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How many privately owned guns in USA?
On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 20:52:00 -0400, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote: "Ed Huntress" wrote in message .. . On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 18:36:32 -0400, "Jim Wilkins" wrote: "Ed Huntress" wrote in message ... On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 13:06:22 -0700, Rudy Canoza wrote: On 7/22/2015 12:50 PM, Just Wondering wrote: On 7/22/2015 1:38 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote: On 7/22/2015 12:24 PM, Just Wondering wrote: On 7/22/2015 8:57 AM, Rudy Canoza wrote: On 7/22/2015 7:48 AM, RD Sandman wrote: Ed Huntress wrote in : On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 01:38:26 +0000 (UTC), One Party System wrote: Rudy Canoza wrote in news:momlka$qi2$3@dont- email.me: Yes, we do know for sure. We know that the percentage of households that own guns is under 40% and falling. I call bull****. Cite your source. Gallup has tracked it for decades: http://www.gallup.com/poll/1645/guns.aspx Yes, and from 1950 to 2014, it has only gone down to 42% from 49% not really much of a drop since the population has increased by a couple million over that period of time. That's households, not population. A seven percentage point drop is huge. If the number of households had remained constant, it would mean a 14.2% drop in the number of households that have guns. Additionally, I agree with some of the other posters in here that if they get a cold call from someone claiming to represent a survey.....Guns? I ain't got no stinkin' guns!" You're still missing the point. There is no valid reason to think the percentage of people who would lie in response to the question would change over time. Sure there is. No, there isn't. No valid reason to think it, and no evidence for it. It simply is unreasonable to conclude that the drop in reported gun ownership is due to a higher percentage of people lying and saying there are no guns in the household when they actually have guns. It's perfectly reasonable, in light of changing government attitudes toward private gun ownership and gun control. It's not at all reasonable, If you had a marijuana stash in your house, Marijuana is illegal. Guns per se are not. and there's *zero* evidence to support the conclusion. You have several people on this newsgroup who flat out say they wouldn't tell a cold-calling stranger about their guns. That's some evidence right here. There is *zero* evidence to support a belief that that percentage would change over time. The claim by the gun wingnuts about why the percentage of households reporting gun ownership has fallen is that a greater percentage of people are giving false answers now than in the past. There is no evidence for that. Here's something to chew on, from the WSJ: "As for the honesty of gun owners in surveys, Smith pointed to a 2001 experiment he conducted among nearly 800 holders of concealed-carry permits in five states. These holders were added to the survey, to see if they would respond honestly about their gun ownership. And 94% did. "I did not expect the level of admitting [to having guns] to be so high," Smith said." http://blogs.wsj.com/numbers/guns-pr...onundrum-1223/ -- Ed Huntress The government already knows the CCW holders have guns. That wasn't the government doing the test. But keep reaching, you may find shore eventually. g -- Ed Huntress When trapped you always preemptively accuse your opponent of your own failings. The government didn't do the test. CCW holders have already registered with the authorities, so they know that the list of them a researcher might turn in is redundant. Then why do you bring it up? A government willing to abrogate their civil rights could as easily declare them guilty of gun possession until proven innocent. Hey, Lightnin', it was the government that issued the CCWs. So now you think they're going to confiscate the guns because they issued the CCWs to find out who had them?? That's a pretty acute case of paranoia. We do have a precedent: http://www.drugpolicy.org/blog/civil...roven-innocent Pffhhht. Asset forfeiture laws are too clumsy and messy for what you're talking about. If they wanted to bait people by issuing CCWs and then use them to confiscate guns, they'd just pass a straightforward gun ban and confiscation law. Then they wouldn't have to provide evidence for each case of terrorism, or drug dealing, or RICO violation. Tyrants have more direct methods. I'll bet that Gunner's Cullers, for example, could solve that problem in a minute, and have the guns all confiscated within a week. d8-) -- Ed Huntress |
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