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These engine kits are offered from many sellers and the quality seems
to be all over the place. So I don't know what is gonna show up on my
doorstep. I will for sure be making custom mounts because ALL the
mounting options I have seen for these engines have been far from
ideal. I also don't like the gas tanks, mainly because they look like
a gas tank. I have seen several bike conversions that look great.
These were all based on Beach Cruiser type bicycles. However, I am
going to be hanging this engine on my eighteen speed road bike and the
gas tank would just look plain wrong, to me at least. I have already
designed and drawn a new gas tank that has a reserve tank in it. This
will require two gas valves unless I can find a valve I like that has
a reserve position. If anyone here is interested I can post updates on
the conversion. Since metalworking will be involved the posts will be
appropriate.
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These engine kits are offered from many sellers and the quality seems
to be all over the place. So I don't know what is gonna show up on my
doorstep. I will for sure be making custom mounts because ALL the
mounting options I have seen for these engines have been far from
ideal. I also don't like the gas tanks, mainly because they look like
a gas tank. I have seen several bike conversions that look great.
These were all based on Beach Cruiser type bicycles. However, I am
going to be hanging this engine on my eighteen speed road bike and the
gas tank would just look plain wrong, to me at least. I have already
designed and drawn a new gas tank that has a reserve tank in it. This
will require two gas valves unless I can find a valve I like that has
a reserve position. If anyone here is interested I can post updates on
the conversion. Since metalworking will be involved the posts will be
appropriate.
Eric


You probably already know this but... The "reserve tank" on my old
motorcycles was simply a valve with an off and outlet 1 and 2. We'll
call the primary outlet 1 which was simply a tube that stood up higher
in the tank. Outlet 2 drew off the bottom.

My current motorcycle (1986 model) has just on/off. It uses an idiot
light that comes on when there is maybe 1/3 gallon left. You first
notice it when stopping. Goes out again when you get rolling again.

I depend on my trip odometer more than the light. I reset it when I
fill up and start looking for fuel at around 100 miles. Around 130
miles I start to get pretty worried;-)

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These engine kits are offered from many sellers and the quality seems
to be all over the place. So I don't know what is gonna show up on my
doorstep. I will for sure be making custom mounts because ALL the
mounting options I have seen for these engines have been far from
ideal. I also don't like the gas tanks, mainly because they look like
a gas tank. I have seen several bike conversions that look great.
These were all based on Beach Cruiser type bicycles. However, I am
going to be hanging this engine on my eighteen speed road bike and the
gas tank would just look plain wrong, to me at least. I have already
designed and drawn a new gas tank that has a reserve tank in it. This
will require two gas valves unless I can find a valve I like that has
a reserve position. If anyone here is interested I can post updates on
the conversion. Since metalworking will be involved the posts will be
appropriate.
Eric


I had one of those mounted on my mountain bike.
Came with the optional bent crankshaft and chrome tank.
Just to get an idea of what they are like you should strap a chainsaw between your legs. Industrial ear protection is recommended.


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On Wednesday, October 21, 2015 at 1:01:25 PM UTC-5, wrote:
These engine kits are offered from many sellers and the quality seems
to be all over the place. So I don't know what is gonna show up on my
doorstep. I will for sure be making custom mounts because ALL the
mounting options I have seen for these engines have been far from
ideal. I also don't like the gas tanks, mainly because they look like
a gas tank. I have seen several bike conversions that look great.
These were all based on Beach Cruiser type bicycles. However, I am
going to be hanging this engine on my eighteen speed road bike and the
gas tank would just look plain wrong, to me at least. I have already
designed and drawn a new gas tank that has a reserve tank in it. This
will require two gas valves unless I can find a valve I like that has
a reserve position. If anyone here is interested I can post updates on
the conversion. Since metalworking will be involved the posts will be
appropriate.
Eric


I had one of those mounted on my mountain bike.
Came with the optional bent crankshaft and chrome tank.
Just to get an idea of what they are like you should strap a chainsaw between your legs. Industrial ear protection is recommended.

