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Anyone know where to get a repair manual for a Lincoln Ideal arc
300/300 stick tig machine? It has five setttings for power. And then a fine adjust knob for power levels in between. this broke. All it does is full power for each of the five main levels. As an alternate, anybody know of a deal on a DC stick/tig welder? if i can't fix it, the cost is more than its worth to have a tech. repair it. Karl |
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On Fri, 22 May 2015 10:28:22 -0500
Karl Townsend wrote: Anyone know where to get a repair manual for a Lincoln Ideal arc 300/300 stick tig machine? It has five setttings for power. And then a fine adjust knob for power levels in between. this broke. All it does is full power for each of the five main levels. As an alternate, anybody know of a deal on a DC stick/tig welder? if i can't fix it, the cost is more than its worth to have a tech. repair it. Do you have the operators manual? Maybe this: http://www.lincolnelectric.com/asset...oln3/IM333.pdf It has a Trouble Shooting section, parts layout and schematic. Not the best copy but I don't know what you already have... If nobody else jumps in I would suggest giving Don a call and see if he wants to come out for supper. You're a bit far away for me to drive over for a look ;-) -- Leon Fisk Grand Rapids MI/Zone 5b Remove no.spam for email |
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is the knob a pot?
did you try to replace the knob with another pot? I have a bunch of dc tigs i On 2015-05-22, Karl Townsend wrote: Anyone know where to get a repair manual for a Lincoln Ideal arc 300/300 stick tig machine? It has five setttings for power. And then a fine adjust knob for power levels in between. this broke. All it does is full power for each of the five main levels. As an alternate, anybody know of a deal on a DC stick/tig welder? if i can't fix it, the cost is more than its worth to have a tech. repair it. Karl |
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I have a bunch of dc tigs email me, I'm ready to just trade up. karltownsendATembarqmailDOTcom Karl |
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Ignoramus8699 fired this volley in
: I have a bunch of dc tigs Yeah... I got one (of Ig's), and LOVE it. "Old-tech" (NASA-type man-to- the-moon equipment, though just a bit more modern than that), so it's emminently repairable; ALL electro-mechanical,except for the rectifiers. I figure, if it was good enough to put our astronauts into space, it's good enough for the mundane crap I build. LLoyd |
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Thanks for the leads but my unit is a fair bit older than the manual
you found. |
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emailed
On 2015-05-22, Karl Townsend wrote: I have a bunch of dc tigs email me, I'm ready to just trade up. karltownsendATembarqmailDOTcom Karl |
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On 2015-05-22, Lloyd E. Sponenburgh lloydspinsidemindspring.com wrote:
Ignoramus8699 fired this volley in : I have a bunch of dc tigs Yeah... I got one (of Ig's), and LOVE it. "Old-tech" (NASA-type man-to- the-moon equipment, though just a bit more modern than that), so it's emminently repairable; ALL electro-mechanical,except for the rectifiers. I figure, if it was good enough to put our astronauts into space, it's good enough for the mundane crap I build. You will be fine as long as you do not try to fly into space ;-] I am glad that you like it! These welders are truly indestructible. i |
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I also have a Miller Maxstar SD for sale
i On 2015-05-23, Ignoramus8699 wrote: emailed On 2015-05-22, Karl Townsend wrote: I have a bunch of dc tigs email me, I'm ready to just trade up. karltownsendATembarqmailDOTcom Karl |
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Ig, I sent the link to my son. I'll wait for his advice and then
contact you. I assume what i see is what you got - no leads, foot peddle, tig torch etc. Karl |
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Karl Townsend fired this volley in
: assume what i see is what you got - no leads, foot peddle, tig torch etc. FWIW, when I got my Miller Syncrowave from Ig, it had ALL the toys! Lloyd |
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On 2015-05-23, Karl Townsend wrote:
