What's with all the hats (men) that I see in restaurants? Where did these people learn their manners? It doesn't surprise me to see this on a 35 and under age gent. But gees, some of these guys are way older than me (72) and come in with wives that are nicely dressed. Baseball caps? Come on!
I realize that I'm old fashioned (still stand up when a lady approaches or leaves a table, or enters a room) but I'm convinced that these very same geezers would not have worn a hat indoors 30 years ago, but they do today. What has happened?

Ivan Vegvary

Ivan Vegvary wrote:
What's with all the hats (men) that I see in restaurants? Where did these people learn their manners? It doesn't surprise me to see this on a 35 and under age gent. But gees, some of these guys are way older than me (72) and come in with wives that are nicely dressed. Baseball caps? Come on!
I realize that I'm old fashioned (still stand up when a lady approaches or leaves a table, or enters a room) but I'm convinced that these very same geezers would not have worn a hat indoors 30 years ago, but they do today. What has happened?

They didn't learn (old) manners is the simple answer.

Some banks still post a take off your hat sign at the door, but I suspect
this is not about manners.

On Thu, 21 May 2015 07:51:01 -0700 (PDT)
Ivan Vegvary wrote:

What's with all the hats (men) that I see in restaurants? Where did these people learn their manners? It doesn't surprise me to see this on a 35 and under age gent. But gees, some of these guys are way older than me (72) and come in with wives that are nicely dressed. Baseball caps? Come on!
I realize that I'm old fashioned (still stand up when a lady approaches or leaves a table, or enters a room) but I'm convinced that these very same geezers would not have worn a hat indoors 30 years ago, but they do today. What has happened?

I haven't been out to eat like that for many years...

As to wearing hats though, my hair is always a mess and I have a lot of
it. So I mostly wear a hat just to hide all the messed up hair. At
least the hair on top, don't worry too much about the ponytail. Having
a sun/rain visor is nice too. Wearing glasses makes it especially so
when it's raining.

At this age I really don't care much what other people think. I just
try to be clean and courteous and let the chips fall wherever they
do... There are places though where I will take it off and leave it in
my vehicle.

--
Leon Fisk
Grand Rapids MI/Zone 5b
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On Thu, 21 May 2015 07:51:01 -0700 (PDT), Ivan Vegvary
wrote:

What's with all the hats (men) that I see in restaurants? Where did these people learn their manners?
It doesn't surprise me to see this on a 35 and under age gent. But gees, some of these guys are way
older than me (72) and come in with wives that are nicely dressed. Baseball caps? Come on!
I realize that I'm old fashioned (still stand up when a lady approaches or leaves a
table, or enters a room) but I'm convinced that these very same geezers would not have worn a
hat indoors 30 years ago, but they do today. What has happened?

Ivan Vegvary

Maybe they're going bald? At least they're wearing the baseball caps
the right way 'round, right?

Yes, times have changed and it's now quite acceptable to wear a hat
indoors particularly when such hat is worn for style rather than
utilitarian purposes. If it's a sopping wet Sou'Wester hat that you
just wore while working outside, then you should take it off.

It's also okay to listen to music in public on headphones, play with
your phone (this one is arguable), take photos of your food with said
phone before you eat it etc.


--
Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
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In article ,
Ivan Vegvary wrote:

What has happened?

They are embarrassed about going bald. 30 years ago they'd have had a
bad combover or a toupee - now they just wear a hat all the time.

--
Cats, coffee, chocolate...vices to live by
Please don't feed the trolls. Killfile and ignore them so they will go away.

On 5/21/2015 10:51 AM, Ivan Vegvary wrote:
What's with all the hats (men) that I see in restaurants? Where did
these people learn their manners? It doesn't surprise me to see this
on a 35 and under age gent. But gees, some of these guys are way
older than me (72) and come in with wives that are nicely dressed.
Baseball caps? Come on! I realize that I'm old fashioned (still
stand up when a lady approaches or leaves a table, or enters a room)
but I'm convinced that these very same geezers would not have worn a
hat indoors 30 years ago, but they do today. What has happened?

Ivan Vegvary


I still have a hard time with guys that don't wear coats and ties to
restaurants.

On Thu, 21 May 2015 07:51:01 -0700 (PDT), Ivan Vegvary
wrote:

What's with all the hats (men) that I see in restaurants? Where did these people learn their manners? It doesn't surprise me to see this on a 35 and under age gent. But gees, some of these guys are way older than me (72) and come in with wives that are nicely dressed. Baseball caps? Come on!
I realize that I'm old fashioned (still stand up when a lady approaches or leaves a table, or enters a room) but I'm convinced that these very same geezers would not have worn a hat indoors 30 years ago, but they do today. What has happened?

Ivan Vegvary
Heard about the guy who only tanned to about an inch above his eyes -
he went to all kinds of specialists and no-one could tell him what the
problem was, so he took to wearing a ball-cap all the time (which
obviously didn't help, but hid the problem). One day he was at a new
barber's getting his hair cut and the barber noticed and asked him
what he did for a living. The guy said he was a lawyer, and the barber
said "I knew it - all lawyers are full of ****, and you are down a
quart!"

On Thu, 21 May 2015 07:51:01 -0700 (PDT), Ivan Vegvary
wrote:

What's with all the hats (men) that I see in restaurants? Where did these people learn their manners? It doesn't surprise me to see this on a 35 and under age gent. But gees, some of these guys are way older than me (72) and come in with wives that are nicely dressed. Baseball caps? Come on!
I realize that I'm old fashioned (still stand up when a lady approaches or leaves a table, or enters a room) but I'm convinced that these very same geezers would not have worn a hat indoors 30 years ago, but they do today. What has happened?

It's not just hats, but all manners have seemingly disappeared from
public, and from all ages. I don't understand why, either, except
that the entire American culture is increasingly decadent. A -whole-
lot more than the hippies used to cry about. None of the immigrants
are blending in with us or learning our language or customs, so that
creates more division. Attorneys, the gov't, and schools fight for
the bad guys nowadays. Our CONgress and the sitting President (an
illegal immigrant) ignore the Constitution right and left, then pass
bills that nobody seems to have read. We're imploding, Ivan. Hang
on. The next (our last?) few years are gonna be ROUGH...

