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Anyone know where to get a repair manual for a Lincoln Ideal arc
300/300 stick tig machine?

It has five setttings for power. And then a fine adjust knob for power
levels in between. this broke. All it does is full power for each of
the five main levels.

As an alternate, anybody know of a deal on a DC stick/tig welder? if i
can't fix it, the cost is more than its worth to have a tech. repair
it.

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Anyone know where to get a repair manual for a Lincoln Ideal arc
300/300 stick tig machine?

It has five setttings for power. And then a fine adjust knob for power
levels in between. this broke. All it does is full power for each of
the five main levels.

As an alternate, anybody know of a deal on a DC stick/tig welder? if i
can't fix it, the cost is more than its worth to have a tech. repair
it.


Do you have the operators manual? Maybe this:

http://www.lincolnelectric.com/asset...oln3/IM333.pdf

It has a Trouble Shooting section, parts layout and schematic. Not the
best copy but I don't know what you already have... If nobody else
jumps in I would suggest giving Don a call and see if he wants to come
out for supper. You're a bit far away for me to drive over for a
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is the knob a pot?

did you try to replace the knob with another pot?

I have a bunch of dc tigs

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Anyone know where to get a repair manual for a Lincoln Ideal arc
300/300 stick tig machine?

It has five setttings for power. And then a fine adjust knob for power
levels in between. this broke. All it does is full power for each of
the five main levels.

As an alternate, anybody know of a deal on a DC stick/tig welder? if i
can't fix it, the cost is more than its worth to have a tech. repair
it.

Karl

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I have a bunch of dc tigs



email me, I'm ready to just trade up.

karltownsendATembarqmailDOTcom

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I have a bunch of dc tigs


Yeah... I got one (of Ig's), and LOVE it. "Old-tech" (NASA-type man-to-
the-moon equipment, though just a bit more modern than that), so it's
emminently repairable; ALL electro-mechanical,except for the rectifiers. I
figure, if it was good enough to put our astronauts into space, it's good
enough for the mundane crap I build.

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Thanks for the leads but my unit is a fair bit older than the manual
you found.
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I have a bunch of dc tigs



email me, I'm ready to just trade up.

karltownsendATembarqmailDOTcom

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I have a bunch of dc tigs


Yeah... I got one (of Ig's), and LOVE it. "Old-tech" (NASA-type man-to-
the-moon equipment, though just a bit more modern than that), so it's
emminently repairable; ALL electro-mechanical,except for the rectifiers. I
figure, if it was good enough to put our astronauts into space, it's good
enough for the mundane crap I build.


You will be fine as long as you do not try to fly into space ;-]

I am glad that you like it!

These welders are truly indestructible.

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I also have a Miller Maxstar SD for sale

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I have a bunch of dc tigs



email me, I'm ready to just trade up.

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Ig, I sent the link to my son. I'll wait for his advice and then
contact you.

I assume what i see is what you got - no leads, foot peddle, tig torch
etc.

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assume what i see is what you got - no leads, foot peddle, tig torch
etc.


FWIW, when I got my Miller Syncrowave from Ig, it had ALL the toys!

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Ig, I sent the link to my son. I'll wait for his advice and then
contact you.

I assume what i see is what you got - no leads, foot peddle, tig torch
etc.


For sure nothing is included if it is not shown.

I also have a Maxstar SD suitcase for sale.

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assume what i see is what you got - no leads, foot peddle, tig torch
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FWIW, when I got my Miller Syncrowave from Ig, it had ALL the toys!


But they were all shown!

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I also have a Maxstar SD suitcase for sale.

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nothing you have trips my trigger, send pics of this if you can.

I need 1 phase unit and know buying the extras can really cost.
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But they were all shown!


But I'll also bet that in the 'stacks', you have stuff you could use to put
together a "package", if someone wanted one! I know hoarders (being one of
limited ilk, myself), and I'd be willing to wager there are 'extra'
torches, leads, and miscellanea on your shelves.

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But they were all shown!


But I'll also bet that in the 'stacks', you have stuff you could use to put
together a "package", if someone wanted one! I know hoarders (being one of
limited ilk, myself), and I'd be willing to wager there are 'extra'
torches, leads, and miscellanea on your shelves.


