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On Wed, 04 Aug 2004 14:09:31 GMT, wmbjk
wrote: On 3 Aug 2004 20:42:58 GMT, Carl Nisarel wrote: Bjórrúnar skaltu Gunner rista -- So you actually agree with Leftist principles such as stealing from one individual and giving the loot to another? Just how did you pay for your hospital bill? That would be the Wimpy method - "I'll gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today". You weren't supposed to notice that for all intents and purposes, loot was stolen from the hospital and given to him. Of course Gunner sees it as more of a loan. As in, it's exactly like a loan, except for the lack of prior approval, adequate collateral, genuine interest, decent odds of payoff before more funds are required, or profit for the lender. I'm sure that if you were in a smoke and Mountain Dew induced haze, you'd understand why he's on Usenet all day bitching about Lefties. Wayne. Did you pay cash for your house, or are you still living with your parents? Gunner "In my humble opinion, the petty carping levied against Bush by the Democrats proves again, it is better to have your eye plucked out by an eagle than to be nibbled to death by ducks." - Norman Liebmann |
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It being a dull day, I decide to respond to what Gunner
foisted Wed, 04 Aug 2004 08:12:26 GMT on rec.crafts.metalworking , viz: I have a minor disagreement here, Gunner. I don't think it is the pendulum swinging, it is the parties. If one of the Patron Saints of the Democrat party, John Kennedy, was alive today and maintained the same political points of view that he had back in the early 60's, HE would be the right wing extremist. So the pendulum isn't swinging, it is only how the pendulum is viewed. The Republican party of today is even more left than the Democrat party of 40 years ago. That really worries me. Wayne There is indeed some truth to this. Who was it..Goldwater that said : "I didnt leave the Democrat party, it left me." Reagan, Jean Kilpatrick, Strom Thurmond (actually, it was the Democratic Federalists party which left him). And while the Republicans have lurched to the left in the last few decades, so have the Democrats. So now we have these two parties "On my left is the Republican Party, and on my Extreme Left is the Democrats." Gunner -- pyotr filipivich. as an explaination for the decline in the US's tech edge, James Niccol wrote "It used to be that the USA was pretty good at producing stuff teenaged boys could lose a finger or two playing with." |
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On Thu, 05 Aug 2004 04:06:18 GMT, Gunner
wrote: On Wed, 04 Aug 2004 14:09:31 GMT, wmbjk wrote: On 3 Aug 2004 20:42:58 GMT, Carl Nisarel wrote: Bjórrúnar skaltu Gunner rista -- So you actually agree with Leftist principles such as stealing from one individual and giving the loot to another? Just how did you pay for your hospital bill? That would be the Wimpy method - "I'll gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today". You weren't supposed to notice that for all intents and purposes, loot was stolen from the hospital and given to him. Of course Gunner sees it as more of a loan. As in, it's exactly like a loan, except for the lack of prior approval, adequate collateral, genuine interest, decent odds of payoff before more funds are required, or profit for the lender. I'm sure that if you were in a smoke and Mountain Dew induced haze, you'd understand why he's on Usenet all day bitching about Lefties. Wayne. Did you pay cash for your house, or are you still living with your parents? Gunner We own our place free and clear Wimpy. I'm sure you could have done the same if not for having to spend on necessities like smokes, Dew, cheesy poofs, and industrial-strength chair cushions. But look on the bright side - that Dale Gribble lifestyle should get you on full disability just in time for the 2008 election. With three checks arriving in the Gunnervision HQ mailbox each month, you can get a T1 and set some records. Wayne |
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On Thu, 05 Aug 2004 15:16:22 GMT, wmbjk
