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"Jim Wilkins" on Sun, 14 Jun 2015 07:56:37
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This is what happens when socialist radicals break down the old
order
so they can build a new one. They open the door for their opponents
to do the same.
-G. Zinoviev


There was a story told, of the Zek (Soviet Slang for prisoner)
talking with the guard. (After a few years, you get to know each
other.) And the guard asks him what he did, and the Zek says "I did
nothing! Nothing I tell you." And the guard then asks, "So what
did
you get?" And the Zek says "a twenty fiver." The guard replies
"You
lie! you don't get 25 for nothing, For nothing you get at most a
tenner!"

The problem I see coming, are those who are on the margins, deep
in the "80% who ask 'what happened?'", who are going to get caught
up
in the "rectification". E.g., the small business owners in
Ferguson.
Or Baltimore. Or wherever the Al Sharpton anti-truth race bating
spectacle goes next.
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On Sun, 14 Jun 2015 08:31:06 -0400, "Jim Wilkins"
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On Sat, 13 Jun 2015 18:54:46 -0400, "Jim Wilkins"
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As the progressives work hard to make the police ineffectual, who
will protect them from the rednecks?
pyotr filipivich

There's always been an element of the Left that promotes anarchy,
until they succeed and experience it.


You mean like the Bolsheviks in Russia?
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The Bolsheviks believed totalitarian authority was a necessary
intermediate step, as did Marx.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dictat...he_proletariat


Exactly. One might say that they "promotes anarchy,
until they succeed and experience it."

And were, apparently, perfectly happy with it :-)


Mensheviks believed that a peaceful transition was possible.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mensheviks
"The Mensheviks came to argue for predominantly legal methods and
trade union work, while the Bolsheviks favoured armed violence."

Anarchists like Bakunin rejected both
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikhail_Bakunin

I learned all this in Modern European History back in high school.


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"Jim Wilkins" on Sun, 14 Jun 2015 07:56:37
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This is what happens when socialist radicals break down the old order
so they can build a new one. They open the door for their opponents
to do the same.
-G. Zinoviev


There was a story told, of the Zek (Soviet Slang for prisoner)
talking with the guard. (After a few years, you get to know each
other.) And the guard asks him what he did, and the Zek says "I did
nothing! Nothing I tell you." And the guard then asks, "So what
did you get?" And the Zek says "a twenty fiver." The guard replies
"You lie! you don't get 25 for nothing, For nothing you get at most a
tenner!"

The problem I see coming, are those who are on the margins, deep
in the "80% who ask 'what happened?'", who are going to get caught up
in the "rectification". E.g., the small business owners in Ferguson.
Or Baltimore. Or wherever the Al Sharpton anti-truth race bating
spectacle goes next.
--
pyotr filipivich


The hoi polloi will flock to the first Mussolini who promises
salvation.


As we used to snark, "What color white horse do we want the Hero
mounted upon to ride to our rescue?"
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