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I'm working on interfacing a PLC to an existing machine that's full of relays. I got to thinking that it would be a real time saver if I had a relay breakout board of sorts. What I'm picturing is a relay base (in this case an 8 pin rectangular that plugs into an 11 pin socket) that breaks out into screw terminals.

The effect would be like piggybacking another socket on top of the original.. That would allow pre-wiring a lot of stuff and minimizing downtime, as well as making the modifications easily reversible.

So, does such a device exist?
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I'm working on interfacing a PLC to an existing machine that's full of
relays. I got to thinking that it would be a real time saver if I had a
relay breakout board of sorts. What I'm picturing is a relay base (in this
case an 8 pin rectangular that plugs into an 11 pin socket) that breaks out
into screw terminals.

The effect would be like piggybacking another socket on top of the original.
That would allow pre-wiring a lot of stuff and minimizing downtime, as well
as making the modifications easily reversible.

So, does such a device exist?

They shure do exist.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/5pcs-8-Pin-P...1%26rkt%3D1%26

Best Regards.
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I'm working on interfacing a PLC to an existing machine that's full of
relays. I got to thinking that it would be a real time saver if I had a
relay breakout board of sorts. What I'm picturing is a relay base (in this
case an 8 pin rectangular that plugs into an 11 pin socket) that breaks out
into screw terminals.

The effect would be like piggybacking another socket on top of the original.
That would allow pre-wiring a lot of stuff and minimizing downtime, as well
as making the modifications easily reversible.

So, does such a device exist?

They shure do exist.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/5pcs-8-Pin-P...1%26rkt%3D1%26

Best Regards.
Tom.


hmm. Maybe I didn't explain very well. The existing relays are already in existing sockets. I am looking for a device that can plug into the already existing sockets and provide a new set of screw terminals for me to connect to, so that I can make my connections without disturbing the existing wiring.

Also, the sockets in question are rectangular, not round. Like these: http://www.newark.com/idec/sr3b-05/r...00v/dp/13M2994
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I'm working on interfacing a PLC to an existing machine that's full of
relays. I got to thinking that it would be a real time saver if I had a
relay breakout board of sorts. What I'm picturing is a relay base (in this
case an 8 pin rectangular that plugs into an 11 pin socket) that breaks out
into screw terminals.

The effect would be like piggybacking another socket on top of the original.
That would allow pre-wiring a lot of stuff and minimizing downtime, as well
as making the modifications easily reversible.

So, does such a device exist?

They shure do exist.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/5pcs-8-Pin-P...1%26rkt%3D1%26

Best Regards.
Tom.


hmm. Maybe I didn't explain very well. The existing relays are already in existing sockets. I am looking for a device that can plug into the already existing sockets and provide a new set of screw terminals for me to connect to, so that I can make my connections without disturbing the existing wiring.

Also, the sockets in question are rectangular, not round. Like these: http://www.newark.com/idec/sr3b-05/r...00v/dp/13M2994


A bit of work... buy the socket you linked to and a relay to fit it. An
old defunct relay would probably be fine. Cut off the workings from the
relay but retain some connections to solder/attach wires to. Basically
make a short extender cable

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hmm. Maybe I didn't explain very well. The existing relays ...


Nah, you explained well; the respondent didn't read well or jumped to a
conclusion too quickly...

....

Agree on the usefulness; no, I haven't seen the device.

I'd suggest contacting IDEC if that's the actual product and see what
they say...issue against there being one would likely be just the
holddown and reliability issue that they wouldn't want to have with the
interposing part so can guess it never would have made production even
if somebody in engineering had the thought.

But the unasked question...

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I'm working on interfacing a PLC to an existing machine that's full of
relays. I got to thinking that it would be a real time saver if I had a
relay breakout board of sorts. What I'm picturing is a relay base (in this
case an 8 pin rectangular that plugs into an 11 pin socket) that breaks
out into screw terminals.

The effect would be like piggybacking another socket on top of the
original. That would allow pre-wiring a lot of stuff and minimizing
downtime, as well as making the modifications easily reversible.

So, does such a device exist?

Yup. Screw-terminal sockets for certain common relay sizes definitely do
exist, I have some here for 2 stypes of "ice cube" relays. Not exactly sure
what you are looking for in this piggyback thing, but to just plug an ice
cube relay into a socket and have everything connected by screw terminals,
you should be able to find those.

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The existing relays are already in
existing sockets. I am looking for a device that can plug into the already
existing sockets and provide a new set of screw terminals for me to
connect to, so that I can make my connections without disturbing the
existing wiring.

OK, you want to REMOVE the relays, and have something with screw terminals
that plug in IN PLACE OF the relays? No, I can't think of something quite
like that, off the shelf. Those relay sockets look like they take 1/4" or
maybe smaller spade terminals, so you can get crimp-type male spade
terminals and wire them to terminals strips. So, you could make such an
adaptor.

