How do I properly use an electrical demagnitizer?
On Saturday, July 15, 2017 at 6:18:53 AM UTC-4, Gunner Asch wrote:
I picked one of these up this week and dont really know the proper way to use it. https://cdn.globalauctionplatform.co...d4/540x360.jpg Its an Ideal 13-001 demagnitizer. Thanks Gunner --- Try searching on " Ideal 13-001 demgnitizer " I found more than I care to copy and paste. Dan |
How do I properly use an electrical demagnitizer?
On Sat, 15 Jul 2017 05:24:50 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote: On Saturday, July 15, 2017 at 6:18:53 AM UTC-4, Gunner Asch wrote: I picked one of these up this week and dont really know the proper way to use it. https://cdn.globalauctionplatform.co...d4/540x360.jpg Its an Ideal 13-001 demagnitizer. Thanks Gunner --- Try searching on " Ideal 13-001 demgnitizer " I found more than I care to copy and paste. Dan I did..for a full 30 minutes before posting the question here. No data on that unit other than photos. Was the misspelling intentional..or accidental "demgnitzer" ? Gunner --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus |
How do I properly use an electrical demagnitizer?
On Sat, 15 Jul 2017 09:18:03 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote: On Sat, 15 Jul 2017 05:24:50 -0700 (PDT), " wrote: On Saturday, July 15, 2017 at 6:18:53 AM UTC-4, Gunner Asch wrote: I picked one of these up this week and dont really know the proper way to use it. https://cdn.globalauctionplatform.co...d4/540x360.jpg Its an Ideal 13-001 demagnitizer. Thanks Gunner --- Try searching on " Ideal 13-001 demgnitizer " I found more than I care to copy and paste. Dan I did..for a full 30 minutes before posting the question here. No data on that unit other than photos. Was the misspelling intentional..or accidental "demgnitzer" ? You have to ask? g https://www.google.com/search?num=50...l+demagnetizer From the Walker surface demagnetizer page: "Plate Type Demagnetizers are ideal for tool room use to demagnetize drills, cutters, ball and roller bearings, etc. The part is demagnetized by sliding it smoothly and slowly over the top of the plate, passing it clear of the demagnetizing field. The flat surface allows easy demagnetization of bulk packed nails, drills, screws, and welded parts." Search time: 5 secs Site review time: 5 minutes Post time: 1 minute Beat you by 5x, buddy. titter - If ever the Time should come, when vain and aspiring Men shall possess the highest Seats in Government, our Country will stand in Need of its experienced Patriots to prevent its Ruin. -- Samuel Adams |
How do I properly use an electrical demagnitizer?
On 7/15/2017 9:18 AM, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Sat, 15 Jul 2017 05:24:50 -0700 (PDT), " wrote: On Saturday, July 15, 2017 at 6:18:53 AM UTC-4, Gunner Asch wrote: I picked one of these up this week and dont really know the proper way to use it. https://cdn.globalauctionplatform.co...d4/540x360.jpg Its an Ideal 13-001 demagnitizer. Thanks Gunner --- Try searching on " Ideal 13-001 demgnitizer " I found more than I care to copy and paste. Dan I did..for a full 30 minutes before posting the question here. No data on that unit other than photos. Was the misspelling intentional..or accidental "demgnitzer" ? Gunner I can't wait for WhoYaKidding to give you some instruction in how to use this worthless piece of clutter you've picked up. |
How do I properly use an electrical demagnitizer?
On 7/15/2017 9:18 AM, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Sat, 15 Jul 2017 05:24:50 -0700 (PDT), " wrote: On Saturday, July 15, 2017 at 6:18:53 AM UTC-4, Gunner Asch wrote: I picked one of these up this week and dont really know the proper way to use it. https://cdn.globalauctionplatform.co...d4/540x360.jpg Its an Ideal 13-001 demagnitizer. Thanks Gunner --- Try searching on " Ideal 13-001 demgnitizer " I found more than I care to copy and paste. Dan I did..for a full 30 minutes before posting the question here. No data on that unit other than photos. Was the misspelling intentional..or accidental "demgnitzer" ? You misspelled it as well, you ****wit: the root word is *magnet*, not "magnit", so "demagnitizer" is wrong. Anyway, if you spell the word correctly, how-to hits jump off the page at you. Here's one: http://www.practicalmachinist.com/vb...etizer-235902/ Don't say I never did anything nice for you, asshole. |
How do I properly use an electrical demagnitizer?
On Sat, 15 Jul 2017 10:47:23 -0700, Rudy Canoza
wrote: On 7/15/2017 9:18 AM, Gunner Asch wrote: On Sat, 15 Jul 2017 05:24:50 -0700 (PDT), " wrote: On Saturday, July 15, 2017 at 6:18:53 AM UTC-4, Gunner Asch wrote: I picked one of these up this week and dont really know the proper way to use it. https://cdn.globalauctionplatform.co...d4/540x360.jpg Its an Ideal 13-001 demagnitizer. Thanks Gunner --- Try searching on " Ideal 13-001 demgnitizer " I found more than I care to copy and paste. Dan I did..for a full 30 minutes before posting the question here. No data on that unit other than photos. Was the misspelling intentional..or accidental "demgnitzer" ? Gunner I can't wait for WhoYaKidding to give you some instruction in how to use this worthless piece of clutter you've picked up. He should interface it with the Snap-on diagnostic tool he recently rescued from the dumpster to hoarded. Had a laugh about him planning "to magnitize things, like screw drivers and so forth." Oh well, it gives him something new to talk about. Hard to tell if he purposely tries to avoid being productive, or if that's just another symptom of his defective brain. |
How do I properly use an electrical demagnitizer?
