http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/denni...ry?id=31376076

Without knowing much detail, I find this article to be deeply
disturbing.

It seems that the crime that Dennis Hastert is accused of, is being a
victim of a successful blackmailer, and "structuring" his cash
withdrawals that he made to pay off and appease the blackmailer.

Added to that is "lying to investigators", which seems like a garden
variety retort that he "kept the money for himself".

Is that really the kind of criminal behavior that endangers our
society? What else is going on, is he falling victim to powerful
enemies?

I read some other stories recently, where "Muslim extremists" are
similarly pursued by the FBI and put in prison for some ridiculous
"crimes" like lying to the FBI. OK, in that case at least these
"extremists" are sworn and overt enemies of the USA, so I wrote that
off as a new normal.

But what about Dennis Hastert?

i

Ignoramus17447 wrote:
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/denni...ry?id=31376076

Without knowing much detail, I find this article to be deeply
disturbing.

It seems that the crime that Dennis Hastert is accused of, is being a
victim of a successful blackmailer, and "structuring" his cash
withdrawals that he made to pay off and appease the blackmailer.

Added to that is "lying to investigators", which seems like a garden
variety retort that he "kept the money for himself".

Is that really the kind of criminal behavior that endangers our
society? What else is going on, is he falling victim to powerful
enemies?

I read some other stories recently, where "Muslim extremists" are
similarly pursued by the FBI and put in prison for some ridiculous
"crimes" like lying to the FBI. OK, in that case at least these
"extremists" are sworn and overt enemies of the USA, so I wrote that
off as a new normal.

But what about Dennis Hastert?

i

Sounds to me like it's politically motivated - he's a republican in Illinois
.... not that I'm condoning what he did , but are they going after the
extorter too ? If not , why not ?

--
Snag

"Ignoramus17447" wrote in message
...
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/denni...ry?id=31376076

Without knowing much detail, I find this article to be deeply
disturbing.

It seems that the crime that Dennis Hastert is accused of, is being a
victim of a successful blackmailer, and "structuring" his cash
withdrawals that he made to pay off and appease the blackmailer.

Added to that is "lying to investigators", which seems like a garden
variety retort that he "kept the money for himself".

Is that really the kind of criminal behavior that endangers our
society? What else is going on, is he falling victim to powerful
enemies?

I read some other stories recently, where "Muslim extremists" are
similarly pursued by the FBI and put in prison for some ridiculous
"crimes" like lying to the FBI. OK, in that case at least these
"extremists" are sworn and overt enemies of the USA, so I wrote that
off as a new normal.

But what about Dennis Hastert?

i

If you use your right to remain silent you can not be charged with
lying to the government. Everything you say to any LEO will be
used against you. Save your explainations for the court room.

Best Regards
Tom.

On 2015-05-29, Howard Beal wrote:

"Ignoramus17447" wrote in message
...
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/denni...ry?id=31376076

Without knowing much detail, I find this article to be deeply
disturbing.

It seems that the crime that Dennis Hastert is accused of, is being a
victim of a successful blackmailer, and "structuring" his cash
withdrawals that he made to pay off and appease the blackmailer.

Added to that is "lying to investigators", which seems like a garden
variety retort that he "kept the money for himself".

Is that really the kind of criminal behavior that endangers our
society? What else is going on, is he falling victim to powerful
enemies?

I read some other stories recently, where "Muslim extremists" are
similarly pursued by the FBI and put in prison for some ridiculous
"crimes" like lying to the FBI. OK, in that case at least these
"extremists" are sworn and overt enemies of the USA, so I wrote that
off as a new normal.

But what about Dennis Hastert?

i

If you use your right to remain silent you can not be charged with
lying to the government. Everything you say to any LEO will be
used against you. Save your explainations for the court room.


You are right, but it is easier said than done.

i

"Ignoramus17447" wrote in message
...
On 2015-05-29, Howard Beal wrote:

"Ignoramus17447" wrote in message
...
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/denni...ry?id=31376076

Without knowing much detail, I find this article to be deeply
disturbing.