I have seen several up close and running. I have watched folks riding
them and my brother rode one while I watched. His report was that the
engine did not vibrate badly. I have also read a lot about bad engines
and good ones. Your bent crank option was apparently included in many
of the engines. It seems like kind of a crap shoot. I am gonna start
the engine before I mount it to see how well it runs and if it
vibrates badly.
Eric
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Back on 8/10/2015 dpb gave us some information on ISO standards
for tractor CAT lifts.

I have a John Deer Series 1 tractor - a 1025R
with a number of options. Want more... :-)

the Lifting hooks are 28" (tad more) center to center.
The slots in the hooks (taking pins up to) are 1 1/2".

Cat 1+ for midpoint spacing, and larger than CAT 2+ on pins.

So the green 3-point bar/hook set behind my Deer is over sized
for ease of use. Might be that this inhibits third party gear
having fixed center-center larger than a cat 1.

Martin

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I depend on my trip odometer more than the light. I reset it when I
fill up and start looking for fuel at around 100 miles. Around 130
miles I start to get pretty worried;-)

Me too. 1600 Meanie for me these days, although I'ld like to sell
it and ride my wife's Road Glide since she doesn't ride any more. I wish
the Meanie would let me just be worried at 130 miles. LOL.

The last bike I had was a 1949 Harley 74 and I just used to open up
the tank cap and look in :-)


My 81' (yes AMF years) 74" shovel was like that. No worry though
since I had put 6 gallon stetches on it. It also got unbelieveable
mileage. I think that might be distorted though because of the
mileage pushing it. LOL. I sold it to buy my 97 FLHT. Wish I still
had that one some days. It wasn't fast, but it wasn't fast about the
same running light or pulling a trailer loaded for a week on the road.


I thought Shovels were all 80" by 1981 ? My current ride is a '90 Ultra
Classic , I go by the trip meter because the gauge isn't all that accurate .
My AMF bike was a '76 FLH with all the original goodies , including factory
hand shift . I still miss that bike 7 years later . RIP Bag Lady .
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I depend on my trip odometer more than the light. I reset it
when I
fill up and start looking for fuel at around 100 miles. Around
130
miles I start to get pretty worried;-)

Me too. 1600 Meanie for me these days, although I'ld like to
sell it and
ride my wife's Road Glide since she doesn't ride any more. I
wish the
Meanie would let me just be worried at 130 miles. LOL.

The last bike I had was a 1949 Harley 74 and I just used to open
up
the tank cap and look in :-)
Sounds like my '49 VW. You could stick your hand down the filler
pipe to determine how much gas was left.

Typical VW owner. Sheesh...


Ex VW owner. 1973-74 in Livingstone Zambia. Then I owned an early
injected Rabbit for about 6 months here in Ontario. That was
enough.


Nay! Once a VW owner...

How'd the Wabbit do in the ice and snow?


In the mid 70's I had a Civic with studded snow tires. When I went out
to play on the slippery back roads after a snowstorm the only other
cars out doing the same were Saabs and Rabbits.





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I depend on my trip odometer more than the light. I reset it when I
fill up and start looking for fuel at around 100 miles. Around 130
miles I start to get pretty worried;-)

Me too. 1600 Meanie for me these days, although I'ld like to sell
it and ride my wife's Road Glide since she doesn't ride any more. I
wish the Meanie would let me just be worried at 130 miles. LOL.

The last bike I had was a 1949 Harley 74 and I just used to open up
the tank cap and look in :-)


My 81' (yes AMF years) 74" shovel was like that. No worry though
since I had put 6 gallon stetches on it. It also got unbelieveable
mileage. I think that might be distorted though because of the
mileage pushing it. LOL. I sold it to buy my 97 FLHT. Wish I still
had that one some days. It wasn't fast, but it wasn't fast about the
same running light or pulling a trailer loaded for a week on the road.