On 7/15/2017 12:11 PM, Nashville Cats wrote:
On Sat, 15 Jul 2017 10:47:23 -0700, Rudy Canoza wrote: On 7/15/2017 9:18 AM, Gunner Asch wrote: On Sat, 15 Jul 2017 05:24:50 -0700 (PDT), " wrote: On Saturday, July 15, 2017 at 6:18:53 AM UTC-4, Gunner Asch wrote: I picked one of these up this week and dont really know the proper way to use it. https://cdn.globalauctionplatform.co...d4/540x360.jpg Its an Ideal 13-001 demagnitizer. Thanks Gunner --- Try searching on " Ideal 13-001 demgnitizer " I found more than I care to copy and paste. Dan I did..for a full 30 minutes before posting the question here. No data on that unit other than photos. Was the misspelling intentional..or accidental "demgnitzer" ? Gunner I can't wait for WhoYaKidding to give you some instruction in how to use this worthless piece of clutter you've picked up. He should interface it with the Snap-on diagnostic tool he recently rescued from the dumpster to hoarded. Had a laugh about him planning "to magnitize things, like screw drivers and so forth." Oh well, it gives him something new to talk about. Hard to tell if he purposely tries to avoid being productive, or if that's just another symptom of his defective brain. At some point, it becomes hard to distinguish between nature and nurture. |
How do I properly use an electrical demagnitizer?
On Saturday, July 15, 2017 at 3:11:07 PM UTC-4, Nashville Cats wrote:
Had a laugh about him planning "to magnitize things, like screw drivers and so forth." Well the laugh is on you. Some demagnetizers can also magnetise things. Dan |
How do I properly use an electrical demagnitizer?
On Sat, 15 Jul 2017 18:26:30 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote: On Saturday, July 15, 2017 at 3:11:07 PM UTC-4, Nashville Cats wrote: Had a laugh about him planning "to magnitize things, like screw drivers and so forth." Well the laugh is on you. Some demagnetizers can also magnetise things. Dan One hardly needs a device to magnetize screwdrivers, and the laugh's on you for needing to be told that. http://www.homedepot.com/p/MASTER-MA...6424/203613158 Besides, I'm faaaairyly certain that the ability to magnetize screwdrivers won't do anything to help Wieber catch up on his rent. Man, you sure can be counted on to jump in to defend the deadbeat's dumb decisions... again and again. |
How do I properly use an electrical demagnitizer?
On Sat, 15 Jul 2017 10:36:52 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote: On Sat, 15 Jul 2017 09:18:03 -0700, Gunner Asch wrote: On Sat, 15 Jul 2017 05:24:50 -0700 (PDT), " wrote: On Saturday, July 15, 2017 at 6:18:53 AM UTC-4, Gunner Asch wrote: I picked one of these up this week and dont really know the proper way to use it. https://cdn.globalauctionplatform.co...d4/540x360.jpg Its an Ideal 13-001 demagnitizer. Thanks Gunner --- Try searching on " Ideal 13-001 demgnitizer " I found more than I care to copy and paste. Dan I did..for a full 30 minutes before posting the question here. No data on that unit other than photos. Was the misspelling intentional..or accidental "demgnitzer" ? You have to ask? g https://www.google.com/search?num=50...l+demagnetizer From the Walker surface demagnetizer page: "Plate Type Demagnetizers are ideal for tool room use to demagnetize drills, cutters, ball and roller bearings, etc. The part is demagnetized by sliding it smoothly and slowly over the top of the plate, passing it clear of the demagnetizing field. The flat surface allows easy demagnetization of bulk packed nails, drills, screws, and welded parts." Search time: 5 secs Site review time: 5 minutes Post time: 1 minute Beat you by 5x, buddy. titter "plate type demagnitizers" that was not for this PARTICULAR 3 module magnitizer. I was asking about the Ideal 13-001 demagnitizer..not "generic plate demagnitizer" titter So tell me..what are the (3) modules used for? There is "NO" plate on this unit. There are (3) metal gizmos protruding from a plastic cover. And how are they used and for what reason? the 2 small end modules are used differently than the larger center module? titter How are they used? titter And so forth. titter This is a plate demagnitizer http://www.shars.com/files/products/...2-1170Main.jpg This is what I own: https://cdn.globalauctionplatform.co...d4/540x360.jpg Plate? titter Thank you for your kind commentary however. titter --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus |
How do I properly use an electrical demagnitizer?
On Sat, 15 Jul 2017 18:26:30 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote: On Saturday, July 15, 2017 at 3:11:07 PM UTC-4, Nashville Cats wrote: Had a laugh about him planning "to magnitize things, like screw drivers and so forth." Well the laugh is on you. Some demagnetizers can also magnetise things. Dan Actually..this one does a fair job of magnizing, once I figured out how its done. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus |
How do I properly use an electrical demagnitizer?
On Saturday, July 15, 2017 at 10:00:28 PM UTC-4, Nashville Cats wrote:
Man, you sure can be counted on to jump in to defend the deadbeat's dumb decisions... again and again. You certainly have poor insight. I did not jump in to defend anyone, I just pointed out your ignorance. Dan |
How do I properly use an electrical demagnitizer?
On Sun, 16 Jul 2017 04:42:29 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote: On Saturday, July 15, 2017 at 10:00:28 PM UTC-4, Nashville Cats wrote: Man, you sure can be counted on to jump in to defend the deadbeat's dumb decisions... again and again. You certainly have poor insight. I did not jump in to defend anyone, I just pointed out your ignorance. Except there was no ignorance from me. You pretended there was so that you could mount your usual sideways defense of anything Wieber, no matter how ridiculous. I ask again, how much is your life like Wieber's that you need to whine every time he gets kicked? In this case, I'm guessing that you, just like Wieber, had no idea that screwdrivers are easily magnetized. |
How do I properly use an electrical demagnitizer?
