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Leverage pushes the wheel into the ground that provides
traction. Just like leverage can push a drum into a wheel.

But, I'm pretty sure that friction drive using a drum on a tire,
even when using auto-grip, is significantly less efficient than
driving a bicycle by its chain.


That's how the Solex works, driving the front wheel. I rode one of
those all around Lausanne, Switzerland, in 1968. There must have been
millions of htem in use.

It's also how my 50-year-old Ohlson & Rice "Chickenpower" (1 hp) gas
bike motor works. If you want, I'll post a photo of it.


Not a motorbike but metalwork-related; here's my shot at a friction
drive for a 300# air hammer:

http://home.tallships.ca/mspencer/shop/AO-power.html

Worked fine -- for certain constrained values of "fine". :-)

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Ed Huntress writes:

On Fri, 2 Oct 2015 18:09:06 +0000 (UTC), John Doe
wrote:

Leverage pushes the wheel into the ground that provides
traction. Just like leverage can push a drum into a wheel.

But, I'm pretty sure that friction drive using a drum on a tire,
even when using auto-grip, is significantly less efficient than
driving a bicycle by its chain.


That's how the Solex works, driving the front wheel. I rode one of
those all around Lausanne, Switzerland, in 1968. There must have been
millions of htem in use.

It's also how my 50-year-old Ohlson & Rice "Chickenpower" (1 hp) gas
bike motor works. If you want, I'll post a photo of it.


Not a motorbike but metalwork-related; here's my shot at a friction
drive for a 300# air hammer:

http://home.tallships.ca/mspencer/shop/AO-power.html

Worked fine -- for certain constrained values of "fine". :-)


Ha! Shift gears to accomodate scale. g

OOohh...you have an Acadia? You mean one of the old make-and-break
engines? That must be fun.

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OOohh...you have an Acadia? You mean one of the old make-and-break
engines? That must be fun.


Yeah, it is! It's a 10 HP. They were made in Bridgewater, about 13
miles from me and I was in the plant in the early 70s when they were
still making them. They had a contract from the government to make
them for government wharves -- wharves built in many small fishing
villages, owned and maintained by the feds for the local fishing
fleets. Those 10HP Acadias came equipped with a sprocket and a
chain-driven winch to haul boats out on a skidway. That ended in the
70s and many of the engines were vandalized or stolen.

Mine is the same size but isn't one of those. It's equipped with a
flat-belt pulley. Shortly before the plant was closed, the manager
gave me a photocopy of the "manual" for my engine. I've put it on
line:

http://home.tallships.ca/mspencer/acadia/index.html


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Ed Huntress writes:

OOohh...you have an Acadia? You mean one of the old make-and-break
engines? That must be fun.


Yeah, it is! It's a 10 HP. They were made in Bridgewater, about 13
miles from me and I was in the plant in the early 70s when they were
still making them. They had a contract from the government to make
them for government wharves -- wharves built in many small fishing
villages, owned and maintained by the feds for the local fishing
fleets. Those 10HP Acadias came equipped with a sprocket and a
chain-driven winch to haul boats out on a skidway. That ended in the
70s and many of the engines were vandalized or stolen.

Mine is the same size but isn't one of those. It's equipped with a
flat-belt pulley. Shortly before the plant was closed, the manager
gave me a photocopy of the "manual" for my engine. I've put it on
line:

http://home.tallships.ca/mspencer/acadia/index.html


I'll bet that's good for some conversation.

Back in the '70s, when there was a newsletter called "Classic Boat
Monthly" (which evolved into _Wooden Boat_ magazine), I read an
account of Acadias being used in lobster boats and inshore fishing
boats in the Canadian Maritimes. I thought that they must have a lot
of patience. g

Apparently you could reverse the engine by turning off the ignition,
waiting until the engine almost stopped, and then flipping it on again
at just the right moment. Otherwise, you had to wait for it to stop
and then kick the flywheel in reverse with your foot.

Do you run the stationary version like that?

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Ed Huntress writes:

OOohh...you have an Acadia? You mean one of the old make-and-break
engines? That must be fun.


Yeah, it is! It's a 10 HP. They were made in Bridgewater, about 13
miles from me and I was in the plant in the early 70s when they were
still making them. They had a contract from the government to make
them for government wharves -- wharves built in many small fishing
villages, owned and maintained by the feds for the local fishing
fleets. Those 10HP Acadias came equipped with a sprocket and a
chain-driven winch to haul boats out on a skidway. That ended in the
70s and many of the engines were vandalized or stolen.

