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eclipse. car tint vs welders mask
Hello. I was wondering if 18% car tint would be the same as using a welders mask to use with my camera. I was thinking about putting it on my sun roof and having my camera under it. Do you think that would protect my camera from being damaged? Any suggestions would be appreciated.
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Ok I was just trying to figure out a way to take pics without killing my camera.
I did just pick up a UV filter lens for it. Would that help? I just don't want to take chances. Thank you |
eclipse. car tint vs welders mask
Thank you Jon.
I did find a multi coated UV Filter for my camera. I also have the glasses. I am going to do some more research on it to see if there is anything else I can do. If you come up with any ideas, please let me know. I'm not taking any chances with my eyes or my equipment. Have a great day. Misty |
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... On Fri, 18 Aug 2017 11:41:57 -0700 (PDT), wrote: Hello. I was wondering if 18% car tint would be the same as using a welders mask to use with my camera. I was thinking about putting it on my sun roof and having my camera under it. Do you think that would protect my camera from being damaged? Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thank you Not a chance. 18% transmission vs recommended less than 1% 2 #9 welding filters stacked gets close - I can JUST see the LED light on my blackberry through them. A 9 and a 10 together are dark enough to be safe.Not sure how much you will see through them. The #5 + #10 I have makes the sun appear about as bright as the full moon. BTW auto-darkening helmets won't stay dark without the flicker of an arc. I check if my Jackman is on by aiming it toward the sun and waving my glove in front of it. It only darkens momentarily. -jsw |
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Hello. I was wondering if 18% car tint would be the same as using a welders mask to use with my camera. I was thinking about putting it on my sun roof and having my camera under it. Do you think that would protect my camera from being damaged? Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thank you Not even close! https://eclipse2017.nasa.gov/how-mak...pse-sun-viewer http://boyslife.org/hobbies-projects...clipse-viewer/ http://www.npr.org/2017/08/17/543633...eclipse-viewer https://www.bhphotovideo.com/explora...-solar-eclipse Welding shade 12-14 works. but unless you can find it locally shipping isn't going to work unless you pay a LOT extra. -- Steve W. |
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On 08/18/2017 05:36 PM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
BTW auto-darkening helmets won't stay dark without the flicker of an arc. Get creative. Watch the sun with a spinning fan in front of your auto-darkening filter. (Sounds to me like a good way to go blind _and_ get a headache too. Of course YMMV.) -- Bob Nichols AT comcast.net I am "RNichols42" |
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in message ... On 08/18/2017 05:36 PM, Jim Wilkins wrote: BTW auto-darkening helmets won't stay dark without the flicker of an arc. Get creative. Watch the sun with a spinning fan in front of your auto-darkening filter. (Sounds to me like a good way to go blind _and_ get a headache too. Of course YMMV.) -- Bob Nichols AT comcast.net I am "RNichols42" Sure. Walk around wearing a welding helmet and propellor beanie and tell people they protect you against dangerous rays from outer space. |
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On Fri, 18 Aug 2017 18:36:43 -0400, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote: wrote in message .. . On Fri, 18 Aug 2017 11:41:57 -0700 (PDT), wrote: Hello. I was wondering if 18% car tint would be the same as using a welders mask to use with my camera. I was thinking about putting it on my sun roof and having my camera under it. Do you think that would protect my camera from being damaged? Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thank you Not a chance. 18% transmission vs recommended less than 1% 2 #9 welding filters stacked gets close - I can JUST see the LED light on my blackberry through them. A 9 and a 10 together are dark enough to be safe.Not sure how much you will see through them. The #5 + #10 I have makes the sun appear about as bright as the full moon. I checked both 5+9 and 5+10, both are totally inadequate. A 9+10 looks pretty good. BTW auto-darkening helmets won't stay dark without the flicker of an arc. I check if my Jackman is on by aiming it toward the sun and waving my glove in front of it. It only darkens momentarily. -jsw |
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On Fri, 18 Aug 2017 18:45:25 -0400, "Steve W."
