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Default Al Gore Says God Told Him to Fight Global Warming

On Monday, June 12, 2017 at 2:07:07 PM UTC-4, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Mon, 12 Jun 2017 08:56:09 -0500, !Jones wrote:

x-no-idiots: yes

On Sat, 10 Jun 2017 13:58:03 -0700, in talk.politics.guns "raykeller"
whiney_will_have_his_nose_in_my_ass_in_3_2_1@lef tards_are_loosers.com
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In his comments, Gore equated the fight against global warming to a
religious-based, moral crusade similar to the civil rights fight, women's
suffrage, and the abolitionist movement during the Civil War era. Gore
insisted that it is a moral imperative to fight against climate change.


Well, no. Al was speaking to a group who believes in virgin birth,
resurrection from the dead, the rapture, and that the universe was
created in seven days and who tend to dismiss science as the work of
the devil; therefore, he had to put it understandable terms for them.

Jones


Odd...that doesnt sound like his minions in the DNC. I guess you
**** in your hat yet again.


No, that would be you, because, lazy and ignorant slob that you are, you didn't read the actual interview and you don't even know who he was talking to. He wasn't "equating" anything -- it was an example based on one of the deniers' arguments.

In other words, another ****-up from Kopypasta and Gunner.

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On Monday, June 12, 2017 at 3:22:04 PM UTC-4, Frank wrote:
On 6/12/2017 2:07 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Mon, 12 Jun 2017 08:56:09 -0500, !Jones wrote:

x-no-idiots: yes

On Sat, 10 Jun 2017 13:58:03 -0700, in talk.politics.guns "raykeller"
whiney_will_have_his_nose_in_my_ass_in_3_2_1@left ards_are_loosers.com
wrote:

In his comments, Gore equated the fight against global warming to a
religious-based, moral crusade similar to the civil rights fight, women's
suffrage, and the abolitionist movement during the Civil War era. Gore
insisted that it is a moral imperative to fight against climate change.

Well, no. Al was speaking to a group who believes in virgin birth,
resurrection from the dead, the rapture, and that the universe was
created in seven days and who tend to dismiss science as the work of
the devil; therefore, he had to put it understandable terms for them.

Jones


Odd...that doesnt sound like his minions in the DNC. I guess you
**** in your hat yet again.


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On Wednesday, June 14, 2017 at 1:48:36 PM UTC-4, Just Wondering wrote:
On 6/14/2017 10:21 AM, !Jones wrote:

... the premise many of these people have (present company
excepted, of course) is that, upon any "regulation" of personal
weapons, they will (or may) rise up and overthrow the government
by force.

I challenge you to find a single person who actually operates on that
"premise".


"Operates"? Or "talks"? We're loaded with talkers, starting with Gunner and Larry, who talk about it all the time.

Hardly any of those people "operate" about anything much at all.

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On Tuesday, June 20, 2017 at 7:23:16 AM UTC-4, Jim Wilkins wrote:
"Just Wondering" wrote in message
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On 6/19/2017 11:42 PM, tRudy Crayola wrote:
On 6/19/2017 2:57 AM, Just Wondering wrote:
On 6/18/2017 2:39 PM, Preston Hamblin wrote:

The percentage of households that own guns is under 30%.

Prove it - or admit you're posting bull****.

The percentage of Households that will admit to owning guns is 30%.
The rest will merely blow your ass away if you arrive uninvited
through a window.
The only data I have ever seen, which is bull**** anyway for the
reason

you implied (admitting to owning a gun is not the same as owning a
gun), is a 2014 survey, and the percentage then admitted to was 32%.
Given the record gun sales in the three years since that survey was
taken, the percentage has surely risen since then.

I'm still waiting for Hamblin to prove his assertion.
. . .
. . .
OK, I'm done waiting. Hamblin's silence is an admission that his
assertion is bull****.


It's no secret that the people who go to the trouble of surveying if
households have firearms are marking them for search and confiscation,
since their other attempts at registration have been frustrated. If
they really cared "for the children" they'd be fighting drugs instead
of trying to legalize them.

Who among you would be dumb enough to tell a stranger if you keep gold
in the house and how it's secured?


