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On Monday, March 7, 2016 at 5:17:57 PM UTC-8, Gunner Asch wrote:
http://realclimatescience.com/2016/0...-for-58-years/ Fascinating...really fascinating..... No, irrelevant. You don't ignore the heat capacity of oceans, soil, and dismiss the temperature of lower atmosphere that's in contact with the oceans and soil, if you want a temperature measurement. That upper-atmosphere data is of such a tiny bit of matter, by comparison, that it can be safely ignored. The temperature of the vacuum of space is measurable; it can't tell you anything about global warming, either. |
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On Tue, 8 Mar 2016 13:09:31 -0800 (PST), whit3rd
wrote: On Monday, March 7, 2016 at 5:17:57 PM UTC-8, Gunner Asch wrote: http://realclimatescience.com/2016/0...-for-58-years/ Fascinating...really fascinating..... No, irrelevant. You don't ignore the heat capacity of oceans, soil, and dismiss the temperature of lower atmosphere that's in contact with the oceans and soil, if you want a temperature measurement. That upper-atmosphere data is of such a tiny bit of matter, by comparison, that it can be safely ignored. The temperature of the vacuum of space is measurable; it can't tell you anything about global warming, either. Yet the global temperature has remained unchanged for 58 yrs..and the ice packs are as big as they have always been. Or are you claiming that they are not measuring the global temps properly? Please elucidate and tell us how its wrong, and give us examples of where its wrong. Take all the white space you need. And tell us why Nasa and Oceania data is bogus. Again..use all the white space you feel the need to use. We will be waiting with sunburned bated breath Gunner --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus |
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On Tuesday, March 8, 2016 at 2:03:51 PM UTC-8, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Tue, 8 Mar 2016 13:09:31 -0800 (PST), whit3rd wrote: On Monday, March 7, 2016 at 5:17:57 PM UTC-8, Gunner Asch wrote: http://realclimatescience.com/2016/0...-for-58-years/ Fascinating...really fascinating..... No, irrelevant. You don't ignore the heat capacity of oceans, soil, and dismiss the temperature of lower atmosphere that's in contact with the oceans and soil, if you want a temperature measurement. That upper-atmosphere data is of such a tiny bit of matter, by comparison, that it can be safely ignored. The temperature of the vacuum of space is measurable; it can't tell you anything about global warming, either. Yet the global temperature has remained unchanged for 58 yrs.. In the last 58 years I recall, it has been cold every winter and warm every summer. What planet are you from? |
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On Tue, 8 Mar 2016 22:32:05 -0800 (PST), whit3rd
wrote: On Tuesday, March 8, 2016 at 2:03:51 PM UTC-8, Gunner Asch wrote: On Tue, 8 Mar 2016 13:09:31 -0800 (PST), whit3rd wrote: On Monday, March 7, 2016 at 5:17:57 PM UTC-8, Gunner Asch wrote: http://realclimatescience.com/2016/0...-for-58-years/ Fascinating...really fascinating..... No, irrelevant. You don't ignore the heat capacity of oceans, soil, and dismiss the temperature of lower atmosphere that's in contact with the oceans and soil, if you want a temperature measurement. That upper-atmosphere data is of such a tiny bit of matter, by comparison, that it can be safely ignored. The temperature of the vacuum of space is measurable; it can't tell you anything about global warming, either. Yet the global temperature has remained unchanged for 58 yrs.. In the last 58 years I recall, it has been cold every winter and warm every summer. What planet are you from? Were you dropped on your head recently, or did you have a stroke? Off your meds? Or simply a Global Warming Zealot who is ****y about the data I provided? Gunner --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus |
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"Gunner Asch" wrote in message
... On Tue, 8 Mar 2016 22:32:05 -0800 (PST), whit3rd wrote: On Tuesday, March 8, 2016 at 2:03:51 PM UTC-8, Gunner Asch wrote: On Tue, 8 Mar 2016 13:09:31 -0800 (PST), whit3rd wrote: On Monday, March 7, 2016 at 5:17:57 PM UTC-8, Gunner Asch wrote: http://realclimatescience.com/2016/0...-for-58-years/ Fascinating...really fascinating..... No, irrelevant. You don't ignore the heat capacity of oceans, soil, and dismiss the temperature of lower atmosphere that's in contact with the oceans and soil, if you want a temperature measurement. That upper-atmosphere data is of such a tiny bit of matter, by comparison, that it can be safely ignored. The temperature of the vacuum of space is measurable; it can't tell you anything about global warming, either. Yet the global temperature has remained unchanged for 58 yrs.. In the last 58 years I recall, it has been cold every winter and warm every summer. What planet are you from? Were you dropped on your head recently, or did you have a stroke? Off your meds? Or simply a Global Warming Zealot who is ****y about the data I provided? Gunner Here's another article for you: http://www.americanthinker.com/artic...on_record.html Dissent is a sacred duty of the Left, but a dangerous heresy from the Right. |
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I have a question.
If global warming is fake, how come those glaciers are shrinking? And so does the Arctic ice? i |
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On Mar 9, 2016, Ignoramus1161 wrote
(in ): I have a question. If global warming is fake, how come those glaciers are shrinking? And so does the Arctic ice? Do you recall when the name went from Global Warming to Climate Change? The reason for the new name is that the predicted rise in temperature is not happening. Instead, the rate of rise flattened out, and the deviation from prediction keeps increasing. There are many articles in the scientific press (here meaning Nature and Science, which I subscribe to) trying to explain the anomaly, without much success so far. The now common statement that current year is the warmest ever, while literally true, is misleading in that it does not address the fact that the rate of rise is not following the current models. The google search term for this is €śclimate hiatus€ť. Here is a graph showing the climate hiatus that people are trying to explain. The East Anglica folk were trying to obscure the toe of this failure to follow the models, and said if the hiatus continued for fifteen years, it would be a big problem. This was in 2009, but they were referring to the start of the divergence in 1995 or so. ..http://judithcurry.com/2015/12/17/cl...ersus-climate- reality/#more-20667 Also lots of comparisons of various models with observation. Judith Curry is an apostate in that she objected to the APS becoming an advocacy organization: ..http://judithcurry.com/2013/03/24/american-physical-society/ Joe Gwinn |
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"Ignoramus1161" wrote in message
... I have a question. If global warming is fake, how come those glaciers are shrinking? And so does the Arctic ice? i You are being served cherry-picked data: http://www.csmonitor.com/Science/201...tinues-to-lose |
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On 2016-03-09, Joseph Gwinn wrote:
On Mar 9, 2016, Ignoramus1161 wrote (in ): I have a question. If global warming is fake, how come those glaciers are shrinking? And so does the Arctic ice? Do you recall when the name went from Global Warming to Climate Change? The reason for the new name is that the predicted rise in temperature is not happening. Instead, the rate of rise flattened out, and the deviation from prediction keeps increasing. There are many articles in the scientific press (here meaning Nature and Science, which I subscribe to) trying to explain the anomaly, without much success so far. The now common statement that current year is the warmest ever, while literally true, is misleading in that it does not address the fact that the rate of rise is not following the current models. The google search term for this is ???climate hiatus???. Here is a graph showing the climate hiatus that people are trying to explain. The East Anglica folk were trying to obscure the toe of this failure to follow the models, and said if the hiatus continued for fifteen years, it would be a big problem. This was in 2009, but they were referring to the start of the divergence in 1995 or so. .http://judithcurry.com/2015/12/17/cl...ersus-climate- reality/#more-20667 Also lots of comparisons of various models with observation. Judith Curry is an apostate in that she objected to the APS becoming an advocacy organization: .http://judithcurry.com/2013/03/24/american-physical-society/ Joe Gwinn Joe, I am far from a believer in global warming. I have not yet made up my mind on it. I look for anything that I can find to confirm or disconfirm it. So far the best evidence for me was melting of glaciers. i |