Mine is the same size but isn't one of those. It's equipped with a
flat-belt pulley. Shortly before the plant was closed, the manager
gave me a photocopy of the "manual" for my engine. I've put it on
line:

http://home.tallships.ca/mspencer/acadia/index.html


Those old beasties are pretty cool to watch running. They had lots of
folks bring their running engines to the old Vista, CA Gas and Steam
Engine Museum during the Fair days. Ditto the Pottsville shindigs in
Merlin, OR up here. Everyone called them "hit & miss" engines. I got
to help a few guys get theirs running (mostly grunt work, but fun),
but never tore one down. The centrifugal governor grounded the spark
and kept the exhaust valve open during overrev. Simple yet effective.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXkNqjUPL_M Running engine

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Ed Huntress writes:

OOohh...you have an Acadia? You mean one of the old make-and-break
engines? That must be fun.


Yeah, it is! It's a 10 HP. They were made in Bridgewater, about 13
miles from me and I was in the plant in the early 70s when they were
still making them. They had a contract from the government to make
them for government wharves -- wharves built in many small fishing
villages, owned and maintained by the feds for the local fishing
fleets. Those 10HP Acadias came equipped with a sprocket and a
chain-driven winch to haul boats out on a skidway. That ended in
the
70s and many of the engines were vandalized or stolen.

Mine is the same size but isn't one of those. It's equipped with a
flat-belt pulley. Shortly before the plant was closed, the manager
gave me a photocopy of the "manual" for my engine. I've put it on
line:

http://home.tallships.ca/mspencer/acadia/index.html


Those old beasties are pretty cool to watch running. They had lots
of
folks bring their running engines to the old Vista, CA Gas and Steam
Engine Museum during the Fair days. Ditto the Pottsville shindigs
in
Merlin, OR up here. Everyone called them "hit & miss" engines. I
got
to help a few guys get theirs running (mostly grunt work, but fun),
but never tore one down. The centrifugal governor grounded the
spark
and kept the exhaust valve open during overrev. Simple yet
effective.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXkNqjUPL_M Running engine


I timed a large one idling at a show. It would fire two or three
times, then coast for 45 seconds.

600 HP:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jcjt0uQDbxw


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On 05 Oct 2015 02:36:11 -0300, Mike Spencer
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Ed Huntress writes:

OOohh...you have an Acadia? You mean one of the old make-and-break
engines? That must be fun.

Yeah, it is! It's a 10 HP. They were made in Bridgewater, about 13
miles from me and I was in the plant in the early 70s when they were
still making them. They had a contract from the government to make
them for government wharves -- wharves built in many small fishing
villages, owned and maintained by the feds for the local fishing
fleets. Those 10HP Acadias came equipped with a sprocket and a
chain-driven winch to haul boats out on a skidway. That ended in
the
70s and many of the engines were vandalized or stolen.

Mine is the same size but isn't one of those. It's equipped with a
flat-belt pulley. Shortly before the plant was closed, the manager
gave me a photocopy of the "manual" for my engine. I've put it on
line:

http://home.tallships.ca/mspencer/acadia/index.html


Those old beasties are pretty cool to watch running. They had lots
of
folks bring their running engines to the old Vista, CA Gas and Steam
Engine Museum during the Fair days. Ditto the Pottsville shindigs
in
Merlin, OR up here. Everyone called them "hit & miss" engines. I
got
to help a few guys get theirs running (mostly grunt work, but fun),
but never tore one down. The centrifugal governor grounded the
spark
and kept the exhaust valve open during overrev. Simple yet
effective.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXkNqjUPL_M Running engine


I timed a large one idling at a show. It would fire two or three
times, then coast for 45 seconds.

600 HP:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jcjt0uQDbxw


Bear in mind that a "hit-and-miss" engine is not the same thing as
these Canadian "make-and-break" engines. The Acadia fires on every
cycle; it doesn't idle for multiple revolutions, like a hit-and-miss.
And hit-and-miss engines were 4-strokes; the Acadia type
make-and-break is a 2-stroke.