This has been tested. The people who won't answer the gun question are the people who don't answer surveys. It nearly comes out in the wash, in other words. They never get counted either way.

The current "household" percentages are in the mid-'90s. The individual owner percentages are 22 - 25%. If you want to see the support and the methodology, go look it up. It's one of the easiest areas of research to check.

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wrote in message
...
On Tuesday, June 20, 2017 at 7:23:16 AM UTC-4, Jim Wilkins wrote:
"Just Wondering" wrote in message
...
On 6/19/2017 11:42 PM, tRudy Crayola wrote:
On 6/19/2017 2:57 AM, Just Wondering wrote:
On 6/18/2017 2:39 PM, Preston Hamblin wrote:

The percentage of households that own guns is under 30%.

Prove it - or admit you're posting bull****.

The percentage of Households that will admit to owning guns is
30%.
The rest will merely blow your ass away if you arrive uninvited
through a window.
The only data I have ever seen, which is bull**** anyway for the
reason
you implied (admitting to owning a gun is not the same as owning
a
gun), is a 2014 survey, and the percentage then admitted to was
32%.
Given the record gun sales in the three years since that survey
was
taken, the percentage has surely risen since then.

I'm still waiting for Hamblin to prove his assertion.
. . .
. . .
OK, I'm done waiting. Hamblin's silence is an admission that his
assertion is bull****.


It's no secret that the people who go to the trouble of surveying
if
households have firearms are marking them for search and
confiscation,
since their other attempts at registration have been frustrated. If
they really cared "for the children" they'd be fighting drugs
instead
of trying to legalize them.

Who among you would be dumb enough to tell a stranger if you keep
gold
in the house and how it's secured?


This has been tested. The people who won't answer the gun question
are the people who don't answer surveys. It nearly comes out in the
wash, in other words. They never get counted either way.

The current "household" percentages are in the mid-'90s. The
individual owner percentages are 22 - 25%. If you want to see the
support and the methodology, go look it up. It's one of the easiest
areas of research to check.

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I did check, and found self-justification for the customers to
continue paying for surveys.





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On Tuesday, June 20, 2017 at 8:40:31 AM UTC-4, Jim Wilkins wrote:
wrote in message
...
On Tuesday, June 20, 2017 at 7:23:16 AM UTC-4, Jim Wilkins wrote:
"Just Wondering" wrote in message
...
On 6/19/2017 11:42 PM, tRudy Crayola wrote:
On 6/19/2017 2:57 AM, Just Wondering wrote:
On 6/18/2017 2:39 PM, Preston Hamblin wrote:

The percentage of households that own guns is under 30%.

Prove it - or admit you're posting bull****.

The percentage of Households that will admit to owning guns is
30%.
The rest will merely blow your ass away if you arrive uninvited
through a window.
The only data I have ever seen, which is bull**** anyway for the
reason
you implied (admitting to owning a gun is not the same as owning
a
gun), is a 2014 survey, and the percentage then admitted to was
32%.
Given the record gun sales in the three years since that survey
was
taken, the percentage has surely risen since then.

I'm still waiting for Hamblin to prove his assertion.
. . .
. . .
OK, I'm done waiting. Hamblin's silence is an admission that his
assertion is bull****.

It's no secret that the people who go to the trouble of surveying
if
households have firearms are marking them for search and
confiscation,
since their other attempts at registration have been frustrated. If
they really cared "for the children" they'd be fighting drugs
instead
of trying to legalize them.

Who among you would be dumb enough to tell a stranger if you keep
gold
in the house and how it's secured?


This has been tested. The people who won't answer the gun question
are the people who don't answer surveys. It nearly comes out in the
wash, in other words. They never get counted either way.

The current "household" percentages are in the mid-'90s. The
individual owner percentages are 22 - 25%. If you want to see the
support and the methodology, go look it up. It's one of the easiest
areas of research to check.

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I did check, and found self-justification for the customers to
continue paying for surveys.


And who are the "customers" who are paying for, say, Pew Research or the GSS?