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Yup. Screw-terminal sockets for certain common relay sizes definitely do
exist, I have some here for 2 stypes of "ice cube" relays. Not exactly sure
what you are looking for in this piggyback thing, but to just plug an ice
cube relay into a socket and have everything connected by screw terminals,
you should be able to find those.

....

Nope; the "piggyback thing" is precisely that; a pass thru socket that
would provide a second parallel set of contacts independent in
connection point to the originals so he can leave present wiring intact
and add additional for test/upgrade w/o interfering with present
operation. He's already got a screw terminal base...

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On Saturday, June 10, 2017 at 10:05:33 PM UTC-4, Jon Elson wrote:
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The existing relays are already in
existing sockets. I am looking for a device that can plug into the already
existing sockets and provide a new set of screw terminals for me to
connect to, so that I can make my connections without disturbing the
existing wiring.

OK, you want to REMOVE the relays, and have something with screw terminals
that plug in IN PLACE OF the relays? No, I can't think of something quite
like that, off the shelf. Those relay sockets look like they take 1/4" or
maybe smaller spade terminals, so you can get crimp-type male spade
terminals and wire them to terminals strips. So, you could make such an
adaptor.

Jon


They do use the smaller 0.187" terminals, and I have considered just crimping terminals on my wires and plugging them directly into the sockets rather than crimping ferrules onto my wires (I try to always do that for neatness & reliability) and putting them under screw terminals. That would be a cheaper, almost no-parts solution. It's a problem, though, if I want to put more than one wire on a terminal.
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rangerssuck wrote:

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Yup. Screw-terminal sockets for certain common relay sizes definitely do
exist, I have some here for 2 stypes of "ice cube" relays. Not exactly sure
what you are looking for in this piggyback thing, but to just plug an ice
cube relay into a socket and have everything connected by screw terminals,
you should be able to find those.

...

Nope; the "piggyback thing" is precisely that; a pass thru socket that
would provide a second parallel set of contacts independent in
connection point to the originals so he can leave present wiring intact
and add additional for test/upgrade w/o interfering with present
operation. He's already got a screw terminal base...

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Correct. I do a lot of this kind of work, and these relays are very common in older equipment. Pulling out the relays leaves a very tempting place to interface the new controls without ripping out existing wiring.


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I'm working on interfacing a PLC to an existing machine that's full of
relays. I got to thinking that it would be a real time saver if I had a
relay breakout board of sorts. What I'm picturing is a relay base (in this
case an 8 pin rectangular that plugs into an 11 pin socket) that breaks out
into screw terminals.

The effect would be like piggybacking another socket on top of the original.
That would allow pre-wiring a lot of stuff and minimizing downtime, as well
as making the modifications easily reversible.

So, does such a device exist?

They shure do exist.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/5pcs-8-Pin-P...1%26rkt%3D1%26

Best Regards.
Tom.


Octal based relays only. Which isnt necessarily a bad thing..but they
are getting a bit harder to find.

This may be more along the lines of what he needs

http://www.ebay.com/itm/7-AMF-POTTER...AOSwsXFZMAa s


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"rangerssuck" wrote in message
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I'm working on interfacing a PLC to an existing machine that's full of
relays. I got to thinking that it would be a real time saver if I had a
relay breakout board of sorts. What I'm picturing is a relay base (in this
case an 8 pin rectangular that plugs into an 11 pin socket) that breaks out
into screw terminals.

The effect would be like piggybacking another socket on top of the original.
That would allow pre-wiring a lot of stuff and minimizing downtime, as well
as making the modifications easily reversible.

So, does such a device exist?

They shure do exist.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/5pcs-8-Pin-P...1%26rkt%3D1%26

Best Regards.
Tom.


Octal based relays only. Which isnt necessarily a bad thing..but they
are getting a bit harder to find.

This may be more along the lines of what he needs

http://www.ebay.com/itm/7-AMF-POTTER...AOSwsXFZMAa s


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This is even further from what I'm looking for. Reading the original post and the rest of the followups would help, Gunner.
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I'm working on interfacing a PLC to an existing machine that's full of
relays. I got to thinking that it would be a real time saver if I had a
relay breakout board of sorts. What I'm picturing is a relay base (in this
case an 8 pin rectangular that plugs into an 11 pin socket) that breaks out
into screw terminals.

The effect would be like piggybacking another socket on top of the original.
That would allow pre-wiring a lot of stuff and minimizing downtime, as well
as making the modifications easily reversible.

So, does such a device exist?

They shure do exist.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/5pcs-8-Pin-P...1%26rkt%3D1%26

Best Regards.
Tom.


Octal based relays only. Which isnt necessarily a bad thing..but they
are getting a bit harder to find.