Ig, I sent the link to my son. I'll wait for his advice and then contact you. I assume what i see is what you got - no leads, foot peddle, tig torch etc. For sure nothing is included if it is not shown. I also have a Maxstar SD suitcase for sale. i |
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On 2015-05-23, Lloyd E. Sponenburgh lloydspinsidemindspring.com wrote:
Karl Townsend fired this volley in : assume what i see is what you got - no leads, foot peddle, tig torch etc. FWIW, when I got my Miller Syncrowave from Ig, it had ALL the toys! But they were all shown! i |
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I also have a Maxstar SD suitcase for sale. i nothing you have trips my trigger, send pics of this if you can. I need 1 phase unit and know buying the extras can really cost. |
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Ignoramus8699 fired this volley in
: But they were all shown! But I'll also bet that in the 'stacks', you have stuff you could use to put together a "package", if someone wanted one! I know hoarders (being one of limited ilk, myself), and I'd be willing to wager there are 'extra' torches, leads, and miscellanea on your shelves. Lloyd |
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On 2015-05-23, Lloyd E. Sponenburgh lloydspinsidemindspring.com wrote:
Ignoramus8699 fired this volley in : But they were all shown! But I'll also bet that in the 'stacks', you have stuff you could use to put together a "package", if someone wanted one! I know hoarders (being one of limited ilk, myself), and I'd be willing to wager there are 'extra' torches, leads, and miscellanea on your shelves. I have torches and leads, but no pedals. i |
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On Fri, 22 May 2015 19:03:04 -0500
Karl Townsend wrote: Thanks for the leads but my unit is a fair bit older than the manual you found. Need more info then, like a model number off it. Calling it an Idealarc is like saying your car is a Chevy ;-) The one I linked to above is from 1984. For an Idealarc TIG-300/300. Should have a code number on it too I think. That manual was for code 8888 and higher... -- Leon Fisk Grand Rapids MI/Zone 5b Remove no.spam for email |
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On Fri, 22 May 2015 10:28:22 -0500, Karl Townsend
wrote: Anyone know where to get a repair manual for a Lincoln Ideal arc 300/300 stick tig machine? It has five setttings for power. And then a fine adjust knob for power levels in between. this broke. All it does is full power for each of the five main levels. As an alternate, anybody know of a deal on a DC stick/tig welder? if i can't fix it, the cost is more than its worth to have a tech. repair it. Karl Just replace the pot. Its not rocket science. The resistance element in that post went west. Any welding repair shop can get you one and Id certainly check ebay Gunner |
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On Fri, 22 May 2015 20:36:51 -0500, Ignoramus8699
wrote: I also have a Miller Maxstar SD for sale OOOOOHHH!!!!! i On 2015-05-23, Ignoramus8699 wrote: emailed On 2015-05-22, Karl Townsend wrote: I have a bunch of dc tigs email me, I'm ready to just trade up. karltownsendATembarqmailDOTcom Karl |
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Gunner Asch wrote: On Fri, 22 May 2015 10:28:22 -0500, Karl Townsend wrote: Anyone know where to get a repair manual for a Lincoln Ideal arc 300/300 stick tig machine? It has five setttings for power. And then a fine adjust knob for power levels in between. this broke. All it does is full power for each of the five main levels. As an alternate, anybody know of a deal on a DC stick/tig welder? if i can't fix it, the cost is more than its worth to have a tech. repair it. Karl Just replace the pot. Its not rocket science. The resistance element in that post went west. Any welding repair shop can get you one and Id certainly check ebay Gunner http://www.potentiometer.com/ is a good resource for pots, including Mil spec. |
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I tore the machine apart. Pot runs smooth 0 - 12K ohms. Also tested
panel/remote switch, its fine. Other ideas before the scrap man gets it? Karl pics here http://www.hobby-machinist.com/threa...-repair.35668/ |
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"Karl Townsend" wrote in message