--
Live in the sunshine, swim the sea, drink the wild air…
-- Ralph Waldo Emerson

The Baseball hat as you call them is a massive industry. Every vendor
hands them out. John Deer has given me several now. One special.
I have Fraternal hats.

Hats on some of the guys are hiding bald spots or burnt off from Cancer
Treatments.

The large bill protects sensitive eyes - grand folks stayed in or wore
larger hats.

Hats are considered common wear now days. If a Large felt hat, it comes
off. If ball cap or the like it doesn't. I take off my Cowboy and
wool hat, sometimes my ball hat (have about 60 of them) so it is common.

Martin

On 5/21/2015 9:51 AM, Ivan Vegvary wrote:
What's with all the hats (men) that I see in restaurants? Where did these people learn their manners? It doesn't surprise me to see this on a 35 and under age gent. But gees, some of these guys are way older than me (72) and come in with wives that are nicely dressed. Baseball caps? Come on!
I realize that I'm old fashioned (still stand up when a lady approaches or leaves a table, or enters a room) but I'm convinced that these very same geezers would not have worn a hat indoors 30 years ago, but they do today. What has happened?

Ivan Vegvary

On Thu, 21 May 2015 21:23:12 -0400, Tom Gardner
wrote:

On 5/21/2015 10:51 AM, Ivan Vegvary wrote:
What's with all the hats (men) that I see in restaurants? Where did
these people learn their manners? It doesn't surprise me to see this
on a 35 and under age gent. But gees, some of these guys are way
older than me (72) and come in with wives that are nicely dressed.
Baseball caps? Come on! I realize that I'm old fashioned (still
stand up when a lady approaches or leaves a table, or enters a room)
but I'm convinced that these very same geezers would not have worn a
hat indoors 30 years ago, but they do today. What has happened?

Ivan Vegvary


I still have a hard time with guys that don't wear coats and ties to
restaurants.

Says the guy in the pink TUTU...


This just in:
https://www.gizmag.com/anty-gin-dist...ood-ants/37617

--
Live in the sunshine, swim the sea, drink the wild air…
-- Ralph Waldo Emerson

"Tom Gardner" wrote in message
...
On 5/21/2015 10:51 AM, Ivan Vegvary wrote:
What's with all the hats (men) that I see in restaurants? Where
did
these people learn their manners? It doesn't surprise me to see
this
on a 35 and under age gent. But gees, some of these guys are way
older than me (72) and come in with wives that are nicely dressed.
Baseball caps? Come on! I realize that I'm old fashioned (still
stand up when a lady approaches or leaves a table, or enters a
room)
but I'm convinced that these very same geezers would not have worn
a
hat indoors 30 years ago, but they do today. What has happened?

Ivan Vegvary


I still have a hard time with guys that don't wear coats and ties to
restaurants.

The growing electronics industry went to jeans and tee shirts back in
the 60's, in reaction to IBM and Xerox's strict white-shirt dress
codes.

Fashion-conscious New York magazine writers who visited the Segway
factory noticed and commented on our very relaxed "dress code", though
it's not much different from Broadway stage crew attire.
http://performingarts.about.com/od/S...Stage-Crew.htm
"...the uniform should involve the standard black work slacks or
pants, and a black polo, tee or pullover style shirt."

-jsw

On Thu, 21 May 2015 21:23:12 -0400, Tom Gardner
wrote:

On 5/21/2015 10:51 AM, Ivan Vegvary wrote:
What's with all the hats (men) that I see in restaurants? Where did
these people learn their manners? It doesn't surprise me to see this
on a 35 and under age gent. But gees, some of these guys are way
older than me (72) and come in with wives that are nicely dressed.
Baseball caps? Come on! I realize that I'm old fashioned (still
stand up when a lady approaches or leaves a table, or enters a room)
but I'm convinced that these very same geezers would not have worn a
hat indoors 30 years ago, but they do today. What has happened?

Ivan Vegvary


I still have a hard time with guys that don't wear coats and ties to
restaurants.

I'm from Texas. Too hot here for that. I wear ties to weddings and
funerals, and even that is becoming less common.

Pete Keillor

On Fri, 22 May 2015 07:32:55 -0400, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote:

"Tom Gardner" wrote in message
...
On 5/21/2015 10:51 AM, Ivan Vegvary wrote:
What's with all the hats (men) that I see in restaurants? Where
did
these people learn their manners? It doesn't surprise me to see
this
on a 35 and under age gent. But gees, some of these guys are way
older than me (72) and come in with wives that are nicely dressed.
Baseball caps? Come on! I realize that I'm old fashioned (still
stand up when a lady approaches or leaves a table, or enters a
room)
but I'm convinced that these very same geezers would not have worn
a
hat indoors 30 years ago, but they do today. What has happened?

Ivan Vegvary


I still have a hard time with guys that don't wear coats and ties to
restaurants.

The growing electronics industry went to jeans and tee shirts back in
the 60's, in reaction to IBM and Xerox's strict white-shirt dress
codes.

Fashion-conscious New York magazine writers who visited the Segway
factory noticed and commented on our very relaxed "dress code", though
it's not much different from Broadway stage crew attire.
http://performingarts.about.com/od/S...Stage-Crew.htm
"...the uniform should involve the standard black work slacks or
pants, and a black polo, tee or pullover style shirt."

-jsw


The scope of RCM conversations continues to expand. Who would have
thought that we'd be evaluating fashion trends?

To be really sensitive to proper attire, you have to evaluate the
environment you're entering. For example, I have several CAT caps,
with specific models of earth-moving equipment embroidered on them. Do
I wear the one with the front-end loader or the bulldozer? It depends
on whether I'm dining in Aurora or Joliet.

And my college-team baseball caps -- Washinton & Lee, or Georgetown?
Will I be overdressed if I wear the Princeton cap?

Not at "21" in NYC. But probably at Tony's I-75 Restaurant in Flint.
Consult first with your fashion advisor.