wrote: On Thu, 05 Aug 2004 04:06:18 GMT, Gunner wrote: On Wed, 04 Aug 2004 14:09:31 GMT, wmbjk wrote: On 3 Aug 2004 20:42:58 GMT, Carl Nisarel wrote: Bjórrúnar skaltu Gunner rista -- So you actually agree with Leftist principles such as stealing from one individual and giving the loot to another? Just how did you pay for your hospital bill? That would be the Wimpy method - "I'll gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today". You weren't supposed to notice that for all intents and purposes, loot was stolen from the hospital and given to him. Of course Gunner sees it as more of a loan. As in, it's exactly like a loan, except for the lack of prior approval, adequate collateral, genuine interest, decent odds of payoff before more funds are required, or profit for the lender. I'm sure that if you were in a smoke and Mountain Dew induced haze, you'd understand why he's on Usenet all day bitching about Lefties. Wayne. Did you pay cash for your house, or are you still living with your parents? Gunner We own our place free and clear Wimpy. I'm sure you could have done the same if not for having to spend on necessities like smokes, Dew, cheesy poofs, and industrial-strength chair cushions. But look on the bright side - that Dale Gribble lifestyle should get you on full disability just in time for the 2008 election. With three checks arriving in the Gunnervision HQ mailbox each month, you can get a T1 and set some records. Wayne So mom and dad finally paid off the note? Gunner "In my humble opinion, the petty carping levied against Bush by the Democrats proves again, it is better to have your eye plucked out by an eagle than to be nibbled to death by ducks." - Norman Liebmann |
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On Thu, 05 Aug 2004 16:12:40 GMT, Gunner
wrote: On Thu, 05 Aug 2004 15:16:22 GMT, wmbjk wrote: We own our place free and clear Wimpy. I'm sure you could have done the same if not for having to spend on necessities like smokes, Dew, cheesy poofs, and industrial-strength chair cushions. But look on the bright side - that Dale Gribble lifestyle should get you on full disability just in time for the 2008 election. With three checks arriving in the Gunnervision HQ mailbox each month, you can get a T1 and set some records. Wayne So mom and dad finally paid off the note? Gunner Geez, even lamer than your usual. Last time you sounded that helpless was a couple months back when you were posting 100 times a day. google author , last 4 days Yup, back up to 35 a day. My guess is that if you can get that number down to 2 or 3, and maybe even miss a few days once in a while gasp, then you'll have better comebacks, and might even be able to fool us into believing that you get out from in front of that monitor once in a while. Hey, looks like you might have inspired a Doonsebury http://www.arcamax.com/cgi-bin/news/channel/1001#doones Wayne |
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On 3 Aug 2004 13:12:27 -0700, jim rozen wrote:
In article , Gary Coffman says... On 1 Aug 2004 22:49:37 -0700, (Lennie the Lurker) wrote: The republicans have fought EVERY effort to stop polution, tooth and nail. Now which President was it who created the EPA? Well, well, it was that old devil tricky Dick Nixon, Republican. Hmm. OK he created them. But he didn't *like* them! He didn't have to like them. He realized that they were necessary. I had the chance to talk to him about that while he was waiting in the studio to do a satellite interview. He said that there was a limit to how much we could foul our nest without making it uninhabitable. He wanted the EPA to keep us inside that limit. I suspect that if I could have talked to him again in later years, he might have been appalled at *how far overboard* the EPA has gone on some things. But I also suspect he'd be generally pleased that our water and our air are cleaner than they were before the EPA. Gary |
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On Thu, 05 Aug 2004 18:26:13 GMT, wmbjk
wrote: Gunner Geez, even lamer than your usual. Last time you sounded that helpless was a couple months back when you were posting 100 times a day. google author , last 4 days Yup, back up to 35 a day. My guess is that if you can get that number down to 2 or 3, and maybe even miss a few days once in a while gasp, then you'll have better comebacks, and might even be able to fool us into believing that you get out from in front of that monitor once in a while. Im self employed. I work when there is work, and I putter when there isnt. I putter in my home shop when Im home on weekends, and here in this ****ty little 22' travel trailer..there aint much else to do. I neither drink, no do drugs, and limite my pool playing in bars to one night a week, if then. I rather enjoy the newsgroups, and as its a hobby of both choice and convienence, I persue it when Im not involved in other things. So feel free to eat the peanuts from my shorts. Gunner "In my humble opinion, the petty carping levied against Bush by the Democrats proves again, it is better to have your eye plucked out by an eagle than to be nibbled to death by ducks." - Norman Liebmann |
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On Fri, 06 Aug 2004 07:31:31 GMT, Gunner
wrote: I rather enjoy the newsgroups, and as its a hobby of both choice and convienence, I persue it when Im not involved in other things. I don't believe that spin for a moment. Reading blogs, Usenet, and email, and pounding that keyboard is job one, with the other stuff getting squeezed into the time left over. Too bad you aren't really Dale Gribble... Hank would lock you out of the basement. Wayne |