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On Wed, 09 Mar 2016 07:21:10 -0600, Ignoramus1161
wrote: I have a question. If global warming is fake, how come those glaciers are shrinking? And so does the Arctic ice? The earth goes through natural climate cycles every few hundred years. Europe (and probably the rest of the world but only European records survive) went through a mini-ice-age in the 1600's. The cycles seem to last about 1000 years so it seems to me that we're peaking on the warm side of this same cycle and should start cooling again in a hundred years or so. No one that matters denies that the earth is warming. The debate is over the cause. Those of us who haven't drank the Kool-aid have simply drawn the conclusion from data presented that the warming is part of a natural cycle. The problem is that this research has become politicized and moneyed. If you go along with anthropogenic global warming (AGM), there are vast riches and reputations to be made. OTOH, question the orthodoxy and you risk your career, your reputation and your funding. If AGM is so real then why do the True Believers have to fudge and make up data, tinker with models until they get the results they want and still the resulting warming is tiny and not statistically significant from the model of the natural cycle. There is ample history of this in science. Consider phlogiston from past years. The orthodoxy was that phlogiston was an undetectable substance that escaped from burning material and was the source of the fire and heat. When Priestly discovered oxygen and developed the oxidation theory of combustion, he was practically an outcast for many years. Or we can go back a few years to the hysteria over global cooling. Remember that one? I'm like a Misourian and demand that they "Show me" with hard data. John John DeArmond http://www.neon-john.com http://www.tnduction.com Tellico Plains, Occupied TN See website for email address |
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"Neon John" wrote in message
... On Wed, 09 Mar 2016 07:21:10 -0600, Ignoramus1161 wrote: Or we can go back a few years to the hysteria over global cooling. Remember that one? I'm like a Misourian and demand that they "Show me" with hard data. John John DeArmond http://www.neon-john.com http://www.tnduction.com Tellico Plains, Occupied TN See website for email address The same Dr. James Hansen who raised the alarm about Global Warming in 1988 had participated in the 1971 Global Cooling scare. http://www.democracynow.org/2015/12/...en_warns_world http://scottishsceptic.co.uk/2015/03...ing-consensus/ "They also had available a computer program developed by Dr James Hansen there to study the optical properties of the clouds of Venus. .... They found no need to worry about the carbon dioxide fuel-burning puts in the atmosphere." http://pubs.giss.nasa.gov/abs/ra00600k.html --jsw |
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On Wed, 09 Mar 2016 07:21:10 -0600, Ignoramus1161
wrote: I have a question. If global warming is fake, how come those glaciers are shrinking? And so does the Arctic ice? i You mean this ice? http://www.express.co.uk/news/nature...e-caps-melting http://www.nasa.gov/content/goddard/...ecord-maximum/ Check the second link...see who it is? Might want to review your choices in data a bit more...carefully. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus |
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On Wed, 09 Mar 2016 09:42:55 -0600, Ignoramus1161
wrote: On 2016-03-09, Joseph Gwinn wrote: On Mar 9, 2016, Ignoramus1161 wrote (in ): I have a question. If global warming is fake, how come those glaciers are shrinking? And so does the Arctic ice? Do you recall when the name went from Global Warming to Climate Change? The reason for the new name is that the predicted rise in temperature is not happening. Instead, the rate of rise flattened out, and the deviation from prediction keeps increasing. There are many articles in the scientific press (here meaning Nature and Science, which I subscribe to) trying to explain the anomaly, without much success so far. The now common statement that current year is the warmest ever, while literally true, is misleading in that it does not address the fact that the rate of rise is not following the current models. The google search term for this is ???climate hiatus???. Here is a graph showing the climate hiatus that people are trying to explain. The East Anglica folk were trying to obscure the toe of this failure to follow the models, and said if the hiatus continued for fifteen years, it would be a big problem. This was in 2009, but they were referring to the start of the divergence in 1995 or so. .http://judithcurry.com/2015/12/17/cl...ersus-climate- reality/#more-20667 Also lots of comparisons of various models with observation. Judith Curry is an apostate in that she objected to the APS becoming an advocacy organization: .http://judithcurry.com/2013/03/24/american-physical-society/ Joe Gwinn Joe, I am far from a believer in global warming. I have not yet made up my mind on it. I look for anything that I can find to confirm or disconfirm it. So far the best evidence for me was melting of glaciers. i Well.....not so much evidence as you would think...from 6 yrs ago.. http://www.iceagenow.com/Our_glacier...ot_melting.htm From LAST year... http://iceagenow.info/category/glaci...und-the-world/ http://cnsnews.com/news/article/barb...ers-are-stable http://canadafreepress.com/article/o...s-from-al-gore http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencete...sts-claim.html etc etc etc. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus |
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On Wed, 09 Mar 2016 11:06:50 -0500, Neon John wrote:
No one that matters denies that the earth is warming. So Nasa doesnt matter? http://www.investors.com/politics/ed...ent-is-hiding/ http://www.climatedepot.com/ --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus |
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On Wed, 9 Mar 2016 07:15:29 -0500, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote: "Gunner Asch" wrote in message .. . On Tue, 8 Mar 2016 22:32:05 -0800 (PST), whit3rd wrote: On Tuesday, March 8, 2016 at 2:03:51 PM UTC-8, Gunner Asch wrote: On Tue, 8 Mar 2016 13:09:31 -0800 (PST), whit3rd wrote: On Monday, March 7, 2016 at 5:17:57 PM UTC-8, Gunner Asch wrote: http://realclimatescience.com/2016/0...-for-58-years/ Fascinating...really fascinating..... No, irrelevant. You don't ignore the heat capacity of oceans, soil, and dismiss the temperature of lower atmosphere that's in contact with the oceans and soil, if you want a temperature measurement. That upper-atmosphere data is of such a tiny bit of matter, by comparison, that it can be safely ignored. The temperature of the vacuum of space is measurable; it can't tell you anything about global warming, either. Yet the global temperature has remained unchanged for 58 yrs.. In the last 58 years I recall, it has been cold every winter and warm every summer. What planet are you from? Were you dropped on your head recently, or did you have a stroke? Off your meds? Or simply a Global Warming Zealot who is ****y about the data I provided? Gunner Here's another article for you: http://www.americanthinker.com/artic...on_record.html Dissent is a sacred duty of the Left, but a dangerous heresy from the Right. No wonder the Left hates Lindzen. He told it like it is, all the way back in 1996. And his paper in 2012 shafted the Left's politics in "science". http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/0809/0809.3762.pdf -- Our main business is not to see what lies dimly at a distance but to do what lies clearly at hand. --Thomas Carlyle |
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On Tue, 08 Mar 2016 23:03:47 -0800, Gunner Asch