--
Ed Huntress

"Ed Huntress" wrote in message
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On Fri, 22 May 2015 07:32:55 -0400, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote:

"Tom Gardner" wrote in message
...
On 5/21/2015 10:51 AM, Ivan Vegvary wrote:
What's with all the hats (men) that I see in restaurants? Where
did
these people learn their manners? It doesn't surprise me to see
this
on a 35 and under age gent. But gees, some of these guys are way
older than me (72) and come in with wives that are nicely
dressed.
Baseball caps? Come on! I realize that I'm old fashioned (still
stand up when a lady approaches or leaves a table, or enters a
room)
but I'm convinced that these very same geezers would not have
worn
a
hat indoors 30 years ago, but they do today. What has happened?

Ivan Vegvary


I still have a hard time with guys that don't wear coats and ties
to
restaurants.

The growing electronics industry went to jeans and tee shirts back
in
the 60's, in reaction to IBM and Xerox's strict white-shirt dress
codes.

Fashion-conscious New York magazine writers who visited the Segway
factory noticed and commented on our very relaxed "dress code",
though
it's not much different from Broadway stage crew attire.
http://performingarts.about.com/od/S...Stage-Crew.htm
"...the uniform should involve the standard black work slacks or
pants, and a black polo, tee or pullover style shirt."

-jsw


The scope of RCM conversations continues to expand. Who would have
thought that we'd be evaluating fashion trends?

To be really sensitive to proper attire, you have to evaluate the
environment you're entering. For example, I have several CAT caps,
with specific models of earth-moving equipment embroidered on them.
Do
I wear the one with the front-end loader or the bulldozer? It
depends
on whether I'm dining in Aurora or Joliet.

And my college-team baseball caps -- Washinton & Lee, or Georgetown?
Will I be overdressed if I wear the Princeton cap?

Not at "21" in NYC. But probably at Tony's I-75 Restaurant in Flint.
Consult first with your fashion advisor.

--
Ed Huntress

When visiting auto factories the correct fashion is to be driving
their product. Some of the engineers (not me!) had ****ed off the
secretary and she retaliated with flights and rental cars, so I
arrived at the GM plant in Flint in an AMC Pacer.

-jsw

On Fri, 22 May 2015 10:36:58 -0400, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote:

"Ed Huntress" wrote in message
.. .
On Fri, 22 May 2015 07:32:55 -0400, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote:

"Tom Gardner" wrote in message
...
On 5/21/2015 10:51 AM, Ivan Vegvary wrote:
What's with all the hats (men) that I see in restaurants? Where
did
these people learn their manners? It doesn't surprise me to see
this
on a 35 and under age gent. But gees, some of these guys are way
older than me (72) and come in with wives that are nicely
dressed.
Baseball caps? Come on! I realize that I'm old fashioned (still
stand up when a lady approaches or leaves a table, or enters a
room)
but I'm convinced that these very same geezers would not have
worn
a
hat indoors 30 years ago, but they do today. What has happened?

Ivan Vegvary


I still have a hard time with guys that don't wear coats and ties
to
restaurants.

The growing electronics industry went to jeans and tee shirts back
in
the 60's, in reaction to IBM and Xerox's strict white-shirt dress
codes.

Fashion-conscious New York magazine writers who visited the Segway
factory noticed and commented on our very relaxed "dress code",
though
it's not much different from Broadway stage crew attire.
http://performingarts.about.com/od/S...Stage-Crew.htm
"...the uniform should involve the standard black work slacks or
pants, and a black polo, tee or pullover style shirt."

-jsw


The scope of RCM conversations continues to expand. Who would have
thought that we'd be evaluating fashion trends?

To be really sensitive to proper attire, you have to evaluate the
environment you're entering. For example, I have several CAT caps,
with specific models of earth-moving equipment embroidered on them.
Do
I wear the one with the front-end loader or the bulldozer? It
depends
on whether I'm dining in Aurora or Joliet.

And my college-team baseball caps -- Washinton & Lee, or Georgetown?
Will I be overdressed if I wear the Princeton cap?

Not at "21" in NYC. But probably at Tony's I-75 Restaurant in Flint.
Consult first with your fashion advisor.

--
Ed Huntress

When visiting auto factories the correct fashion is to be driving
their product. Some of the engineers (not me!) had ****ed off the
secretary and she retaliated with flights and rental cars, so I
arrived at the GM plant in Flint in an AMC Pacer.

-jsw

Oh, yeah. My son is in that spot. He has my Ford, but his current
client is not-Ford. So his company rents him one of those not-Fords
every Monday. g

--
Ed Huntress

"Ed Huntress" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 22 May 2015 10:36:58 -0400, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote:

"Ed Huntress" wrote in message
. ..
On Fri, 22 May 2015 07:32:55 -0400, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote:

"Tom Gardner" wrote in message
...
On 5/21/2015 10:51 AM, Ivan Vegvary wrote:
What's with all the hats (men) that I see in restaurants?
Where
did
these people learn their manners? It doesn't surprise me to
see
this
on a 35 and under age gent. But gees, some of these guys are
way
older than me (72) and come in with wives that are nicely
dressed.
Baseball caps? Come on! I realize that I'm old fashioned
(still
stand up when a lady approaches or leaves a table, or enters a
room)
but I'm convinced that these very same geezers would not have
worn
a
hat indoors 30 years ago, but they do today. What has
happened?

Ivan Vegvary


I still have a hard time with guys that don't wear coats and
ties
to
restaurants.

The growing electronics industry went to jeans and tee shirts back
in
the 60's, in reaction to IBM and Xerox's strict white-shirt dress
codes.

Fashion-conscious New York magazine writers who visited the Segway
factory noticed and commented on our very relaxed "dress code",
though
it's not much different from Broadway stage crew attire.
http://performingarts.about.com/od/S...Stage-Crew.htm
"...the uniform should involve the standard black work slacks or
pants, and a black polo, tee or pullover style shirt."

-jsw


The scope of RCM conversations continues to expand. Who would have
thought that we'd be evaluating fashion trends?