It seems that the crime that Dennis Hastert is accused of, is being a
victim of a successful blackmailer, and "structuring" his cash
withdrawals that he made to pay off and appease the blackmailer.

Added to that is "lying to investigators", which seems like a garden
variety retort that he "kept the money for himself".

Is that really the kind of criminal behavior that endangers our
society? What else is going on, is he falling victim to powerful
enemies?

I read some other stories recently, where "Muslim extremists" are
similarly pursued by the FBI and put in prison for some ridiculous
"crimes" like lying to the FBI. OK, in that case at least these
"extremists" are sworn and overt enemies of the USA, so I wrote that
off as a new normal.

But what about Dennis Hastert?

i

If you use your right to remain silent you can not be charged with
lying to the government. Everything you say to any LEO will be
used against you. Save your explainations for the court room.


You are right, but it is easier said than done.

i

Indeed, the urge to vindicate oneself is difficult to overcome. You
have to remember you are dealing with trained interrogators that
want to extract information to trap you. Did you know that the
LEO's are under no legal obligation to be truthfull with suspects or
persons of interest. Our legal system has become very skewed
in favor of the prosecutor.

Best Regards
Tom.

On 2015-05-29, Howard Beal wrote:

"Ignoramus17447" wrote in message
...
On 2015-05-29, Howard Beal wrote:

"Ignoramus17447" wrote in message
...
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/denni...ry?id=31376076

Without knowing much detail, I find this article to be deeply
disturbing.

It seems that the crime that Dennis Hastert is accused of, is being a
victim of a successful blackmailer, and "structuring" his cash
withdrawals that he made to pay off and appease the blackmailer.

Added to that is "lying to investigators", which seems like a garden
variety retort that he "kept the money for himself".

Is that really the kind of criminal behavior that endangers our
society? What else is going on, is he falling victim to powerful
enemies?

I read some other stories recently, where "Muslim extremists" are
similarly pursued by the FBI and put in prison for some ridiculous
"crimes" like lying to the FBI. OK, in that case at least these
"extremists" are sworn and overt enemies of the USA, so I wrote that
off as a new normal.

But what about Dennis Hastert?

i

If you use your right to remain silent you can not be charged with
lying to the government. Everything you say to any LEO will be
used against you. Save your explainations for the court room.


You are right, but it is easier said than done.

i

Indeed, the urge to vindicate oneself is difficult to overcome. You
have to remember you are dealing with trained interrogators that
want to extract information to trap you. Did you know that the
LEO's are under no legal obligation to be truthfull with suspects or
persons of interest. Our legal system has become very skewed
in favor of the prosecutor.

Best Regards
Tom.



They just called it blackmail, too.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015...lated-charges/

``he allegedly hid payments he made to an apparent blackmailer in
order to compensate for and conceal "prior misconduct." ''

i

"Ignoramus17447" wrote in message
...
On 2015-05-29, Howard Beal wrote:

"Ignoramus17447" wrote in message
...
On 2015-05-29, Howard Beal wrote:

"Ignoramus17447" wrote in message
...
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/denni...ry?id=31376076

Without knowing much detail, I find this article to be deeply
disturbing.

It seems that the crime that Dennis Hastert is accused of, is being a
victim of a successful blackmailer, and "structuring" his cash
withdrawals that he made to pay off and appease the blackmailer.

Added to that is "lying to investigators", which seems like a garden
variety retort that he "kept the money for himself".

Is that really the kind of criminal behavior that endangers our
society? What else is going on, is he falling victim to powerful
enemies?

I read some other stories recently, where "Muslim extremists" are
similarly pursued by the FBI and put in prison for some ridiculous
"crimes" like lying to the FBI. OK, in that case at least these
"extremists" are sworn and overt enemies of the USA, so I wrote that
off as a new normal.

But what about Dennis Hastert?

i

If you use your right to remain silent you can not be charged with
lying to the government. Everything you say to any LEO will be
used against you. Save your explainations for the court room.