wrote: On Tue, 8 Mar 2016 22:32:05 -0800 (PST), whit3rd wrote: On Tuesday, March 8, 2016 at 2:03:51 PM UTC-8, Gunner Asch wrote: On Tue, 8 Mar 2016 13:09:31 -0800 (PST), whit3rd wrote: On Monday, March 7, 2016 at 5:17:57 PM UTC-8, Gunner Asch wrote: http://realclimatescience.com/2016/0...-for-58-years/ Fascinating...really fascinating..... No, irrelevant. You don't ignore the heat capacity of oceans, soil, and dismiss the temperature of lower atmosphere that's in contact with the oceans and soil, if you want a temperature measurement. That upper-atmosphere data is of such a tiny bit of matter, by comparison, that it can be safely ignored. The temperature of the vacuum of space is measurable; it can't tell you anything about global warming, either. Yet the global temperature has remained unchanged for 58 yrs.. In the last 58 years I recall, it has been cold every winter and warm every summer. What planet are you from? Were you dropped on your head recently, or did you have a stroke? Off your meds? Or simply a Global Warming Zealot who is ****y about the data I provided? Gunner Perhaps he was dropped on his head, or at least it appears that someone was.The reference you gave (above) only shows Troposphere temperatures and a second graph for radiosonde temperatures from 5,000 to 40,000 ft. Air temperature, in other words. And even worse, both charts show a very distinct temperature change from year to year. Do you really think that air temperature at 40,000 ft. is a realistic indication of global, or any other sort of, warming? Especially when it varies every year? They say that "Early to bed and early to rise makes a man healthy, wealthy and wise", but apparently actually reading one's references before opening one's mouth helps a lot in the "Wise" department. -- Cheers, Schweik |
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On Wed, 09 Mar 2016 07:21:10 -0600, Ignoramus1161
wrote: I have a question. If global warming is fake, how come those glaciers are shrinking? And so does the Arctic ice? Questions here, too. If Algore is an environmentalist, why was he spending over $30,000 a year to heat and cool his home? And if his movie was realistic, why did the Brits ban it from showing in UK schools? And if polar bears were drowning, why didn't they just move with the ice? ;) P.S: Algore finally admitted that was entirely CGI and that he made up the polar bear story. Then again, I just saw another picture of a dead polar bear captioned on yet another AGWK story recently. sigh They just don't get it. Now, your answer: Check the rest of the Earth. When one area loses ice, ice builds in another area. It happens the same way each year with the seasons, but that's called "weather", which is what people are reacting to. Earth is between ice ages and will continue to warm (or remain stable like the past decade+) until the next ice age. Also see these books: _State of Fear_ The excellent fictional book by Michael Crichton which first led me to question the media and global alarmists. _The Skeptical Environmentalist_ Bjorn Lomborg (formerly of Greenpeace) _The Politically Incorrect Guide to Global Warming and Environmentalism_ Chris Horner _Terrestrial Energy_ William Tucker _Meltdown: The Predictable Distortion of Global Warming by Scientists, Politicians, and the Media_ Patrick J. Michaels _Hard Green: Saving the Environment from Environmentalists_ by Peter Huber _Unstoppable Global Warming, Every 1500 Years_ Patrick J. Michaels _The Greatest Hoax: How the Global Warming Conspiracy Threatens Your Future_ Senator James Inhofe _The Deliberate Corruption of Climate Science_ Tim Ball _Climate of Corruption: Politics and Power Behind The Global Warming Hoax_ Larry Bell -- Our main business is not to see what lies dimly at a distance but to do what lies clearly at hand. --Thomas Carlyle |
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On Wed, 09 Mar 2016 13:44:12 -0800, Gunner Asch
wrote: On Wed, 09 Mar 2016 09:42:55 -0600, Ignoramus1161 wrote: On 2016-03-09, Joseph Gwinn wrote: On Mar 9, 2016, Ignoramus1161 wrote (in ): I have a question. If global warming is fake, how come those glaciers are shrinking? And so does the Arctic ice? Do you recall when the name went from Global Warming to Climate Change? The reason for the new name is that the predicted rise in temperature is not happening. Instead, the rate of rise flattened out, and the deviation from prediction keeps increasing. There are many articles in the scientific press (here meaning Nature and Science, which I subscribe to) trying to explain the anomaly, without much success so far. The now common statement that current year is the warmest ever, while literally true, is misleading in that it does not address the fact that the rate of rise is not following the current models. The google search term for this is ???climate hiatus???. Here is a graph showing the climate hiatus that people are trying to explain. The East Anglica folk were trying to obscure the toe of this failure to follow the models, and said if the hiatus continued for fifteen years, it would be a big problem. This was in 2009, but they were referring to the start of the divergence in 1995 or so. .http://judithcurry.com/2015/12/17/cl...ersus-climate- reality/#more-20667 Also lots of comparisons of various models with observation. Judith Curry is an apostate in that she objected to the APS becoming an advocacy organization: .http://judithcurry.com/2013/03/24/american-physical-society/ Joe Gwinn Joe, I am far from a believer in global warming. I have not yet made up my mind on it. I look for anything that I can find to confirm or disconfirm it. So far the best evidence for me was melting of glaciers. i Well.....not so much evidence as you would think...from 6 yrs ago.. http://www.iceagenow.com/Our_glacier...ot_melting.htm From LAST year... http://iceagenow.info/category/glaci...und-the-world/ http://cnsnews.com/news/article/barb...ers-are-stable http://canadafreepress.com/article/o...s-from-al-gore http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencete...sts-claim.html etc etc etc. etc etc etc indeed. If you investigate even slightly you would have discovered that the reason that some Himalayan glaciers are increasing while the rest of the world's glaciers are decreasing is quite simple. Higher then normal precipitation in the area. See: http://www.livescience.com/48256-asi...stability.html http://cnsnews.com/news/article/barb...ers-are-stable http://www.livescience.com/19696-kar...d-melting.html -- Cheers, Schweik |
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On Wed, 09 Mar 2016 09:42:55 -0600, Ignoramus1161
wrote: On 2016-03-09, Joseph Gwinn wrote: On Mar 9, 2016, Ignoramus1161 wrote (in ): I have a question. If global warming is fake, how come those glaciers are shrinking? And so does the Arctic ice? Do you recall when the name went from Global Warming to Climate Change? The reason for the new name is that the predicted rise in temperature is not happening. Instead, the rate of rise flattened out, and the deviation from prediction keeps increasing. There are many articles in the scientific press (here meaning Nature and Science, which I subscribe to) trying to explain the anomaly, without much success so far. The now common statement that current year is the warmest ever, while literally true, is misleading in that it does not address the fact that the rate of rise is not following the current models. The google search term for this is ???climate hiatus???. Here is a graph showing the climate hiatus that people are trying to explain. The East Anglica folk were trying to obscure the toe of this failure to follow the models, and said if the hiatus continued for fifteen years, it would be a big problem. This was in 2009, but they were referring to the start of the divergence in 1995 or so. .http://judithcurry.com/2015/12/17/cl...ersus-climate- reality/#more-20667 Also lots of comparisons of various models with observation. Judith Curry is an apostate in that she objected to the APS becoming an advocacy organization: .http://judithcurry.com/2013/03/24/american-physical-society/ Joe Gwinn Joe, I am far from a believer in global warming. I have not yet made up my mind on it. I look for anything that I can find to confirm or disconfirm it. So far the best evidence for me was melting of glaciers. i There have certainly been large variations in the earth's temperature. You might want to look at http://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/ or http://www.antarcticglaciers.org/gla...e-core-basics/ which shows an interesting relationship between temperature and the atmosphere content of CO2 and Dust. or google on "Vostok Ice Core" for more information regarding periodic changes in the earth's temperature. -- cheers, John B. |
