On Sat, 06 Jun 2015 23:07:52 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Sat, 06 Jun 2015 22:17:51 -0500, Ignoramus26399
wrote:


The nuke dirty bomb kills all in a region - all plants - for millions of
years and people if they come into the area.

This completely untrue. Even near Chernobyl, where a giant reactor
exploded, the nature is flourishing.

After 30 yrs..and the areas are STILL hot.

Given that many half-lives are measured in hundreds and thousands of
years, yeah, that's PFTC. Flora and Fauna come back quickly, but some
of the area is still so hot, a single bite of food grown in that
ground will kill you within days. But they didn't get the killoff of
people they thought would happen from cancers over the years, either.
Most of the people died from initial cleanup, and the gov't knew they
would but didn't tell them. A large percentage of those people
probably would have gone in anyway, though. Good, patriotic men, like
our firefighters, who willingly give their lives for the safety of
others. I salute them.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chernobyl_disaster

Read fully and reread the Effects section.

http://rt.com/news/155072-chernobyl-images-now-then/

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...tastrophe.html

http://villageofjoy.com/chernobyl-to...d-in-pictures/

http://www.slate.com/articles/health...lants_and.html


http://www.kiddofspeed.com/ _Really_ interesting story of a girl on a
motorcycle, riding through the hot zones around Chernobyl.

--
Worry is a misuse of imagination.
-- Dan Zadra

On 2015-06-07, Larry Jaques wrote:
On Sat, 06 Jun 2015 23:07:52 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Sat, 06 Jun 2015 22:17:51 -0500, Ignoramus26399
wrote:


The nuke dirty bomb kills all in a region - all plants - for millions of
years and people if they come into the area.

This completely untrue. Even near Chernobyl, where a giant reactor
exploded, the nature is flourishing.

After 30 yrs..and the areas are STILL hot.

Given that many half-lives are measured in hundreds and thousands of
years, yeah, that's PFTC. Flora and Fauna come back quickly, but some
of the area is still so hot, a single bite of food grown in that
ground will kill you within days.

Then why Flora and Fauna are there? It does not make sense.

But they didn't get the killoff of
people they thought would happen from cancers over the years, either.
Most of the people died from initial cleanup, and the gov't knew they
would but didn't tell them. A large percentage of those people
probably would have gone in anyway, though. Good, patriotic men, like
our firefighters, who willingly give their lives for the safety of
others. I salute them.

Chernobyl was a monumental event, an enormous reactor exploding. And
even then, human losses were quite limited.

A terrorist dirty bomb would be a small device. See the difference?

Chernobyl and terrorist dirty bomb compare like a barrel full of ****,
versus a single juicy fart.

i

On Sun, 07 Jun 2015 11:28:01 -0500, Ignoramus25277
wrote:


This completely untrue. Even near Chernobyl, where a giant reactor
exploded, the nature is flourishing.

After 30 yrs..and the areas are STILL hot.

Given that many half-lives are measured in hundreds and thousands of
years, yeah, that's PFTC. Flora and Fauna come back quickly, but some
of the area is still so hot, a single bite of food grown in that
ground will kill you within days.

Then why Flora and Fauna are there? It does not make sense.

Iggy...you dont know much about radiation and its effects do you?

It has different effects on different organisims. Plants may or may
not mutate, critters may or may not mutate...

Generally if the mutations are extreme..the young are born so deformed
they dont live past a few hours/days, Flora being on a different part
of the food chain...do the same.

The studies that have been done as a result of Chernoblyle have shown
some interesting results. Depending on the dose, dose/time and types
of radiation sources..."we" can live through far more exposure than
was originally thought. The LD50 comes with a bunch of caviats.

But they didn't get the killoff of
people they thought would happen from cancers over the years, either.
Most of the people died from initial cleanup, and the gov't knew they
would but didn't tell them. A large percentage of those people
probably would have gone in anyway, though. Good, patriotic men, like
our firefighters, who willingly give their lives for the safety of
others. I salute them.

Chernobyl was a monumental event, an enormous reactor exploding. And
even then, human losses were quite limited.

Human losses..oh...immediate deaths within 2 yrs..less than 100 IRRC.
Long term deaths...20k-60k so far.

A terrorist dirty bomb would be a small device. See the difference?

Chernobyl and terrorist dirty bomb compare like a barrel full of ****,
versus a single juicy fart.

Depends on the composition and the delivery system. But
pyschologically...it will certainly leave its mark on the people of th
e target area. Its a terror weapon, nothing more, nothing less.

Invisible, colorless, tasteless, smellless...it grows with the
telling. Which is why I keep a set of geiger counters on standby and
have for 30 yrs

Gunner


i

On 2015-06-07, Gunner Asch wrote:
Depends on the composition and the delivery system. But
pyschologically...it will certainly leave its mark on the people of th
e target area. Its a terror weapon, nothing more, nothing less.

It is not the same, but has some similarities to, say, a hypothetical
threat from me to put a "curse" on you. It is only a threat, if you
think that the "curse" would actually damage you.

Same with "dirty bomb". If it was not feared so much, no one would
want to smuggle detectable, dangerous, radioactive substances that
require enormous shielding, and yet are only bound to take a few
actual lives, at most.