Are you an Alex Jones fan, or do you cook up your own conspiracies? d8-)

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...
On Tuesday, June 20, 2017 at 8:40:31 AM UTC-4, Jim Wilkins wrote:
wrote in message
...
On Tuesday, June 20, 2017 at 7:23:16 AM UTC-4, Jim Wilkins wrote:
"Just Wondering" wrote in message
...
On 6/19/2017 11:42 PM, tRudy Crayola wrote:
On 6/19/2017 2:57 AM, Just Wondering wrote:
On 6/18/2017 2:39 PM, Preston Hamblin wrote:

The percentage of households that own guns is under 30%.

Prove it - or admit you're posting bull****.

The percentage of Households that will admit to owning guns
is
30%.
The rest will merely blow your ass away if you arrive
uninvited
through a window.
The only data I have ever seen, which is bull**** anyway for
the
reason
you implied (admitting to owning a gun is not the same as
owning
a
gun), is a 2014 survey, and the percentage then admitted to
was
32%.
Given the record gun sales in the three years since that
survey
was
taken, the percentage has surely risen since then.

I'm still waiting for Hamblin to prove his assertion.
. . .
. . .
OK, I'm done waiting. Hamblin's silence is an admission that
his
assertion is bull****.

It's no secret that the people who go to the trouble of
surveying
if
households have firearms are marking them for search and
confiscation,
since their other attempts at registration have been frustrated.
If
they really cared "for the children" they'd be fighting drugs
instead
of trying to legalize them.

Who among you would be dumb enough to tell a stranger if you
keep
gold
in the house and how it's secured?

This has been tested. The people who won't answer the gun
question
are the people who don't answer surveys. It nearly comes out in
the
wash, in other words. They never get counted either way.

The current "household" percentages are in the mid-'90s. The
individual owner percentages are 22 - 25%. If you want to see the
support and the methodology, go look it up. It's one of the
easiest
areas of research to check.

--
Ed Huntress


I did check, and found self-justification for the customers to
continue paying for surveys.


And who are the "customers" who are paying for, say, Pew Research or
the GSS?

Are you an Alex Jones fan, or do you cook up your own conspiracies?
d8-)

--
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Someone has to pay the bill, often a political committee. I ask and
sometimes they slip up and tell me.
http://www.socialstudies.org/sites/d...07/630704.html
"But political candidates tend not to rely on the publicly-reported
poll results we read in our daily papers. Rather, the pollsters with
the most impact on American politics are the myriad for-hire
consultants and firms who sell their services to individual
candidates. Many of these firms are partisan."

This is New Hampshire where the candidates actually attempt to
convince and listen to us personally, in small live gatherings.
-jsw


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On Tuesday, June 20, 2017 at 9:03:18 AM UTC-4, Jim Wilkins wrote:
wrote in message
...
On Tuesday, June 20, 2017 at 8:40:31 AM UTC-4, Jim Wilkins wrote:
wrote in message
...
On Tuesday, June 20, 2017 at 7:23:16 AM UTC-4, Jim Wilkins wrote:
"Just Wondering" wrote in message
...
On 6/19/2017 11:42 PM, tRudy Crayola wrote:
On 6/19/2017 2:57 AM, Just Wondering wrote:
On 6/18/2017 2:39 PM, Preston Hamblin wrote:

The percentage of households that own guns is under 30%.

Prove it - or admit you're posting bull****.

The percentage of Households that will admit to owning guns
is
30%.
The rest will merely blow your ass away if you arrive
uninvited
through a window.
The only data I have ever seen, which is bull**** anyway for
the
reason
you implied (admitting to owning a gun is not the same as
owning
a
gun), is a 2014 survey, and the percentage then admitted to
was
32%.
Given the record gun sales in the three years since that
survey
was
taken, the percentage has surely risen since then.

I'm still waiting for Hamblin to prove his assertion.
. . .
. . .
OK, I'm done waiting. Hamblin's silence is an admission that
his
assertion is bull****.

It's no secret that the people who go to the trouble of
surveying
if
households have firearms are marking them for search and
confiscation,
since their other attempts at registration have been frustrated.
If
they really cared "for the children" they'd be fighting drugs
instead
of trying to legalize them.

Who among you would be dumb enough to tell a stranger if you
keep
gold
in the house and how it's secured?

This has been tested. The people who won't answer the gun
question
are the people who don't answer surveys. It nearly comes out in
the
wash, in other words. They never get counted either way.