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wrote in message
... On Tue, 08 Mar 2016 23:03:47 -0800, Gunner Asch wrote: On Tue, 8 Mar 2016 22:32:05 -0800 (PST), whit3rd wrote: On Tuesday, March 8, 2016 at 2:03:51 PM UTC-8, Gunner Asch wrote: On Tue, 8 Mar 2016 13:09:31 -0800 (PST), whit3rd wrote: On Monday, March 7, 2016 at 5:17:57 PM UTC-8, Gunner Asch wrote: http://realclimatescience.com/2016/0...-for-58-years/ ... Do you really think that air temperature at 40,000 ft. is a realistic indication of global, or any other sort of, warming? Especially when it varies every year? ... Schweik That is the region where the CO2 becomes thin and cold enough to stop reabsorbing thermal radiation emitted from lower levels and is able to dissipate the heat out into space, where the satellites can measure the rate of heat flow. It's like the Rio Grande for illegals. http://missionscience.nasa.gov/ems/1...ionbudget.html https://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/...d-not-the-co2/ --jsw |
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"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
... On Wed, 09 Mar 2016 07:21:10 -0600, Ignoramus1161 wrote: I have a question. If global warming is fake, how come those glaciers are shrinking? And so does the Arctic ice? Questions here, too. If Algore is an environmentalist, why was he spending over $30,000 a year to heat and cool his home? And if his movie was realistic, why did the Brits ban it from showing in UK schools? And if polar bears were drowning, why didn't they just move with the ice? ;) P.S: Algore finally admitted that was entirely CGI and that he made up the polar bear story. Then again, I just saw another picture of a dead polar bear captioned on yet another AGWK story recently. sigh They just don't get it. Now, your answer: Check the rest of the Earth. When one area loses ice, ice builds in another area. It happens the same way each year with the seasons, but that's called "weather", which is what people are reacting to. Earth is between ice ages and will continue to warm (or remain stable like the past decade+) until the next ice age. Also see these books: _State of Fear_ The excellent fictional book by Michael Crichton which first led me to question the media and global alarmists. _The Skeptical Environmentalist_ Bjorn Lomborg (formerly of Greenpeace) _The Politically Incorrect Guide to Global Warming and Environmentalism_ Chris Horner _Terrestrial Energy_ William Tucker _Meltdown: The Predictable Distortion of Global Warming by Scientists, Politicians, and the Media_ Patrick J. Michaels _Hard Green: Saving the Environment from Environmentalists_ by Peter Huber _Unstoppable Global Warming, Every 1500 Years_ Patrick J. Michaels _The Greatest Hoax: How the Global Warming Conspiracy Threatens Your Future_ Senator James Inhofe _The Deliberate Corruption of Climate Science_ Tim Ball _Climate of Corruption: Politics and Power Behind The Global Warming Hoax_ Larry Bell http://joannenova.com.au/ |
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"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
... On Wed, 09 Mar 2016 07:21:10 -0600, Ignoramus1161 wrote: ...Then again, I just saw another picture of a dead polar bear captioned on yet another AGWK story recently. sigh They just don't get it. Polar bears don't become trapped on ice floes, they hunt and catch seals from them. http://www.polarbearsinternational.o...ive-polar-bear " At first, when the bear slipped into the water, he swam on the surface but then he dove and was completely out of sight as he swam toward them underwater in what we call an aquatic stalk." --jsw |
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On Wed, 9 Mar 2016 23:06:10 -0500, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote: "Larry Jaques" wrote in message .. . On Wed, 09 Mar 2016 07:21:10 -0600, Ignoramus1161 wrote: I have a question. If global warming is fake, how come those glaciers are shrinking? And so does the Arctic ice? Questions here, too. If Algore is an environmentalist, why was he spending over $30,000 a year to heat and cool his home? And if his movie was realistic, why did the Brits ban it from showing in UK schools? And if polar bears were drowning, why didn't they just move with the ice? ;) P.S: Algore finally admitted that was entirely CGI and that he made up the polar bear story. Then again, I just saw another picture of a dead polar bear captioned on yet another AGWK story recently. sigh They just don't get it. Now, your answer: Check the rest of the Earth. When one area loses ice, ice builds in another area. It happens the same way each year with the seasons, but that's called "weather", which is what people are reacting to. Earth is between ice ages and will continue to warm (or remain stable like the past decade+) until the next ice age. Also see these books: _State of Fear_ The excellent fictional book by Michael Crichton which first led me to question the media and global alarmists. _The Skeptical Environmentalist_ Bjorn Lomborg (formerly of Greenpeace) _The Politically Incorrect Guide to Global Warming and Environmentalism_ Chris Horner _Terrestrial Energy_ William Tucker _Meltdown: The Predictable Distortion of Global Warming by Scientists, Politicians, and the Media_ Patrick J. Michaels _Hard Green: Saving the Environment from Environmentalists_ by Peter Huber _Unstoppable Global Warming, Every 1500 Years_ Patrick J. Michaels _The Greatest Hoax: How the Global Warming Conspiracy Threatens Your Future_ Senator James Inhofe _The Deliberate Corruption of Climate Science_ Tim Ball _Climate of Corruption: Politics and Power Behind The Global Warming Hoax_ Larry Bell http://joannenova.com.au/ What's your point here, Jim? Did you follow the sources quoted in that story? “Everywhere we look, the climate change signal for extreme heat events is becoming stronger,” said Andrew King, a climate extremes research fellow at the University of Melbourne, Australia and lead author of the study. “Recent record-breaking hot years globally were so much outside natural variability that they were almost impossible without global warming.” -- "Emergence of heat extremes attributable to anthropogenic influences": Andrew D. King. -- Ed Huntress |
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On Wednesday, March 9, 2016 at 5:27:18 PM UTC-8, Larry Jaques wrote:
On Wed, 09 Mar 2016 07:21:10 -0600, Ignoramus1161 wrote: I have a question. If global warming is fake, how come those glaciers are shrinking? And so does the Arctic ice? Questions here, too. If Algore is an environmentalist, why was he spending over $30,000 a year to heat and cool his home? Not pertinent to global climate. Observations of glaciation and ice ARE pertinent. Also see these books: [long list] Einstein once was confronted with a pamphlet, 'One Hundred Authors Against Einstein', and mused, "Why a hundred? If I am wrong, one is enough." He didn't bother to read the material, I trust. The fact is, you can get a vanity-press book published for a few dollars, and written for a few cents a word, by a polished prose craftsman. It doesn't have meet any kind of scrutiny or undergo any fact checking. So, find me a bit of writing on the subject IN THE PEER REVIEWED LITERATURE, if you expect to be taken seriously. |
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On Wed, 9 Mar 2016 21:45:10 -0800 (PST), whit3rd