You are right, but it is easier said than done.

i

Indeed, the urge to vindicate oneself is difficult to overcome. You
have to remember you are dealing with trained interrogators that
want to extract information to trap you. Did you know that the
LEO's are under no legal obligation to be truthfull with suspects or
persons of interest. Our legal system has become very skewed
in favor of the prosecutor.

Best Regards
Tom.



They just called it blackmail, too.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015...lated-charges/

``he allegedly hid payments he made to an apparent blackmailer in
order to compensate for and conceal "prior misconduct." ''

i

His prior misconduct will ultimatley be exposed now that the
fbi is involved.

Best Regards
Tom.

On Thu, 28 May 2015 20:59:04 -0500, Ignoramus17447
wrote:

snip
If you use your right to remain silent you can not be charged with
lying to the government. Everything you say to any LEO will be
used against you. Save your explainations for the court room.


You are right, but it is easier said than done.
================
Repeat after me:

"On advice of counsel I decline to answer any questions
without the presence of my attorney, and I wish all
questioning to cease."

then Lawyer--Lawyer--Lawyer--


--
Unka' George

"Gold is the money of kings,
silver is the money of gentlemen,
barter is the money of peasants,
but debt is the money of slaves"

-Norm Franz, "Money and Wealth in the New Millenium"

On 2015-05-29, Howard Beal wrote:

"Ignoramus17447" wrote in message
...
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/denni...ry?id=31376076

Without knowing much detail, I find this article to be deeply
disturbing.

It seems that the crime that Dennis Hastert is accused of, is being a
victim of a successful blackmailer, and "structuring" his cash
withdrawals that he made to pay off and appease the blackmailer.

Added to that is "lying to investigators", which seems like a garden
variety retort that he "kept the money for himself".

Is that really the kind of criminal behavior that endangers our
society? What else is going on, is he falling victim to powerful
enemies?

I read some other stories recently, where "Muslim extremists" are
similarly pursued by the FBI and put in prison for some ridiculous
"crimes" like lying to the FBI. OK, in that case at least these
"extremists" are sworn and overt enemies of the USA, so I wrote that
off as a new normal.

But what about Dennis Hastert?

i

If you use your right to remain silent you can not be charged with
lying to the government. Everything you say to any LEO will be
used against you. Save your explainations for the court room.

I have never been arrested, or under investigation that I know about,
but I was interrogated once, a long time ago, in a matter concerning
someone else. Nothing ever came out of this (for me). Fortunately, I
did not know much.

I am sure that "not talking to investigators" is a lot harder than it
seems. They do not come out and say "you are investigated for a
crime", they come out and say "can you help us with
investigation". They are trained to make you talk. This is what "Reid
techniques" are about.

i

i

On Friday, May 29, 2015 at 9:59:31 AM UTC-4, Ignoramus17447 wrote:
On 2015-05-29, Howard Beal wrote:

"Ignoramus17447" wrote in message
...
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/denni...ry?id=31376076

Without knowing much detail, I find this article to be deeply
disturbing.

It seems that the crime that Dennis Hastert is accused of, is being a
victim of a successful blackmailer, and "structuring" his cash
withdrawals that he made to pay off and appease the blackmailer.

Added to that is "lying to investigators", which seems like a garden
variety retort that he "kept the money for himself".

Is that really the kind of criminal behavior that endangers our
society? What else is going on, is he falling victim to powerful
enemies?

I read some other stories recently, where "Muslim extremists" are
similarly pursued by the FBI and put in prison for some ridiculous
"crimes" like lying to the FBI. OK, in that case at least these
"extremists" are sworn and overt enemies of the USA, so I wrote that
off as a new normal.

But what about Dennis Hastert?

i

If you use your right to remain silent you can not be charged with
lying to the government. Everything you say to any LEO will be
used against you. Save your explainations for the court room.

I have never been arrested, or under investigation that I know
about, but I was interrogated once, a long time ago, in a matter
concerning someone else. Nothing ever came out of this (for me).

Did you ever try to keep track of those who interrogated you and others that they've interrogated? Because you may have a right to sue if it was later found that illegal procedures were followed during the questioning.