I thought Shovels were all 80" by 1981 ? My current ride is a '90 Ultra
Classic , I go by the trip meter because the gauge isn't all that accurate
.
My AMF bike was a '76 FLH with all the original goodies , including
factory hand shift . I still miss that bike 7 years later . RIP Bag Lady .
--
Snag


I was "told" that there were some bikes made in that transitional time were
they just grabbed parts off the shelf and threw a bike together to get a
unit out the door. Mine was definitely a 74" as established when we tore it
down and freshened it up. That bike was a night mare. I recall one holiday
toy delivery ride where I had to stop and let hydraulid oil out of one of
the brake slaves because it was not retracting fully, and one of the brakes
was red hot.





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How'd the Wabbit do in the ice and snow?

I bought it in the spring and sold it in September or October.


I had forgotten that Fort Frozen Wilderness thawed at times.

Grok Jim's post Civics, Saabs, and Wabbits. IIRC, the first
front-drive vehicles in the USA were touted as being the safest on
ice, with their pulling v. pushing tires. I'd imagine that studded
tires would tremendously increase that.


My first car was a Morris Mini 850. I took jt places I wouldn't take
a jeep.
When my brother lost his rallye driver and asked me to join him (he
was navigator) he asked me what kind of car I'd like - and told me to
start looking for one CHEAP. I said front wheel drive - longitudinal
mounted engie - and found a Renault R12. We rallyed it for 3 years -
quite successfully.

My "primary" vehicle in Zambia was a Peugeot 204 wagon - fwd - and I
ended up with the 'Dub when the Peugeot broke and getting parts proved
to be a problem.
Here are 2 somethings I'll never do, either:
http://photos.imageevent.com/motorbi...r-Snow-Ski.jpg
https://motorcyclemaniac.files.wordp...portbikes3.jpg

I haven't yet owned a FWD or 4WD vehicle, but I'd kinda like to have a
little bugout diesel motorcycle some day.
http://tinyurl.com/q4wb55m (+ blonde) or http://tinyurl.com/qgkvlrs
I loved cruising the trails in me yout.

I've owned and driven 4wd as well - big problem is there is twice as
much to go wrong - so twice as much to spend keeping them on the road.
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How'd the Wabbit do in the ice and snow?
I bought it in the spring and sold it in September or October.


I had forgotten that Fort Frozen Wilderness thawed at times.

Grok Jim's post Civics, Saabs, and Wabbits. IIRC, the first
front-drive vehicles in the USA were touted as being the safest on
ice, with their pulling v. pushing tires. I'd imagine that studded
tires would tremendously increase that.


My first car was a Morris Mini 850. I took jt places I wouldn't take
a jeep.


With spiked tires? OK.

My sister's was a Morris 1100. I hated riding in that POS. If you
ran over a cigarette butt on the road, you could tell whether it was
plain or filtered by how badly it bounced you around.


When my brother lost his rallye driver and asked me to join him (he
was navigator) he asked me what kind of car I'd like - and told me to
start looking for one CHEAP. I said front wheel drive - longitudinal
mounted engie - and found a Renault R12. We rallyed it for 3 years -
quite successfully.


Dad was into gymkhanas and autocrosses in Arkansas. It's how I cut my
teeth on auto repair. One of my first jobs was tuning his wire wheels
on the Austin Healey 100-4. Super-mini rally, wot?


My "primary" vehicle in Zambia was a Peugeot 204 wagon - fwd - and I
ended up with the 'Dub when the Peugeot broke and getting parts proved
to be a problem.


I'll bet!