On Sat, 15 Jul 2017 23:52:50 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote: On Sat, 15 Jul 2017 10:36:52 -0700, Larry Jaques wrote: On Sat, 15 Jul 2017 09:18:03 -0700, Gunner Asch wrote: On Sat, 15 Jul 2017 05:24:50 -0700 (PDT), " wrote: On Saturday, July 15, 2017 at 6:18:53 AM UTC-4, Gunner Asch wrote: I picked one of these up this week and dont really know the proper way to use it. https://cdn.globalauctionplatform.co...d4/540x360.jpg Its an Ideal 13-001 demagnitizer. Thanks Gunner --- Try searching on " Ideal 13-001 demgnitizer " I found more than I care to copy and paste. Dan I did..for a full 30 minutes before posting the question here. No data on that unit other than photos. Was the misspelling intentional..or accidental "demgnitzer" ? You have to ask? g https://www.google.com/search?num=50...l+demagnetizer From the Walker surface demagnetizer page: "Plate Type Demagnetizers are ideal for tool room use to demagnetize drills, cutters, ball and roller bearings, etc. The part is demagnetized by sliding it smoothly and slowly over the top of the plate, passing it clear of the demagnetizing field. The flat surface allows easy demagnetization of bulk packed nails, drills, screws, and welded parts." Search time: 5 secs Site review time: 5 minutes Post time: 1 minute Beat you by 5x, buddy. titter "plate type demagnitizers" that was not for this PARTICULAR 3 module magnitizer. I was asking about the Ideal 13-001 demagnitizer..not "generic plate demagnitizer" titter It's not like I sent a link to an aircraft rudder system when you asked for directions on steering a modern car. So tell me..what are the (3) modules used for? There is "NO" plate on this unit. There are (3) metal gizmos protruding from a plastic cover. The default picture from eBay led me to believe that it was a plate type, hence the link to walker. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ideal-13-005...-/111618197553 And how are they used and for what reason? Best guess: E lamination shape. the 2 small end modules are used differently than the larger center module? titter The unicorn juice goes in the big one and comes out the two little ones, of course. How are they used? titter Try putting the tool directly on top of a node and slowly slide it off. How well does it work? Now try another one between the nodes. How well does that work? Are you aware of how demagnetizers work? (and if not, why not, yet?) Play with it to get to know it. Make it magnetize tools, then demagnetize them. This is supposed to be fun. It'a a new tool, mon! And so forth. titter Question: Did you try it? Did you turn it on and play with it before seeing that it was a plate type (still guessing here)? And after I sent that link did you try the Walker method? And what did you find? This is a plate demagnitizer http://www.shars.com/files/products/...2-1170Main.jpg This is what I own: https://cdn.globalauctionplatform.co...d4/540x360.jpg Plate? Uh, yeah? Thank you for your kind commentary however. titter My GoogleFu is strong. I sense a mild irritation at that, ol' buddy. chortle - If ever the Time should come, when vain and aspiring Men shall possess the highest Seats in Government, our Country will stand in Need of its experienced Patriots to prevent its Ruin. -- Samuel Adams |
How do I properly use an electrical demagnitizer?
On Sunday, July 16, 2017 at 9:35:04 AM UTC-4, Nashville Cats wrote:
Except there was no ignorance from me. You pretended there was so that you could mount your usual sideways defense of anything Wieber, no matter how ridiculous. I ask again, how much is your life like Wieber's that you need to whine every time he gets kicked? In this case, I'm guessing that you, just like Wieber, had no idea that screwdrivers are easily magnetized. Well all the readers of RCM knows that you thought that a]l demagnetiser's could not also magnetise. That is your ignorance. You also rummaged around on the internet and found a dinky thing at Home Depot as if that is comparable to an industrial demagnetiser. I would like to see you using that Home Depot item to demagnitise things ground on a surface grinder. But if you are so knowledgeable how about letting us knew what metal working you have done lately. My wife decided that our propane fired grill was no good and so I picked up a Webber grill at a tag sale. So now have to light the charcoal. So made a charcoal chimney out of misc stuff I already had. I made it in two parts. The bottom part is made from some stainless tubing with some stainless welding rod to make a grate in the bottom of the tubing. And used some stainless all thread and some wood to make a handle. I did not have any more stainless for the upper stack, but did have an electric motor frame. So drilled out the spot welds to get just the cylinder and welded three bolts so it would sit down in the bottom bit and rest on the bolts. Works pretty well, but is a bit heavier than necessary. Works good , last a long time. My life is simple as I am retired and just do things for fun. Dan |
How do I properly use an electrical demagnitizer?
On Sun, 16 Jul 2017 11:17:29 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote: On Sunday, July 16, 2017 at 9:35:04 AM UTC-4, Nashville Cats wrote: Except there was no ignorance from me. You pretended there was so that you could mount your usual sideways defense of anything Wieber, no matter how ridiculous. I ask again, how much is your life like Wieber's that you need to whine every time he gets kicked? In this case, I'm guessing that you, just like Wieber, had no idea that screwdrivers are easily magnetized. Well all the readers of RCM knows that you thought that a]l demagnetiser's could not also magnetise. No, you made that up, because that's what dopes with nothing useful to say, are wont to do. That is your ignorance. You also rummaged around on the internet and found a dinky thing at Home Depot as if that is comparable to an industrial demagnetiser. No. I've had perhaps a dozen different magnetizers over the years. The Home Depot link showed the most common type one sees these days, which is so prolific that it isn't worth rummaging around for a speaker magnet or whatever to do the job. If I had anything that didn't fit in my magnetizer, I'd use the magnetic parts bin that lives on the side of my hoist. I would like to see you using that Home Depot item to demagnitise things ground on a surface grinder. Wieber only said that he wanted to magnetize "screw drivers and so forth." The "so forth" means that he can't even think of anything else he's going to use his new treasure for. He bought it because in lieu of being self sufficient, and as a diversion from the reality of his trailer trash life, he likes hoarding tons of crap, especially crap he can waste time talking about endlessly. Now all his screwdrivers are magnetized, and will turn into metal shard furballs the first time he lays them near any grinding job. On second thought, I don't think that will be a problem for him because if he was doing any real work, he'd have learned long ago that magnetizing all his screwdrivers is even dumber than wasting his money on a demagnetizer to do the job. But if you are so knowledgeable how about letting us knew what metal working you have done lately. Why would I do that? I've posted a half dozen projects lately in a place that kicks nitwits like you and Wieber out to places like this one. Now, I know you'll say I'm making that up. But your problem with that approach is that a couple months ago I sent a link to one of those posts to Huntress, which he can use to search all my dozens of posts on that site if he likes. Maybe he'll back me up. And then you'll apologize. LOL Just kidding, I know you'll make up something new. My wife decided that our propane fired grill was no good and so I picked up a Webber grill at a tag sale. So now have to light the charcoal. So made a charcoal chimney out of misc stuff I already had. My life is simple as I am retired and just do things for fun. Apparently you find it "fun" to repeatedly put words in others' mouths, and that's all you've done here, as usual. |
How do I properly use an electrical demagnitizer?