Hit-and-miss engines could have either spark plugs or the low-voltage
"igniter" ignition, which was a pair of points that opened and created
a spark (actually, an arc, but we won't quibble). The make-and-break
always has that type of ignition, and is named for it.

As Mike says on his webpage, there were other brands, which were once
very popular for working boats in Mike's neck of the woods.

Here's one, an Atlantic, in operation on a boat:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxGw...eature=related

As you can see, it moves that boat along pretty darned well for 4 hp.
The low rpm was well matched to the low speed of those displacement
hulls, which results in efficient propellers.

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On 05 Oct 2015 02:36:11 -0300, Mike Spencer
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Ed Huntress writes:

OOohh...you have an Acadia? You mean one of the old make-and-break
engines? That must be fun.

Yeah, it is! It's a 10 HP. They were made in Bridgewater, about 13
miles from me and I was in the plant in the early 70s when they were
still making them.
[snip]
http://home.tallships.ca/mspencer/acadia/index.html


Those old beasties are pretty cool to watch running. They had lots
of folks bring their running engines to the old Vista, CA Gas and
Steam Engine Museum during the Fair days. Ditto the Pottsville
shindigs in Merlin, OR up here. Everyone called them "hit & miss"
engines.
[snip]


I timed a large one idling at a show. It would fire two or three
times, then coast for 45 seconds.


When I was a kid, I would often hear one running at some neighboring
farm -- a crew of guys cutting 4' cordwood into stove-length bolts.
The engine would idle, firing every 4 to 6 or so cycles.

sssp...sssp...sssp...foont.FOONT...sssp...sssp...s ssp...sssp

When wood was shoved into the saw, the engine would lug down a bit, it
woulld fire on every stroke. Then, as the saw cut through, the speed
would pick up and it would go back to idle but the sawblade would
ring.

sssp...foont.FOONT.FOONT.FOONT.FOONT.FOONT..foont. .BRRANNNGGGoinnnng...sssp

One of those mystical magical sounds from childhood. I can hear it
every time I look at the Acadia. (I also am reminded of the guy I met
years later who had fallen into such a saw. At the beach you could
see that he had a single ragged scar from near his ear down to one
ankle. Amazingly, all of his body parts were still attached and still
worked.)


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"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
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On 05 Oct 2015 02:36:11 -0300, Mike Spencer
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Ed Huntress writes:

OOohh...you have an Acadia? You mean one of the old make-and-break
engines? That must be fun.

Yeah, it is! It's a 10 HP. They were made in Bridgewater, about 13
miles from me and I was in the plant in the early 70s when they were
still making them.
[snip]
http://home.tallships.ca/mspencer/acadia/index.html

Those old beasties are pretty cool to watch running. They had lots
of folks bring their running engines to the old Vista, CA Gas and
Steam Engine Museum during the Fair days. Ditto the Pottsville
shindigs in Merlin, OR up here. Everyone called them "hit & miss"
engines.
[snip]


I timed a large one idling at a show. It would fire two or three
times, then coast for 45 seconds.


When I was a kid, I would often hear one running at some neighboring
farm -- a crew of guys cutting 4' cordwood into stove-length bolts.
The engine would idle, firing every 4 to 6 or so cycles.

sssp...sssp...sssp...foont.FOONT...sssp...sssp...s ssp...sssp

When wood was shoved into the saw, the engine would lug down a bit, it
woulld fire on every stroke. Then, as the saw cut through, the speed
would pick up and it would go back to idle but the sawblade would
ring.

sssp...foont.FOONT.FOONT.FOONT.FOONT.FOONT..foont ..BRRANNNGGGoinnnng...sssp

One of those mystical magical sounds from childhood. I can hear it
every time I look at the Acadia. (I also am reminded of the guy I met
years later who had fallen into such a saw. At the beach you could
see that he had a single ragged scar from near his ear down to one
ankle. Amazingly, all of his body parts were still attached and still
worked.)


The Gods were smiling on him.
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Bear in mind that a "hit-and-miss" engine is not the same thing as
these Canadian "make-and-break" engines. The Acadia fires on every
cycle; it doesn't idle for multiple revolutions, like a hit-and-miss.
And hit-and-miss engines were 4-strokes; the Acadia type
make-and-break is a 2-stroke.


You've more or less answered your own question about whether my 10 HP
stationary runs in reverse. The small marine engines were 2-stroke
but the stationary ones were four-stroke. My 10HP is 4-stroke and
doesn't run in reverse.