I have torches and leads, but no pedals.

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On Fri, 22 May 2015 19:03:04 -0500
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Thanks for the leads but my unit is a fair bit older than the manual
you found.


Need more info then, like a model number off it. Calling it an
Idealarc is like saying your car is a Chevy ;-)

The one I linked to above is from 1984. For an Idealarc TIG-300/300.
Should have a code number on it too I think. That manual was for code
8888 and higher...

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Anyone know where to get a repair manual for a Lincoln Ideal arc
300/300 stick tig machine?

It has five setttings for power. And then a fine adjust knob for power
levels in between. this broke. All it does is full power for each of
the five main levels.

As an alternate, anybody know of a deal on a DC stick/tig welder? if i
can't fix it, the cost is more than its worth to have a tech. repair
it.

Karl


Just replace the pot. Its not rocket science. The resistance element
in that post went west.

Any welding repair shop can get you one and Id certainly check ebay

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I also have a Miller Maxstar SD for sale


OOOOOHHH!!!!!



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I have a bunch of dc tigs


email me, I'm ready to just trade up.

karltownsendATembarqmailDOTcom

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On Fri, 22 May 2015 10:28:22 -0500, Karl Townsend
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Anyone know where to get a repair manual for a Lincoln Ideal arc
300/300 stick tig machine?

It has five setttings for power. And then a fine adjust knob for power
levels in between. this broke. All it does is full power for each of
the five main levels.

As an alternate, anybody know of a deal on a DC stick/tig welder? if i
can't fix it, the cost is more than its worth to have a tech. repair
it.

Karl


Just replace the pot. Its not rocket science. The resistance element
in that post went west.

Any welding repair shop can get you one and Id certainly check ebay

Gunner



http://www.potentiometer.com/ is a good resource for pots, including
Mil spec.


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I tore the machine apart. Pot runs smooth 0 - 12K ohms. Also tested
panel/remote switch, its fine.

Other ideas before the scrap man gets it?

Karl


pics here
http://www.hobby-machinist.com/threa...-repair.35668/
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I tore the machine apart. Pot runs smooth 0 - 12K ohms. Also tested
panel/remote switch, its fine.

Other ideas before the scrap man gets it?

Karl


pics here
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Wiggle all the connectors and reseat any socketed ICs.


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I tore the machine apart. Pot runs smooth 0 - 12K ohms. Also tested
panel/remote switch, its fine.

Other ideas before the scrap man gets it?

Karl


pics here
http://www.hobby-machinist.com/threa...-repair.35668/


Checked the diodes as the gentleman suggested?

I just did a little google search...you may wish to read this

http://weldingweb.com/showthread.php...300-300-No-Joy

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I tore the machine apart. Pot runs smooth 0 - 12K ohms. Also tested
panel/remote switch, its fine.

Other ideas before the scrap man gets it?

Karl


pics here
http://www.hobby-machinist.com/threa...-repair.35668/


Have to sign up to see images...

Need the code number to get the right manual. There are several that
might be what you need. They aren't the best though...

http://www.lincolnelectric.com/asset...oln3/im192.pdf

Probably one of these, from oldest to newer. I stopped at the one you
already looked at.

http://www.lincolnelectric.com/asset...oln3/im224.pdf
http://www.lincolnelectric.com/asset...oln3/im228.pdf
http://www.lincolnelectric.com/asset...oln3/im236.pdf
http://www.lincolnelectric.com/asset...oln3/im243.pdf
http://www.lincolnelectric.com/asset...oln3/im265.pdf

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I tore the machine apart. Pot runs smooth 0 - 12K ohms. Also tested
panel/remote switch, its fine.

Other ideas before the scrap man gets it?

Karl


pics here
http://www.hobby-machinist.com/threa...-repair.35668/


Id also mention..that is one of the finest welders ever made. I see
them in countless machine/welding shops..still chugging away 40 or
more years since they were new.

Ive used 20 or more different ones in shops..and have had 2 of my
own..and I really..really like this machine. Id spend the time
following the instructions and rebuild that board(s)

Pass it on to your grandkids children.