On Sat, 15 Jul 2017 23:52:50 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote: https://cdn.globalauctionplatform.co...d4/540x360.jpg That's easy. That's an E-core type demagnetizer. Imagine an E laid on its back so the legs poke upward. The coil is wound on the center, larger leg. If at any instant in time the center leg is north polarity, the three legs will be S-N-S. So you have two magnetic loops in which to insert something to be demagnetized. To demagnetize something, energize the unit and move it between the center pole and either of the outside legs. Move it slowly and in several directions. Slowly move it an arm's length away before cutting power. To magnetize something, place it on the center pole or between poles and interrupt the current at its peak. This will require some custom electronics. Three approaches. A peak switching solid state switch using 60hz line voltage, a capacitor discharge device that switches a high joule capacitor across the coil or a peak firing SCR (silicon controlled rectifier). The most effective would be a capacitor discharge unit. An MSD MS-6AL racing ignition box and a 12 volt magnet would do the job unmodified. Easiest and least expensive would be a heavy duty lamp dimmer with the TRIAC replaced with an SCR so that it only fires on half the 60 cycles. I can tell you how to do it either way. I'd prefer the MSD racing box. Here are what the boxes look like in order of preference. https://www.summitracing.com/parts/msd-6201 https://www.summitracing.com/parts/msd-5520 Though not made anymore, the old analog MSD-6A would work perfectly. You should be able to find one at any auto swap meet or on sleazebay. John John DeArmond http://www.neon-john.com http://www.tnduction.com Tellico Plains, Occupied TN See website for email address |
How do I properly use an electrical demagnitizer?
On 7/15/2017 11:54 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Sat, 15 Jul 2017 18:26:30 -0700 (PDT), " wrote: On Saturday, July 15, 2017 at 3:11:07 PM UTC-4, Nashville Cats wrote: Had a laugh about him planning "to magnitize things, like screw drivers and so forth." Well the laugh is on you. Some demagnetizers can also magnetise things. Dan Actually..this one does a fair job of magnizing, [sic] Of doing what? |
How do I properly use an electrical demagnitizer?
On Sunday, July 16, 2017 at 3:24:07 PM UTC-4, Nashville Cats wrote:
Why would I do that? I've posted a half dozen projects lately in a place that kicks nitwits like you and Wieber out to places like this one. Now, I know you'll say I'm making that up. But your problem with that approach is that a couple months ago I sent a link to one of those posts to Huntress, which he can use to search all my dozens of posts on that site if he likes. Maybe he'll back me up. And then you'll apologize. LOL Just kidding, I know you'll make up something new. Every one that reads RCM believes you. Honest they do. No one would dare think that you made up some mythical place where you posted mythical projects. Dan |
How do I properly use an electrical demagnitizer?
You have three poles. Two on the ends are weaker.
Center is the other end of both ends. Harder material is put there - stronger field. All are alternating field / ac power plug. put anything on the square and it is cleaned. Martin On 7/15/2017 12:36 PM, Larry Jaques wrote: On Sat, 15 Jul 2017 09:18:03 -0700, Gunner Asch wrote: On Sat, 15 Jul 2017 05:24:50 -0700 (PDT), " wrote: On Saturday, July 15, 2017 at 6:18:53 AM UTC-4, Gunner Asch wrote: I picked one of these up this week and dont really know the proper way to use it. https://cdn.globalauctionplatform.co...d4/540x360.jpg Its an Ideal 13-001 demagnitizer. Thanks Gunner --- Try searching on " Ideal 13-001 demgnitizer " I found more than I care to copy and paste. Dan I did..for a full 30 minutes before posting the question here. No data on that unit other than photos. Was the misspelling intentional..or accidental "demgnitzer" ? You have to ask? g https://www.google.com/search?num=50...l+demagnetizer From the Walker surface demagnetizer page: "Plate Type Demagnetizers are ideal for tool room use to demagnetize drills, cutters, ball and roller bearings, etc. The part is demagnetized by sliding it smoothly and slowly over the top of the plate, passing it clear of the demagnetizing field. The flat surface allows easy demagnetization of bulk packed nails, drills, screws, and welded parts." Search time: 5 secs Site review time: 5 minutes Post time: 1 minute Beat you by 5x, buddy. titter - If ever the Time should come, when vain and aspiring Men shall possess the highest Seats in Government, our Country will stand in Need of its experienced Patriots to prevent its Ruin. -- Samuel Adams |
How do I properly use an electrical demagnitizer?
Just don't leave anything in the blue magnetizer it will turn into a
magnet. Ok for some things. The 'ac'/demag part - vary the field is your arm jacking in / out the screwdriver to make a changing field. Changing the point where the field line 'focus'. Martin On 7/15/2017 9:00 PM, Nashville Cats wrote: On Sat, 15 Jul 2017 18:26:30 -0700 (PDT), " wrote: On Saturday, July 15, 2017 at 3:11:07 PM UTC-4, Nashville Cats wrote: Had a laugh about him planning "to magnitize things, like screw drivers and so forth." Well the laugh is on you. Some demagnetizers can also magnetise things. Dan One hardly needs a device to magnetize screwdrivers, and the laugh's on you for needing to be told that. http://www.homedepot.com/p/MASTER-MA...6424/203613158 Besides, I'm faaaairyly certain that the ability to magnetize screwdrivers won't do anything to help Wieber catch up on his rent. Man, you sure can be counted on to jump in to defend the deadbeat's dumb decisions... again and again. |
How do I properly use an electrical demagnitizer?