wrote: wrote: Hello. I was wondering if 18% car tint would be the same as using a welders mask to use with my camera. I was thinking about putting it on my sun roof and having my camera under it. Do you think that would protect my camera from being damaged? Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thank you Not even close! https://eclipse2017.nasa.gov/how-mak...pse-sun-viewer http://boyslife.org/hobbies-projects...clipse-viewer/ http://www.npr.org/2017/08/17/543633...eclipse-viewer https://www.bhphotovideo.com/explora...-solar-eclipse Welding shade 12-14 works. but unless you can find it locally shipping isn't going to work unless you pay a LOT extra. Why would you buy it online when every local welding supply shop will have it available - if not in stock, for next day delivery at no extra cost. |
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On Fri, 18 Aug 2017 11:56:21 -0700 (PDT),
wrote: Ok I was just trying to figure out a way to take pics without killing my camera. I did just pick up a UV filter lens for it. Would that help? I just don't want to take chances. Thank you I have fabricated a bracket to hold stacked welding filters in front of my camera lens. If you don't have time nor the facilities to do that you can hand-hold the filter over the lens. John John DeArmond http://www.neon-john.com http://www.tnduction.com Tellico Plains, Occupied TN See website for email address |
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On Fri, 18 Aug 2017 22:25:03 -0700, mike wrote:
On 8/18/2017 2:22 PM, wrote: Thank you Jon. I did find a multi coated UV Filter for my camera. I also have the glasses. I am going to do some more research on it to see if there is anything else I can do. If you come up with any ideas, please let me know. I'm not taking any chances with my eyes or my equipment. Have a great day. Misty Turn on your damn TV. Or login to any number of websites. You'll find eclipse pictures better than you can take. And you won't blow out your eyes setting up your camera. I can't understand why people who are concerned about damaging their camera are willing to risk their eyesight on possibly the most risky situation they'll ever encounter. Are two minutes of, "ok that's dark" worth risking a lifetime of, "everything's dark?" Stay home and turn on your TV. I don't have a TV and the photos I take will have MY copyright on them with no restrictions on how I use them. This shows the unfortunate part of the pervasiveness of the net. Such over-wrought posts get distributed wildly. During the last total eclipse - 1978 or thereabouts - there was none of this kind of hysteria. The instructions were simple: Don't look directly at the sun without protection. Don't rely on sun glasses. Welding filters or fully exposed B&W film are adequately dense. Don't look at the sun with any magnification regardless of the presence of outlet filters. No mass casualties afterward. Misty: Your UV filter will do nothing to attenuate the brightness of the sun in the visible spectrum. It's probably too late now to get them but welding filters are wonderful. I fabricated a bracket to hold a stack of them in front of my camera lens. I use a stack of filters, both to fine-tune the density and to still have protection if one failed. With the old glass filters, there was a risk of cracking from the heat. Most (all?) filters are now made of plastic which won't crack. If the front one were to start melting, I would notice that as the image on my camera start to brighten. I have tested my setup extensively with the clear-sky sun and it works perfectly. If you have a point and shoot camera, a filter out of the cheap viewing glasses (ISO, UL and ANSI approval vital to separate out the fakes) can be held in front of your lens. My viewing glasses are a little dark for good photography but if you put your camera on a tripod so you can use a slow shutter speed, it should work well enough. John John DeArmond http://www.neon-john.com http://www.tnduction.com Tellico Plains, Occupied TN See website for email address |
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On 08/18/2017 05:36 PM, Jim Wilkins wrote: BTW auto-darkening helmets won't stay dark without the flicker of an arc. BS! In my lab I view induction-heated materials (boiling copper for example) with my Northern Tool-purchased automatic welding hood. The glow from white hot materials is about as steady as one could create. Second example: A DCRP TIG welding arc does not flicker. Again a steady and uniform glow. Third example: I've used my hood to look at the sun. The first time I held a welding filter in front of the hood just in case it wouldn't get dense enough. It did. John John DeArmond http://www.neon-john.com http://www.tnduction.com Tellico Plains, Occupied TN See website for email address |
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"Neon John" wrote in message
... On 08/18/2017 05:36 PM, Jim Wilkins wrote: BTW auto-darkening helmets won't stay dark without the flicker of an arc. BS! In my lab I view induction-heated materials (boiling copper for example) with my Northern Tool-purchased automatic welding hood. The glow from white hot materials is about as steady as one could create. Second example: A DCRP TIG welding arc does not flicker. Again a steady and uniform glow. Third example: I've used my hood to look at the sun. The first time I held a welding filter in front of the hood just in case it wouldn't get dense enough. It did. John John DeArmond http://www.neon-john.com http://www.tnduction.com Tellico Plains, Occupied TN See website for email address This Jackman EQC Professional stays dark in the sun with Sensitivity at or near HI. At the lower settings I had it on before it turns off about a second after waving my hand over it with Delay at Max. I don't have any other brands to test. -jsw |