To be really sensitive to proper attire, you have to evaluate the
environment you're entering. For example, I have several CAT caps,
with specific models of earth-moving equipment embroidered on
them.
Do
I wear the one with the front-end loader or the bulldozer? It
depends
on whether I'm dining in Aurora or Joliet.

And my college-team baseball caps -- Washinton & Lee, or
Georgetown?
Will I be overdressed if I wear the Princeton cap?

Not at "21" in NYC. But probably at Tony's I-75 Restaurant in
Flint.
Consult first with your fashion advisor.

--
Ed Huntress

When visiting auto factories the correct fashion is to be driving
their product. Some of the engineers (not me!) had ****ed off the
secretary and she retaliated with flights and rental cars, so I
arrived at the GM plant in Flint in an AMC Pacer.

-jsw

Oh, yeah. My son is in that spot. He has my Ford, but his current
client is not-Ford. So his company rents him one of those not-Fords
every Monday. g

--
Ed Huntress

In 1974 some GM bigwigs came out to check the progress on the
seatbelt-interlock-module test station we were building for them, in a
small backwoods town notable only for its wooden covered bridge.

The interlock was defective in the GM car they rented in Boston so
they drove for two hours with the buzzer blaring. Their superior
attitude wilted when we went out and silenced it for them in about 3
seconds.

-jsw

On Fri, 22 May 2015 10:36:58 -0400, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote:

"Ed Huntress" wrote in message
.. .
On Fri, 22 May 2015 07:32:55 -0400, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote:

"Tom Gardner" wrote in message
...
On 5/21/2015 10:51 AM, Ivan Vegvary wrote:
What's with all the hats (men) that I see in restaurants? Where
did
these people learn their manners? It doesn't surprise me to see
this
on a 35 and under age gent. But gees, some of these guys are way
older than me (72) and come in with wives that are nicely
dressed.
Baseball caps? Come on! I realize that I'm old fashioned (still
stand up when a lady approaches or leaves a table, or enters a
room)
but I'm convinced that these very same geezers would not have
worn
a
hat indoors 30 years ago, but they do today. What has happened?

Ivan Vegvary


I still have a hard time with guys that don't wear coats and ties
to
restaurants.

The growing electronics industry went to jeans and tee shirts back
in
the 60's, in reaction to IBM and Xerox's strict white-shirt dress
codes.

Fashion-conscious New York magazine writers who visited the Segway
factory noticed and commented on our very relaxed "dress code",
though
it's not much different from Broadway stage crew attire.
http://performingarts.about.com/od/S...Stage-Crew.htm
"...the uniform should involve the standard black work slacks or
pants, and a black polo, tee or pullover style shirt."

-jsw


The scope of RCM conversations continues to expand. Who would have
thought that we'd be evaluating fashion trends?

To be really sensitive to proper attire, you have to evaluate the
environment you're entering. For example, I have several CAT caps,
with specific models of earth-moving equipment embroidered on them.
Do
I wear the one with the front-end loader or the bulldozer? It
depends
on whether I'm dining in Aurora or Joliet.

And my college-team baseball caps -- Washinton & Lee, or Georgetown?
Will I be overdressed if I wear the Princeton cap?

Not at "21" in NYC. But probably at Tony's I-75 Restaurant in Flint.
Consult first with your fashion advisor.

--
Ed Huntress

When visiting auto factories the correct fashion is to be driving
their product. Some of the engineers (not me!) had ****ed off the
secretary and she retaliated with flights and rental cars, so I
arrived at the GM plant in Flint in an AMC Pacer.

That's OK. Anything made by AMC far outclasses anything GM-made.
Check the visuals on Consumer Reports for nearly any year since they
started them. Honda's on top, GM is on the bottom.

I -truly- miss my old 1970 AMC Javelin.

--
Live in the sunshine, swim the sea, drink the wild air…
-- Ralph Waldo Emerson

On Fri, 22 May 2015 11:17:37 -0400, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote:

In 1974 some GM bigwigs came out to check the progress on the
seatbelt-interlock-module test station we were building for them, in a
small backwoods town notable only for its wooden covered bridge.

The interlock was defective in the GM car they rented in Boston so
they drove for two hours with the buzzer blaring. Their superior
attitude wilted when we went out and silenced it for them in about 3
seconds.

So it was YOU! I used to do that by removing the fuse to the
interlock for customers, but then GM got 'smart' and wired the
ignition through that same fuse.

--
Live in the sunshine, swim the sea, drink the wild air…
-- Ralph Waldo Emerson

On Fri, 22 May 2015 08:14:35 -0400, Ed Huntress
wrote:

On Fri, 22 May 2015 07:32:55 -0400, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote:

"Tom Gardner" wrote in message
...
On 5/21/2015 10:51 AM, Ivan Vegvary wrote:
What's with all the hats (men) that I see in restaurants? Where
did
these people learn their manners? It doesn't surprise me to see
this
on a 35 and under age gent. But gees, some of these guys are way
older than me (72) and come in with wives that are nicely dressed.
Baseball caps? Come on! I realize that I'm old fashioned (still
stand up when a lady approaches or leaves a table, or enters a
room)
but I'm convinced that these very same geezers would not have worn
a
hat indoors 30 years ago, but they do today. What has happened?

Ivan Vegvary


I still have a hard time with guys that don't wear coats and ties to
restaurants.

The growing electronics industry went to jeans and tee shirts back in
the 60's, in reaction to IBM and Xerox's strict white-shirt dress
codes.

Fashion-conscious New York magazine writers who visited the Segway
factory noticed and commented on our very relaxed "dress code", though
it's not much different from Broadway stage crew attire.
http://performingarts.about.com/od/S...Stage-Crew.htm
"...the uniform should involve the standard black work slacks or
pants, and a black polo, tee or pullover style shirt."

-jsw


The scope of RCM conversations continues to expand. Who would have
thought that we'd be evaluating fashion trends?

To be really sensitive to proper attire, you have to evaluate the
environment you're entering. For example, I have several CAT caps,
with specific models of earth-moving equipment embroidered on them. Do
I wear the one with the front-end loader or the bulldozer? It depends
on whether I'm dining in Aurora or Joliet.