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On Fri, 06 Aug 2004 14:58:07 GMT, wmbjk
wrote: On Fri, 06 Aug 2004 07:31:31 GMT, Gunner wrote: I rather enjoy the newsgroups, and as its a hobby of both choice and convienence, I persue it when Im not involved in other things. I don't believe that spin for a moment. Reading blogs, Usenet, and email, and pounding that keyboard is job one, with the other stuff getting squeezed into the time left over. Too bad you aren't really Dale Gribble... Hank would lock you out of the basement. Wayne What you believe, whether it be black helicopters, or that mind control beams are attempting to find you, or that monkeys live under your bed is not only not germain, but a bit...ah...troubling from a man of your age. Gunner "In my humble opinion, the petty carping levied against Bush by the Democrats proves again, it is better to have your eye plucked out by an eagle than to be nibbled to death by ducks." - Norman Liebmann |
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On Fri, 06 Aug 2004 16:11:20 GMT, Gunner
wrote: On Fri, 06 Aug 2004 14:58:07 GMT, wmbjk wrote: On Fri, 06 Aug 2004 07:31:31 GMT, Gunner wrote: I rather enjoy the newsgroups, and as its a hobby of both choice and convienence, I persue it when Im not involved in other things. I don't believe that spin for a moment. Reading blogs, Usenet, and email, and pounding that keyboard is job one, with the other stuff getting squeezed into the time left over. Too bad you aren't really Dale Gribble... Hank would lock you out of the basement. Wayne What you believe, whether it be black helicopters, or that mind control beams are attempting to find you, or that monkeys live under your bed is not only not germain, but a bit...ah...troubling from a man of your age. Gunner See, there you go again. A guy who obviously spends a huge portion of his life sitting on his ass in front of a monitor, yet believes he's a workaholic, shouldn't be commenting on *anyone's* beliefs. Likewise, someone who wrote that an uninsured healthcare crisis would have him in a coffin, yet ran straight to the emergency room when the time came, is the last person who should be indignant about the cost of socialized medicine. What will you do for an encore, complain about people wasting bandwidth? Wayne |
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Don't be fooled by these cry babies- none of the people claiming to
know kerry or serve with him actually did. The site has been completely discredited. McCain has gone as far as asking Bush to denounce the site and all of its actors. Some service to your country- telling lies for money. Gunner wrote in message . .. On Mon, 02 Aug 2004 18:25:28 GMT, "NoOne N Particular" wrote: By the way, can anyone reading this confirm or deny that Kerry's picture is displayed in Vietnam as one of their heroes (and NOT for our side)? http://swiftvets.com/ http://www.swiftvets.com/index.php?topic=FAQ 1. If most of Kerry's fellow Swift veterans don't support him, then who were all those guys with him at the Democratic Convention? They made it appear that Kerry has the complete support of his "Band of Brothers" from Vietnam. John Kerry has been able to convince about 13 men who served on Swift boats in the Mekong Delta to support him, 7 or 8 of whom were at various times crew members on his own 6-man boat. Those are the men the Kerry campaign so prominently featured at the Democratic Convention. The photo we have posted at SwiftVets.com shows Kerry with 19 of his fellow Swift boat commanders in Coastal Division 11. Four officers were not present for that photo. Only one of his 23 fellow commanders from Coastal Division 11 supports John Kerry. Overall, more than 250 Swift boat veterans are on the record questioning Kerry's fitness to serve as Commander-in-Chief. That list includes his entire chain of command -- every single officer Kerry served under in Vietnam. The Kerry game plan is to ignore all this and pretend that the 13 veterans his campaign jets around the country and puts up in 5-star hotels really represent the truth about his short, controversial combat tour. The Swift boats fought in groups, so the other boat commanders who fought alongside Kerry know him well and can accurately describe what he did and did not do. In many cases the commanders have a better perspective on Kerry than his own crew members, since the latter had no way to determine whether he was following orders and how well he worked with his peers." oh...Kerry photo? G Yup..its real http://ice.he.net/~freepnet/kerry/st...40531140357545 http://ice.he.net/~freepnet/kerry/st...40604194804799 And for fun....G http://communistsforkerry.com/heroes.php Gunner "There is no difference between communism and socialism, except in the means of achieving the same ultimate end: communism proposes to enslave men by force, socialism - by vote. It is merely the difference between murder and suicide." - Ayn Rand, from "Foreign Policy Drains U.S. of Main Weapons" |