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On Fri, 18 Aug 2017 18:45:25 -0400, "Steve W." wrote: wrote: Hello. I was wondering if 18% car tint would be the same as using a welders mask to use with my camera. I was thinking about putting it on my sun roof and having my camera under it. Do you think that would protect my camera from being damaged? Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thank you Not even close! https://eclipse2017.nasa.gov/how-mak...pse-sun-viewer http://boyslife.org/hobbies-projects...clipse-viewer/ http://www.npr.org/2017/08/17/543633...eclipse-viewer https://www.bhphotovideo.com/explora...-solar-eclipse Welding shade 12-14 works. but unless you can find it locally shipping isn't going to work unless you pay a LOT extra. Why would you buy it online when every local welding supply shop will have it available - if not in stock, for next day delivery at no extra cost. None of the shops around me have anything over 12 in stock, 13-14 are special order. That's why I posted that. -- Steve W. |
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On 2017-08-18, wrote:
Thank you Jon. I did find a multi coated UV Filter for my camera. I also have the glasses. A UV filter won't do much for what comes through the atmosphere from the sun. The (eclipse) glasses will. I am going to do some more research on it to see if there is anything else I can do. What kind of camera and lens? If just a small digital camera with a lens no bigger than the maximum circle you can superimpose over a single eclipse glasses lens, just hold it in front. If a larger zoom lens, make an opaque sheet (aluminum would. be nice), with a hole to match the eclipse glasses lens, and large enough to cover the full diameter of the camera lens. Paint the aluminum side towards the camera lens with a flat black pain. If you have a mirror telephoto, do the same but make the hole off-center so it is over part of the clear area of the front element of the lens. A central hole will be blocked by the mirror mount. This will let through less light than you would want for your camera if it were the same sensitivity as your eyes, but most digital cameras can automatically switch to much greater sensitivity than the daytime sensitivity of your eyes. A true digital SLR camera will only expose the sensor for the very short time the shutter is open. The kind of digital camera which uses the display as a viewfinder has the sensor exposed almost full time, and it is more likely to be damaged if the light is not sufficiently reduced. If you come up with any ideas, please let me know. I'm not taking any chances with my eyes or my equipment. If you're thinking of using a UV filter for either the camera or your eyes, you *are* taking chances with them. None of this is certain, as I don't know your camera (nor your eyes, actually). Have a great day. Misty Good Luck, DoN. -- Remove oil spill source from e-mail Email: | (KV4PH) Voice (all times): (703) 938-4564 (too) near Washington D.C. | http://www.d-and-d.com/dnichols/DoN.html --- Black Holes are where God is dividing by zero --- |
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On 8/19/2017 6:48 AM, Neon John wrote:
On Fri, 18 Aug 2017 22:25:03 -0700, mike wrote: On 8/18/2017 2:22 PM, wrote: Thank you Jon. I did find a multi coated UV Filter for my camera. I also have the glasses. I am going to do some more research on it to see if there is anything else I can do. If you come up with any ideas, please let me know. I'm not taking any chances with my eyes or my equipment. Have a great day. Misty Turn on your damn TV. Or login to any number of websites. You'll find eclipse pictures better than you can take. And you won't blow out your eyes setting up your camera. I can't understand why people who are concerned about damaging their camera are willing to risk their eyesight on possibly the most risky situation they'll ever encounter. Are two minutes of, "ok that's dark" worth risking a lifetime of, "everything's dark?" Stay home and turn on your TV. I don't have a TV and the photos I take will have MY copyright on them with no restrictions on how I use them. Interesting. You think your pictures are so much better than the zillion that will be posted on the web that you need to protect them? You do have a computer, right? This shows the unfortunate part of the pervasiveness of the net. Such over-wrought posts get distributed wildly. During the last total eclipse - 1978 or thereabouts - there was none of this kind of hysteria. The instructions were simple: Don't look directly at the sun without protection. Don't rely on sun glasses. Welding filters or fully exposed B&W film are adequately dense. You never know what to believe on the web, but it's been stated that exposed film filters out the visible, but is not protection against eclipse viewing. YMMV. Don't look at the sun with any magnification regardless of the presence of outlet filters. No mass casualties afterward. Misty: Your UV filter will do nothing to attenuate the brightness of the sun in the visible spectrum. It's probably too late now to get them but welding filters are wonderful. I fabricated a bracket to hold a stack of them in front of my camera lens. I use a stack of filters, both to fine-tune the density and to still have protection if one failed. With the old glass filters, there was a risk of cracking from the heat. Most (all?) filters are now made of plastic which won't crack. If the front one were to start melting, I would notice that as the image on my camera start to brighten. I have tested my setup extensively with the clear-sky sun and it works perfectly. If you have a point and shoot camera, a filter out of the cheap viewing glasses (ISO, UL and ANSI approval vital to separate out the fakes) OK just how is joe sixpack gonna tell if his glasses are approved? Amazon, among other vendors have recalled counterfeit glasses. Just because someone stenciled approval words on the package doesn't mean that I'd risk my eyesight on 'em. Anywhere there's a buck to be made, people will take advantage. Poor joe sixpack won't figger it out till he starts having vision problems. can be held in front of your lens. My viewing glasses are a little dark for good photography but if you put your camera on a tripod so you can use a slow shutter speed, it should work well enough. John John DeArmond http://www.neon-john.com http://www.tnduction.com Tellico Plains, Occupied TN See website for email address |