And my college-team baseball caps -- Washinton & Lee, or Georgetown?
Will I be overdressed if I wear the Princeton cap?

Not at "21" in NYC. But probably at Tony's I-75 Restaurant in Flint.
Consult first with your fashion advisor.


Well, I think that a "proper dress code" should be of interest to a
"working man". I was the manager of a construction company in
Indonesia and certainly when you walked in the door I formed an
initial impression of you from the clothes you wore.

I had an Australian bloke come in, wearing a dirty wife beater, filthy
shorts and rubber flip-flops and apparently hadn't had a bath in some
time either. Said he was looking for a job and I told him "sorry mate,
we are full up at the moment - but maybe in a few months if we get
another contract ...". Never even asked what he did for a living.

In another instance I had a Australian bloke came in wearing a clean
short sleeved shirt, long pants and serviceable shoes. He said, "I
don't know what you do but I'm broke and need a job and I can work
hard".

We interviewed him and eventually hired him as a "Logistics
Supervisor". He worked a two year contract for us and when you asked
him "what about that part for Rig 2", he'd flip his book open and say,
"Yup, they ordered that on the 17th, none in stock, we ordered it from
Singapore on the morning of the 18th and it will be on the afternoon
airplane on the 20th".

The dirty shirt didn't even get interviewed and the clean shirt did...

--
Cheers,

John B.

"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 22 May 2015 10:36:58 -0400, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote:


When visiting auto factories the correct fashion is to be driving
their product. Some of the engineers (not me!) had ****ed off the
secretary and she retaliated with flights and rental cars, so I
arrived at the GM plant in Flint in an AMC Pacer.

That's OK. Anything made by AMC far outclasses anything GM-made.
Check the visuals on Consumer Reports for nearly any year since they
started them. Honda's on top, GM is on the bottom.

I -truly- miss my old 1970 AMC Javelin.

I did like driving it, the trouble was that it looked like something a
French chef caught in a swamp.
http://content.time.com/time/special...658042,00.html

I hid it in the back of the parking lot, behind an equally offensive
(to GM, not me) Honda Civic.

Small, low-profit cars in general were BAD. In private Chevette was
pronounced Shove-it.

When foreign economy cars held 18% of the market they weren't worth
competing with. At 22% they became a national threat that demanded
goverrnment action.

-jsw

On Sat, 23 May 2015 09:26:58 +0700, John B.
wrote:

On Fri, 22 May 2015 08:14:35 -0400, Ed Huntress
wrote:

On Fri, 22 May 2015 07:32:55 -0400, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote:

"Tom Gardner" wrote in message
...
On 5/21/2015 10:51 AM, Ivan Vegvary wrote:
What's with all the hats (men) that I see in restaurants? Where
did
these people learn their manners? It doesn't surprise me to see
this
on a 35 and under age gent. But gees, some of these guys are way
older than me (72) and come in with wives that are nicely dressed.
Baseball caps? Come on! I realize that I'm old fashioned (still
stand up when a lady approaches or leaves a table, or enters a
room)
but I'm convinced that these very same geezers would not have worn
a
hat indoors 30 years ago, but they do today. What has happened?

Ivan Vegvary


I still have a hard time with guys that don't wear coats and ties to
restaurants.

The growing electronics industry went to jeans and tee shirts back in
the 60's, in reaction to IBM and Xerox's strict white-shirt dress
codes.

Fashion-conscious New York magazine writers who visited the Segway
factory noticed and commented on our very relaxed "dress code", though
it's not much different from Broadway stage crew attire.
http://performingarts.about.com/od/S...Stage-Crew.htm
"...the uniform should involve the standard black work slacks or
pants, and a black polo, tee or pullover style shirt."

-jsw


The scope of RCM conversations continues to expand. Who would have
thought that we'd be evaluating fashion trends?

To be really sensitive to proper attire, you have to evaluate the
environment you're entering. For example, I have several CAT caps,
with specific models of earth-moving equipment embroidered on them. Do
I wear the one with the front-end loader or the bulldozer? It depends
on whether I'm dining in Aurora or Joliet.

And my college-team baseball caps -- Washinton & Lee, or Georgetown?
Will I be overdressed if I wear the Princeton cap?

Not at "21" in NYC. But probably at Tony's I-75 Restaurant in Flint.
Consult first with your fashion advisor.


Well, I think that a "proper dress code" should be of interest to a
"working man". I was the manager of a construction company in
Indonesia and certainly when you walked in the door I formed an
initial impression of you from the clothes you wore.

I had an Australian bloke come in, wearing a dirty wife beater, filthy
shorts and rubber flip-flops and apparently hadn't had a bath in some
time either. Said he was looking for a job and I told him "sorry mate,
we are full up at the moment - but maybe in a few months if we get
another contract ...". Never even asked what he did for a living.

In another instance I had a Australian bloke came in wearing a clean
short sleeved shirt, long pants and serviceable shoes. He said, "I
don't know what you do but I'm broke and need a job and I can work
hard".

We interviewed him and eventually hired him as a "Logistics
Supervisor". He worked a two year contract for us and when you asked
him "what about that part for Rig 2", he'd flip his book open and say,
"Yup, they ordered that on the 17th, none in stock, we ordered it from
Singapore on the morning of the 18th and it will be on the afternoon
airplane on the 20th".

The dirty shirt didn't even get interviewed and the clean shirt did...

I think the issue here was not filth, but rather a cultural conflict
in the US over attire. It's an indigenous thing.

There are two groups that resist conventional dress: rednecks and
hipsters. I mean "rednecks" not in a disparaging way, but in the
self-identifying way they use the term themselves. Think of it as
anti-cosmopolitan culture -- country music, pickup trucks, and all
that. My sardonic post was a spoof on them. It's not whether you wear
a billed cap, but rather which one is appropriate for certain
circumstances -- a black-tie/white-tie kind of thing. g

If you frequent trendy restaurants in big cities, you run into another
take on attire -- the hipsters. They're anti-establishment but very
cosmopolitan. They might wear a corduroy cap with the name of an
obscure Belgian craft brewery on it.