This may be more along the lines of what he needs

http://www.ebay.com/itm/7-AMF-POTTER...AOSwsXFZMAa s


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This is even further from what I'm looking for. Reading the original post and the rest of the followups would help, Gunner.


I wrote after reading your post. I reviewed the later posts after
posting. You will not find what you are looking for in this lifetime,
unless you make your own.

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On Friday, June 9, 2017 at 4:00:52 PM UTC-4, rangerssuck wrote:
I'm working on interfacing a PLC to an existing machine that's full of relays. I got to thinking that it would be a real time saver if I had a relay breakout board of sorts. What I'm picturing is a relay base (in this case an 8 pin rectangular that plugs into an 11 pin socket) that breaks out into screw terminals.

The effect would be like piggybacking another socket on top of the original. That would allow pre-wiring a lot of stuff and minimizing downtime, as well as making the modifications easily reversible.

So, does such a device exist?


Further to the discussion, back in the day, I used to use devices like this https://goo.gl/AcrMwL in my test fixtures. This was a "socket saver" meant to protect the socket from repeated insertions and retractions, while providing convenient points to probe the connections.

Something like that with the correct socket configuration and larger tabs with screw terminals or even just plain tabs to accept .250" faston connectors would be great. Would even need the second set of socket receptacles, though that would be a bonus.

Perhaps the tabs wouldn't have to come out of the periphery, the could just be .250 (or probably easier, .187) faston tabs where the socket receptacles would be. Sort of a male-male relay adapter.
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I'm working on interfacing a PLC to an existing machine that's full of relays. I got to thinking that it would be a real time saver if I had a relay breakout board of sorts. What I'm picturing is a relay base (in this case an 8 pin rectangular that plugs into an 11 pin socket) that breaks out into screw terminals.

The effect would be like piggybacking another socket on top of the original. That would allow pre-wiring a lot of stuff and minimizing downtime, as well as making the modifications easily reversible.

So, does such a device exist?

like this?
https://www.amazon.com/POTTER-BRUMFI...SIN=B06Y2GCZ22


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On 6/9/2017 3:00 PM, rangerssuck wrote:
I'm working on interfacing a PLC to an existing machine that's full of relays. I got to thinking that it would be a real time saver if I had a relay breakout board of sorts. What I'm picturing is a relay base (in this case an 8 pin rectangular that plugs into an 11 pin socket) that breaks out into screw terminals.

The effect would be like piggybacking another socket on top of the original. That would allow pre-wiring a lot of stuff and minimizing downtime, as well as making the modifications easily reversible.

So, does such a device exist?

like this?
https://www.amazon.com/POTTER-BRUMFI...SIN=B06Y2GCZ22


No, not like this. What you suggested is a relay socket - I really thought I had made it clear that I'm looking for something that will plug into an already existing relay socket, and bring the connections out to screw terminals.

For the third, fourth or fifth time: I work on lots of machines that have cabinets loaded with this sort of relay socket (with relays plugged in). I upgrade these machines by adding PLCs in place of the relays. It would be a good thing if I had the ability to just plug my wiring into the already existing relay sockets.

Therefore, I'm looking for either a male plug shaped like the relay base that would plug into the socket you linked to and provide a duplicate set of screw terminals; or even better, a socket with the female terminals (and screw terminals) on top and male terminals (like on a relay) on the bottom so that the device could plug int the existing socket , provide an extra set of screw terminals AND optionally have a relay plugged into it. So it sould sandwich between the original socket and the original relay.

I'm not sure how to describe it any more clearly.
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On Monday, June 12, 2017 at 12:09:01 PM UTC-4, googlemyass wrote:
On 6/9/2017 3:00 PM, rangerssuck wrote:
I'm working on interfacing a PLC to an existing machine that's
full of relays. I got to thinking that it would be a real time
saver if I had a relay breakout board of sorts. What I'm picturing
is a relay base (in this case an 8 pin rectangular that plugs into
an 11 pin socket) that breaks out into screw terminals.

The effect would be like piggybacking another socket on top of the
original. That would allow pre-wiring a lot of stuff and
minimizing downtime, as well as making the modifications easily
reversible.

So, does such a device exist?

like this?
https://www.amazon.com/POTTER-BRUMFI...SIN=B06Y2GCZ22


No, not like this. What you suggested is a relay socket - I really
thought I had made it clear that I'm looking for something that will
plug into an already existing relay socket, and bring the connections
out to screw terminals.

For the third, fourth or fifth time: I work on lots of machines that
have cabinets loaded with this sort of relay socket (with relays
plugged in). I upgrade these machines by adding PLCs in place of the
relays. It would be a good thing if I had the ability to just plug my
wiring into the already existing relay sockets.