Hit-and-miss engines could have either spark plugs or the low-voltage
"igniter" ignition, which was a pair of points that opened and created
a spark (actually, an arc, but we won't quibble). The make-and-break
always has that type of ignition, and is named for it.


Some had a magneto. Some with a magneto used a separate spark plug
while others fired the magneto spark into a "points"-like device very
like the "igniter" to which you refer. Others had a battery and
"spark coil" which discharged as a spark/arc when the igniter points
opened instead of a mageneto.

My 10 HP Acadia had a magneto of the second type which worked when I
got it in the early 70s but had disintegrated (despite being boxed up
in a dry place) when I went to fix it up circa 2004. So I replaced
the magneto unit with an igniter from another engine and home-rolled
coil, modified the timing train with a hand-forged part and it now
runs fine again.

As Mike says on his webpage, there were other brands, which were once
very popular for working boats in Mike's neck of the woods.

Here's one, an Atlantic, in operation on a boat:


I think that's the Lunenburg Foundry brand. Still in business but the
iron foundry is long since closed. I used to get my forge firepots
there.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxGw...eature=related

As you can see, it moves that boat along pretty darned well for 4 hp.
The low rpm was well matched to the low speed of those displacement
hulls, which results in efficient propellers.


Circa 1970, I watched an old guy in a small open fishing boat come
into a local little harbour with such a single-banger engine
running. He was standing in the boat; stopped the engine, kick-started
it in reverse. Never looked up from the floor of the boat again as he
tidied some gear, collected his lunch bucket and jacket, picked up a
line while stopping the engine as he walked past, stepped up on the
bow thwart and onto the wharf without breaking his stride just as the
moving boat touched it. Whipped the line around a post and went
home. I guess he must have done that exact thing in exactly the same
boat and same place maybe 18,000 times in the past 60 years and didn't
*have* to look to see where he was going.

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Ed Huntress writes:

Bear in mind that a "hit-and-miss" engine is not the same thing as
these Canadian "make-and-break" engines. The Acadia fires on every
cycle; it doesn't idle for multiple revolutions, like a hit-and-miss.
And hit-and-miss engines were 4-strokes; the Acadia type
make-and-break is a 2-stroke.


You've more or less answered your own question about whether my 10 HP
stationary runs in reverse. The small marine engines were 2-stroke
but the stationary ones were four-stroke. My 10HP is 4-stroke and
doesn't run in reverse.

Hit-and-miss engines could have either spark plugs or the low-voltage
"igniter" ignition, which was a pair of points that opened and created
a spark (actually, an arc, but we won't quibble). The make-and-break
always has that type of ignition, and is named for it.


Some had a magneto. Some with a magneto used a separate spark plug
while others fired the magneto spark into a "points"-like device very
like the "igniter" to which you refer. Others had a battery and
"spark coil" which discharged as a spark/arc when the igniter points
opened instead of a mageneto.

My 10 HP Acadia had a magneto of the second type which worked when I
got it in the early 70s but had disintegrated (despite being boxed up
in a dry place) when I went to fix it up circa 2004. So I replaced
the magneto unit with an igniter from another engine and home-rolled
coil, modified the timing train with a hand-forged part and it now
runs fine again.


Jeez, there must be so many variations on those old engines that some
have gotten lost in history.

My old partner in the machine shop had an "oil engine" that must hve
been from the turn of the last century. Horizontal, with a big
flywheel, it was some kind of little utility engine. It ran on
kerosene, but it was spark-ignition. You had to start it with naptha
or gasoline.

Speaking of which I saw a naptha launch at a boat show many years ago.
Until I saw that one, I never would have known that a "naptha engine"
was actually a type of steam engine, with naptha for the working fluid
rather than the fuel.


As Mike says on his webpage, there were other brands, which were once
very popular for working boats in Mike's neck of the woods.

Here's one, an Atlantic, in operation on a boat:


I think that's the Lunenburg Foundry brand. Still in business but the
iron foundry is long since closed. I used to get my forge firepots
there.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxGw...eature=related

As you can see, it moves that boat along pretty darned well for 4 hp.
The low rpm was well matched to the low speed of those displacement
hulls, which results in efficient propellers.