... I tore the machine apart. Pot runs smooth 0 - 12K ohms. Also tested panel/remote switch, its fine. Other ideas before the scrap man gets it? Karl pics here http://www.hobby-machinist.com/threa...-repair.35668/ Wiggle all the connectors and reseat any socketed ICs. |
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On Sun, 24 May 2015 10:41:18 -0500, Karl Townsend
wrote: I tore the machine apart. Pot runs smooth 0 - 12K ohms. Also tested panel/remote switch, its fine. Other ideas before the scrap man gets it? Karl pics here http://www.hobby-machinist.com/threa...-repair.35668/ Checked the diodes as the gentleman suggested? I just did a little google search...you may wish to read this http://weldingweb.com/showthread.php...300-300-No-Joy |
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On Sun, 24 May 2015 10:41:18 -0500
Karl Townsend wrote: I tore the machine apart. Pot runs smooth 0 - 12K ohms. Also tested panel/remote switch, its fine. Other ideas before the scrap man gets it? Karl pics here http://www.hobby-machinist.com/threa...-repair.35668/ Have to sign up to see images... Need the code number to get the right manual. There are several that might be what you need. They aren't the best though... http://www.lincolnelectric.com/asset...oln3/im192.pdf Probably one of these, from oldest to newer. I stopped at the one you already looked at. http://www.lincolnelectric.com/asset...oln3/im224.pdf http://www.lincolnelectric.com/asset...oln3/im228.pdf http://www.lincolnelectric.com/asset...oln3/im236.pdf http://www.lincolnelectric.com/asset...oln3/im243.pdf http://www.lincolnelectric.com/asset...oln3/im265.pdf -- Leon Fisk Grand Rapids MI/Zone 5b Remove no.spam for email |
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On Sun, 24 May 2015 10:41:18 -0500, Karl Townsend
wrote: I tore the machine apart. Pot runs smooth 0 - 12K ohms. Also tested panel/remote switch, its fine. Other ideas before the scrap man gets it? Karl pics here http://www.hobby-machinist.com/threa...-repair.35668/ Id also mention..that is one of the finest welders ever made. I see them in countless machine/welding shops..still chugging away 40 or more years since they were new. Ive used 20 or more different ones in shops..and have had 2 of my own..and I really..really like this machine. Id spend the time following the instructions and rebuild that board(s) Pass it on to your grandkids children. Gunner |
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On Sun, 24 May 2015 10:41:18 -0500, Karl Townsend
wrote: I tore the machine apart. Pot runs smooth 0 - 12K ohms. Also tested panel/remote switch, its fine. Other ideas before the scrap man gets it? Ebay, "Very old unit (complete with dinosaur teeth, not working, $200 + actual shipping costs". It'll sell in a few days, but you might have to come down to $175. Ebayers and Craigslisters will buy anything. -- Win first, Fight later. --martial principle of the Samurai |
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On Sunday, May 24, 2015 at 11:41:22 AM UTC-4, Karl Townsend wrote:
I tore the machine apart. Pot runs smooth 0 - 12K ohms. Also tested panel/remote switch, its fine. Other ideas before the scrap man gets it? Karl pics here http://www.hobby-machinist.com/threa...-repair.35668/ Several years ago I helped the owner of a TIG welder find why he had no current control. The machine was not a Linco[n , but I expect most welders of that age used the same general idea. The current control in his case was done by a saturable reactor. There was a circuit similar to a light dimmer that varied the current thru the saturable reactor. The SCR was bad. I forget if it was open or shorted. After we had trouble shot the welder, he got a new scr and that fixed the welder. He was not as tight as I am. I think he got the SCR at Radio Shack for about $5. It sounds as if you have about the same problem. We did have a schematic and just used a DMM for measurements. Any kind of a scope would have made finding it much faster. I would advertise in Craigslist for someone to fix it. I am thinking of high school kid or someone in college. And if you have no luck with that, I would give it to some kid before letting the scrap man have it. I would help you but am on the East Coast. Dan |