Here are 2 somethings I'll never do, either:
http://photos.imageevent.com/motorbi...r-Snow-Ski.jpg
https://motorcyclemaniac.files.wordp...portbikes3.jpg

I haven't yet owned a FWD or 4WD vehicle, but I'd kinda like to have a
little bugout diesel motorcycle some day.
http://tinyurl.com/q4wb55m (+ blonde) or http://tinyurl.com/qgkvlrs
I loved cruising the trails in me yout.

I've owned and driven 4wd as well - big problem is there is twice as
much to go wrong - so twice as much to spend keeping them on the road.


Indeed.

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to change the world who are causing all the trouble.
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How'd the Wabbit do in the ice and snow?

I bought it in the spring and sold it in September or October.


I had forgotten that Fort Frozen Wilderness thawed at times.

Grok Jim's post Civics, Saabs, and Wabbits. IIRC, the first
front-drive vehicles in the USA were touted as being the safest on
ice, with their pulling v. pushing tires. I'd imagine that studded
tires would tremendously increase that.

Here are 2 somethings I'll never do, either:
http://photos.imageevent.com/motorbi...r-Snow-Ski.jpg
https://motorcyclemaniac.files.wordp...portbikes3.jpg

I haven't yet owned a FWD or 4WD vehicle, but I'd kinda like to have
a
little bugout diesel motorcycle some day.
http://tinyurl.com/q4wb55m (+ blonde) or http://tinyurl.com/qgkvlrs
I loved cruising the trails in me yout.


Studs didn't help at all on packed snow.

I cruised the snowmobile trails and frozen lakes on my dirt bike, with
Trials Universal tires.


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On Fri, 23 Oct 2015 14:59:56 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote:

On Fri, 23 Oct 2015 13:14:25 -0400,
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On Fri, 23 Oct 2015 07:39:16 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote:

How'd the Wabbit do in the ice and snow?
I bought it in the spring and sold it in September or October.

I had forgotten that Fort Frozen Wilderness thawed at times.

Grok Jim's post Civics, Saabs, and Wabbits. IIRC, the first
front-drive vehicles in the USA were touted as being the safest on
ice, with their pulling v. pushing tires. I'd imagine that studded
tires would tremendously increase that.


My first car was a Morris Mini 850. I took jt places I wouldn't take
a jeep.


With spiked tires? OK.

Nope - no spikes - no studs.

My sister's was a Morris 1100. I hated riding in that POS. If you
ran over a cigarette butt on the road, you could tell whether it was
plain or filtered by how badly it bounced you around.

The old mini rode on 4 hockey pucks - most 1100s were hydrolastic.


When my brother lost his rallye driver and asked me to join him (he
was navigator) he asked me what kind of car I'd like - and told me to
start looking for one CHEAP. I said front wheel drive - longitudinal
mounted engie - and found a Renault R12. We rallyed it for 3 years -
quite successfully.


Dad was into gymkhanas and autocrosses in Arkansas. It's how I cut my
teeth on auto repair. One of my first jobs was tuning his wire wheels
on the Austin Healey 100-4. Super-mini rally, wot?


We ran the Ontario Regional Navigation Rallye series and finished
4th, third, and second in the 3 rears we ran - and NEVER broke the
car. My brother was a crackerjack navigator and we zeroed more
check-points than any other driver the last 2 years. We also had the
lowest powered car in the series


My "primary" vehicle in Zambia was a Peugeot 204 wagon - fwd - and I
ended up with the 'Dub when the Peugeot broke and getting parts proved
to be a problem.


I'll bet!


Here are 2 somethings I'll never do, either:
http://photos.imageevent.com/motorbi...r-Snow-Ski.jpg
https://motorcyclemaniac.files.wordp...portbikes3.jpg

I haven't yet owned a FWD or 4WD vehicle, but I'd kinda like to have a
little bugout diesel motorcycle some day.
http://tinyurl.com/q4wb55m (+ blonde) or http://tinyurl.com/qgkvlrs
I loved cruising the trails in me yout.

I've owned and driven 4wd as well - big problem is there is twice as
much to go wrong - so twice as much to spend keeping them on the road.