On Thu, 28 May 2015 20:12:01 -0700, "Howard Beal"
wrote:



Indeed, the urge to vindicate oneself is difficult to overcome. You
have to remember you are dealing with trained interrogators that
want to extract information to trap you. Did you know that the
LEO's are under no legal obligation to be truthfull with suspects or
persons of interest. Our legal system has become very skewed
in favor of the prosecutor.

Best Regards
Tom.


I heard of a guy that went to the police with some drugs he found
hidden in an imported food package (quite a high street value). The
police threatened to arrest him for possession of drugs unless he wore
a wire to get the owner of the store to implicate himself. He did it
because he was afraid (hope the guy doesn't have some buddies who will
get pay-back on his car, wife, house, kids etc. And you wonder why
people sometimes show a lack of interest in illegal goings-on.


--
Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
Amazon link for AoE 3rd Edition: http://tinyurl.com/ntrpwu8
Microchip link for 2015 Masters in Phoenix: http://tinyurl.com/l7g2k48

On Friday, May 29, 2015 at 5:08:40 AM UTC-4, Howard Beal wrote:
"Ignoramus17447" wrote in message
...
On 2015-05-29, Howard Beal wrote:

"Ignoramus17447" wrote in message
...
On 2015-05-29, Howard Beal wrote:

"Ignoramus17447" wrote in message
...
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/denni...ry?id=31376076

Without knowing much detail, I find this article to be deeply
disturbing.

It seems that the crime that Dennis Hastert is accused of, is being a
victim of a successful blackmailer, and "structuring" his cash
withdrawals that he made to pay off and appease the blackmailer.

Added to that is "lying to investigators", which seems like a garden
variety retort that he "kept the money for himself".

Is that really the kind of criminal behavior that endangers our
society? What else is going on, is he falling victim to powerful
enemies?

I read some other stories recently, where "Muslim extremists" are
similarly pursued by the FBI and put in prison for some ridiculous
"crimes" like lying to the FBI. OK, in that case at least these
"extremists" are sworn and overt enemies of the USA, so I wrote that
off as a new normal.

But what about Dennis Hastert?

i

If you use your right to remain silent you can not be charged with
lying to the government. Everything you say to any LEO will be
used against you. Save your explainations for the court room.


You are right, but it is easier said than done.

i

Indeed, the urge to vindicate oneself is difficult to overcome. You
have to remember you are dealing with trained interrogators that
want to extract information to trap you. Did you know that the
LEO's are under no legal obligation to be truthfull with suspects or
persons of interest. Our legal system has become very skewed
in favor of the prosecutor.

Best Regards
Tom.



They just called it blackmail, too.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015...lated-charges/

``he allegedly hid payments he made to an apparent blackmailer in
order to compensate for and conceal "prior misconduct." ''

i

His prior misconduct will ultimatley be exposed now that the
fbi is involved.

Hastert was a... "former high school wrestling coach :

Read mo http://www.politico.com/story/2015/0...#ixzz3bYS2OLa6
"

So he hasn't always had to defend himself legally. He was never used to this.

It was a homosexual affair

-------------
Former Republican House Speaker Dennis Hastert allegedly paid hush money to cover up sexual misconduct with a male dating to his time as a coach and teacher in Yorkville, according to a source familiar with the investigation.

Hastert, 73 of Plano ...

-- http://chicago.suntimes.com/politics...ual-misconduct

a video clip of his appearance on C-SPAN last November included a call from a viewer who identified himself as "Bruce from Illinois."
"Hello Denny, " the caller says in a youthful voice, to which Hastert replies, "Hey, how you doin?"
"Remember me from Yorkville?" the caller asks.
"Yeah, go ahead," Hastert replies, his eyes shifting left to right as he rolls his tongue over his lower lip.
The caller then laughs in a high-pitched voice and the host cuts him off.

-- http://nypost.com/2015/05/28/ex-hous...lated-charges/

On Thu, 28 May 2015 19:00:43 -0500, Ignoramus17447 wrote:

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/denni...aker-indicted-
feds/story?id=31376076

Without knowing much detail, I find this article to be deeply
disturbing.

