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Dennis Hasters and "over-criminalization"
Great article here.
https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2...ion-pathology/ Pretty much anyone who does not solely have a 9-5 job, can be prosecuted for all kinds of odd "crimes" that a big fraction of people are inadvertently committing. i |
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Dennis Hasters and "over-criminalization"
On Sat, 30 May 2015 15:15:03 -0500, Ignoramus4936 wrote:
Great article here. https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2...astert-highly- unsympathetic-face-americas-criminalization-pathology/ Pretty much anyone who does not solely have a 9-5 job, can be prosecuted for all kinds of odd "crimes" that a big fraction of people are inadvertently committing. And, as the article points out, he's getting indited, in part, for laws that he got paid a lot of money to support. So it's not like he can bitch about it too loudly. -- www.wescottdesign.com |
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Dennis Hasters and "over-criminalization"
On 2015-05-30, Tim Wescott wrote:
On Sat, 30 May 2015 15:15:03 -0500, Ignoramus4936 wrote: Great article here. https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2...astert-highly- unsympathetic-face-americas-criminalization-pathology/ Pretty much anyone who does not solely have a 9-5 job, can be prosecuted for all kinds of odd "crimes" that a big fraction of people are inadvertently committing. And, as the article points out, he's getting indited, in part, for laws that he got paid a lot of money to support. So it's not like he can bitch about it too loudly. Here's how I understand this. I have never structured transactions. I know what structuring is (anyone in business should know this) and I never get even close to structuring anything and generally do not deal with cash much. However, a long time ago I tried withdrawing over 10,000 and I got all kinds of hassle with that, stupid questions from the bankers, warnings about how my money could be stolen (like it could not be stolen from the bank) etc. It was a very unpleasant experience being hassled for what was not their business. So, if I had a regular need to withdraw money, like to pass it to my heirs under the table, I would be sorely tempted to deal in quantities less than 10,000 and have the bank file SARs (suspicious activity reports) on me on every transaction, just to avoid the inane hassles. It is common knowledge, and I am sure Hastert knew this too, that banks are under the government's boot and that they file SARs on activities starting from far below the CTR limit of $10,000. So Hastert, definitely, knew that SARs were being filed on him. If so, then how can we call that "structuring" in "attempt to avoid CTRs being filed" when he was surely aware that the bank filed SARs and the govt was informed what he was doing, he just did not care. This "structuring" has become a completely retarded concept when applied to people who know that SARs are filed. A very stretchy law that can be applied to a lot of situations. i |
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Dennis Hasters and "over-criminalization"
On Saturday, May 30, 2015 at 5:39:33 PM UTC-4, Ignoramus4936 wrote:
A very stretchy law that can be applied to a lot of situations. i I can almost see requiring the banks to report suspicious transactions, but as far as I am concerned you ought to be able to withdraw any amount you want and as often as you want. Dan |
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Dennis Hasters and "over-criminalization"
On 2015-05-30, wrote:
On Saturday, May 30, 2015 at 5:39:33 PM UTC-4, Ignoramus4936 wrote: A very stretchy law that can be applied to a lot of situations. i I can almost see requiring the banks to report suspicious transactions, but as far as I am concerned you ought to be able to withdraw any amount you want and as often as you want. I suggest that you read this and only then form your opinion. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Structuring i |
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Dennis Hasters and "over-criminalization"
"Ignoramus4936" wrote in message ... It is common knowledge, and I am sure Hastert knew this too, that banks are under the government's boot and that they file SARs on activities starting from far below the CTR limit of $10,000. i Hastert may be suffering from senility or dementia. Hastert could have very easily hired a lawyer to structure a settlement which would have included a confidentiality clause and non disclosure agreement. Pay the money with a check and it all would have been perfectly legal. Best Regards Tom. |
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Dennis Hasters and "over-criminalization"
On 2015-05-30, Howard Beal wrote:
"Ignoramus4936" wrote in message ... It is common knowledge, and I am sure Hastert knew this too, that banks are under the government's boot and that they file SARs on activities starting from far below the CTR limit of $10,000. i Hastert may be suffering from senility or dementia. Hastert could have very easily hired a lawyer to structure a settlement which would have included a confidentiality clause and non disclosure agreement. Pay the money with a check and it all would have been perfectly legal. If I was in Hastert's place, I would just disclose the sordid past episode (as a fact, or as an accusation under dispute) and refuse to pay. A gay pedophile "pro-family" Republican is hardly news these days, and the story would be forgotten in a month or two with barely any consequence. Maybe he would lose some business, but who cares, it is better than being blackmailed. i |
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Dennis Hasters and "over-criminalization"
"Ignoramus4936" wrote in message ... If I was in Hastert's place, I would just disclose the sordid past episode (as a fact, or as an accusation under dispute) and refuse to pay. A gay pedophile "pro-family" Republican is hardly news these days, and the story would be forgotten in a month or two with barely any consequence. Maybe he would lose some business, but who cares, it is better than being blackmailed. i We don't have all the facts. Perhaps Hastert is still an active pedophile which is why he paid hush money. Expect more alligations and lawsuits from people claiming to have been abused by Hastert. Evidence aquired in a civil lawsuit can be used in a future criminal prosecution. I believe illinios extended thier statute of limitations for sex abuse to 20 years in 2014. Best Regards Tom. |
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Dennis Hasters and "over-criminalization"
On Saturday, May 30, 2015 at 6:30:41 PM UTC-4, Ignoramus4936 wrote:
I suggest that you read this and only then form your opinion. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Structuring i I did read it, and still have the same opinion. It is similar to a law that says if you commit a crime , you have to report it to the police. Ie, self incrimination. The Constitution grants this right quite simply: "[No person]...shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself..." However, as with most other constitutional rights, it is subject to interpretation by the courts and often inspires fierce debate. - See more at: http://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal....VBa3VlnQ.dpuf Dan |
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Dennis Hasters and "over-criminalization"
On Sat, 30 May 2015 15:15:03 -0500, Ignoramus4936
wrote: Great article here. https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2...ion-pathology/ Pretty much anyone who does not solely have a 9-5 job, can be prosecuted for all kinds of odd "crimes" that a big fraction of people are inadvertently committing. And I still say that random drug/alcohol/STD tests for all gov't workers would clear up many of the problems within a year. (zero tolerance on the drugs and STDs, legal limit on the alky) -- It takes as much energy to wish as to plan. --Eleanor Roosevelt |
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