Invisible, colorless, tasteless, smellless...it grows with the
telling. Which is why I keep a set of geiger counters on standby and
have for 30 yrs

I have a CDV-700 and a few hot samples (uranium ore rocks). It is
awesome. It detects radiation in ambient air, granite, etc.

i

On Sun, 07 Jun 2015 11:28:01 -0500, Ignoramus25277
wrote:

On 2015-06-07, Larry Jaques wrote:
On Sat, 06 Jun 2015 23:07:52 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Sat, 06 Jun 2015 22:17:51 -0500, Ignoramus26399
wrote:


The nuke dirty bomb kills all in a region - all plants - for millions of
years and people if they come into the area.

This completely untrue. Even near Chernobyl, where a giant reactor
exploded, the nature is flourishing.

After 30 yrs..and the areas are STILL hot.

Given that many half-lives are measured in hundreds and thousands of
years, yeah, that's PFTC. Flora and Fauna come back quickly, but some
of the area is still so hot, a single bite of food grown in that
ground will kill you within days.

Then why Flora and Fauna are there? It does not make sense.

But they didn't get the killoff of
people they thought would happen from cancers over the years, either.
Most of the people died from initial cleanup, and the gov't knew they
would but didn't tell them. A large percentage of those people
probably would have gone in anyway, though. Good, patriotic men, like
our firefighters, who willingly give their lives for the safety of
others. I salute them.

Chernobyl was a monumental event, an enormous reactor exploding. And
even then, human losses were quite limited.

A terrorist dirty bomb would be a small device. See the difference?

Chernobyl and terrorist dirty bomb compare like a barrel full of ****,
versus a single juicy fart.

Why bring up 'dirty bomb' again? The thread morphed away from that
days and days ago. g

But, yeah, I catch your drift.

--
Worry is a misuse of imagination.
-- Dan Zadra

On Sun, 07 Jun 2015 11:28:01 -0500, Ignoramus25277
wrote:

On 2015-06-07, Larry Jaques wrote:
On Sat, 06 Jun 2015 23:07:52 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Sat, 06 Jun 2015 22:17:51 -0500, Ignoramus26399
wrote:


The nuke dirty bomb kills all in a region - all plants - for millions of
years and people if they come into the area.

This completely untrue. Even near Chernobyl, where a giant reactor
exploded, the nature is flourishing.

After 30 yrs..and the areas are STILL hot.

Given that many half-lives are measured in hundreds and thousands of
years, yeah, that's PFTC. Flora and Fauna come back quickly, but some
of the area is still so hot, a single bite of food grown in that
ground will kill you within days.

Then why Flora and Fauna are there? It does not make sense.

Some can take more rads than humans, but if we eat those animals,
we'll die.

If we can trust the people writing books about the area, the animals
can sense radioactivity and they stay away from tainted plants.

--
Worry is a misuse of imagination.
-- Dan Zadra

On Sun, 07 Jun 2015 15:23:07 -0500, Ignoramus25277
wrote:

On 2015-06-07, Gunner Asch wrote:
Depends on the composition and the delivery system. But
pyschologically...it will certainly leave its mark on the people of th
e target area. Its a terror weapon, nothing more, nothing less.

It is not the same, but has some similarities to, say, a hypothetical
threat from me to put a "curse" on you. It is only a threat, if you
think that the "curse" would actually damage you.

Same with "dirty bomb". If it was not feared so much, no one would
want to smuggle detectable, dangerous, radioactive substances that
require enormous shielding, and yet are only bound to take a few
actual lives, at most.

Actually..its more of an "area denial weapon". If properly used..it
will force thousands..hundreds of thousands of people out of an area
for an extended period of time.

Give you an example:

Blow up a dirty bomb at the top of a building east of say..Wall Street
or someplace similar on a day with a nice thermal inversion and a
slight breeze. It will cast radioactive dust for miles...on
buildings, on roadways, on sidewalks etc etc.
Depending on the radioactives used..it could make those places very
deadly to be in or around.

The government will force..force you to leave any
buildings/homes/sites within the range of the dust.."for your safety"

If you want to simply kill a large number of people..you use Chemical
or Biological weapons or a simple nuke..not a dirty bomb. But a
dirty bomb will clear a large area for a very long time and cost
billions to clean up.


Invisible, colorless, tasteless, smellless...it grows with the
telling. Which is why I keep a set of geiger counters on standby and
have for 30 yrs

I have a CDV-700 and a few hot samples (uranium ore rocks). It is
awesome. It detects radiation in ambient air, granite, etc.

i
Keep extra batteries on hand.

Gunner

We have drugs smuggled in all of the time. Get real.
It might come across the lake or across the river or up a river.

Martin

On 6/7/2015 3:23 PM, Ignoramus25277 wrote:
On 2015-06-07, Gunner Asch wrote:
Depends on the composition and the delivery system. But
pyschologically...it will certainly leave its mark on the people of th
e target area. Its a terror weapon, nothing more, nothing less.

It is not the same, but has some similarities to, say, a hypothetical
threat from me to put a "curse" on you. It is only a threat, if you
think that the "curse" would actually damage you.

Same with "dirty bomb". If it was not feared so much, no one would
want to smuggle detectable, dangerous, radioactive substances that
require enormous shielding, and yet are only bound to take a few
actual lives, at most.

Invisible, colorless, tasteless, smellless...it grows with the
telling. Which is why I keep a set of geiger counters on standby and
have for 30 yrs

I have a CDV-700 and a few hot samples (uranium ore rocks). It is
awesome. It detects radiation in ambient air, granite, etc.

i