It seems that the crime that Dennis Hastert is accused of, is being a
victim of a successful blackmailer, and "structuring" his cash
withdrawals that he made to pay off and appease the blackmailer.

Added to that is "lying to investigators", which seems like a garden
variety retort that he "kept the money for himself".

Is that really the kind of criminal behavior that endangers our society?
What else is going on, is he falling victim to powerful enemies?

I read some other stories recently, where "Muslim extremists" are
similarly pursued by the FBI and put in prison for some ridiculous
"crimes" like lying to the FBI. OK, in that case at least these
"extremists" are sworn and overt enemies of the USA, so I wrote that off
as a new normal.

But what about Dennis Hastert?

You only get blackmailed if you fail to tell your blackmailer "publish
and be damned". That's like, a courageous thing to do, so it's hard to
see a political hack doing it.

--

Tim Wescott
Wescott Design Services
http://www.wescottdesign.com

And so what is the big deal. If anything the other guy for Hi-Jacking
him for money should be in trouble. The payer might not being a forcing
onto the other it might be blackmail.

Martin

On 5/29/2015 2:48 PM, wrote:
It was a homosexual affair

-------------
Former Republican House Speaker Dennis Hastert allegedly paid hush money to cover up sexual misconduct with a male dating to his time as a coach and teacher in Yorkville, according to a source familiar with the investigation.

Hastert, 73 of Plano ...

-- http://chicago.suntimes.com/politics...ual-misconduct

"F. George McDuffee" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 28 May 2015 20:59:04 -0500, Ignoramus17447
wrote:

snip
If you use your right to remain silent you can not be charged with
lying to the government. Everything you say to any LEO will be
used against you. Save your explainations for the court room.


You are right, but it is easier said than done.
================
Repeat after me:

"On advice of counsel I decline to answer any questions
without the presence of my attorney, and I wish all
questioning to cease."

then Lawyer--Lawyer--Lawyer--


--
Unka' George


Better call Saul.

Best Regards
Tom.

"Ignoramus17447" wrote in message
...

I am sure that "not talking to investigators" is a lot harder than it
seems. They do not come out and say "you are investigated for a
crime", they come out and say "can you help us with
investigation". They are trained to make you talk. This is what "Reid
techniques" are about.

i


John Burge got faster results, old school but he did get
a lot of confessions.

Q: Can you help us with investigation.

A: I have to ask my lawyer.

Best Regards
Tom.

tOn Fri, 29 May 2015 11:12:25 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Friday, May 29, 2015 at 9:59:31 AM UTC-4, Ignoramus17447 wrote:
On 2015-05-29, Howard Beal wrote:

"Ignoramus17447" wrote in message
...
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/denni...ry?id=31376076

Without knowing much detail, I find this article to be deeply
disturbing.

It seems that the crime that Dennis Hastert is accused of, is being a
victim of a successful blackmailer, and "structuring" his cash
withdrawals that he made to pay off and appease the blackmailer.

Added to that is "lying to investigators", which seems like a garden
variety retort that he "kept the money for himself".

Is that really the kind of criminal behavior that endangers our
society? What else is going on, is he falling victim to powerful
enemies?

I read some other stories recently, where "Muslim extremists" are
similarly pursued by the FBI and put in prison for some ridiculous
"crimes" like lying to the FBI. OK, in that case at least these
"extremists" are sworn and overt enemies of the USA, so I wrote that
off as a new normal.

But what about Dennis Hastert?

i

If you use your right to remain silent you can not be charged with
lying to the government. Everything you say to any LEO will be
used against you. Save your explainations for the court room.

I have never been arrested, or under investigation that I know
about, but I was interrogated once, a long time ago, in a matter
concerning someone else. Nothing ever came out of this (for me).

Did you ever try to keep track of those who interrogated you and others that they've interrogated? Because you may have a right to sue if it was later found that illegal procedures were followed during the questioning.

I believe that there was a U.S. court decision that up held the
Interrogator's right to lie to the individual being inebriated while
if the individual being inebriated lies to the interrogator he is
committing a crime.