On 2017-07-16, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Sat, 15 Jul 2017 10:36:52 -0700, Larry Jaques wrote: On Sat, 15 Jul 2017 09:18:03 -0700, Gunner Asch wrote: On Sat, 15 Jul 2017 05:24:50 -0700 (PDT), " wrote: On Saturday, July 15, 2017 at 6:18:53 AM UTC-4, Gunner Asch wrote: I picked one of these up this week and dont really know the proper way to use it. https://cdn.globalauctionplatform.co...d4/540x360.jpg Its an Ideal 13-001 demagnitizer. Thanks Gunner [ ... ] that was not for this PARTICULAR 3 module magnitizer. I was asking about the Ideal 13-001 demagnitizer..not "generic plate demagnitizer" titter So tell me..what are the (3) modules used for? There is "NO" plate on this unit. There are (3) metal gizmos protruding from a plastic cover. What you have is a coil wound on the "E" laminations of a transformer core. Shape of a single one is rather like this: XXXX XXXXXX XXXX XXXX XXXXXX XXXX XXXX XXXXXX XXXX XXXX XXXXXX XXXX XXXX XXXXXX XXXX XXXX XXXXXX XXXX XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XOXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXOX XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX If you look closely at the "modules" you will see that they are made of multiple pieces of thin metal (a metal which is easy to magnetize and demagnize.) They are stacked together and usually combined with "I" laminations (which look like this: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XOXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXOX XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX And in normal transformer constructions one 'E' lamination will put the bar at the bottom and the next will put it at the top, which the 'I' laminations joining across the the three pole pieces. For the demagnetizer, you throw out (or never purchase) the 'I' laminations, and point all of the "E" ones the same way. Wind a coil on a square bobbin and slide it onto the center pole piece. This produces a magnetic circuit which puts the North pole on the center and the South on the two end ones for one half cycle, and then reversed on the next half cycle. Once the coil is wound and put over the center pole, the whole thing is put in a box (poles down), and epoxy is poured in and allowed to harden. Then maybe go to a belt sander once it is hardened and grind a little off so the pole pieces are exposed. (Or, maybe put a slab of plastic over the end so nothing gets hooked on the edges of the pole pieces.) (Oh yes -- connect an AC cord to the winding first. :-) I made such a demagnetizer once. Depending on how many turns, you may be able to leave it connected to the AC line full time, or maybe have to limit it to no more than perhaps five minutes, to keep it from overheating. And how are they used and for what reason? Plug it in, and slowly draw the piece of metal over all three pole pieces until you are fully off them by maybe 6 to 8 inches. Then turn off the power, or draw a second object over it. If you want to magnetize instead, add a rectifier in series with the power line and put the piece there, apply power for a few seconds and remove the power. This will magnetize it where the pole pieces are and between them. With the DC -- you may need a lower voltage to keep the current within reason. the 2 small end modules are used differently than the larger center module? They are used together -- to demagnetize or magnetize. titter How are they used? Described above. titter And so forth. titter This is a plate demagnitizer http://www.shars.com/files/products/...2-1170Main.jpg Same thing, but with a stainless steel cover plate over the pole pieces.. (likely 300 series non-magnetic stainless.) This is what I own: https://cdn.globalauctionplatform.co...d4/540x360.jpg Plate? As I described above. You can see the ends of the pole pieces and the epoxy (or perhaps poured tar). And a partial cover over the edges. titter Thank you for your kind commentary however. titter Enjoy, DoN. -- Remove oil spill source from e-mail Email: | (KV4PH) Voice (all times): (703) 938-4564 (too) near Washington D.C. | http://www.d-and-d.com/dnichols/DoN.html --- Black Holes are where God is dividing by zero --- |
How do I properly use an electrical demagnitizer?
On Sun, 16 Jul 2017 12:24:03 -0700, Nashville Cats wrote:
On Sun, 16 Jul 2017 11:17:29 -0700 (PDT), " wrote: On Sunday, July 16, 2017 at 9:35:04 AM UTC-4, Nashville Cats wrote: Except there was no ignorance from me. You pretended there was so that you could mount your usual sideways defense of anything Wieber, no matter how ridiculous. I ask again, how much is your life like Wieber's that you need to whine every time he gets kicked? In this case, I'm guessing that you, just like Wieber, had no idea that screwdrivers are easily magnetized. Well all the readers of RCM knows that you thought that a]l demagnetiser's could not also magnetise. No, you made that up, because that's what dopes with nothing useful to say, are wont to do. That is your ignorance. You also rummaged around on the internet and found a dinky thing at Home Depot as if that is comparable to an industrial demagnetiser. No. I've had perhaps a dozen different magnetizers over the years. The Home Depot link showed the most common type one sees these days, which is so prolific that it isn't worth rummaging around for a speaker magnet or whatever to do the job. If I had anything that didn't fit in my magnetizer, I'd use the magnetic parts bin that lives on the side of my hoist. I would like to see you using that Home Depot item to demagnitise things ground on a surface grinder. Wieber only said that he wanted to magnetize "screw drivers and so forth." The "so forth" means that he can't even think of anything else he's going to use his new treasure for. He bought it because in lieu of being self sufficient, and as a diversion from the reality of his trailer trash life, he likes hoarding tons of crap, especially crap he can waste time talking about endlessly. Now all his screwdrivers are magnetized, and will turn into metal shard furballs the first time he lays them near any grinding job. On second thought, I don't think that will be a problem for him because if he was doing any real work, he'd have learned long ago that magnetizing all his screwdrivers is even dumber than wasting his money on a demagnetizer to do the job. But if you are so knowledgeable how about letting us knew what metal working you have done lately. Why would I do that? I've posted a half dozen projects lately in a place that kicks nitwits like you and Wieber out to places like this one. Now, I know you'll say I'm making that up. But your problem with that approach is that a couple months ago I sent a link to one of those posts to Huntress, which he can use to search all my dozens of posts on that site if he likes. Maybe he'll back me up. Darn. This is not a good computer day for me. I can see the photos of your motorcycle rack that you linked to, but I can't figure out how to see the other photos. Why don't you just post a photo of the Glasair RG you built, and be done with it? g Seriously, let me know, here or in email, how to see the other photos. And then you'll apologize. LOL Just kidding, I know you'll make up something new. My wife decided that our propane fired grill was no good and so I picked up a Webber grill at a tag sale. So now have to light the charcoal. So made a charcoal chimney out of misc stuff I already had. My life is simple as I am retired and just do things for fun. Apparently you find it "fun" to repeatedly put words in others' mouths, and that's all you've done here, as usual. |
How do I properly use an electrical demagnitizer?
