replacing because someone either left the cap off the refill hole or put moist hyd fluid inside it. The ball is at the bottom of the sump so it picks up all the water and stews in it. Ayup. Lots of times..I find jacks filled with motor oil. 2x..I found jacks filled with USED motor oil. Both came from the same yard sale..so Im assuming its all the guy had on hand. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus |
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Jim Wilkins wrote:
Suggesting solutions would be easier if we knew what machine tools you have available. The tool kit is fairly modest: 10" lathe, hand tools, files, drill and wrenches. Arc welder also, but it's more of a menace in my hands.... One addition to the kit is a leak test fixtu A fitting that allows me to connect the fluid fill hole to a bicycle pump and pressurize the reservoir with air. I _should_ have done that test first. This whole goose chase started when it looked like the two "outer tubes" in the parts diagram were leaking where they joined the "unit body". The air presure leak test suggests the leak is _not_ at the tube-to-body joints, but rather at the safety valve seal, item 14. If that's true, there's no need to completely dismantle the assembly; the pump and lift cylinder packings and safety valve port seal can be replaced without touching the two stuck fasteners. A spanner to tighten the pump packing with the piston installed is still necesssary, but not too hard to make.. At this stage it's probably wise to repeat the air pressure leak check a couple of times with soapy water as a tracer. The jack ought to have a vent somewhere in the system, which I haven't found. bob prohaska |
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On Mon, 02 Oct 2017 12:08:00 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote: On Mon, 02 Oct 2017 06:16:21 -0700, Larry Jaques wrote: On Sun, 01 Oct 2017 16:14:39 -0700, Gunner Asch wrote: On Sun, 01 Oct 2017 11:11:14 -0700, Larry Jaques wrote: Let us know what works. I've never repaired a jack because grumble the repair kit (2 o-rings, a spring, and a ball, IIRC) always cost at least $2 more than an entire brand new freakin' jack. /grumble Then you are buying them at the wrong places. That's trying to find them locally. Anything in an industrial supply place starts at $40 and goes up from there. Or you get the "If you let us do the work, we won't charge for small parts like that." Now that there's a HFT store right here in town, that might shift. Never go to the industrial mega supply houses. Hell...buy an assortment on Ebay. http://www.ebay.com/itm/407pc-Univer...-/251874749265 http://www.ebay.com/itm/T23-419pc-Un...-/272074432350 Better than the HF version I bought, by far. I have 20+ of those assortments from HF. O-rings, zinc steel screws, nuts, bolts, washers, body clips with screws, cotter pins, clevis pins, snap rings I and O, e-rings, roll pins, woodruff keys, stainless screws, springs, brass screws, allen head cap screws, set screws, auto fuses, hitch pins, eyebolts, brass inserts, hose clamps, etc. Love 'em. Whenever they go on sale at half price, I'm there to grab one. It's probably weekly that I grab something from one of them. Very handy. O rings are a quarter each until you get to 4"..the spring is a buck and the ball is 50 cents at Ace hardware. Cool. I've never thought to look for something like that at Ace. I knew that you could have hydraulic hoses or an o-ring made at NAPA Auto Parts, supergluing linear stock ends together. I have a number of places to buy o rings ...I often buy odd sizes at hydraulic shops. As I mentioned a couple years ago..my Clausing 1500 lthe hydraulic vari drive needed to be rebuilt. Clausing wanted $50 for the kit. I bought all the parts at Bakersfield Rubber Co for $5..and it included (2) complete kits. The $5 was the guy spending the time matching up the o-rings and seals. Shrug. That's great. I hate small-parts RAPE, and that's what most of this is. Early on, I found that you could get a 75% discount by buying a box of 100 instead of individual nuts, washers, and bolts, so I've been doing that ever since. Now I have a real stock of things I use most. Much better than going through a 25# jar of whatnot looking for the right piece of hardware like I used to do. Sasco Fasteners was 90% cheaper than Ace on some AHCS metrics, but they've since (4 years) -quintupled- in price. I don't know what happened, but I don't/won't shop there any more. I have on hand...about 3000 o-rings of every type, these days. Lots of them will never be used...though our roommate John found what he needed in the drawers when he rebuilt the engine on the Dodge Caravan when he recharged the A/C and one seal was leaking. Hah! That's a pretty good stock. Which is why Ive picked up most of my (23) jacks at yard sales for a couple bucks each. Humm...the (2) Blackhawk 60 ton jacks were $15 each. One worked fine once I filled it with oil..the other needed the ball replaced..again...50 cents And the balls need replacing because someone either left the cap off the refill hole or put moist hyd fluid inside it. The ball is at the bottom of the sump so it picks up all the water and stews in it. Ayup. Lots of times..I find jacks filled with motor oil. 2x..I found jacks filled with USED motor oil. Both came from the same yard sale..so Im assuming its all the guy had on hand. Shadetree Lives! sigh -- However beautiful the strategy, you should occasionally look at the results. -- Sir Winston Churchill |
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