I sometimes wear suits and ties to **** both of them off. d8-)

--
Ed Huntress

On Thu, 21 May 2015 21:23:12 -0400, Tom Gardner
wrote:

On 5/21/2015 10:51 AM, Ivan Vegvary wrote:
What's with all the hats (men) that I see in restaurants? Where did
these people learn their manners? It doesn't surprise me to see this
on a 35 and under age gent. But gees, some of these guys are way
older than me (72) and come in with wives that are nicely dressed.
Baseball caps? Come on! I realize that I'm old fashioned (still
stand up when a lady approaches or leaves a table, or enters a room)
but I'm convinced that these very same geezers would not have worn a
hat indoors 30 years ago, but they do today. What has happened?

Ivan Vegvary


I still have a hard time with guys that don't wear coats and ties to
restaurants.

Easterners...sigh...

On Sat, 23 May 2015 09:02:10 -0400, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote:

"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
.. .
On Fri, 22 May 2015 10:36:58 -0400, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote:


When visiting auto factories the correct fashion is to be driving
their product. Some of the engineers (not me!) had ****ed off the
secretary and she retaliated with flights and rental cars, so I
arrived at the GM plant in Flint in an AMC Pacer.

That's OK. Anything made by AMC far outclasses anything GM-made.
Check the visuals on Consumer Reports for nearly any year since they
started them. Honda's on top, GM is on the bottom.

I -truly- miss my old 1970 AMC Javelin.

I did like driving it, the trouble was that it looked like something a
French chef caught in a swamp.
http://content.time.com/time/special...658042,00.html

Ayup, BFU. g


I hid it in the back of the parking lot, behind an equally offensive
(to GM, not me) Honda Civic.

Small, low-profit cars in general were BAD. In private Chevette was
pronounced Shove-it.

And don't forget the Veg-a-Matics.


When foreign economy cars held 18% of the market they weren't worth
competing with. At 22% they became a national threat that demanded
goverrnment action.

And look how well that turned out for everyone!

--
Win first, Fight later.

--martial principle of the Samurai

On Sat, 23 May 2015 13:58:06 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote:

On Sat, 23 May 2015 09:02:10 -0400, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote:

"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
. ..
On Fri, 22 May 2015 10:36:58 -0400, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote:


When visiting auto factories the correct fashion is to be driving
their product. Some of the engineers (not me!) had ****ed off the
secretary and she retaliated with flights and rental cars, so I
arrived at the GM plant in Flint in an AMC Pacer.

That's OK. Anything made by AMC far outclasses anything GM-made.
Check the visuals on Consumer Reports for nearly any year since they
started them. Honda's on top, GM is on the bottom.

I -truly- miss my old 1970 AMC Javelin.

I did like driving it, the trouble was that it looked like something a
French chef caught in a swamp.
http://content.time.com/time/special...658042,00.html

Ayup, BFU. g


I hid it in the back of the parking lot, behind an equally offensive
(to GM, not me) Honda Civic.

Small, low-profit cars in general were BAD. In private Chevette was
pronounced Shove-it.

GM's biggest mistake with the Chevette was not installin dual
exhausts as standard equipment. It gets very difficult pushing a
wheelbarrow with only one handle.

And don't forget the Veg-a-Matics.


When foreign economy cars held 18% of the market they weren't worth
competing with. At 22% they became a national threat that demanded
goverrnment action.

And look how well that turned out for everyone!

On Sat, 23 May 2015 19:25:57 -0400, wrote:

GM's biggest mistake with the Chevette was not installin dual
exhausts as standard equipment. It gets very difficult pushing a
wheelbarrow with only one handle.

Har!


--
Win first, Fight later.

--martial principle of the Samurai

On Sat, 23 May 2015 09:02:10 -0400, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote:


Small, low-profit cars in general were BAD. In private Chevette was
pronounced Shove-it.

I bought (3) Chevettes from the local phone company at auction over a
10 yr period of time. Paid very little for each one, drove the ****
out of them, and sold them for far more than I paid for them.

I loved!! the Chevette.

Gunner

On Sat, 23 May 2015 09:03:30 -0400, Ed Huntress
wrote:

On Sat, 23 May 2015 09:26:58 +0700, John B.
wrote:

On Fri, 22 May 2015 08:14:35 -0400, Ed Huntress
wrote:

On Fri, 22 May 2015 07:32:55 -0400, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote:

"Tom Gardner" wrote in message
...
On 5/21/2015 10:51 AM, Ivan Vegvary wrote:
What's with all the hats (men) that I see in restaurants? Where
did
these people learn their manners? It doesn't surprise me to see
this
on a 35 and under age gent. But gees, some of these guys are way
older than me (72) and come in with wives that are nicely dressed.
Baseball caps? Come on! I realize that I'm old fashioned (still
stand up when a lady approaches or leaves a table, or enters a
room)
but I'm convinced that these very same geezers would not have worn
a
hat indoors 30 years ago, but they do today. What has happened?

Ivan Vegvary


I still have a hard time with guys that don't wear coats and ties to
restaurants.

The growing electronics industry went to jeans and tee shirts back in
the 60's, in reaction to IBM and Xerox's strict white-shirt dress
codes.

Fashion-conscious New York magazine writers who visited the Segway
factory noticed and commented on our very relaxed "dress code", though
it's not much different from Broadway stage crew attire.
http://performingarts.about.com/od/S...Stage-Crew.htm
"...the uniform should involve the standard black work slacks or
pants, and a black polo, tee or pullover style shirt."

-jsw


The scope of RCM conversations continues to expand. Who would have
thought that we'd be evaluating fashion trends?

To be really sensitive to proper attire, you have to evaluate the
environment you're entering. For example, I have several CAT caps,
with specific models of earth-moving equipment embroidered on them. Do
I wear the one with the front-end loader or the bulldozer? It depends
on whether I'm dining in Aurora or Joliet.

And my college-team baseball caps -- Washinton & Lee, or Georgetown?
Will I be overdressed if I wear the Princeton cap?

Not at "21" in NYC. But probably at Tony's I-75 Restaurant in Flint.
Consult first with your fashion advisor.