wrote: On Wednesday, March 9, 2016 at 5:27:18 PM UTC-8, Larry Jaques wrote: On Wed, 09 Mar 2016 07:21:10 -0600, Ignoramus1161 wrote: I have a question. If global warming is fake, how come those glaciers are shrinking? And so does the Arctic ice? Questions here, too. If Algore is an environmentalist, why was he spending over $30,000 a year to heat and cool his home? Not pertinent to global climate. Observations of glaciation and ice ARE pertinent. Also see these books: [long list] Einstein once was confronted with a pamphlet, 'One Hundred Authors Against Einstein', and mused, "Why a hundred? If I am wrong, one is enough." He didn't bother to read the material, I trust. The fact is, you can get a vanity-press book published for a few dollars, and written for a few cents a word, by a polished prose craftsman. It doesn't have meet any kind of scrutiny or undergo any fact checking. So, find me a bit of writing on the subject IN THE PEER REVIEWED LITERATURE, if you expect to be taken seriously. Uhhh...Larry is not taken seriously when he jumps on one of his hobby horses, like global warming. Ask him how many of those books he has actually read. Then ask him how he would evaluate the "evidence" they present, and how he would evaluate the contradicting evidence. He has no way of judging either one. Neither does Gunner. As for Tom, he just likes to stir the pot. d8-) His list of authors could have been selected from a rogue's gallery of curmudgeons who spend as much time in litigation, suing people and being sued, as they do in writing their polemics. Tim Ball, for instance, is a particularly creepy example. It's worth looking him up. But I have to object to your characterization of how much people pay freelancers to write. It's more like 75 cents/word for a garden-variety freelancer, and much more if they can cook up a good pile of polemical bull****. If you really want to know how much the oil and coal companies pay these turds, read _Blinded by the Right: The Conscience of an Ex-Conservative_, by David Brock. He was the only "journalist" in Washington who drove a 600-Series Mercedes Benz. -- Ed Huntress |
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On Wed, 9 Mar 2016 21:45:10 -0800 (PST), whit3rd
wrote: On Wednesday, March 9, 2016 at 5:27:18 PM UTC-8, Larry Jaques wrote: On Wed, 09 Mar 2016 07:21:10 -0600, Ignoramus1161 wrote: I have a question. If global warming is fake, how come those glaciers are shrinking? And so does the Arctic ice? Questions here, too. If Algore is an environmentalist, why was he spending over $30,000 a year to heat and cool his home? Not pertinent to global climate. Observations of glaciation and ice ARE pertinent. Yes indeed they are. Also see these books: [long list] Einstein once was confronted with a pamphlet, 'One Hundred Authors Against Einstein', and mused, "Why a hundred? If I am wrong, one is enough." He didn't bother to read the material, I trust. The fact is, you can get a vanity-press book published for a few dollars, and written for a few cents a word, by a polished prose craftsman. It doesn't have meet any kind of scrutiny or undergo any fact checking. So, find me a bit of writing on the subject IN THE PEER REVIEWED LITERATURE, if you expect to be taken seriously. I actually did. You didnt much like it. Gunner --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus |
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"Ed Huntress" wrote in message ... On Wed, 9 Mar 2016 23:06:10 -0500, "Jim Wilkins" wrote: "Larry Jaques" wrote in message . .. On Wed, 09 Mar 2016 07:21:10 -0600, Ignoramus1161 wrote: I have a question. If global warming is fake, how come those glaciers are shrinking? And so does the Arctic ice? Questions here, too. If Algore is an environmentalist, why was he spending over $30,000 a year to heat and cool his home? And if his movie was realistic, why did the Brits ban it from showing in UK schools? And if polar bears were drowning, why didn't they just move with the ice? ;) P.S: Algore finally admitted that was entirely CGI and that he made up the polar bear story. Then again, I just saw another picture of a dead polar bear captioned on yet another AGWK story recently. sigh They just don't get it. Now, your answer: Check the rest of the Earth. When one area loses ice, ice builds in another area. It happens the same way each year with the seasons, but that's called "weather", which is what people are reacting to. Earth is between ice ages and will continue to warm (or remain stable like the past decade+) until the next ice age. Also see these books: _State of Fear_ The excellent fictional book by Michael Crichton which first led me to question the media and global alarmists. _The Skeptical Environmentalist_ Bjorn Lomborg (formerly of Greenpeace) _The Politically Incorrect Guide to Global Warming and Environmentalism_ Chris Horner _Terrestrial Energy_ William Tucker _Meltdown: The Predictable Distortion of Global Warming by Scientists, Politicians, and the Media_ Patrick J. Michaels _Hard Green: Saving the Environment from Environmentalists_ by Peter Huber _Unstoppable Global Warming, Every 1500 Years_ Patrick J. Michaels _The Greatest Hoax: How the Global Warming Conspiracy Threatens Your Future_ Senator James Inhofe _The Deliberate Corruption of Climate Science_ Tim Ball _Climate of Corruption: Politics and Power Behind The Global Warming Hoax_ Larry Bell http://joannenova.com.au/ What's your point here, Jim? Did you follow the sources quoted in that story? "Everywhere we look, the climate change signal for extreme heat events is becoming stronger," said Andrew King, a climate extremes research fellow at the University of Melbourne, Australia and lead author of the study. "Recent record-breaking hot years globally were so much outside natural variability that they were almost impossible without global warming." -- "Emergence of heat extremes attributable to anthropogenic influences": Andrew D. King. -- Ed Huntress How have you practiced reducing your personal carbon footprint before you are forced to? Do you even have a clothesline? |
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On Thu, 10 Mar 2016 06:46:32 -0500, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote: "Ed Huntress" wrote in message .. . On Wed, 9 Mar 2016 23:06:10 -0500, "Jim Wilkins" wrote: "Larry Jaques" wrote in message ... On Wed, 09 Mar 2016 07:21:10 -0600, Ignoramus1161 wrote: I have a question. If global warming is fake, how come those glaciers are shrinking? And so does the Arctic ice? Questions here, too. If Algore is an environmentalist, why was he spending over $30,000 a year to heat and cool his home? And if his movie was realistic, why did the Brits ban it from showing in UK schools? And if polar bears were drowning, why didn't they just move with the ice? ;) P.S: Algore finally admitted that was entirely CGI and that he made up the polar bear story. Then again, I just saw another picture of a dead polar bear captioned on yet another AGWK story recently. sigh They just don't get it. Now, your answer: Check the rest of the Earth. When one area loses ice, ice builds in another area. It happens the same way each year with the seasons, but that's called "weather", which is what people are reacting to. Earth is between ice ages and will continue to warm (or remain stable like the past decade+) until the next ice age. Also see these books: _State of Fear_ The excellent fictional book by Michael Crichton which first led me to question the media and global alarmists. _The Skeptical Environmentalist_ Bjorn Lomborg (formerly of Greenpeace) _The Politically Incorrect Guide to Global Warming and Environmentalism_ Chris Horner _Terrestrial Energy_ William Tucker _Meltdown: The Predictable Distortion of Global Warming by Scientists, Politicians, and the Media_ Patrick J. Michaels _Hard Green: Saving the Environment from Environmentalists_ by Peter Huber _Unstoppable Global Warming, Every 1500 Years_ Patrick J. Michaels _The Greatest Hoax: How the Global Warming Conspiracy Threatens Your Future_ Senator James Inhofe _The Deliberate Corruption of Climate Science_ Tim Ball _Climate of Corruption: Politics and Power Behind The Global Warming Hoax_ Larry Bell http://joannenova.com.au/ What's your point here, Jim? Did you follow the sources quoted in that story? "Everywhere we look, the climate change signal for extreme heat events is becoming stronger," said Andrew King, a climate extremes research fellow at the University of Melbourne, Australia and lead author of the study. "Recent record-breaking hot years globally were so much outside natural variability that they were almost impossible without global warming." -- "Emergence of heat extremes attributable to anthropogenic influences": Andrew D. King. -- Ed Huntress How have you practiced reducing your personal carbon footprint before you are forced to? Do you even have a clothesline? Why should I care? And what does it have to do with my question? -- Ed Huntress |
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"Gunner Asch" wrote in message