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Michael wrote in message om... Don't be fooled by these cry babies- none of the people claiming to know kerry or serve with him actually did. The site has been completely discredited. McCain has gone as far as asking Bush to denounce the site and all of its actors. Some service to your country- telling lies for money. You drank the Kool Aid quicker than most, tough guy. A lot of_attempts_to discredit the site. You might try reading O'Neill's affidavit after he was threatened with a lawsuit. He did his homework and has his ducks in a row. And many of the men used as sources did serve with Kerry or in other boats in the same operations with him. Particularly damning was the purple heart he received for allegedly getting shrapnel in his ass from a mine that exploded in the water adjacent to his boat. Kerry's story, anyhow. Others that were there stated that he threw a concussion grenade into a rice stack and stayed too close. The doctor's report stated they pulled some shrapnel and brown rice grains out of his buttocks. It goes on and on. He's been a lying, self aggrandizing political toad his whole life. I watched the rebroadcast of the O'Neill/Kerry debate from the Dick Cavett show the other night. I was still over there under fire every day when he was accusing myself and my buddies of rape, murder, torture, poisoning crops, etc. To O'Neill's credit, he kept at Kerry about any documentation or other eyewitnesses to corroborate Kerry's accusations. They were glaringly not forthcoming. Made him look like the liar that he is. You can hate Bush all you want, but you, by God, don't want this guy in the White House. Garrett Fulton -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 100,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! =----- |
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Don't be fooled by these cry babies- none of the people claiming to
know kerry or serve with him actually did. The site has been completely discredited. The Swiftvets have certainly been DENOUNCED a lot, but have not been discredited. The Dems only claim seem to be that none of the Swiftvets were in the boat with Kerry so they don't know what they are talking about and their vote doesn't count (they are disenfranchised). I think there are one or two swiftvets that were but I'll have to check again to be certain. Even at that there are many things you can tell about a boat (or boat captain) without having to be in the boat. If there are five boats in a patrol, one boat hits a mine, two go to aid the stricken boat, and two boats turn and leave the scene at full throttle (like Kerry) you sure don't need to be in the boat to see that. There are all kinds of things that you can tell about a boat captain and never even see him, talk to him, or serve in the boat with him. Not to mention all the time the men spend together off the boats. Personally, I am inclined to take the word of the many (and some of them are Dems) that he served for and with, over the few supporting the Kerry campaign, even though some of the few were "in the boat". I would especially discount the word of those being paid by the Kerry campaign. The Dems also say that the Swiftvets shouldn't be considered because a Republican gave them $100,000, yet vehemently defend Michael Moore and George Soros who have contributed many millions to Democrats. Moore for his obvious hatchet job on Bush (talk about discredited!), and Soros for his spending many many millions of dollars to do such things as buying up advertising time on Boston TV stations during the Dem convention to prevent Republicans from buying it. I am continually amazed how the Dems can constantly make personal attacks on Bush and that is all ok. They call him a liar at every opportunity (most often Bush is proven right), and they still cannot find any proof of Bush's "desertion" but they are still claiming that he deserted. But bring up an issue against their guy, then all of a sudden it is morally and politically wrong and you should be silenced (disenfranchised). The Dems keep talking about the Republican attack machine, but it has a loooong way to go before it can even be considered a worthy adversary for the Democrat attack machine (to whom truth has no meaning). Wayne |
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On Mon, 9 Aug 2004 11:59:52 -0500, "gfulton"