Well, I think that a "proper dress code" should be of interest to a
"working man". I was the manager of a construction company in
Indonesia and certainly when you walked in the door I formed an
initial impression of you from the clothes you wore.

I had an Australian bloke come in, wearing a dirty wife beater, filthy
shorts and rubber flip-flops and apparently hadn't had a bath in some
time either. Said he was looking for a job and I told him "sorry mate,
we are full up at the moment - but maybe in a few months if we get
another contract ...". Never even asked what he did for a living.

In another instance I had a Australian bloke came in wearing a clean
short sleeved shirt, long pants and serviceable shoes. He said, "I
don't know what you do but I'm broke and need a job and I can work
hard".

We interviewed him and eventually hired him as a "Logistics
Supervisor". He worked a two year contract for us and when you asked
him "what about that part for Rig 2", he'd flip his book open and say,
"Yup, they ordered that on the 17th, none in stock, we ordered it from
Singapore on the morning of the 18th and it will be on the afternoon
airplane on the 20th".

The dirty shirt didn't even get interviewed and the clean shirt did...

I think the issue here was not filth, but rather a cultural conflict
in the US over attire. It's an indigenous thing.

There are two groups that resist conventional dress: rednecks and
hipsters. I mean "rednecks" not in a disparaging way, but in the
self-identifying way they use the term themselves. Think of it as
anti-cosmopolitan culture -- country music, pickup trucks, and all
that. My sardonic post was a spoof on them. It's not whether you wear
a billed cap, but rather which one is appropriate for certain
circumstances -- a black-tie/white-tie kind of thing. g


You are right although I was talking in a more general way. But if you
want to apply for a job on an oil drilling it would be best to show up
in a clean blue work shirt, Levi's and Red Wing work boots. Probably
not today, but in years past the drawstring for a sack of flake
tobacco hanging out of a shirt pocket might be a good idea too :-)

If you frequent trendy restaurants in big cities, you run into another
take on attire -- the hipsters. They're anti-establishment but very
cosmopolitan. They might wear a corduroy cap with the name of an
obscure Belgian craft brewery on it.

I sometimes wear suits and ties to **** both of them off. d8-)
--
Cheers,

John B.

"Gunner Asch" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 23 May 2015 09:02:10 -0400, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote:


Small, low-profit cars in general were BAD. In private Chevette was
pronounced Shove-it.

I bought (3) Chevettes from the local phone company at auction over
a
10 yr period of time. Paid very little for each one, drove the ****
out of them, and sold them for far more than I paid for them.

I loved!! the Chevette.

Gunner

I carried Chevette-specific tools to help another tech fix his in the
company parking lot. It wasn't hard, just different, like needing a
5/16" (?) Allen key to replace brake pads.

A mechanical engineer friend drove his Vega over 100,000 miles without
a problem by paying attention to its preventative maintenance, mainly
fluid levels.

They weren't meant for owners whose religion opposed opening the hood.
The assumption was that buyers of small foreign cars were used to more
frequent maintenance, weekly for some British vehicles.

-jsw

On Sun, 24 May 2015 09:00:06 -0400, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote:

"Gunner Asch" wrote in message
.. .
On Sat, 23 May 2015 09:02:10 -0400, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote:


Small, low-profit cars in general were BAD. In private Chevette was
pronounced Shove-it.

I bought (3) Chevettes from the local phone company at auction over
a
10 yr period of time. Paid very little for each one, drove the ****
out of them, and sold them for far more than I paid for them.

I loved!! the Chevette.

Gunner

I carried Chevette-specific tools to help another tech fix his in the
company parking lot. It wasn't hard, just different, like needing a
5/16" (?) Allen key to replace brake pads.

A mechanical engineer friend drove his Vega over 100,000 miles without
a problem by paying attention to its preventative maintenance, mainly
fluid levels.

They weren't meant for owners whose religion opposed opening the hood.
The assumption was that buyers of small foreign cars were used to more
frequent maintenance, weekly for some British vehicles.

-jsw

The engine in the Chevette was an old number from Opel, in Germany. It
was the smaller answer to our old GM Iron Duke 4-cylinder. A really
basic engine, it was easy to tune and fix -- out of necessity. g

I had a variety of British cars, old and new. It was very thoughtful
of them to put things like an external knob on the distributor of the
old BMC B-engine (the 948 cc version), because you had to adjust
ignition timing about once every week. And the external jet-adjusting
nuts on S.U. carburators were likewise helpful for those weekly
tuneups, if your engine had two of them, because they were constantly
getting out of sync

I don't miss it, though. If your car is your hobby, that's one thing.
If it's your travel appliance, today's engines are a lot better.

--
Ed Huntress

On Sun, 24 May 2015 19:58:19 +0700, John B.
wrote:

On Sat, 23 May 2015 09:03:30 -0400, Ed Huntress
wrote:

On Sat, 23 May 2015 09:26:58 +0700, John B.
wrote:

On Fri, 22 May 2015 08:14:35 -0400, Ed Huntress
wrote:

On Fri, 22 May 2015 07:32:55 -0400, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote:

"Tom Gardner" wrote in message
...
On 5/21/2015 10:51 AM, Ivan Vegvary wrote:
What's with all the hats (men) that I see in restaurants? Where
did
these people learn their manners? It doesn't surprise me to see
this
on a 35 and under age gent. But gees, some of these guys are way
older than me (72) and come in with wives that are nicely dressed.
Baseball caps? Come on! I realize that I'm old fashioned (still
stand up when a lady approaches or leaves a table, or enters a
room)
but I'm convinced that these very same geezers would not have worn
a
hat indoors 30 years ago, but they do today. What has happened?

Ivan Vegvary


I still have a hard time with guys that don't wear coats and ties to
restaurants.

The growing electronics industry went to jeans and tee shirts back in
the 60's, in reaction to IBM and Xerox's strict white-shirt dress
codes.

Fashion-conscious New York magazine writers who visited the Segway
factory noticed and commented on our very relaxed "dress code", though
it's not much different from Broadway stage crew attire.
http://performingarts.about.com/od/S...Stage-Crew.htm
"...the uniform should involve the standard black work slacks or
pants, and a black polo, tee or pullover style shirt."