Therefore, I'm looking for either a male plug shaped like the relay
base that would plug into the socket you linked to and provide a
duplicate set of screw terminals; or even better, a socket with the
female terminals (and screw terminals) on top and male terminals (like
on a relay) on the bottom so that the device could plug int the
existing socket , provide an extra set of screw terminals AND
optionally have a relay plugged into it. So it sould sandwich between
the original socket and the original relay.

I'm not sure how to describe it any more clearly.

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http://www.ebay.com/itm/Octal-Tube-T...-/142407703229


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On Monday, June 12, 2017 at 12:09:01 PM UTC-4, googlemyass wrote:
On 6/9/2017 3:00 PM, rangerssuck wrote:
I'm working on interfacing a PLC to an existing machine that's
full of relays. I got to thinking that it would be a real time
saver if I had a relay breakout board of sorts. What I'm
picturing is a relay base (in this case an 8 pin rectangular that
plugs into an 11 pin socket) that breaks out into screw
terminals.

The effect would be like piggybacking another socket on top of
the original. That would allow pre-wiring a lot of stuff and
minimizing downtime, as well as making the modifications easily
reversible.

So, does such a device exist?

like this?
https://www.amazon.com/POTTER-BRUMFI...SIN=B06Y2GCZ22


No, not like this. What you suggested is a relay socket - I really
thought I had made it clear that I'm looking for something that will
plug into an already existing relay socket, and bring the
connections out to screw terminals.

For the third, fourth or fifth time: I work on lots of machines that
have cabinets loaded with this sort of relay socket (with relays
plugged in). I upgrade these machines by adding PLCs in place of the
relays. It would be a good thing if I had the ability to just plug
my wiring into the already existing relay sockets.

Therefore, I'm looking for either a male plug shaped like the relay
base that would plug into the socket you linked to and provide a
duplicate set of screw terminals; or even better, a socket with the
female terminals (and screw terminals) on top and male terminals
(like on a relay) on the bottom so that the device could plug int
the existing socket , provide an extra set of screw terminals AND
optionally have a relay plugged into it. So it sould sandwich
between the original socket and the original relay.

I'm not sure how to describe it any more clearly.

================
Similar in concept to this?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Octal-Tube-T...-/142407703229


Another near miss:
https://www.amazon.com/Lisle-56810-R.../dp/B002MCX6LY

I designed and assembled relay logic industrial controls back in the
day, but never heard of a test socket or extender for them.
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On Monday, June 12, 2017 at 12:09:01 PM UTC-4, googlemyass wrote:
On 6/9/2017 3:00 PM, rangerssuck wrote:
I'm working on interfacing a PLC to an existing machine that's
full of relays. I got to thinking that it would be a real time
saver if I had a relay breakout board of sorts. What I'm
picturing is a relay base (in this case an 8 pin rectangular
that plugs into an 11 pin socket) that breaks out into screw
terminals.

The effect would be like piggybacking another socket on top of
the original. That would allow pre-wiring a lot of stuff and
minimizing downtime, as well as making the modifications easily
reversible.

So, does such a device exist?

like this?
https://www.amazon.com/POTTER-BRUMFI...SIN=B06Y2GCZ22


No, not like this. What you suggested is a relay socket - I really
thought I had made it clear that I'm looking for something that
will plug into an already existing relay socket, and bring the
connections out to screw terminals.

For the third, fourth or fifth time: I work on lots of machines
that have cabinets loaded with this sort of relay socket (with
relays plugged in). I upgrade these machines by adding PLCs in
place of the relays. It would be a good thing if I had the ability
to just plug my wiring into the already existing relay sockets.

Therefore, I'm looking for either a male plug shaped like the relay
base that would plug into the socket you linked to and provide a
duplicate set of screw terminals; or even better, a socket with the
female terminals (and screw terminals) on top and male terminals
(like on a relay) on the bottom so that the device could plug int
the existing socket , provide an extra set of screw terminals AND
optionally have a relay plugged into it. So it sould sandwich
between the original socket and the original relay.

I'm not sure how to describe it any more clearly.

================
Similar in concept to this?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Octal-Tube-T...-/142407703229


Another near miss:
https://www.amazon.com/Lisle-56810-R.../dp/B002MCX6LY

I designed and assembled relay logic industrial controls back in the
day, but never heard of a test socket or extender for them.
-jsw


No joy googling Ice Cube Relay plug, base, extender, etc.
-jsw


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On 6/9/2017 3:00 PM, rangerssuck wrote:
I'm working on interfacing a PLC to an existing machine that's
full of relays. I got to thinking that it would be a real time
saver if I had a relay breakout board of sorts. What I'm picturing
is a relay base (in this case an 8 pin rectangular that plugs into
an 11 pin socket) that breaks out into screw terminals.

The effect would be like piggybacking another socket on top of the
original. That would allow pre-wiring a lot of stuff and
minimizing downtime, as well as making the modifications easily
reversible.