... Lets look at an infrared photo from above the Boston area shall we? http://www.urbanheatislands.com/_/rs...urban_area.png So tell me...which part of the photo has the correct overall temperature? Hummm? Snicker.... http://www.urbanheatislands.com/\ http://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/11/1...-temperatures/ If you can follow it, this article explains how CO2 dominates the heat radiation lost to space from the upper atmosphere at certain wavelengths, allowing us to measure its contribution to Earth's energy flow without the confusion from other sources that the maps show. http://clivebest.com/blog/?p=1169 "At these levels there is little water vapour and CO2 dominates the energy loss." "Therefore the main physics arguement supporting enhanced global warming caused by increasing levels of CO2 is the in height and thereby lower temperature of the effective radiating level of the atmosphere to space." "As we rise up in the atmosphere so the density falls exponentially and only at heights of 8-9 kms does the atmosphere then become transparent in the main CO2 bands allowing energy loss direct to space." "Feedback Effects" exposes the main weakness of AGW theory, the unproven assumption that water will amplify the admittedly tiny contribution of CO2 to global warming. This is analogous to measuring rainfall by observing the water flowing over a dam. There are too many ways that water can enter the lake, but only one way for it to leave, and the output has to balance the input; the lake can't store much extra water because a small rise in its level greatly increases the flow over the dam. Similarly measuring CO2's radiative emission into space with satellites bypasses the complication of all the ways CO2 receives and -briefly- stores heat from the Earth. CO2 can't permanently trap heat, only modulate its release. --jsw |
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"Ed Huntress" wrote in message
... On Thu, 10 Mar 2016 06:46:32 -0500, "Jim Wilkins" wrote: "Ed Huntress" wrote in message . .. On Wed, 9 Mar 2016 23:06:10 -0500, "Jim Wilkins" wrote: "Larry Jaques" wrote in message m... On Wed, 09 Mar 2016 07:21:10 -0600, Ignoramus1161 wrote: I have a question. If global warming is fake, how come those glaciers are shrinking? And so does the Arctic ice? Questions here, too. If Algore is an environmentalist, why was he spending over $30,000 a year to heat and cool his home? And if his movie was realistic, why did the Brits ban it from showing in UK schools? And if polar bears were drowning, why didn't they just move with the ice? ;) P.S: Algore finally admitted that was entirely CGI and that he made up the polar bear story. Then again, I just saw another picture of a dead polar bear captioned on yet another AGWK story recently. sigh They just don't get it. Now, your answer: Check the rest of the Earth. When one area loses ice, ice builds in another area. It happens the same way each year with the seasons, but that's called "weather", which is what people are reacting to. Earth is between ice ages and will continue to warm (or remain stable like the past decade+) until the next ice age. Also see these books: _State of Fear_ The excellent fictional book by Michael Crichton which first led me to question the media and global alarmists. _The Skeptical Environmentalist_ Bjorn Lomborg (formerly of Greenpeace) _The Politically Incorrect Guide to Global Warming and Environmentalism_ Chris Horner _Terrestrial Energy_ William Tucker _Meltdown: The Predictable Distortion of Global Warming by Scientists, Politicians, and the Media_ Patrick J. Michaels _Hard Green: Saving the Environment from Environmentalists_ by Peter Huber _Unstoppable Global Warming, Every 1500 Years_ Patrick J. Michaels _The Greatest Hoax: How the Global Warming Conspiracy Threatens Your Future_ Senator James Inhofe _The Deliberate Corruption of Climate Science_ Tim Ball _Climate of Corruption: Politics and Power Behind The Global Warming Hoax_ Larry Bell http://joannenova.com.au/ What's your point here, Jim? Did you follow the sources quoted in that story? "Everywhere we look, the climate change signal for extreme heat events is becoming stronger," said Andrew King, a climate extremes research fellow at the University of Melbourne, Australia and lead author of the study. "Recent record-breaking hot years globally were so much outside natural variability that they were almost impossible without global warming." -- "Emergence of heat extremes attributable to anthropogenic influences": Andrew D. King. -- Ed Huntress How have you practiced reducing your personal carbon footprint before you are forced to? Do you even have a clothesline? Why should I care? And what does it have to do with my question? -- Ed Huntress Have you swallowed the Left's voodoo that these AGW restrictions you support will only punish those evil rich folks who supply you with the energy you depend on, without affecting you personally? --jsw |
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On 2016-03-09, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Wed, 09 Mar 2016 07:21:10 -0600, Ignoramus1161 wrote: I have a question. If global warming is fake, how come those glaciers are shrinking? And so does the Arctic ice? i You mean this ice? http://www.express.co.uk/news/nature...e-caps-melting http://www.nasa.gov/content/goddard/...ecord-maximum/ Check the second link...see who it is? Might want to review your choices in data a bit more...carefully. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus Very interesting. Maybe I should buy some real estate on a Florida beach... just kidding i |
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On Thu, 10 Mar 2016 09:44:09 -0600, Ignoramus26799
wrote: On 2016-03-09, Gunner Asch wrote: On Wed, 09 Mar 2016 07:21:10 -0600, Ignoramus1161 wrote: I have a question. If global warming is fake, how come those glaciers are shrinking? And so does the Arctic ice? i You mean this ice? http://www.express.co.uk/news/nature...e-caps-melting http://www.nasa.gov/content/goddard/...ecord-maximum/ Check the second link...see who it is? Might want to review your choices in data a bit more...carefully. Yeah, like the second link. Do you EVER read the stuff you link to? Iggy asks about Arctic ice, and Gunner posts a link from NASA that says: "Since the late 1970s, the Arctic has lost an average of 20,800 square miles (53,900 square kilometers) of ice a year; the Antarctic has gained an average of 7,300 square miles (18,900 sq km). "The upward trend in the Antarctic, however, is only about a third of the magnitude of the rapid loss of sea ice in the Arctic Ocean." Sometimes I wonder how Gunner made it through high school. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus Very interesting. Maybe I should buy some real estate on a Florida beach... just kidding i Try buying something around, say, Opa-locka. Your kids may wind up with beach-front. d8-) -- Ed Huntress |
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On 2016-03-10, Ed Huntress wrote:
On Thu, 10 Mar 2016 09:44:09 -0600, Ignoramus26799 wrote: On 2016-03-09, Gunner Asch wrote: On Wed, 09 Mar 2016 07:21:10 -0600, Ignoramus1161 wrote: I have a question. If global warming is fake, how come those glaciers are shrinking? And so does the Arctic ice? i You mean this ice? http://www.express.co.uk/news/nature...e-caps-melting http://www.nasa.gov/content/goddard/...ecord-maximum/ Check the second link...see who it is? Might want to review your choices in data a bit more...carefully. Yeah, like the second link. Do you EVER read the stuff you link to? Iggy asks about Arctic ice, and Gunner posts a link from NASA that says: "Since the late 1970s, the Arctic has lost an average of 20,800 square miles (53,900 square kilometers) of ice a year; the Antarctic has gained an average of 7,300 square miles (18,900 sq km). "The upward trend in the Antarctic, however, is only about a third of the magnitude of the rapid loss of sea ice in the Arctic Ocean." Sometimes I wonder how Gunner made it through high school. Ed, I did see that, but when one place is shrinking and another is growing, you have to wonder what is going on. i --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus Very interesting. Maybe I should buy some real estate on a Florida beach... just kidding i Try buying something around, say, Opa-locka. Your kids may wind up with beach-front. d8-) |
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"Ignoramus26799" wrote in
