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Default How many privately owned guns in USA?

On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 20:52:00 -0400, "Jim Wilkins"
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"Ed Huntress" wrote in message
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On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 18:36:32 -0400, "Jim Wilkins"
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On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 13:06:22 -0700, Rudy Canoza
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On 7/22/2015 12:50 PM, Just Wondering wrote:
On 7/22/2015 1:38 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
On 7/22/2015 12:24 PM, Just Wondering wrote:
On 7/22/2015 8:57 AM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
On 7/22/2015 7:48 AM, RD Sandman wrote:
Ed Huntress wrote in
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On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 01:38:26 +0000 (UTC), One Party System
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Rudy Canoza wrote in
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Yes, we do know for sure. We know that the percentage of
households
that own guns is under 40% and falling.


I call bull****. Cite your source.

Gallup has tracked it for decades:

http://www.gallup.com/poll/1645/guns.aspx


Yes, and from 1950 to 2014, it has only gone down to 42%
from
49% not
really much of a drop since the population has increased by
a
couple
million over that period of time.

That's households, not population. A seven percentage point
drop is
huge. If the number of households had remained constant, it
would mean
a 14.2% drop in the number of households that have guns.

Additionally, I agree with some of the
other posters in here that if they get a cold call from
someone
claiming
to represent a survey.....Guns? I ain't got no stinkin'
guns!"

You're still missing the point. There is no valid reason to
think the
percentage of people who would lie in response to the
question
would
change over time.

Sure there is.

No, there isn't. No valid reason to think it, and no evidence
for it.

It simply is unreasonable to conclude that the drop
in reported gun ownership is due to a higher percentage of
people lying
and saying there are no guns in the household when they
actually have
guns.

It's perfectly reasonable, in light of changing government
attitudes
toward private gun ownership and gun control.

It's not at all reasonable,

If you had a marijuana stash in your house,

Marijuana is illegal. Guns per se are not.

and there's *zero* evidence to support the conclusion.

You have several people on this newsgroup who flat out say they
wouldn't
tell a cold-calling stranger about their guns. That's some
evidence
right here.

There is *zero* evidence to support a belief that that percentage
would
change over time. The claim by the gun wingnuts about why the
percentage of households reporting gun ownership has fallen is
that
a
greater percentage of people are giving false answers now than in
the
past. There is no evidence for that.

Here's something to chew on, from the WSJ:

"As for the honesty of gun owners in surveys, Smith pointed to a
2001
experiment he conducted among nearly 800 holders of
concealed-carry
permits in five states. These holders were added to the survey, to
see
if they would respond honestly about their gun ownership. And 94%
did.
"I did not expect the level of admitting [to having guns] to be so
high," Smith said."

http://blogs.wsj.com/numbers/guns-pr...onundrum-1223/

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Ed Huntress

The government already knows the CCW holders have guns.


That wasn't the government doing the test. But keep reaching, you
may
find shore eventually. g

--
Ed Huntress


When trapped you always preemptively accuse your opponent of your own
failings.


The government didn't do the test.

CCW holders have already registered with the authorities, so
they know that the list of them a researcher might turn in is
redundant.


Then why do you bring it up?

A government willing to abrogate their civil rights could
as easily declare them guilty of gun possession until proven innocent.


Hey, Lightnin', it was the government that issued the CCWs. So now you
think they're going to confiscate the guns because they issued the
CCWs to find out who had them??

That's a pretty acute case of paranoia.


We do have a precedent:
http://www.drugpolicy.org/blog/civil...roven-innocent


Pffhhht. Asset forfeiture laws are too clumsy and messy for what
you're talking about. If they wanted to bait people by issuing CCWs
and then use them to confiscate guns, they'd just pass a
straightforward gun ban and confiscation law. Then they wouldn't have
to provide evidence for each case of terrorism, or drug dealing, or
RICO violation.

Tyrants have more direct methods. I'll bet that Gunner's Cullers, for
example, could solve that problem in a minute, and have the guns all
confiscated within a week.

d8-)

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Ed Huntress
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