On Sun, 16 Jul 2017 17:45:11 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote: On Sunday, July 16, 2017 at 3:24:07 PM UTC-4, Nashville Cats wrote: Why would I do that? I've posted a half dozen projects lately in a place that kicks nitwits like you and Wieber out to places like this one. Now, I know you'll say I'm making that up. But your problem with that approach is that a couple months ago I sent a link to one of those posts to Huntress, which he can use to search all my dozens of posts on that site if he likes. Maybe he'll back me up. And then you'll apologize. LOL Just kidding, I know you'll make up something new. Every one that reads RCM believes you. Honest they do. No one would dare think that you made up some mythical place where you posted mythical projects. Dan Oh, they're not mythical. -- Ed Huntress |
How do I properly use an electrical demagnitizer?
On Sun, 16 Jul 2017 18:57:21 -0400, Neon John wrote:
On Sat, 15 Jul 2017 23:52:50 -0700, Gunner Asch wrote: https://cdn.globalauctionplatform.co...d4/540x360.jpg That's easy. That's an E-core type demagnetizer. Imagine an E laid on its back so the legs poke upward. The coil is wound on the center, larger leg. If at any instant in time the center leg is north polarity, the three legs will be S-N-S. So you have two magnetic loops in which to insert something to be demagnetized. To demagnetize something, energize the unit and move it between the center pole and either of the outside legs. Move it slowly and in several directions. Slowly move it an arm's length away before cutting power. To magnetize something, place it on the center pole or between poles and interrupt the current at its peak. This will require some custom electronics. Three approaches. A peak switching solid state switch using 60hz line voltage, a capacitor discharge device that switches a high joule capacitor across the coil or a peak firing SCR (silicon controlled rectifier). The most effective would be a capacitor discharge unit. An MSD MS-6AL racing ignition box and a 12 volt magnet would do the job unmodified. Easiest and least expensive would be a heavy duty lamp dimmer with the TRIAC replaced with an SCR so that it only fires on half the 60 cycles. I can tell you how to do it either way. I'd prefer the MSD racing box. Here are what the boxes look like in order of preference. https://www.summitracing.com/parts/msd-6201 https://www.summitracing.com/parts/msd-5520 Though not made anymore, the old analog MSD-6A would work perfectly. You should be able to find one at any auto swap meet or on sleazebay. John John DeArmond http://www.neon-john.com http://www.tnduction.com Tellico Plains, Occupied TN See website for email address Many thanks John!! Much obliged!! --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus |
How do I properly use an electrical demagnitizer?
On 17 Jul 2017 01:47:39 GMT, "DoN. Nichols"
wrote: On 2017-07-16, Gunner Asch wrote: On Sat, 15 Jul 2017 10:36:52 -0700, Larry Jaques wrote: On Sat, 15 Jul 2017 09:18:03 -0700, Gunner Asch wrote: On Sat, 15 Jul 2017 05:24:50 -0700 (PDT), " wrote: On Saturday, July 15, 2017 at 6:18:53 AM UTC-4, Gunner Asch wrote: I picked one of these up this week and dont really know the proper way to use it. https://cdn.globalauctionplatform.co...d4/540x360.jpg Its an Ideal 13-001 demagnitizer. Thanks Gunner [ ... ] that was not for this PARTICULAR 3 module magnitizer. I was asking about the Ideal 13-001 demagnitizer..not "generic plate demagnitizer" titter So tell me..what are the (3) modules used for? There is "NO" plate on this unit. There are (3) metal gizmos protruding from a plastic cover. What you have is a coil wound on the "E" laminations of a transformer core. Shape of a single one is rather like this: XXXX XXXXXX XXXX XXXX XXXXXX XXXX XXXX XXXXXX XXXX XXXX XXXXXX XXXX XXXX XXXXXX XXXX XXXX XXXXXX XXXX XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XOXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXOX XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX If you look closely at the "modules" you will see that they are made of multiple pieces of thin metal (a metal which is easy to magnetize and demagnize.) They are stacked together and usually combined with "I" laminations (which look like this: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XOXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXOX XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX And in normal transformer constructions one 'E' lamination will put the bar at the bottom and the next will put it at the top, which the 'I' laminations joining across the the three pole pieces. For the demagnetizer, you throw out (or never purchase) the 'I' laminations, and point all of the "E" ones the same way. Wind a coil on a square bobbin and slide it onto the center pole piece. This produces a magnetic circuit which puts the North pole on the center and the South on the two end ones for one half cycle, and then reversed on the next half cycle. Once the coil is wound and put over the center pole, the whole thing is put in a box (poles down), and epoxy is poured in and allowed to harden. Then maybe go to a belt sander once it is hardened and grind a little off so the pole pieces are exposed. (Or, maybe put a slab of plastic over the end so nothing gets hooked on the edges of the pole pieces.) (Oh yes -- connect an AC cord to the winding first. :-) I made such a demagnetizer once. Depending on how many turns, you may be able to leave it connected to the AC line full time, or maybe have to limit it to no more than perhaps five minutes, to keep it from overheating. And how are they used and for what reason? Plug it in, and slowly draw the piece of metal over all three pole pieces until you are fully off them by maybe 6 to 8 inches. Then turn off the power, or draw a second object over it. If you want to magnetize instead, add a rectifier in series with the power line and put the piece there, apply power for a few seconds and remove the power. This will magnetize it where the pole pieces are and between them. With the DC -- you may need a lower voltage to keep the current within reason. the 2 small end modules are used differently than the larger center module? They are used together -- to demagnetize or magnetize. titter How are they used? Described above. titter And so forth. titter This is a plate demagnitizer http://www.shars.com/files/products/...2-1170Main.jpg Same thing, but with a stainless steel cover plate over the pole pieces.. (likely 300 series non-magnetic stainless.) This is what I own: https://cdn.globalauctionplatform.co...d4/540x360.jpg Plate? As I described above. You can see the ends of the pole pieces and the epoxy (or perhaps poured tar). And a partial cover over the edges. titter Thank you for your kind commentary however. titter Enjoy, DoN. Many thanks! I found that if I simply stand the tool vertically on the center mass, and turn the power on for 5-10 seconds, then turn it off..it magnitizes the tool well enough for my purposes. Thank you for your clear description and suggestions! Gunner --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus |
How do I properly use an electrical demagnitizer?