message ... On 2016-03-09, Gunner Asch wrote: On Wed, 09 Mar 2016 07:21:10 -0600, Ignoramus1161 wrote: I have a question. If global warming is fake, how come those glaciers are shrinking? And so does the Arctic ice? i You mean this ice? http://www.express.co.uk/news/nature...e-caps-melting http://www.nasa.gov/content/goddard/...ecord-maximum/ Check the second link...see who it is? Might want to review your choices in data a bit more...carefully. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus Very interesting. Maybe I should buy some real estate on a Florida beach... just kidding i To confuse the matter, land also rises and falls: mile-high Denver was once below sea level. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Interior_Seaway In recorded history some Mediterranean coastlines have submerged, the sea has moved back from others. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermopylae "Between 480 BC and the 21st century, the shoreline advanced by as much as 9 km (5.6 mi) in places,..." Mean sea levels differ by ~20 cm at the two ends of the Panama Canal. Depending on tides the Pacific side can be 12' higher than the Atlantic. --jsw |
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On Thu, 10 Mar 2016 10:29:49 -0600, Ignoramus26799
wrote: On 2016-03-10, Ed Huntress wrote: On Thu, 10 Mar 2016 09:44:09 -0600, Ignoramus26799 wrote: On 2016-03-09, Gunner Asch wrote: On Wed, 09 Mar 2016 07:21:10 -0600, Ignoramus1161 wrote: I have a question. If global warming is fake, how come those glaciers are shrinking? And so does the Arctic ice? i You mean this ice? http://www.express.co.uk/news/nature...e-caps-melting http://www.nasa.gov/content/goddard/...ecord-maximum/ Check the second link...see who it is? Might want to review your choices in data a bit more...carefully. Yeah, like the second link. Do you EVER read the stuff you link to? Iggy asks about Arctic ice, and Gunner posts a link from NASA that says: "Since the late 1970s, the Arctic has lost an average of 20,800 square miles (53,900 square kilometers) of ice a year; the Antarctic has gained an average of 7,300 square miles (18,900 sq km). "The upward trend in the Antarctic, however, is only about a third of the magnitude of the rapid loss of sea ice in the Arctic Ocean." Sometimes I wonder how Gunner made it through high school. Ed, I did see that, but when one place is shrinking and another is growing, you have to wonder what is going on. Well, read the whole article. This has been discussed in the literature for at least a few years. They suspect it represents a change in global weather patterns (not overall climate), resulting in a low-pressure area over the Amundson Sea: "... in the Bellingshausen Sea just to the west of the peninsula the sea ice is shrinking. Beyond the Bellingshausen Sea and past the Amundsen Sea, lies the Ross Sea – where much of the sea ice growth is occurring. The Ross Sea region has seen some of the largest increases in Antarctic sea ice extent. "That suggests that a low-pressure system centered in the Amundsen Sea could be intensifying or becoming more frequent in the area, she said – changing the wind patterns and circulating warm air over the peninsula, while sweeping cold air from the Antarctic continent over the Ross Sea." The deniers tend to seize on local weather events and assume they represent larger climate events. The bottom line is that polar ice is shrinking three times faster than it's growing. -- Ed Huntress i --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus Very interesting. Maybe I should buy some real estate on a Florida beach... just kidding i Try buying something around, say, Opa-locka. Your kids may wind up with beach-front. d8-) |
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On Thu, 10 Mar 2016 07:59:06 -0500, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote: "Ed Huntress" wrote in message .. . On Thu, 10 Mar 2016 06:46:32 -0500, "Jim Wilkins" wrote: "Ed Huntress" wrote in message ... On Wed, 9 Mar 2016 23:06:10 -0500, "Jim Wilkins" wrote: "Larry Jaques" wrote in message om... On Wed, 09 Mar 2016 07:21:10 -0600, Ignoramus1161 wrote: I have a question. If global warming is fake, how come those glaciers are shrinking? And so does the Arctic ice? Questions here, too. If Algore is an environmentalist, why was he spending over $30,000 a year to heat and cool his home? And if his movie was realistic, why did the Brits ban it from showing in UK schools? And if polar bears were drowning, why didn't they just move with the ice? ;) P.S: Algore finally admitted that was entirely CGI and that he made up the polar bear story. Then again, I just saw another picture of a dead polar bear captioned on yet another AGWK story recently. sigh They just don't get it. Now, your answer: Check the rest of the Earth. When one area loses ice, ice builds in another area. It happens the same way each year with the seasons, but that's called "weather", which is what people are reacting to. Earth is between ice ages and will continue to warm (or remain stable like the past decade+) until the next ice age. Also see these books: _State of Fear_ The excellent fictional book by Michael Crichton which first led me to question the media and global alarmists. _The Skeptical Environmentalist_ Bjorn Lomborg (formerly of Greenpeace) _The Politically Incorrect Guide to Global Warming and Environmentalism_ Chris Horner _Terrestrial Energy_ William Tucker _Meltdown: The Predictable Distortion of Global Warming by Scientists, Politicians, and the Media_ Patrick J. Michaels _Hard Green: Saving the Environment from Environmentalists_ by Peter Huber _Unstoppable Global Warming, Every 1500 Years_ Patrick J. Michaels _The Greatest Hoax: How the Global Warming Conspiracy Threatens Your Future_ Senator James Inhofe _The Deliberate Corruption of Climate Science_ Tim Ball _Climate of Corruption: Politics and Power Behind The Global Warming Hoax_ Larry Bell http://joannenova.com.au/ What's your point here, Jim? Did you follow the sources quoted in that story? "Everywhere we look, the climate change signal for extreme heat events is becoming stronger," said Andrew King, a climate extremes research fellow at the University of Melbourne, Australia and lead author of the study. "Recent record-breaking hot years globally were so much outside natural variability that they were almost impossible without global warming." -- "Emergence of heat extremes attributable to anthropogenic influences": Andrew D. King. -- Ed Huntress How have you practiced reducing your personal carbon footprint before you are forced to? Do you even have a clothesline? Why should I care? And what does it have to do with my question? -- Ed Huntress Have you swallowed the Left's voodoo that these AGW restrictions you support will only punish those evil rich folks who supply you with the energy you depend on, without affecting you personally? --jsw Are you saying that your economic philosophy trumps the science? This is what prompted my question: You've generally been on the anti-AGM side of these discussions, but then you post a link to an article that says, to repeat: "Recent record-breaking hot years globally were so much outside natural variability that they were almost impossible without global warming." This, in an article titled "Emergence of heat extremes attributable to anthropogenic influences." So this is the question: Have you changed your position, or did you do a Gunner and not read the article you linked to? -- Ed Huntress |