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I tore the machine apart. Pot runs smooth 0 - 12K ohms. Also tested
panel/remote switch, its fine.

Other ideas before the scrap man gets it?


Ebay, "Very old unit (complete with dinosaur teeth, not working,
$200 + actual shipping costs". It'll sell in a few days, but you
might have to come down to $175.

Ebayers and Craigslisters will buy anything.

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I tore the machine apart. Pot runs smooth 0 - 12K ohms. Also tested
panel/remote switch, its fine.

Other ideas before the scrap man gets it?

Karl


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Several years ago I helped the owner of a TIG welder find why he had no current control. The machine was not a Linco[n , but I expect most welders of that age used the same general idea. The current control in his case was done by a saturable reactor. There was a circuit similar to a light dimmer that varied the current thru the saturable reactor. The SCR was bad. I forget if it was open or shorted. After we had trouble shot the welder, he got a new scr and that fixed the welder. He was not as tight as I am. I think he got the SCR at Radio Shack for about $5.

It sounds as if you have about the same problem. We did have a schematic and just used a DMM for measurements. Any kind of a scope would have made finding it much faster.

I would advertise in Craigslist for someone to fix it. I am thinking of high school kid or someone in college. And if you have no luck with that, I would give it to some kid before letting the scrap man have it.

I would help you but am on the East Coast.

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Id also mention..that is one of the finest welders ever made. I see
them in countless machine/welding shops..still chugging away 40 or
more years since they were new.


Spent four hours on it today, and got nowhere. thar's enough. I'm NOT
an electrical repairman.

You're right, this was a wonderful welder. I've had it 25 years.

Thanks for trying to help the helpless.

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Ebayers and Craigslisters will buy anything.


I just put it up on craigs list. waiting for the rash of idiot phone
calls. Bet I'm sorry before its done.
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Probably one of these, from oldest to newer. I stopped at the one you
already looked at.

http://www.lincolnelectric.com/asset...oln3/im224.pdf
http://www.lincolnelectric.com/asset...oln3/im228.pdf
http://www.lincolnelectric.com/asset...oln3/im236.pdf
http://www.lincolnelectric.com/asset...oln3/im243.pdf
http://www.lincolnelectric.com/asset...oln3/im265.pdf


Thanks for trying. I just got ****ed off at it and gave up. HATE
electrical repair - can't do it.

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Ebayers and Craigslisters will buy anything.


I just put it up on craigs list. waiting for the rash of idiot phone
calls. Bet I'm sorry before its done.


Mebbeso.

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Probably one of these, from oldest to newer. I stopped at the one you
already looked at.

http://www.lincolnelectric.com/asset...oln3/im224.pdf
http://www.lincolnelectric.com/asset...oln3/im228.pdf
http://www.lincolnelectric.com/asset...oln3/im236.pdf
http://www.lincolnelectric.com/asset...oln3/im243.pdf
http://www.lincolnelectric.com/asset...oln3/im265.pdf


Thanks for trying. I just got ****ed off at it and gave up. HATE
electrical repair - can't do it.


Have you used this machine since the lightning strike last summer and
it worked okay?

You probably don't unplug it and some of the electronics in it could
easily be damaged by a good lightning hit. I remember you telling about
the lightning hit and several items it messed up. Don't remember if you
turned any of it in on your insurance though, which is why I'm
mentioning it.


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Have you used this machine since the lightning strike last summer and
it worked okay?

You probably don't unplug it and some of the electronics in it could
easily be damaged by a good lightning hit. I remember you telling about
the lightning hit and several items it messed up. Don't remember if you
turned any of it in on your insurance though, which is why I'm
mentioning it.


actually, I have to unplug it. There's a serious humm when turned off
and plugged in.

I'm going to have to take the unit in for repair GULP I had no idea
how expensive new welders that will do TIG and 300 amp are. My worry,
and I've seen this happen, I get a call a few days later saying sorry
can't fix your machine, the bill is $1000. BUT if you buy our new box
for too much $ we'll forget about the repair bill.