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Id also mention..that is one of the finest welders ever made. I see them in countless machine/welding shops..still chugging away 40 or more years since they were new. Spent four hours on it today, and got nowhere. thar's enough. I'm NOT an electrical repairman. You're right, this was a wonderful welder. I've had it 25 years. Thanks for trying to help the helpless. karl |
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Ebayers and Craigslisters will buy anything. I just put it up on craigs list. waiting for the rash of idiot phone calls. Bet I'm sorry before its done. |
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Probably one of these, from oldest to newer. I stopped at the one you already looked at. http://www.lincolnelectric.com/asset...oln3/im224.pdf http://www.lincolnelectric.com/asset...oln3/im228.pdf http://www.lincolnelectric.com/asset...oln3/im236.pdf http://www.lincolnelectric.com/asset...oln3/im243.pdf http://www.lincolnelectric.com/asset...oln3/im265.pdf Thanks for trying. I just got ****ed off at it and gave up. HATE electrical repair - can't do it. Karl |
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On Sun, 24 May 2015 14:09:12 -0500, Karl Townsend
wrote: Ebayers and Craigslisters will buy anything. I just put it up on craigs list. waiting for the rash of idiot phone calls. Bet I'm sorry before its done. Mebbeso. -- Win first, Fight later. --martial principle of the Samurai |
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On Sun, 24 May 2015 14:15:30 -0500
Karl Townsend wrote: Probably one of these, from oldest to newer. I stopped at the one you already looked at. http://www.lincolnelectric.com/asset...oln3/im224.pdf http://www.lincolnelectric.com/asset...oln3/im228.pdf http://www.lincolnelectric.com/asset...oln3/im236.pdf http://www.lincolnelectric.com/asset...oln3/im243.pdf http://www.lincolnelectric.com/asset...oln3/im265.pdf Thanks for trying. I just got ****ed off at it and gave up. HATE electrical repair - can't do it. Have you used this machine since the lightning strike last summer and it worked okay? You probably don't unplug it and some of the electronics in it could easily be damaged by a good lightning hit. I remember you telling about the lightning hit and several items it messed up. Don't remember if you turned any of it in on your insurance though, which is why I'm mentioning it. -- Leon Fisk Grand Rapids MI/Zone 5b Remove no.spam for email |
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Have you used this machine since the lightning strike last summer and it worked okay? You probably don't unplug it and some of the electronics in it could easily be damaged by a good lightning hit. I remember you telling about the lightning hit and several items it messed up. Don't remember if you turned any of it in on your insurance though, which is why I'm mentioning it. actually, I have to unplug it. There's a serious humm when turned off and plugged in. I'm going to have to take the unit in for repair GULP I had no idea how expensive new welders that will do TIG and 300 amp are. My worry, and I've seen this happen, I get a call a few days later saying sorry can't fix your machine, the bill is $1000. BUT if you buy our new box for too much $ we'll forget about the repair bill. Karl |
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buy one at auction
On 2015-05-26, Karl Townsend wrote: Have you used this machine since the lightning strike last summer and it worked okay? You probably don't unplug it and some of the electronics in it could easily be damaged by a good lightning hit. I remember you telling about the lightning hit and several items it messed up. Don't remember if you turned any of it in on your insurance though, which is why I'm mentioning it. actually, I have to unplug it. There's a serious humm when turned off and plugged in. I'm going to have to take the unit in for repair GULP I had no idea how expensive new welders that will do TIG and 300 amp are. My worry, and I've seen this happen, I get a call a few days later saying sorry can't fix your machine, the bill is $1000. BUT if you buy our new box for too much $ we'll forget about the repair bill. Karl |
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On Tue, 26 May 2015 05:41:47 -0500, Karl Townsend