Indeed.

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to change the world who are causing all the trouble.
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How'd the Wabbit do in the ice and snow?
I bought it in the spring and sold it in September or October.


I had forgotten that Fort Frozen Wilderness thawed at times.

Grok Jim's post Civics, Saabs, and Wabbits. IIRC, the first
front-drive vehicles in the USA were touted as being the safest on
ice, with their pulling v. pushing tires. I'd imagine that studded
tires would tremendously increase that.

Here are 2 somethings I'll never do, either:
http://photos.imageevent.com/motorbi...r-Snow-Ski.jpg
https://motorcyclemaniac.files.wordp...portbikes3.jpg

I haven't yet owned a FWD or 4WD vehicle, but I'd kinda like to have
a
little bugout diesel motorcycle some day.
http://tinyurl.com/q4wb55m (+ blonde) or http://tinyurl.com/qgkvlrs
I loved cruising the trails in me yout.


Studs didn't help at all on packed snow.

I cruised the snowmobile trails and frozen lakes on my dirt bike, with
Trials Universal tires.

Actually on hard packed snow the studs were a small advantage -not
nearly as much as on ice. I had studs on the '63 Valiant but they
were outlawed in southern Ontario about the time I bought the Dart. I
put a lot of miles on the Dart and wore out the snows and also wore
out a set of chains. It was a '69 and it had over 200,000 miles on it
when I sold it in '72.
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I depend on my trip odometer more than the light. I reset it
when I fill up and start looking for fuel at around 100 miles.
Around 130 miles I start to get pretty worried;-)

Me too. 1600 Meanie for me these days, although I'ld like to sell
it and ride my wife's Road Glide since she doesn't ride any more.
I wish the Meanie would let me just be worried at 130 miles. LOL.

The last bike I had was a 1949 Harley 74 and I just used to open up
the tank cap and look in :-)

My 81' (yes AMF years) 74" shovel was like that. No worry though
since I had put 6 gallon stetches on it. It also got unbelieveable
mileage. I think that might be distorted though because of the
mileage pushing it. LOL. I sold it to buy my 97 FLHT. Wish I still
had that one some days. It wasn't fast, but it wasn't fast about
the same running light or pulling a trailer loaded for a week on
the road.


I thought Shovels were all 80" by 1981 ? My current ride is a '90
Ultra Classic , I go by the trip meter because the gauge isn't all
that accurate .
My AMF bike was a '76 FLH with all the original goodies , including
factory hand shift . I still miss that bike 7 years later . RIP Bag
Lady . --
Snag


I was "told" that there were some bikes made in that transitional
time were they just grabbed parts off the shelf and threw a bike
together to get a unit out the door. Mine was definitely a 74" as
established when we tore it down and freshened it up. That bike was
a night mare. I recall one holiday toy delivery ride where I had to
stop and let hydraulid oil out of one of the brake slaves because it
was not retracting fully, and one of the brakes was red hot.


A friend of mine has an '84 FXEF , Evo motor in a shovel frame with a
cowpatty 4 speed trans . He had a real bitch of a time finding a replacement
inner primary for it . We call it "Fat Bottom Girl" , but not when his wife
is around ... it's her bike .

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On Fri, 23 Oct 2015 07:39:16 -0700, Larry Jaques
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How'd the Wabbit do in the ice and snow?
I bought it in the spring and sold it in September or October.


I had forgotten that Fort Frozen Wilderness thawed at times.

Grok Jim's post Civics, Saabs, and Wabbits. IIRC, the first
front-drive vehicles in the USA were touted as being the safest on
ice, with their pulling v. pushing tires. I'd imagine that studded
tires would tremendously increase that.