So, does such a device exist?

like this?
https://www.amazon.com/POTTER-BRUMFI...SIN=B06Y2GCZ22


No, not like this. What you suggested is a relay socket - I really
thought I had made it clear that I'm looking for something that will
plug into an already existing relay socket, and bring the connections
out to screw terminals.

For the third, fourth or fifth time: I work on lots of machines that
have cabinets loaded with this sort of relay socket (with relays
plugged in). I upgrade these machines by adding PLCs in place of the
relays. It would be a good thing if I had the ability to just plug my
wiring into the already existing relay sockets.

Therefore, I'm looking for either a male plug shaped like the relay
base that would plug into the socket you linked to and provide a
duplicate set of screw terminals; or even better, a socket with the
female terminals (and screw terminals) on top and male terminals (like
on a relay) on the bottom so that the device could plug int the
existing socket , provide an extra set of screw terminals AND
optionally have a relay plugged into it. So it sould sandwich between
the original socket and the original relay.

I'm not sure how to describe it any more clearly.

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Similar in concept to this?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Octal-Tube-T...-/142407703229


If you have enough of a requirement for them, it would not be terribly
expensive to have a couple hundred PC boards made up to accept pc
board terminal blocks like:
http://www.globalspec.com/learnmore/...erminal_blocks
to connect your wires to, and PC mount blade type power connectors
like
https://www.google.ca/search?q=pc+bo... 1497314425603.
arranged to fit the relay socket. I've had similar boards made up,
populated with the correct terminals for something like $10 - $15 each
in quantities of 100 about thirty years ago. The ones I had made were
to convert the connections of an odd-ball CD RON drive to accept a
standard cable connector.
Make up a few hundred and sell them to your competition - - - -


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On Monday, June 12, 2017 at 12:09:01 PM UTC-4, googlemyass wrote:
On 6/9/2017 3:00 PM, rangerssuck wrote:
I'm working on interfacing a PLC to an existing machine that's
full of relays. I got to thinking that it would be a real time
saver if I had a relay breakout board of sorts. What I'm
picturing is a relay base (in this case an 8 pin rectangular
that plugs into an 11 pin socket) that breaks out into screw
terminals.

The effect would be like piggybacking another socket on top of
the original. That would allow pre-wiring a lot of stuff and
minimizing downtime, as well as making the modifications easily
reversible.

So, does such a device exist?

like this?
https://www.amazon.com/POTTER-BRUMFI...SIN=B06Y2GCZ22

No, not like this. What you suggested is a relay socket - I really
thought I had made it clear that I'm looking for something that
will plug into an already existing relay socket, and bring the
connections out to screw terminals.

For the third, fourth or fifth time: I work on lots of machines
that have cabinets loaded with this sort of relay socket (with
relays plugged in). I upgrade these machines by adding PLCs in
place of the relays. It would be a good thing if I had the ability
to just plug my wiring into the already existing relay sockets.

Therefore, I'm looking for either a male plug shaped like the relay
base that would plug into the socket you linked to and provide a
duplicate set of screw terminals; or even better, a socket with the
female terminals (and screw terminals) on top and male terminals
(like on a relay) on the bottom so that the device could plug int
the existing socket , provide an extra set of screw terminals AND
optionally have a relay plugged into it. So it sould sandwich
between the original socket and the original relay.

I'm not sure how to describe it any more clearly.

================
Similar in concept to this?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Octal-Tube-T...-/142407703229


Another near miss:
https://www.amazon.com/Lisle-56810-R.../dp/B002MCX6LY

I designed and assembled relay logic industrial controls back in the
day, but never heard of a test socket or extender for them.
-jsw


No joy googling Ice Cube Relay plug, base, extender, etc.
-jsw

Which base configuration? If it is a standard OCTAL base there used to
be breakout test plugs for tubes that would do the job. They had
either binding posts or fahnstock clips on them. Haven't seen them for
YEARS but they used to be readily available from what I remember from
my days fooling around with old tube radios. One of the mailorder
places I used to deal with carried them, I think.
Not difficult to have something custom made in reasonable quantities
at a decent price today.
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On Monday, June 12, 2017 at 12:09:01 PM UTC-4, googlemyass wrote:
On 6/9/2017 3:00 PM, rangerssuck wrote:
I'm working on interfacing a PLC to an existing machine that's
full of relays. I got to thinking that it would be a real time
saver if I had a relay breakout board of sorts. What I'm
picturing
is a relay base (in this case an 8 pin rectangular that plugs
into
an 11 pin socket) that breaks out into screw terminals.

The effect would be like piggybacking another socket on top of
the
original. That would allow pre-wiring a lot of stuff and
minimizing downtime, as well as making the modifications easily
reversible.

So, does such a device exist?

like this?
https://www.amazon.com/POTTER-BRUMFI...SIN=B06Y2GCZ22


No, not like this. What you suggested is a relay socket - I really
thought I had made it clear that I'm looking for something that will
plug into an already existing relay socket, and bring the
connections
out to screw terminals.