When I was in the U.S.A.F. I believe it was a regulation or policy
that the Interrogator was required to inform you, before you were
questioned, that you were not required by the regulations to answer.

At least when my wife backed into a guy's fender and we called the Air
Police to report it that was the first thing that the A.P. said when
he arrived.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Thu, 28 May 2015 19:13:04 -0500, "Terry Coombs"
wrote:


Sounds to me like it's politically motivated - he's a republican in Illinois
... not that I'm condoning what he did , but are they going after the
extorter too ? If not , why not ?

Looks like he was covering sexual misconduct with a male student when
he taught high school. Hard to see how this could be politically
motivated since Hastert has been long out of office.

On Thursday, May 28, 2015 at 7:00:44 PM UTC-5, Ignoramus17447 wrote:
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/denni...ry?id=31376076

Without knowing much detail, I find this article to be deeply
disturbing.

It seems that the crime that Dennis Hastert is accused of, is being a
victim of a successful blackmailer, and "structuring" his cash
withdrawals that he made to pay off and appease the blackmailer.

Added to that is "lying to investigators", which seems like a garden
variety retort that he "kept the money for himself".

Is that really the kind of criminal behavior that endangers our
society? What else is going on, is he falling victim to powerful
enemies?

I read some other stories recently, where "Muslim extremists" are
similarly pursued by the FBI and put in prison for some ridiculous
"crimes" like lying to the FBI. OK, in that case at least these
"extremists" are sworn and overt enemies of the USA, so I wrote that
off as a new normal.

But what about Dennis Hastert?

His crime was being a Republican.

On Sat, 30 May 2015 10:29:51 -0700 (PDT), CertifiedGunNut
wrote:

On Thursday, May 28, 2015 at 7:00:44 PM UTC-5, Ignoramus17447 wrote:
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/denni...ry?id=31376076

Without knowing much detail, I find this article to be deeply
disturbing.

It seems that the crime that Dennis Hastert is accused of, is being a
victim of a successful blackmailer, and "structuring" his cash
withdrawals that he made to pay off and appease the blackmailer.

Added to that is "lying to investigators", which seems like a garden
variety retort that he "kept the money for himself".

Is that really the kind of criminal behavior that endangers our
society? What else is going on, is he falling victim to powerful
enemies?

I read some other stories recently, where "Muslim extremists" are
similarly pursued by the FBI and put in prison for some ridiculous
"crimes" like lying to the FBI. OK, in that case at least these
"extremists" are sworn and overt enemies of the USA, so I wrote that
off as a new normal.

But what about Dennis Hastert?

His crime was being a Republican.

Afterall...Gary Studds got elected repeatedly for taking a juvinile
out of the US for purpose of raping him.

And a standing ovation by the Democrats

Gunner

On Sat, 30 May 2015 11:27:26 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Sat, 30 May 2015 10:29:51 -0700 (PDT), CertifiedGunNut
wrote:

On Thursday, May 28, 2015 at 7:00:44 PM UTC-5, Ignoramus17447 wrote:
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/denni...ry?id=31376076

Without knowing much detail, I find this article to be deeply
disturbing.

It seems that the crime that Dennis Hastert is accused of, is being a
victim of a successful blackmailer, and "structuring" his cash
withdrawals that he made to pay off and appease the blackmailer.

Added to that is "lying to investigators", which seems like a garden
variety retort that he "kept the money for himself".

Is that really the kind of criminal behavior that endangers our
society? What else is going on, is he falling victim to powerful
enemies?

I read some other stories recently, where "Muslim extremists" are
similarly pursued by the FBI and put in prison for some ridiculous
"crimes" like lying to the FBI. OK, in that case at least these
"extremists" are sworn and overt enemies of the USA, so I wrote that
off as a new normal.

But what about Dennis Hastert?

His crime was being a Republican.

Afterall...Gary Studds got elected repeatedly for taking a juvinile
out of the US for purpose of raping him.

And a standing ovation by the Democrats

And Billary will likely get elected on her stunning Benghazi record.

--
It takes as much energy to wish as to plan.
--Eleanor Roosevelt