On Sun, 16 Jul 2017 17:45:11 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote: On Sunday, July 16, 2017 at 3:24:07 PM UTC-4, Nashville Cats wrote: Why would I do that? I've posted a half dozen projects lately in a place that kicks nitwits like you and Wieber out to places like this one. Now, I know you'll say I'm making that up. But your problem with that approach is that a couple months ago I sent a link to one of those posts to Huntress, which he can use to search all my dozens of posts on that site if he likes. Maybe he'll back me up. And then you'll apologize. LOL Just kidding, I know you'll make up something new. Every one that reads RCM believes you. So you're speaking for "everyone" now, eh? Honest they do. LOL You should banish the word honest from your vocabulary. No one would dare think that you made up some mythical place where you posted mythical projects. Yawn You responded exactly as I predicted, even with full warning that you'd probably be proven wrong. What is it with rightards' need to make things up so they can be on the wrong side of the facts? What does it get you? |
How do I properly use an electrical demagnitizer?
On Sun, 16 Jul 2017 22:10:55 -0400, Ed Huntress
wrote: On Sun, 16 Jul 2017 12:24:03 -0700, Nashville Cats wrote: On Sun, 16 Jul 2017 11:17:29 -0700 (PDT), " wrote: But if you are so knowledgeable how about letting us knew what metal working you have done lately. Why would I do that? I've posted a half dozen projects lately in a place that kicks nitwits like you and Wieber out to places like this one. Now, I know you'll say I'm making that up. But your problem with that approach is that a couple months ago I sent a link to one of those posts to Huntress, which he can use to search all my dozens of posts on that site if he likes. Maybe he'll back me up. Darn. This is not a good computer day for me. I can see the photos of your motorcycle rack that you linked to, but I can't figure out how to see the other photos. Looks like you need to be a member to search. I'll send you direct links. Why don't you just post a photo of the Glasair RG you built, and be done with it? g No need. I'd hate to post anything that rightards might enjoy since the main reason I come here is to bash them by burning down their poster boy. Anyway, Dan et al. would just make up something new, same as I see in the climate change thread. I'll never understand why some people work so hard to be on the wrong side of facts and history. |
How do I properly use an electrical demagnitizer?
On Sunday, July 16, 2017 at 10:12:01 PM UTC-4, Ed Huntress wrote:
Oh, they're not mythical. -- Ed Huntress You I believe. But you can't blame me for being skepical of posts from someone that uses a pseudo name, claims to have posted stuff months ago while google only turns up very recent posts by his current nym. Also who posts a lot on RCM that is not metal related and will not post thing that are on topic. Dan |
How do I properly use an electrical demagnitizer?
On Mon, 17 Jul 2017 07:39:18 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote: On Sunday, July 16, 2017 at 10:12:01 PM UTC-4, Ed Huntress wrote: Oh, they're not mythical. -- Ed Huntress You I believe. But you can't blame me for being skepical of posts from someone that uses a pseudo name, claims to have posted stuff months ago while google only turns up very recent posts by his current nym. Also who posts a lot on RCM that is not metal related and will not post thing that are on topic. Dan There's a lot of stress around these days, Dan -- fallout from the tribalization of culture and a spreading infestation of situational ethics. It's too bad in many ways. For example, Whoyakidding has some primo metalworking and building experience. It could be fun. If Gunner hadn't threatened him with death, that is. -- Ed Huntress |
How do I properly use an electrical demagnitizer?
On Mon, 17 Jul 2017 11:15:17 -0400, Ed Huntress
wrote: google only turns up very recent posts by his current nym Did you at least listen to the song after looking up its title? will not post thing that are on topic Boo hoo. What are you offering those who please you here? Why would I want to please someone who will make up fallacious **** whenever it suits him, and who is fine with death threats so long as they're from a deadbeat member of his tribe? |
How do I properly use an electrical demagnitizer?
On Mon, 17 Jul 2017 11:15:17 -0400, Ed Huntress
wrote: On Mon, 17 Jul 2017 07:39:18 -0700 (PDT), " wrote: On Sunday, July 16, 2017 at 10:12:01 PM UTC-4, Ed Huntress wrote: Oh, they're not mythical. -- Ed Huntress You I believe. But you can't blame me for being skepical of posts from someone that uses a pseudo name, claims to have posted stuff months ago while google only turns up very recent posts by his current nym. Also who posts a lot on RCM that is not metal related and will not post thing that are on topic. Dan There's a lot of stress around these days, Dan -- fallout from the tribalization of culture and a spreading infestation of situational ethics. It's too bad in many ways. For example, Whoyakidding has some primo metalworking and building experience. It could be fun. If Gunner hadn't threatened him with death, that is. Dan is so busy complaining about serious stuff like nyms that he can't spare any outrage about minor things like death threats. :) |
How do I properly use an electrical demagnitizer?
On 7/17/2017 9:02 AM, Nashville Cats wrote:
On Mon, 17 Jul 2017 11:15:17 -0400, Ed Huntress wrote: Something got messed up in the attributions. The response is to Dan, not Ed. google only turns up very recent posts by his current nym Did you at least listen to the song after looking up its title? will not post thing that are on topic Boo hoo. What are you offering those who please you here? Why would I want to please someone who will make up fallacious **** whenever it suits him, and who is fine with death threats so long as they're from a deadbeat member of his tribe? That sense of tribalism is incomprehensible and dismaying. It really is bizarre the way Dan, Wieber, Gardner, Jaques, Terrell and others all hang tightly together. Wieber is simply beyond the pale in terms of his death threats and bull****ting, and none of the others will say one word against him. They are assenting and condoning by their silence. Essentially, they let Wieber speak for them, then deny it when challenged. It's cowardice. |
How do I properly use an electrical demagnitizer?
On Mon, 17 Jul 2017 09:02:21 -0700, Nashville Cats wrote:
On Mon, 17 Jul 2017 11:15:17 -0400, Ed Huntress wrote: google only turns up very recent posts by his current nym Did you at least listen to the song after looking up its title? will not post thing that are on topic Boo hoo. What are you offering those who please you here? Why would I want to please someone who will make up fallacious **** whenever it suits him, and who is fine with death threats so long as they're from a deadbeat member of his tribe? You've got the wrong attribution here. That was Dan, not me. -- Ed Huntress |
How do I properly use an electrical demagnitizer?