For the third, fourth or fifth time: I work on lots of machines that
have cabinets loaded with this sort of relay socket (with relays
plugged in). I upgrade these machines by adding PLCs in place of the
relays. It would be a good thing if I had the ability to just plug
my
wiring into the already existing relay sockets.

Therefore, I'm looking for either a male plug shaped like the relay
base that would plug into the socket you linked to and provide a
duplicate set of screw terminals; or even better, a socket with the
female terminals (and screw terminals) on top and male terminals
(like
on a relay) on the bottom so that the device could plug int the
existing socket , provide an extra set of screw terminals AND
optionally have a relay plugged into it. So it sould sandwich
between
the original socket and the original relay.

I'm not sure how to describe it any more clearly.

================
Similar in concept to this?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Octal-Tube-T...-/142407703229


If you have enough of a requirement for them, it would not be
terribly
expensive to have a couple hundred PC boards made up to accept pc
board terminal blocks like:
http://www.globalspec.com/learnmore/...erminal_blocks
to connect your wires to, and PC mount blade type power connectors
like
https://www.google.ca/search?q=pc+bo... 1497314425603.
arranged to fit the relay socket. I've had similar boards made up,
populated with the correct terminals for something like $10 - $15
each
in quantities of 100 about thirty years ago. The ones I had made
were
to convert the connections of an odd-ball CD RON drive to accept a
standard cable connector.
Make up a few hundred and sell them to your competition - - - -


I wouldn't design the board until I had samples of the parts in hand
to measure, and would make it double sided so the blades and socket
are soldered on the opposite side to retain them, unless you can
jockey the socket pins and blades into the same holes to make an
in-line extender. That might take some experimenting with the parts
and blank board material, and perhaps a call to the board fabricator
to find out what you can and can't do or will pay more for, known as
the design rules. For example you may have a choice of routed edges,
sheared edges or a larger panel of boards you break apart along rows
of perforations.

-jsw


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On Mon, 12 Jun 2017 21:42:36 -0400, "Jim Wilkins"
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On Mon, 12 Jun 2017 18:01:07 -0400, "Jim Wilkins"
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"rangerssuck" wrote in message
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On Monday, June 12, 2017 at 12:09:01 PM UTC-4, googlemyass wrote:
On 6/9/2017 3:00 PM, rangerssuck wrote:
I'm working on interfacing a PLC to an existing machine that's
full of relays. I got to thinking that it would be a real time
saver if I had a relay breakout board of sorts. What I'm
picturing
is a relay base (in this case an 8 pin rectangular that plugs
into
an 11 pin socket) that breaks out into screw terminals.

The effect would be like piggybacking another socket on top of
the
original. That would allow pre-wiring a lot of stuff and
minimizing downtime, as well as making the modifications easily
reversible.

So, does such a device exist?

like this?
https://www.amazon.com/POTTER-BRUMFI...SIN=B06Y2GCZ22

No, not like this. What you suggested is a relay socket - I really
thought I had made it clear that I'm looking for something that will
plug into an already existing relay socket, and bring the
connections
out to screw terminals.

For the third, fourth or fifth time: I work on lots of machines that
have cabinets loaded with this sort of relay socket (with relays
plugged in). I upgrade these machines by adding PLCs in place of the
relays. It would be a good thing if I had the ability to just plug
my
wiring into the already existing relay sockets.

Therefore, I'm looking for either a male plug shaped like the relay
base that would plug into the socket you linked to and provide a
duplicate set of screw terminals; or even better, a socket with the
female terminals (and screw terminals) on top and male terminals
(like
on a relay) on the bottom so that the device could plug int the
existing socket , provide an extra set of screw terminals AND
optionally have a relay plugged into it. So it sould sandwich
between
the original socket and the original relay.

I'm not sure how to describe it any more clearly.

================
Similar in concept to this?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Octal-Tube-T...-/142407703229


If you have enough of a requirement for them, it would not be
terribly
expensive to have a couple hundred PC boards made up to accept pc
board terminal blocks like:
http://www.globalspec.com/learnmore/...erminal_blocks
to connect your wires to, and PC mount blade type power connectors
like
https://www.google.ca/search?q=pc+bo... 1497314425603.
arranged to fit the relay socket. I've had similar boards made up,
populated with the correct terminals for something like $10 - $15
each
in quantities of 100 about thirty years ago. The ones I had made
were
to convert the connections of an odd-ball CD RON drive to accept a
standard cable connector.
Make up a few hundred and sell them to your competition - - - -


I wouldn't design the board until I had samples of the parts in hand
to measure, and would make it double sided so the blades and socket
are soldered on the opposite side to retain them, unless you can
jockey the socket pins and blades into the same holes to make an
in-line extender. That might take some experimenting with the parts
and blank board material, and perhaps a call to the board fabricator
to find out what you can and can't do or will pay more for, known as
the design rules. For example you may have a choice of routed edges,
sheared edges or a larger panel of boards you break apart along rows
of perforations.