Here are 2 somethings I'll never do, either:
http://photos.imageevent.com/motorbi...r-Snow-Ski.jpg
https://motorcyclemaniac.files.wordp...portbikes3.jpg

I haven't yet owned a FWD or 4WD vehicle, but I'd kinda like to have
a
little bugout diesel motorcycle some day.
http://tinyurl.com/q4wb55m (+ blonde) or http://tinyurl.com/qgkvlrs
I loved cruising the trails in me yout.


Studs didn't help at all on packed snow.


Perhaps not, but snow isn't nearly as slick as ice, from my very
limited experience. BTDT, you can have it.


I cruised the snowmobile trails and frozen lakes on my dirt bike, with
Trials Universal tires.


Interesting! What's different about the Trials tires? One would
expect them to be a bit softer and stickier than regular knobbies, to
do the slow crawls up the near vertical sides of rocks like a gecko. I
don't think I ever touched tires on any of the few Trials bikes I've
been around. The extreme (1.5-2" long) knobbies my friend, Ken, used
on his Husky 400 "Trencher" were semi-hard. It was named when he
kiddingly asked "Anyone need a trench dug?" as he proceeded to dig one
with the brand new knobbie. I think debris was still falling a minute
later, after he toggled the throttle from WFO to OFF. That was a
scaryass bike with a 1/4-turn throttle which felt like a simple toggle
switch. I thanked my lucky stars the one time I rode it when I found
that the throttle was a reverse. You roll it forward to gas it. That
allowed me to have more of a Mr. Toad's Wild Ride. (infamously boring
Disneyland ride) Ken won quite a few LoCal races on that beastie.

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How'd the Wabbit do in the ice and snow?
I bought it in the spring and sold it in September or October.

I had forgotten that Fort Frozen Wilderness thawed at times.

Grok Jim's post Civics, Saabs, and Wabbits. IIRC, the first
front-drive vehicles in the USA were touted as being the safest on
ice, with their pulling v. pushing tires. I'd imagine that studded
tires would tremendously increase that.

Here are 2 somethings I'll never do, either:
http://photos.imageevent.com/motorbi...r-Snow-Ski.jpg
https://motorcyclemaniac.files.wordp...portbikes3.jpg

I haven't yet owned a FWD or 4WD vehicle, but I'd kinda like to have
a
little bugout diesel motorcycle some day.
http://tinyurl.com/q4wb55m (+ blonde) or http://tinyurl.com/qgkvlrs
I loved cruising the trails in me yout.


Studs didn't help at all on packed snow.

I cruised the snowmobile trails and frozen lakes on my dirt bike, with
Trials Universal tires.

Actually on hard packed snow the studs were a small advantage -not
nearly as much as on ice. I had studs on the '63 Valiant but they
were outlawed in southern Ontario about the time I bought the Dart. I
put a lot of miles on the Dart and wore out the snows and also wore
out a set of chains. It was a '69 and it had over 200,000 miles on it
when I sold it in '72.


I did some ice racing on Rose Lake in MIchigan in the late '60s. The
classes had nothing to do with engine size. They were "engine over
drive wheels," "front engine, rear wheel drive," and "studs." No studs
were allowed in the first two classes, and no four-wheel drive.

The studs were a *huge* advantage. Before the cars raced, there were
motorcycly races. Studs on both wheels, of course. The "studs" they
used were sharpened bolts, with over an inch protruding through the
tires, which had been drilled with holes for the bolts, and washers
and nuts on the outside of the tires.

The fastest "engine over drive wheels" car was a '61 'Vette with the
special tires Sears had made for the Pike's Peak Hillclimb. They were
very soft, with crushed walnut shells mixed in with the outer rubber
compound. Drive a mile or two on paved roads, and the walnut shells
worked their way out. The result looked like coarse sponge rubber.
With no shells visible, the race organizers allowed them.

The second-fastest was a '67 MG Midget with Pirelli Cinturatos, from
NJ. g My little MG would nuzzle down in the tracks torn up by the
studded motorcyles. Racing with the top up and the heater on was a
little different...

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