On Mon, 17 Jul 2017 09:15:51 -0700, Rudy Canoza
wrote: On 7/17/2017 9:02 AM, Nashville Cats wrote: On Mon, 17 Jul 2017 11:15:17 -0400, Ed Huntress wrote: Something got messed up in the attributions. The response is to Dan, not Ed. Oops. google only turns up very recent posts by his current nym Did you at least listen to the song after looking up its title? will not post thing that are on topic Boo hoo. What are you offering those who please you here? Why would I want to please someone who will make up fallacious **** whenever it suits him, and who is fine with death threats so long as they're from a deadbeat member of his tribe? That sense of tribalism is incomprehensible and dismaying. It really is bizarre the way Dan, Wieber, Gardner, Jaques, Terrell and others all hang tightly together. Wieber is simply beyond the pale in terms of his death threats and bull****ting, and none of the others will say one word against him. They are assenting and condoning by their silence. Essentially, they let Wieber speak for them, then deny it when challenged. It's cowardice. Yeah, but on the plus side they know where they can get their screwdrivers somewhat magnetized for only the cost of shipping. :) |
How do I properly use an electrical demagnitizer?
On Mon, 17 Jul 2017 09:15:51 -0700, Rudy Canoza
wrote: On 7/17/2017 9:02 AM, Nashville Cats wrote: On Mon, 17 Jul 2017 11:15:17 -0400, Ed Huntress wrote: Something got messed up in the attributions. The response is to Dan, not Ed. google only turns up very recent posts by his current nym Did you at least listen to the song after looking up its title? will not post thing that are on topic Boo hoo. What are you offering those who please you here? Why would I want to please someone who will make up fallacious **** whenever it suits him, and who is fine with death threats so long as they're from a deadbeat member of his tribe? That sense of tribalism is incomprehensible and dismaying. It really is bizarre the way Dan, Wieber, Gardner, Jaques, Terrell and others all hang tightly together. Wieber is simply beyond the pale in terms of his death threats and bull****ting, and none of the others will say one word against him. They are assenting and condoning by their silence. Essentially, they let Wieber speak for them, then deny it when challenged. It's cowardice. I've been reading quite a few columns by pundits addressing this question, because it looks incompehensible to me, too. I haven't seen anything that's fully convincing yet. And I lived for eight years in the Midwest, and spent more than half of my childhood living in rural areas and small rural towns. I can see the origins of it but not how it's developed into a subculture. If I find anything interesting, I'll post a link. Meantime, an interesting sociology paper was published very recently that clearly defines some of the US gun culture, which is an important element of it. BTW, according to the paper, I'm Gun Culture 1.0. When the discussions of terminal ballistics in human flesh run over five or ten posts here, I want to puke. g "The sociology of U.S. gun culture" by David Yamane http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/1...oc4.12497/epdf Yamane also has a blog, titled "Gun Culture 2.0": https://gunculture2point0.wordpress....ology-of-guns/ -- Ed Huntress |
How do I properly use an electrical demagnitizer?
On Mon, 17 Jul 2017 12:22:17 -0400, Ed Huntress
wrote: On Mon, 17 Jul 2017 09:02:21 -0700, Nashville Cats wrote: On Mon, 17 Jul 2017 11:15:17 -0400, Ed Huntress wrote: google only turns up very recent posts by his current nym Did you at least listen to the song after looking up its title? will not post thing that are on topic Boo hoo. What are you offering those who please you here? Why would I want to please someone who will make up fallacious **** whenever it suits him, and who is fine with death threats so long as they're from a deadbeat member of his tribe? You've got the wrong attribution here. That was Dan, not me. Right. Sorry. I don't think anyone sensible will confuse his writing or thinking with yours though. :) Will I be banned from Usenet for admitting a mistake? :) |
How do I properly use an electrical demagnitizer?
On Mon, 17 Jul 2017 09:37:39 -0700, Nashville Cats wrote:
On Mon, 17 Jul 2017 12:22:17 -0400, Ed Huntress wrote: On Mon, 17 Jul 2017 09:02:21 -0700, Nashville Cats wrote: On Mon, 17 Jul 2017 11:15:17 -0400, Ed Huntress wrote: google only turns up very recent posts by his current nym Did you at least listen to the song after looking up its title? will not post thing that are on topic Boo hoo. What are you offering those who please you here? Why would I want to please someone who will make up fallacious **** whenever it suits him, and who is fine with death threats so long as they're from a deadbeat member of his tribe? You've got the wrong attribution here. That was Dan, not me. Right. Sorry. I don't think anyone sensible will confuse his writing or thinking with yours though. :) Will I be banned from Usenet for admitting a mistake? :) No, but your punishment is that you have to actually read Red Pecker's posts for a month... -- Ed Huntress |
How do I properly use an electrical demagnitizer?
On 7/16/2017 8:10 PM, Ed Huntress wrote:
This is not a good computer day for me May you have a lot more like it too, ****dress. |
How do I properly use an electrical demagnitizer?
On Mon, 17 Jul 2017 12:42:56 -0400, Ed Huntress
wrote: On Mon, 17 Jul 2017 09:37:39 -0700, Nashville Cats wrote: On Mon, 17 Jul 2017 12:22:17 -0400, Ed Huntress wrote: On Mon, 17 Jul 2017 09:02:21 -0700, Nashville Cats wrote: On Mon, 17 Jul 2017 11:15:17 -0400, Ed Huntress wrote: google only turns up very recent posts by his current nym Did you at least listen to the song after looking up its title? will not post thing that are on topic Boo hoo. What are you offering those who please you here? Why would I want to please someone who will make up fallacious **** whenever it suits him, and who is fine with death threats so long as they're from a deadbeat member of his tribe? You've got the wrong attribution here. That was Dan, not me. Right. Sorry. I don't think anyone sensible will confuse his writing or thinking with yours though. :) Will I be banned from Usenet for admitting a mistake? :) No, but your punishment is that you have to actually read Red Pecker's posts for a month... Surely that's against the Geneva Convention or something! I decline. Instead, next time I come up behind a VW bus, I'll stay there until my turnoff. |
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