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Have you used this machine since the lightning strike last summer and
it worked okay?

You probably don't unplug it and some of the electronics in it could
easily be damaged by a good lightning hit. I remember you telling about
the lightning hit and several items it messed up. Don't remember if you
turned any of it in on your insurance though, which is why I'm
mentioning it.


actually, I have to unplug it. There's a serious humm when turned off
and plugged in.

I'm going to have to take the unit in for repair GULP I had no idea
how expensive new welders that will do TIG and 300 amp are. My worry,
and I've seen this happen, I get a call a few days later saying sorry
can't fix your machine, the bill is $1000. BUT if you buy our new box
for too much $ we'll forget about the repair bill.


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Have you used this machine since the lightning strike last summer and
it worked okay?

You probably don't unplug it and some of the electronics in it could
easily be damaged by a good lightning hit. I remember you telling about
the lightning hit and several items it messed up. Don't remember if you
turned any of it in on your insurance though, which is why I'm
mentioning it.


actually, I have to unplug it. There's a serious humm when turned off
and plugged in.

I'm going to have to take the unit in for repair GULP I had no idea
how expensive new welders that will do TIG and 300 amp are. My worry,
and I've seen this happen, I get a call a few days later saying sorry
can't fix your machine, the bill is $1000. BUT if you buy our new box
for too much $ we'll forget about the repair bill.


And you go to pick up the old box and find that none of the cover
screws have been tampered with, so you throw the bill in their face
and walk out with it. BTDT with friends' equipment before.

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I'm going to have to take the unit in for repair GULP I had no idea
how expensive new welders that will do TIG and 300 amp are. My worry,
and I've seen this happen, I get a call a few days later saying sorry
can't fix your machine, the bill is $1000. BUT if you buy our new box
for too much $ we'll forget about the repair bill.


If you want to go new and cheap you might want to consider Everlast:

http://www.amazon.com/Everlast-Power...dp/B0081BEULK/

Make sure you read through the reviews first. Some people have had
problems and of course some people seem to be pretty happy with it...

Welding Tips And Tricks.com has some info too:

http://www.everlastgenerators.com/fo...verlast-250-EX

You can get some idea of new prices by searching on Amazon. Like:

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_no...ler+tig+welder

It looks like the Miller Dynasty 200 DX is going for $4275.

The old Miller DialArc was a hell of a welder. It could be configured
with HF AC/DC Tig. Weighs a ton but you may find a used one for sale in
your area. Came in several different amperages, sometimes only AC/DC
and no Tig so be careful when shopping.


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The old Miller DialArc was a hell of a welder. It could be configured
with HF AC/DC Tig. Weighs a ton but you may find a used one for sale in
your area. Came in several different amperages, sometimes only AC/DC
and no Tig so be careful when shopping.


Ive got a DialArc 250 (stick) under my welding bench. The old bitch
has been bullet proof for the 15 years Ive owned her, and she was
elderly when I got her. Every couple years I take an air hose to her
and blow out the black widows and dust bunnies. Works a treat and I
expect it to keep working. Cost me $50 and a set of leads.

Ive used the HF-Tig versions..they work just as well.

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I'm trying. trouble is, a week is a long time without a welder.
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I'm going to have to take the unit in for repair GULP I had no idea
how expensive new welders that will do TIG and 300 amp are. My worry,
and I've seen this happen, I get a call a few days later saying sorry
can't fix your machine, the bill is $1000. BUT if you buy our new box
for too much $ we'll forget about the repair bill.


If you want to go new and cheap you might want to consider Everlast:



I'm only looking at blue boxes.

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On Tue, 26 May 2015 05:41:47 -0500
Karl Townsend wrote:

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I'm going to have to take the unit in for repair GULP I had no idea
how expensive new welders that will do TIG and 300 amp are. My worry,
and I've seen this happen, I get a call a few days later saying sorry
can't fix your machine, the bill is $1000. BUT if you buy our new box
for too much $ we'll forget about the repair bill.


If you want to go new and cheap you might want to consider Everlast:



I'm only looking at blue boxes.


I bet that your welder would still keep running, if it was blue.

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