Circa 1970, I watched an old guy in a small open fishing boat come
into a local little harbour with such a single-banger engine
running. He was standing in the boat; stopped the engine, kick-started
it in reverse. Never looked up from the floor of the boat again as he
tidied some gear, collected his lunch bucket and jacket, picked up a
line while stopping the engine as he walked past, stepped up on the
bow thwart and onto the wharf without breaking his stride just as the
moving boat touched it. Whipped the line around a post and went
home. I guess he must have done that exact thing in exactly the same
boat and same place maybe 18,000 times in the past 60 years and didn't
*have* to look to see where he was going.


Practice, practice...

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Ed Huntress writes:

OOohh...you have an Acadia? You mean one of the old make-and-break
engines? That must be fun.

Yeah, it is! It's a 10 HP. They were made in Bridgewater, about 13
miles from me and I was in the plant in the early 70s when they were
still making them. They had a contract from the government to make
them for government wharves -- wharves built in many small fishing
villages, owned and maintained by the feds for the local fishing
fleets. Those 10HP Acadias came equipped with a sprocket and a
chain-driven winch to haul boats out on a skidway. That ended in
the
70s and many of the engines were vandalized or stolen.

Mine is the same size but isn't one of those. It's equipped with a
flat-belt pulley. Shortly before the plant was closed, the manager
gave me a photocopy of the "manual" for my engine. I've put it on
line:

http://home.tallships.ca/mspencer/acadia/index.html


Those old beasties are pretty cool to watch running. They had lots
of
folks bring their running engines to the old Vista, CA Gas and Steam
Engine Museum during the Fair days. Ditto the Pottsville shindigs
in
Merlin, OR up here. Everyone called them "hit & miss" engines. I
got
to help a few guys get theirs running (mostly grunt work, but fun),
but never tore one down. The centrifugal governor grounded the
spark
and kept the exhaust valve open during overrev. Simple yet
effective.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXkNqjUPL_M Running engine


I timed a large one idling at a show. It would fire two or three
times, then coast for 45 seconds.


Yeah, with no drag on it. The big one in Vista had a 6" diameter
exhaust pipe which would blow smoke rings when it was running. I think
it was a Chicago Pneumatic 70hp with about a 7' diameter 12" thick
flywheel. It was either that or an Ideal type K. They evidently had an
influx of new Morse engines since I left.
http://agsemgasenginerow.yolasite.co...-pneumatic.php

When they had tractor shows, they'd run the old steam traction engines
with belts to do hay baling, log milling, and all sorts of things.
The locomotive-looking types would sure put off the heat! The
blacksmiths would fire up the coal and make tools and trinkets for
sale, etc. It was an all-day fun affair.


600 HP:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jcjt0uQDbxw


She's a big 'un. What's that screech, just before the slight whistle
while it runs? Sounds like an oil cup (or three) is empty somewhere.

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On 05 Oct 2015 02:36:11 -0300, Mike Spencer
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Ed Huntress writes:

OOohh...you have an Acadia? You mean one of the old make-and-break
engines? That must be fun.

Yeah, it is! It's a 10 HP. They were made in Bridgewater, about 13
miles from me and I was in the plant in the early 70s when they were
still making them.
[snip]
http://home.tallships.ca/mspencer/acadia/index.html

Those old beasties are pretty cool to watch running. They had lots
of folks bring their running engines to the old Vista, CA Gas and
Steam Engine Museum during the Fair days. Ditto the Pottsville
shindigs in Merlin, OR up here. Everyone called them "hit & miss"
engines.
[snip]


I timed a large one idling at a show. It would fire two or three
times, then coast for 45 seconds.


When I was a kid, I would often hear one running at some neighboring
farm -- a crew of guys cutting 4' cordwood into stove-length bolts.
The engine would idle, firing every 4 to 6 or so cycles.

sssp...sssp...sssp...foont.FOONT...sssp...sssp...s ssp...sssp

When wood was shoved into the saw, the engine would lug down a bit, it
woulld fire on every stroke. Then, as the saw cut through, the speed
would pick up and it would go back to idle but the sawblade would
ring.

sssp...foont.FOONT.FOONT.FOONT.FOONT.FOONT..foont ..BRRANNNGGGoinnnng...sssp

One of those mystical magical sounds from childhood. I can hear it
every time I look at the Acadia. (I also am reminded of the guy I met
years later who had fallen into such a saw. At the beach you could
see that he had a single ragged scar from near his ear down to one
ankle. Amazingly, all of his body parts were still attached and still
worked.)