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On Sat, 19 Aug 2017 21:26:05 -0700, mike wrote:
I don't have a TV and the photos I take will have MY copyright on them with no restrictions on how I use them. Interesting. You think your pictures are so much better than the zillion that will be posted on the web that you need to protect them? You do have a computer, right? Quite the contrary. I know my pictures will not be the best because I didn't spend a zillion bucks on the setup. The important thing is that I own the shot and can therefore do anything I want with them. Including publishing them on my website with a Creative Commons mark so anyone can use them. OK just how is joe sixpack gonna tell if his glasses are approved? Well, the ones I bought have all the approval stamps printed on the insides of the earpieces. And they came from a reputable source. Do you weld? If so, how do you know that your welding filters are authentic? After all, a stick-welding arc is as bright as the sun and you DO stare at that light source for long periods of time. At some point, you just gotta trust the approvals listed on quality name-brand parts. John John DeArmond http://www.neon-john.com http://www.tnduction.com Tellico Plains, Occupied TN See website for email address |
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On 2017-08-20, Neon John wrote:
OK just how is joe sixpack gonna tell if his glasses are approved? Well, the ones I bought have all the approval stamps printed on the insides of the earpieces. And they came from a reputable source. The test to see if the solar glasses work is a very easy test. 1) Look at the sun -- you should see it and be comfortable 2) Look at other bright objects, such as a clear incandescent light bulb, you should at worst barely see the burning filament. |
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On Fri, 18 Aug 2017 11:41:57 -0700 (PDT),
wrote: Hello. I was wondering if 18% car tint would be the same as using a welders mask to use with my camera. I was thinking about putting it on my sun roof and having my camera under it. Do you think that would protect my camera from being damaged? Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thank you Blink...blink... No. Not the same. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus |
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On Fri, 18 Aug 2017 22:25:03 -0700, mike wrote:
On 8/18/2017 2:22 PM, wrote: Thank you Jon. I did find a multi coated UV Filter for my camera. I also have the glasses. I am going to do some more research on it to see if there is anything else I can do. If you come up with any ideas, please let me know. I'm not taking any chances with my eyes or my equipment. Have a great day. Misty Turn on your damn TV. Or login to any number of websites. You'll find eclipse pictures better than you can take. And you won't blow out your eyes setting up your camera. I can't understand why people who are concerned about damaging their camera are willing to risk their eyesight on possibly the most risky situation they'll ever encounter. Are two minutes of, "ok that's dark" worth risking a lifetime of, "everything's dark?" Stay home and turn on your TV. VERY! well stated! Bravo!! Ill NOT be risking any of my optics on the eclipse..nor my eyes. Being able to say "I took this photo" which looks like millions of other photos...really isnt worth it to me Gunner --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus |
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On Sat, 19 Aug 2017 21:26:05 -0700, mike wrote:
On 8/19/2017 6:48 AM, Neon John wrote: On Fri, 18 Aug 2017 22:25:03 -0700, mike wrote: On 8/18/2017 2:22 PM, wrote: Thank you Jon. I did find a multi coated UV Filter for my camera. I also have the glasses. I am going to do some more research on it to see if there is anything else I can do. If you come up with any ideas, please let me know. I'm not taking any chances with my eyes or my equipment. Have a great day. Misty Turn on your damn TV. Or login to any number of websites. You'll find eclipse pictures better than you can take. And you won't blow out your eyes setting up your camera. I can't understand why people who are concerned about damaging their camera are willing to risk their eyesight on possibly the most risky situation they'll ever encounter. Are two minutes of, "ok that's dark" worth risking a lifetime of, "everything's dark?" Stay home and turn on your TV. I don't have a TV and the photos I take will have MY copyright on them with no restrictions on how I use them. Interesting. You think your pictures are so much better than the zillion that will be posted on the web that you need to protect them? You do have a computer, right? Yes, unique, too. :/ OK just how is joe sixpack gonna tell if his glasses are approved? Only your local ER doctor will know for sure. - I am a Transfinancial--A rich person born in a poor person's body. Please stop the hate by sending me money to resolve my money identity disorder. --anon |
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