-jsw

A double sided board would definitely be the best way to go, but there
are connectors made that would allow the relay connectors to be
soldered on the pin side, allowing the simpler single sided board to
be used with pins and wire terminals on opposite sides.

Lots of options - and very worth while investigating if the OP is
doing any appreciable volume in conversions.
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As long as we're offering up unasked for solutions, and since the
sockets are symmetrical, it'd be possible to mate two sockets
face-to-face with copper or brass double length tabs in place of the
relay pins to link the two together. Perhaps one end of the tabs could
be deformed so they'd stay with the top socket when it's unplugged.

I don't have an example of the Idec SR sockets in question, but I do
have some similar Idec RH relays & sockets. The tabs are about .020 x
..180 x .250 long.

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I'm working on interfacing a PLC to an existing machine that's full of relays. I got to thinking that it would be a real time saver if I had a relay breakout board of sorts. What I'm picturing is a relay base (in this case an 8 pin rectangular that plugs into an 11 pin socket) that breaks out into screw terminals.

The effect would be like piggybacking another socket on top of the original. That would allow pre-wiring a lot of stuff and minimizing downtime, as well as making the modifications easily reversible.

So, does such a device exist?



I know exactly what you want. How many, how soon and how much...I might
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On Monday, June 12, 2017 at 6:00:56 PM UTC-4, Jim Wilkins wrote:
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On Monday, June 12, 2017 at 12:09:01 PM UTC-4, googlemyass wrote:
On 6/9/2017 3:00 PM, rangerssuck wrote:
I'm working on interfacing a PLC to an existing machine that's
full of relays. I got to thinking that it would be a real time
saver if I had a relay breakout board of sorts. What I'm picturing
is a relay base (in this case an 8 pin rectangular that plugs into
an 11 pin socket) that breaks out into screw terminals.

The effect would be like piggybacking another socket on top of the
original. That would allow pre-wiring a lot of stuff and
minimizing downtime, as well as making the modifications easily
reversible.

So, does such a device exist?

like this?
https://www.amazon.com/POTTER-BRUMFI...SIN=B06Y2GCZ22


No, not like this. What you suggested is a relay socket - I really
thought I had made it clear that I'm looking for something that will
plug into an already existing relay socket, and bring the connections
out to screw terminals.

For the third, fourth or fifth time: I work on lots of machines that
have cabinets loaded with this sort of relay socket (with relays
plugged in). I upgrade these machines by adding PLCs in place of the
relays. It would be a good thing if I had the ability to just plug my
wiring into the already existing relay sockets.

Therefore, I'm looking for either a male plug shaped like the relay
base that would plug into the socket you linked to and provide a
duplicate set of screw terminals; or even better, a socket with the
female terminals (and screw terminals) on top and male terminals (like
on a relay) on the bottom so that the device could plug int the
existing socket , provide an extra set of screw terminals AND
optionally have a relay plugged into it. So it sould sandwich between
the original socket and the original relay.

I'm not sure how to describe it any more clearly.

================
Similar in concept to this?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Octal-Tube-T...-/142407703229


Yes, similar in concept (I spent three years at a job using those identical socket savers - brings back memories) but entirely the wrong socket. Also, the probe tabs would need screw terminals. But yes, this is the right (sort of) idea.
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On Mon, 12 Jun 2017 21:42:36 -0400, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote:

As long as we're offering up unasked for solutions, and since the
sockets are symmetrical, it'd be possible to mate two sockets
face-to-face with copper or brass double length tabs in place of the
relay pins to link the two together. Perhaps one end of the tabs could
be deformed so they'd stay with the top socket when it's unplugged.

I don't have an example of the Idec SR sockets in question, but I do
have some similar Idec RH relays & sockets. The tabs are about .020 x
.180 x .250 long.

--
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Not a bad idea except A) the sockets are not symmetrical - they may look so in the photos, but the row spacing of the pins differs. B) the second set of screw terminals ends up facing the wrong way.
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On Mon, 12 Jun 2017 18:01:07 -0400, "Jim Wilkins"
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"rangerssuck" wrote in message
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On Monday, June 12, 2017 at 12:09:01 PM UTC-4, googlemyass wrote:
On 6/9/2017 3:00 PM, rangerssuck wrote:
I'm working on interfacing a PLC to an existing machine that's
full of relays. I got to thinking that it would be a real time
saver if I had a relay breakout board of sorts. What I'm
picturing
is a relay base (in this case an 8 pin rectangular that plugs
into
an 11 pin socket) that breaks out into screw terminals.