Yes, memories of the sounds and smells of our childhood wonder years
are truly wonderful.

Those smoke rings sure gave me a kick.

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Ed Huntress writes:

Bear in mind that a "hit-and-miss" engine is not the same thing as
these Canadian "make-and-break" engines. The Acadia fires on every
cycle; it doesn't idle for multiple revolutions, like a hit-and-miss.
And hit-and-miss engines were 4-strokes; the Acadia type
make-and-break is a 2-stroke.


You've more or less answered your own question about whether my 10 HP
stationary runs in reverse. The small marine engines were 2-stroke
but the stationary ones were four-stroke. My 10HP is 4-stroke and
doesn't run in reverse.

Hit-and-miss engines could have either spark plugs or the low-voltage
"igniter" ignition, which was a pair of points that opened and created
a spark (actually, an arc, but we won't quibble). The make-and-break
always has that type of ignition, and is named for it.


Some had a magneto. Some with a magneto used a separate spark plug
while others fired the magneto spark into a "points"-like device very
like the "igniter" to which you refer. Others had a battery and
"spark coil" which discharged as a spark/arc when the igniter points
opened instead of a mageneto.


I've seen one magneto engine to every 50+ mechanical type. They were
very rare in LoCal and here in Oregon, from what I've seen. Maybe more
of the magnetos were damaged with age, or stolen for copper wire? Then
again, I'm on the Left Coast, far away from Acadia's home.


My 10 HP Acadia had a magneto of the second type which worked when I
got it in the early 70s but had disintegrated (despite being boxed up
in a dry place) when I went to fix it up circa 2004. So I replaced
the magneto unit with an igniter from another engine and home-rolled
coil, modified the timing train with a hand-forged part and it now
runs fine again.


Oh, you answered my question/thoughts. g


As Mike says on his webpage, there were other brands, which were once
very popular for working boats in Mike's neck of the woods.

Here's one, an Atlantic, in operation on a boat:


I think that's the Lunenburg Foundry brand. Still in business but the
iron foundry is long since closed. I used to get my forge firepots
there.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxGw...eature=related

As you can see, it moves that boat along pretty darned well for 4 hp.
The low rpm was well matched to the low speed of those displacement
hulls, which results in efficient propellers.


4hp, 670 ft/lb of torque. very big grin
I wonder what horsepower that little steam engine in the African Queen
put out...


Circa 1970, I watched an old guy in a small open fishing boat come
into a local little harbour with such a single-banger engine
running. He was standing in the boat; stopped the engine, kick-started
it in reverse. Never looked up from the floor of the boat again as he
tidied some gear, collected his lunch bucket and jacket, picked up a
line while stopping the engine as he walked past, stepped up on the
bow thwart and onto the wharf without breaking his stride just as the
moving boat touched it. Whipped the line around a post and went
home. I guess he must have done that exact thing in exactly the same
boat and same place maybe 18,000 times in the past 60 years and didn't
*have* to look to see where he was going.


Talk about exotic habits. Har!

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As Mike says on his webpage, there were other brands, which were once
very popular for working boats in Mike's neck of the woods.

Here's one, an Atlantic, in operation on a boat:


I think that's the Lunenburg Foundry brand. Still in business but the
iron foundry is long since closed. I used to get my forge firepots
there.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxGw...eature=related


NICE engine!


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On 05 Oct 2015 21:31:24 -0300, Mike Spencer
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As Mike says on his webpage, there were other brands, which were once
very popular for working boats in Mike's neck of the woods.

Here's one, an Atlantic, in operation on a boat:


I think that's the Lunenburg Foundry brand. Still in business but the
iron foundry is long since closed. I used to get my forge firepots
there.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxGw...eature=related


NICE engine!


There are numerous Atlantic single-banger marine engines lying around
in junk piles and back yards here. The problem with all of them is that
the cast iron water jacket, integral with the head and cylinder, on
all of them is burst, I suppose from feezing when full of water. Other
parts typically in good order. I have one myself. I've sometimes
wondered if I could backtrack that spam I get from Chinese foundries
and get a bunch of them cast. Wouldn't sell like hotcakes but I bet I
could unload a couple of dozen at a profit. But I suspect that
quality control would be a problem I won't live long enough to sort
out. :-)

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