wrote: Michael wrote in message . com... Don't be fooled by these cry babies- none of the people claiming to know kerry or serve with him actually did. The site has been completely discredited. McCain has gone as far as asking Bush to denounce the site and all of its actors. Some service to your country- telling lies for money. You drank the Kool Aid quicker than most, tough guy. A lot of_attempts_to discredit the site. You might try reading O'Neill's affidavit after he was threatened with a lawsuit. He did his homework and has his ducks in a row. And many of the men used as sources did serve with Kerry or in other boats in the same operations with him. Particularly damning was the purple heart he received for allegedly getting shrapnel in his ass from a mine that exploded in the water adjacent to his boat. Kerry's story, anyhow. Others that were there stated that he threw a concussion grenade into a rice stack and stayed too close. The doctor's report stated they pulled some shrapnel and brown rice grains out of his buttocks. It goes on and on. He's been a lying, self aggrandizing political toad his whole life. I watched the rebroadcast of the O'Neill/Kerry debate from the Dick Cavett show the other night. I was still over there under fire every day when he was accusing myself and my buddies of rape, murder, torture, poisoning crops, etc. To O'Neill's credit, he kept at Kerry about any documentation or other eyewitnesses to corroborate Kerry's accusations. They were glaringly not forthcoming. Made him look like the liar that he is. You can hate Bush all you want, but you, by God, don't want this guy in the White House. Garrett Fulton Bravo!!!!!!!!!! Gunner "There is no difference between communism and socialism, except in the means of achieving the same ultimate end: communism proposes to enslave men by force, socialism - by vote. It is merely the difference between murder and suicide." - Ayn Rand, from "Foreign Policy Drains U.S. of Main Weapons" |
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In article , NoOne N Particular
says... I am continually amazed how the Dems can constantly make personal attacks on Bush and that is all ok. Oh my god. Politicians calling each other liars. Stop the presses. Like gunner always says, all's fair. Jim -- ================================================== please reply to: JRR(zero) at pkmfgvm4 (dot) vnet (dot) ibm (dot) com ================================================== |
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On Mon, 09 Aug 2004 17:15:33 GMT, "NoOne N Particular"
wrote: Don't be fooled by these cry babies- none of the people claiming to know kerry or serve with him actually did. The site has been completely discredited. The Swiftvets have certainly been DENOUNCED a lot, but have not been discredited. The Dems only claim seem to be that none of the Swiftvets were in the boat with Kerry so they don't know what they are talking about and their vote doesn't count (they are disenfranchised). I think there are one or two swiftvets that were but I'll have to check again to be certain. Even at that there are many things you can tell about a boat (or boat captain) without having to be in the boat. If there are five boats in a patrol, one boat hits a mine, two go to aid the stricken boat, and two boats turn and leave the scene at full throttle (like Kerry) you sure don't need to be in the boat to see that. There are all kinds of things that you can tell about a boat captain and never even see him, talk to him, or serve in the boat with him. Not to mention all the time the men spend together off the boats. Personally, I am inclined to take the word of the many (and some of them are Dems) that he served for and with, over the few supporting the Kerry campaign, even though some of the few were "in the boat". I would especially discount the word of those being paid by the Kerry campaign. The Dems also say that the Swiftvets shouldn't be considered because a Republican gave them $100,000, yet vehemently defend Michael Moore and George Soros who have contributed many millions to Democrats. Moore for his obvious hatchet job on Bush (talk about discredited!), and Soros for his spending many many millions of dollars to do such things as buying up advertising time on Boston TV stations during the Dem convention to prevent Republicans from buying it. I am continually amazed how the Dems can constantly make personal attacks on Bush and that is all ok. They call him a liar at every opportunity (most often Bush is proven right), and they still cannot find any proof of Bush's "desertion" but they are still claiming that he deserted. But bring up an issue against their guy, then all of a sudden it is morally and politically wrong and you should be silenced (disenfranchised). The Dems keep talking about the Republican attack machine, but it has a loooong way to go before it can even be considered a worthy adversary for the Democrat attack machine (to whom truth has no meaning). Wayne Bravo as well! Gunner "There is no difference between communism and socialism, except in the means of achieving the same ultimate end: communism proposes to enslave men by force, socialism - by vote. It is merely the difference between murder and suicide." - Ayn Rand, from "Foreign Policy Drains U.S. of Main Weapons" |