wrote: Have you used this machine since the lightning strike last summer and it worked okay? You probably don't unplug it and some of the electronics in it could easily be damaged by a good lightning hit. I remember you telling about the lightning hit and several items it messed up. Don't remember if you turned any of it in on your insurance though, which is why I'm mentioning it. actually, I have to unplug it. There's a serious humm when turned off and plugged in. I'm going to have to take the unit in for repair GULP I had no idea how expensive new welders that will do TIG and 300 amp are. My worry, and I've seen this happen, I get a call a few days later saying sorry can't fix your machine, the bill is $1000. BUT if you buy our new box for too much $ we'll forget about the repair bill. And you go to pick up the old box and find that none of the cover screws have been tampered with, so you throw the bill in their face and walk out with it. BTDT with friends' equipment before. -- In the depth of winter, I finally learned that within me there lay an invincible summer. -- Albert Camus |
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On Tue, 26 May 2015 05:41:47 -0500
Karl Townsend wrote: snip I'm going to have to take the unit in for repair GULP I had no idea how expensive new welders that will do TIG and 300 amp are. My worry, and I've seen this happen, I get a call a few days later saying sorry can't fix your machine, the bill is $1000. BUT if you buy our new box for too much $ we'll forget about the repair bill. If you want to go new and cheap you might want to consider Everlast: http://www.amazon.com/Everlast-Power...dp/B0081BEULK/ Make sure you read through the reviews first. Some people have had problems and of course some people seem to be pretty happy with it... Welding Tips And Tricks.com has some info too: http://www.everlastgenerators.com/fo...verlast-250-EX You can get some idea of new prices by searching on Amazon. Like: http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_no...ler+tig+welder It looks like the Miller Dynasty 200 DX is going for $4275. The old Miller DialArc was a hell of a welder. It could be configured with HF AC/DC Tig. Weighs a ton but you may find a used one for sale in your area. Came in several different amperages, sometimes only AC/DC and no Tig so be careful when shopping. -- Leon Fisk Grand Rapids MI/Zone 5b Remove no.spam for email |
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On Tue, 26 May 2015 10:24:26 -0400, Leon Fisk
wrote: The old Miller DialArc was a hell of a welder. It could be configured with HF AC/DC Tig. Weighs a ton but you may find a used one for sale in your area. Came in several different amperages, sometimes only AC/DC and no Tig so be careful when shopping. Ive got a DialArc 250 (stick) under my welding bench. The old bitch has been bullet proof for the 15 years Ive owned her, and she was elderly when I got her. Every couple years I take an air hose to her and blow out the black widows and dust bunnies. Works a treat and I expect it to keep working. Cost me $50 and a set of leads. Ive used the HF-Tig versions..they work just as well. Gunner |
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On Tue, 26 May 2015 06:52:31 -0500, Ignoramus24841
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On Tue, 26 May 2015 10:24:26 -0400, Leon Fisk
wrote: On Tue, 26 May 2015 05:41:47 -0500 Karl Townsend wrote: snip I'm going to have to take the unit in for repair GULP I had no idea how expensive new welders that will do TIG and 300 amp are. My worry, and I've seen this happen, I get a call a few days later saying sorry can't fix your machine, the bill is $1000. BUT if you buy our new box for too much $ we'll forget about the repair bill. If you want to go new and cheap you might want to consider Everlast: I'm only looking at blue boxes. Karl |
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On 2015-05-26, Karl Townsend wrote:
On Tue, 26 May 2015 10:24:26 -0400, Leon Fisk wrote: On Tue, 26 May 2015 05:41:47 -0500 Karl Townsend wrote: snip I'm going to have to take the unit in for repair GULP I had no idea how expensive new welders that will do TIG and 300 amp are. My worry, and I've seen this happen, I get a call a few days later saying sorry can't fix your machine, the bill is $1000. BUT if you buy our new box for too much $ we'll forget about the repair bill. If you want to go new and cheap you might want to consider Everlast: I'm only looking at blue boxes. I bet that your welder would still keep running, if it was blue. i |
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