The effect would be like piggybacking another socket on top of
the
original. That would allow pre-wiring a lot of stuff and
minimizing downtime, as well as making the modifications easily
reversible.

So, does such a device exist?

like this?
https://www.amazon.com/POTTER-BRUMFI...SIN=B06Y2GCZ22

No, not like this. What you suggested is a relay socket - I really
thought I had made it clear that I'm looking for something that will
plug into an already existing relay socket, and bring the
connections
out to screw terminals.

For the third, fourth or fifth time: I work on lots of machines that
have cabinets loaded with this sort of relay socket (with relays
plugged in). I upgrade these machines by adding PLCs in place of the
relays. It would be a good thing if I had the ability to just plug
my
wiring into the already existing relay sockets.

Therefore, I'm looking for either a male plug shaped like the relay
base that would plug into the socket you linked to and provide a
duplicate set of screw terminals; or even better, a socket with the
female terminals (and screw terminals) on top and male terminals
(like
on a relay) on the bottom so that the device could plug int the
existing socket , provide an extra set of screw terminals AND
optionally have a relay plugged into it. So it sould sandwich
between
the original socket and the original relay.

I'm not sure how to describe it any more clearly.

================
Similar in concept to this?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Octal-Tube-T...-/142407703229


If you have enough of a requirement for them, it would not be
terribly
expensive to have a couple hundred PC boards made up to accept pc
board terminal blocks like:
http://www.globalspec.com/learnmore/...erminal_blocks
to connect your wires to, and PC mount blade type power connectors
like
https://www.google.ca/search?q=pc+bo... 1497314425603.
arranged to fit the relay socket. I've had similar boards made up,
populated with the correct terminals for something like $10 - $15
each
in quantities of 100 about thirty years ago. The ones I had made
were
to convert the connections of an odd-ball CD RON drive to accept a
standard cable connector.
Make up a few hundred and sell them to your competition - - - -


I wouldn't design the board until I had samples of the parts in hand
to measure, and would make it double sided so the blades and socket
are soldered on the opposite side to retain them, unless you can
jockey the socket pins and blades into the same holes to make an
in-line extender. That might take some experimenting with the parts
and blank board material, and perhaps a call to the board fabricator
to find out what you can and can't do or will pay more for, known as
the design rules. For example you may have a choice of routed edges,
sheared edges or a larger panel of boards you break apart along rows
of perforations.

-jsw

A double sided board would definitely be the best way to go, but there
are connectors made that would allow the relay connectors to be
soldered on the pin side, allowing the simpler single sided board to
be used with pins and wire terminals on opposite sides.

Lots of options - and very worth while investigating if the OP is
doing any appreciable volume in conversions.


I am completely familiar with design fabrication and assembly of PC boards (been doing it for around 40 years, ranging from stuff like this to 16 layer high-speed digital), but I was REALLY looking for an off-the-shelf solution. Y'know, go to www.xyz.abc.com and order part number 123-456-789 $1.98 (a guy can dream, right?) for a pack of ten sort of thing.

Also, I was thinking I could use individual .187" terminals crimped to my wires. I just tried that, and the results aren't great. The pin fits OK and makes a good connection, but the retention force of a single pin is pretty weak (compared to 8 pins on a DPDT relay, it's 1/8 of the retention), so I'd be afraid that the individual wires would fall out of the socket.

Maybe I will bang out a board, but it's yet another project I don't really have time for. Or, I could just wire the damned thing (the ice rink controller) up the old fashioned way and then worry about the next project later.
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I am completely familiar with design fabrication and assembly of PC
boards (been doing it for around 40 years, ranging from stuff like
this to 16 layer high-speed digital), but I was REALLY looking for an
off-the-shelf solution. Y'know, go to www.xyz.abc.com and order part
number 123-456-789 $1.98 (a guy can dream, right?) for a pack of ten
sort of thing.

Also, I was thinking I could use individual .187" terminals crimped to
my wires. I just tried that, and the results aren't great. The pin
fits OK and makes a good connection, but the retention force of a
single pin is pretty weak (compared to 8 pins on a DPDT relay, it's
1/8 of the retention), so I'd be afraid that the individual wires
would fall out of the socket.

Maybe I will bang out a board, but it's yet another project I don't
really have time for. Or, I could just wire the damned thing (the ice
rink controller) up the old fashioned way and then worry about the
next project later.
================

I did search briefly for unpopulated relay base plates or plugs to
make adapter cables. You might have better luck with a newer OS than
my XP and a faster connection. Usually I already know what I'm looking
for, such as "ice cube relay" or "Fashoda incident", and get a good
hit on the first page.

I couldn't find a picture of the old double-ended male fastons with a
center screw hole in my junk bins. They were meant as grounding
junctions. I also have a few L-shaped male fastons with mounting holes
in the second leg, that can be bolted to drilled insulating sheets.
These are from the 70's and may no longer be available.
-jsw


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