The current "household" percentages are in the mid-'90s. The
individual owner percentages are 22 - 25%. If you want to see the
support and the methodology, go look it up. It's one of the
easiest
areas of research to check.

--
Ed Huntress

I did check, and found self-justification for the customers to
continue paying for surveys.


And who are the "customers" who are paying for, say, Pew Research or
the GSS?

Are you an Alex Jones fan, or do you cook up your own conspiracies?
d8-)

--
Ed Huntress


Someone has to pay the bill, often a political committee. I ask and
sometimes they slip up and tell me.
http://www.socialstudies.org/sites/d...07/630704.html
"But political candidates tend not to rely on the publicly-reported
poll results we read in our daily papers. Rather, the pollsters with
the most impact on American politics are the myriad for-hire
consultants and firms who sell their services to individual
candidates. Many of these firms are partisan."

This is New Hampshire where the candidates actually attempt to
convince and listen to us personally, in small live gatherings.
-jsw


Pew Research is funded by the Pew Charitable Trusts, which were created by the founder of Sun Oil Company -- hardly a left-wing organization. In fact, Pew is, if anything, slightly right-leaning but very close to neutral.

The GSS is a NSF project and the "customers" probably range in the tens of thousands. Nobody has their thumb on the results.

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On Tuesday, June 20, 2017 at 1:35:29 PM UTC-4, Rudy Canoza wrote:
On 6/20/2017 4:23 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
"Just Wondering" wrote in message
...
On 6/19/2017 11:42 PM, tRudy Crayola wrote:
On 6/19/2017 2:57 AM, Just Wondering wrote:
On 6/18/2017 2:39 PM, Preston Hamblin wrote:

The percentage of households that own guns is under 30%.

Prove it - or admit you're posting bull****.

The percentage of Households that will admit to owning guns is 30%.
The rest will merely blow your ass away if you arrive uninvited
through a window.
The only data I have ever seen, which is bull**** anyway for the
reason
you implied (admitting to owning a gun is not the same as owning a
gun), is a 2014 survey, and the percentage then admitted to was 32%.
Given the record gun sales in the three years since that survey was
taken, the percentage has surely risen since then.

I'm still waiting for Hamblin to prove his assertion.
. . .
. . .
OK, I'm done waiting. Hamblin's silence is an admission that his
assertion is bull****.


It's no secret that the people who go to the trouble of surveying if
households have firearms are marking them for search and confiscation,
since their other attempts at registration have been frustrated. If
they really cared "for the children" they'd be fighting drugs instead
of trying to legalize them.

Who among you would be dumb enough to tell a stranger if you keep gold
in the house and how it's secured?


This is the wrong question. The correct question - actually, questions
- a

1. Do gun owners respond to the survey at different rates today than
they did in the past?
2. If they do respond, have they begun responding untruthfully at
higher rates now than in the past?

There is no sound reason to believe the answer to either question is
"yes". Gun owners probably respond at the same rate as in the past, and
those who respond probably respond truthfully at the same rate.


What's measurable and measured, without the benefit of experimental testing, is that ALL types of respondents respond at lower rates than in the past. This may bias responses of gun owners because it's clear that conservatives are more likely NOT to respond than they were in the past than liberals are.

But, as I said, some experimental testing has shown that people who would not tell the truth on a gun-ownership question are the same people who don't respond to the survey at all, and thus are not counted either way. If the survey is a good one, it will include a couple of political questions and then weight results to compensate for non-respondent bias based on political leanings.

What may not be understood here is that surveys run by the big organizations -- Gallup, Pew, or the GSS. for example -- take account of these kinds of problems and make adjustments to get valid statistics. Lying on a question about gun ownership is part of an entire class of survey problems called "Demand Characteristics." You may remember one conducted a few years ago in which the question was asked of known CCW holders. The percentage of false responses was extremely low.

The corrections are good, for the most past. Look at the result of the last election, which was LOADED with demand characteristics. The major pollsters' average was within something like 1.2% of the actual results: spectacularly close for any survey with an overall result close to 50%. That's the most difficult scenario and the polling results don't get any better.

State polls, which were performed mostly by smaller pollsters and with much less professionalism, were much worse. That's to be expected.

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