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"gfulton" wrote The doctor's report stated they pulled some shrapnel and brown rice grains out of his buttocks. So, Garret, tell us about tough-guy Dubya's medical reports. Got a lot of shrapnel and rice grains in _his_ ass, did he? It goes on and on. He's been a lying, self aggrandizing political toad his whole life. How exactly does the above _not_ apply to Dubya? I watched the rebroadcast of the O'Neill/Kerry debate from the Dick Cavett show the other night. I was still over there under fire every day when he was accusing myself and my buddies of rape, murder, torture, poisoning crops, etc. Do you think frat-boy Dubya was _cheering_ for yourself and your buddies at the time? You're entitled to think what you like, of course, but I was at prep school with one of Dubya's brothers in the early 70's, and I've always wondered who _his_ supplier was. -- Tony P. |
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Carl Nisarel wrote in message ... But heard, half-heard in the stillness, gfulton -- And many of the men used as sources did serve with Kerry or in other boats in the same operations with him. Identify a single person from the Swift Boats Vets that served on the boat with Kerry. Why? I didn't write that any Swift Boats Vets were on the same boat. I wrote that they_served_with him. Van O'Dell, for instance who was a few yards away during the phony Bronze Star incident. I'll remove the "or" in the above sentence if that makes you happy. So, what you're saying is that whenever we had a two or three helicopter mission, any acts that I witnessed my fellow Marines perform on another helicopter during combat insertions or extractions is not direct evidence of their gallantry or courage under fire? And I did witness it, Nisrael, the_real_thing. Many times. Those mission debriefings were the basis for future commendations. By the way, tough guy, do you even know what a machine tool does? I am admittedly a rank amateur machinist and mostly lurk here trying to learn something. I shun involvement in politics until I'm provoked, but this maggot Kerry has certainly done that. What are you here for? It certainly doesn't seem to be to contribute anything useful. What was that another poster said? Snide remarks? Yeah, that's an accurate representation from where I'm sitting. Disrespectfully, Garrett Fulton -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 100,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! =----- |
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tonyp wrote in message ... "gfulton" wrote The doctor's report stated they pulled some shrapnel and brown rice grains out of his buttocks. So, Garret, tell us about tough-guy Dubya's medical reports. Got a lot of shrapnel and rice grains in _his_ ass, did he? It goes on and on. He's been a lying, self aggrandizing political toad his whole life. How exactly does the above _not_ apply to Dubya? I watched the rebroadcast of the O'Neill/Kerry debate from the Dick Cavett show the other night. I was still over there under fire every day when he was accusing myself and my buddies of rape, murder, torture, poisoning crops, etc. Do you think frat-boy Dubya was _cheering_ for yourself and your buddies at the time? You're entitled to think what you like, of course, but I was at prep school with one of Dubya's brothers in the early 70's, and I've always wondered who _his_ supplier was. -- Tony P. Bud, I don't really give a rat's ass. It was Kerry's record of lying and deceit in Vietnam I was posting about. I believe I wrote,"You can hate Bush all you want, but you, by God, don't want this guy in the White House." I stand by that. There's a gaping hole in Kerry where character is supposed to be. Vote your conscience. But, at least, do a little research and look up John O'Neill's affidavit and read it. I've got a link, but it'll just mean so much more if you make the effort yourself. Sense of accomplishment and all that. Garrett Fulton -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 100,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! =----- |
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Want to talk about backshooters? George Bush buddy Sun Myung Moon gave