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"Ed Huntress" wrote in message ... On Thu, 10 Mar 2016 07:59:06 -0500, "Jim Wilkins" wrote: "Ed Huntress" wrote in message . .. On Thu, 10 Mar 2016 06:46:32 -0500, "Jim Wilkins" wrote: "Ed Huntress" wrote in message m... On Wed, 9 Mar 2016 23:06:10 -0500, "Jim Wilkins" wrote: "Larry Jaques" wrote in message news:n0h1ebl2nmu7l7d4qm61vf4hugvh1fl6cs@4ax. com... On Wed, 09 Mar 2016 07:21:10 -0600, Ignoramus1161 wrote: I have a question. If global warming is fake, how come those glaciers are shrinking? And so does the Arctic ice? Questions here, too. If Algore is an environmentalist, why was he spending over $30,000 a year to heat and cool his home? And if his movie was realistic, why did the Brits ban it from showing in UK schools? And if polar bears were drowning, why didn't they just move with the ice? ;) P.S: Algore finally admitted that was entirely CGI and that he made up the polar bear story. Then again, I just saw another picture of a dead polar bear captioned on yet another AGWK story recently. sigh They just don't get it. Now, your answer: Check the rest of the Earth. When one area loses ice, ice builds in another area. It happens the same way each year with the seasons, but that's called "weather", which is what people are reacting to. Earth is between ice ages and will continue to warm (or remain stable like the past decade+) until the next ice age. Also see these books: _State of Fear_ The excellent fictional book by Michael Crichton which first led me to question the media and global alarmists. _The Skeptical Environmentalist_ Bjorn Lomborg (formerly of Greenpeace) _The Politically Incorrect Guide to Global Warming and Environmentalism_ Chris Horner _Terrestrial Energy_ William Tucker _Meltdown: The Predictable Distortion of Global Warming by Scientists, Politicians, and the Media_ Patrick J. Michaels _Hard Green: Saving the Environment from Environmentalists_ by Peter Huber _Unstoppable Global Warming, Every 1500 Years_ Patrick J. Michaels _The Greatest Hoax: How the Global Warming Conspiracy Threatens Your Future_ Senator James Inhofe _The Deliberate Corruption of Climate Science_ Tim Ball _Climate of Corruption: Politics and Power Behind The Global Warming Hoax_ Larry Bell http://joannenova.com.au/ What's your point here, Jim? Did you follow the sources quoted in that story? "Everywhere we look, the climate change signal for extreme heat events is becoming stronger," said Andrew King, a climate extremes research fellow at the University of Melbourne, Australia and lead author of the study. "Recent record-breaking hot years globally were so much outside natural variability that they were almost impossible without global warming." -- "Emergence of heat extremes attributable to anthropogenic influences": Andrew D. King. -- Ed Huntress How have you practiced reducing your personal carbon footprint before you are forced to? Do you even have a clothesline? Why should I care? And what does it have to do with my question? -- Ed Huntress Have you swallowed the Left's voodoo that these AGW restrictions you support will only punish those evil rich folks who supply you with the energy you depend on, without affecting you personally? --jsw Are you saying that your economic philosophy trumps the science? This is what prompted my question: You've generally been on the anti-AGM side of these discussions, but then you post a link to an article that says, to repeat: "Recent record-breaking hot years globally were so much outside natural variability that they were almost impossible without global warming." This, in an article titled "Emergence of heat extremes attributable to anthropogenic influences." So this is the question: Have you changed your position, or did you do a Gunner and not read the article you linked to? -- Ed Huntress I can't confirm or deny the validity of AGW. I merely call out the blatant deceptions of its fervent acolytes, while trying to learn to live with the shortages and restrictions that will surely happen if you ever get all you demand. This means needing less rather than having more. --jsw |
No Gorbal warming...in...58 yrs....
On Thu, 10 Mar 2016 12:45:22 -0500, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote: "Ed Huntress" wrote in message .. . On Thu, 10 Mar 2016 07:59:06 -0500, "Jim Wilkins" wrote: "Ed Huntress" wrote in message ... On Thu, 10 Mar 2016 06:46:32 -0500, "Jim Wilkins" wrote: "Ed Huntress" wrote in message om... On Wed, 9 Mar 2016 23:06:10 -0500, "Jim Wilkins" wrote: "Larry Jaques" wrote in message news:n0h1ebl2nmu7l7d4qm61vf4hugvh1fl6cs@4ax .com... On Wed, 09 Mar 2016 07:21:10 -0600, Ignoramus1161 wrote: I have a question. If global warming is fake, how come those glaciers are shrinking? And so does the Arctic ice? Questions here, too. If Algore is an environmentalist, why was he spending over $30,000 a year to heat and cool his home? And if his movie was realistic, why did the Brits ban it from showing in UK schools? And if polar bears were drowning, why didn't they just move with the ice? ;) P.S: Algore finally admitted that was entirely CGI and that he made up the polar bear story. Then again, I just saw another picture of a dead polar bear captioned on yet another AGWK story recently. sigh They just don't get it. Now, your answer: Check the rest of the Earth. When one area loses ice, ice builds in another area. It happens the same way each year with the seasons, but that's called "weather", which is what people are reacting to. Earth is between ice ages and will continue to warm (or remain stable like the past decade+) until the next ice age. Also see these books: _State of Fear_ The excellent fictional book by Michael Crichton which first led me to question the media and global alarmists. _The Skeptical Environmentalist_ Bjorn Lomborg (formerly of Greenpeace) _The Politically Incorrect Guide to Global Warming and Environmentalism_ Chris Horner _Terrestrial Energy_ William Tucker _Meltdown: The Predictable Distortion of Global Warming by Scientists, Politicians, and the Media_ Patrick J. Michaels _Hard Green: Saving the Environment from Environmentalists_ by Peter Huber _Unstoppable Global Warming, Every 1500 Years_ Patrick J. Michaels _The Greatest Hoax: How the Global Warming Conspiracy Threatens Your Future_ Senator James Inhofe _The Deliberate Corruption of Climate Science_ Tim Ball _Climate of Corruption: Politics and Power Behind The Global Warming Hoax_ Larry Bell http://joannenova.com.au/ What's your point here, Jim? Did you follow the sources quoted in that story? "Everywhere we look, the climate change signal for extreme heat events is becoming stronger," said Andrew King, a climate extremes research fellow at the University of Melbourne, Australia and lead author of the study. "Recent record-breaking hot years globally were so much outside natural variability that they were almost impossible without global warming." -- "Emergence of heat extremes attributable to anthropogenic influences": Andrew D. King. -- Ed Huntress How have you practiced reducing your personal carbon footprint before you are forced to? Do you even have a clothesline? Why should I care? And what does it have to do with my question? -- Ed Huntress Have you swallowed the Left's voodoo that these AGW restrictions you support will only punish those evil rich folks who supply you with the energy you depend on, without affecting you personally? --jsw Are you saying that your economic philosophy trumps the science? This is what prompted my question: You've generally been on the anti-AGM side of these discussions, but then you post a link to an article that says, to repeat: "Recent record-breaking hot years globally were so much outside natural variability that they were almost impossible without global warming." This, in an article titled "Emergence of heat extremes attributable to anthropogenic influences." So this is the question: Have you changed your position, or did you do a Gunner and not read the article you linked to? -- Ed Huntress I can't confirm or deny the validity of AGW. Neither can anyone else in this NG. But it's sometimes entertaining to watch them try. I merely call out the blatant deceptions of its fervent acolytes... In this case, what you were "calling out" was unclear -- unless it's all of Larry's claims and citations. You linked to a claim by a real climatologist that says the evidence of warming is almost impossible to explain without "anthropogenic influences." ...while trying to learn to live with the shortages and restrictions that will surely happen if you ever get all you demand. Is there something I'm demanding? If so, I'm unaware of it. This means needing less rather than having more. It looks to me like we have more than ever before. I'm not complaining about it. -- Ed Huntress --jsw |
No Gorbal warming...in...58 yrs....
On Thu, 10 Mar 2016 13:14:45 -0500, Ed Huntress
wrote: Ed, you are one kind soul to attempt to bring facts and reason into this discussion. My take on the subject is that it is one of many where regular Joes should best accept the collective wisdom of the experts. I'm surprised that I'm still incredulous about small-brained people having "beliefs" about complicated subjects they judge mostly by irrelevant personal observations, anecdotes, and fringe web pages. While digging into the details might be work, finding the well-researched and well-accepted conclusions is easy. Those who insist on putting their opinion above the science are frequently birthers, etc. The willfully ignorant are hopeless and it's a sorry state of affairs that so much energy is wasted trying to fix them. |
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