nuclear weapons submarine sea-launch technology to North Korea in 1994. http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/Nukes.html http://home.earthlink.net/~zkkatz/page76.html Sun Myung Moon owns WASHINGTON TIMES NEWSPAPER Here's a guy the Republicans don't want us to know about. The Reverend Sun Myung Moon, head of the Unification Church and a self-declared Messiah from South Korea, is a major behind-the-scenes GOP player. His organization owns The Washington Times, the right-wing newspaper Ronald Reagan once called his favorite. Moon said he has pumped over $1 billion into the paper since the Church bought it in 1982. Those poor Moonies had to sell a lot of flowers! http://home.earthlink.net/~zkkatz/page18.html Most folks recognize Moon as a dangerous cult leader who has recruited, brainwashed, and enslaved thousands of unsuspecting students from college campuses since the 1970s. They also remember the mass weddings he conducted at Yankee and RFK stadiums where thousands of couples were brought together. Critics say church officials arranged the marriages to circumvent American immigration laws. Moon controls a multibillion dollar tax-free business empire. In the mid-1980s, he served a year in prison for tax evasion. A lesser known fact is that his business operations have competed for, and received, government contracts worth millions of dollars. No ordinary commercial operation can compete with a Moonie shop because you can't beat the low cost of slave labor. Moon says he's the only person in the world who knows all the secrets of God. Well, isn't he smart? He says he's been the Messiah ever since he ran into Jesus in Korea in 1936. He says Jesus asked him to take over the mission -- the one Moon says Jesus screwed up because He didn't get married. Moon continues his lifelong pursuit of recognition -- to be crowned the new world Messiah. But he has often complained, "look, I'm doing my best to be the Messiah. You try to be the Messiah." Look, Moonpie -- Jesus never bitched about it, so clam up! Moon came to the U.S. in the early 1970s. His organization is said to be not religious, but political. It has connections to South Korean intelligence operations designed to bolster the U.S. commitment to Seoul in case North Korea invades. His clout in Washington increased substantially during the Reagan administration because both Reagan and Moon are rabid anti-Communists. He has given millions of dollars to a number of Republicans. Paid speakers at his Family Federation for World Peace have included George Bush, William Bennett, Jack Kemp, and Ralph Reed. In the early 1990s, his organization funneled millions to Jerry Falwell's Liberty University when it was facing staggering debts. http://home.earthlink.net/~zkkatz/page19.html http://home.earthlink.net/~zkkatz/page31.html http://home.earthlink.net/~zkkatz/page53.html http://home.earthlink.net/~zkkatz/page75.html And Moon has strange ideas about sex. He's been married four times, but his followers say the first three marriages were not consummated and thus do not count. Moon once told a conference that misunderstandings about male and female sex organs have led to confusion. He said his theology dictates that the husband owns his wife's sex organs, and vice versa. So if my wife wants to castrate me, that's her right? And where does he stand on family values? In 1998, his daughter-in-law, Nansook Hong, told 60 Minutes that Moon had cheated on his wife and fathered an illegitimate son. She said he called it "providential affairs." That Moon's got a fancy word for everything, especially when he's been doing something naughty. Nansook also told of a brutal beating she got from her drug-and-alcohol-addicted husband when she was pregnant. Moon and his wife blamed her, saying it was her fate to suffer. Her fate? Well, screw that! So Nansook fled Moon's high-security compound in Tarrytown, New York, along with her five children. Moon also has an estranged daughter, Un-Jin. She supports her sister-in-law's story. And this guy says he's the new Messiah. Yeah, right. |
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It being a dull day, I decide to respond to what Gunner
foisted Mon, 09 Aug 2004 18:19:04 GMT on rec.crafts.metalworking , viz: You drank the Kool Aid quicker than most, tough guy. A lot of_attempts_to discredit the site. You might try reading O'Neill's affidavit after he was threatened with a lawsuit. The interesting thing about O'Neil, he leans Democrat. Not any Democrat, though, he'll vote for a Republican just to keep Kerry out of the office. As I heard it said "this isn't political, this is personal." Toodles pyotr -- pyotr filipivich Most journalists these days couldn't investigate a missing chocolate cake at a pre-school without a Democrat office holder telling them what to look for, where, and what significance it all has. |
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