-jsw


The scope of RCM conversations continues to expand. Who would have
thought that we'd be evaluating fashion trends?

To be really sensitive to proper attire, you have to evaluate the
environment you're entering. For example, I have several CAT caps,
with specific models of earth-moving equipment embroidered on them. Do
I wear the one with the front-end loader or the bulldozer? It depends
on whether I'm dining in Aurora or Joliet.

And my college-team baseball caps -- Washinton & Lee, or Georgetown?
Will I be overdressed if I wear the Princeton cap?

Not at "21" in NYC. But probably at Tony's I-75 Restaurant in Flint.
Consult first with your fashion advisor.


Well, I think that a "proper dress code" should be of interest to a
"working man". I was the manager of a construction company in
Indonesia and certainly when you walked in the door I formed an
initial impression of you from the clothes you wore.

I had an Australian bloke come in, wearing a dirty wife beater, filthy
shorts and rubber flip-flops and apparently hadn't had a bath in some
time either. Said he was looking for a job and I told him "sorry mate,
we are full up at the moment - but maybe in a few months if we get
another contract ...". Never even asked what he did for a living.

In another instance I had a Australian bloke came in wearing a clean
short sleeved shirt, long pants and serviceable shoes. He said, "I
don't know what you do but I'm broke and need a job and I can work
hard".

We interviewed him and eventually hired him as a "Logistics
Supervisor". He worked a two year contract for us and when you asked
him "what about that part for Rig 2", he'd flip his book open and say,
"Yup, they ordered that on the 17th, none in stock, we ordered it from
Singapore on the morning of the 18th and it will be on the afternoon
airplane on the 20th".

The dirty shirt didn't even get interviewed and the clean shirt did...

I think the issue here was not filth, but rather a cultural conflict
in the US over attire. It's an indigenous thing.

There are two groups that resist conventional dress: rednecks and
hipsters. I mean "rednecks" not in a disparaging way, but in the
self-identifying way they use the term themselves. Think of it as
anti-cosmopolitan culture -- country music, pickup trucks, and all
that. My sardonic post was a spoof on them. It's not whether you wear
a billed cap, but rather which one is appropriate for certain
circumstances -- a black-tie/white-tie kind of thing. g


You are right although I was talking in a more general way. But if you
want to apply for a job on an oil drilling it would be best to show up
in a clean blue work shirt, Levi's and Red Wing work boots.

I think that's true everywhere, John. There is a lot more tolerance of
dress options these days, but not of dirt or sloppiness. If they don't
respect themselves, they probably won't respect their employer or
anyone else.

Probably
not today, but in years past the drawstring for a sack of flake
tobacco hanging out of a shirt pocket might be a good idea too :-)

Jeez. Bull Durham? You had to lean back to keep the tobacco from
falling out. g


If you frequent trendy restaurants in big cities, you run into another
take on attire -- the hipsters. They're anti-establishment but very
cosmopolitan. They might wear a corduroy cap with the name of an
obscure Belgian craft brewery on it.

I sometimes wear suits and ties to **** both of them off. d8-)

We had dinner with friends in a nice, but mid-priced Argentine
restaurant last night. I looked around -- not a hat in sight.

Where you see them a lot is in cafes and diners that cater to working
men for breakfast and lunch. Personally, I take mine off whenever I'm
indoors -- except in my own house. In a restaurant, I sit on the soft
part and let the bill stick out from under my leg. Maintaining the
proper curve of the bill is very important for one's cultural
identity....

--
Ed Huntress

On Sun, 24 May 2015 09:30:19 -0400, Ed Huntress
wrote:


snip

I had a variety of British cars, old and new. It was very thoughtful
of them to put things like an external knob on the distributor of the
old BMC B-engine (the 948 cc version), because you had to adjust
ignition timing about once every week.

Correction, that was the BMC A-Series engine, which was the smaller
one.

--
Ed Huntress

At 9:37 AM, Ed Huntress wrote:
On Sun, 24 May 2015 19:58:19 +0700, John B.

I think that's true everywhere, John. There is a lot more tolerance of
dress options these days, but not of dirt or sloppiness. If they don't
respect themselves, they probably won't respect their employer or
anyone else.

No I'd say even that, too. Employers still need dirty work done.

We had dinner with friends in a nice, but mid-priced Argentine
restaurant last night. I looked around -- not a hat in sight.

Where you see them a lot is in cafes and diners that cater to working
men ...

Well, if you're health conscious, then diabetes and baldness shouldn't really be a factor in ones appearance, as someone has somewhat already pointed out in this thread. I'd say that a mid-Manhattan Argentine steak house is quite a ways from a downmarket atmosphere.

(I recall that after the wealthy countries of the world beat the daylights out of each other in World War One, Argentina became the world's wealthiest nation)

On Sun, 24 May 2015 10:06:04 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

At 9:37 AM, Ed Huntress wrote:
On Sun, 24 May 2015 19:58:19 +0700, John B.

I think that's true everywhere, John. There is a lot more tolerance of
dress options these days, but not of dirt or sloppiness. If they don't
respect themselves, they probably won't respect their employer or
anyone else.

No I'd say even that, too. Employers still need dirty work done.

We had dinner with friends in a nice, but mid-priced Argentine
restaurant last night. I looked around -- not a hat in sight.

Where you see them a lot is in cafes and diners that cater to working
men ...

Well, if you're health conscious, then diabetes and baldness shouldn't really be a factor in ones appearance, as someone has somewhat already pointed out in this thread.

Which thread are you reading?

I'd say that a mid-Manhattan Argentine steak house is quite a ways from a downmarket atmosphere.

Carteret, NJ, not Manhatten.


(I recall that after the wealthy countries of the world beat the daylights out of each other in World War One, Argentina became the world's wealthiest nation)

At 1:13 PM, Ed Huntress wrote:
On Sun, 24 May 2015 10:06:04 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

At 9:37 AM, Ed Huntress wrote:
On Sun, 24 May 2015 19:58:19 +0700, John B.

Well, if you're health conscious, then diabetes and baldness shouldn't really be a factor in ones
appearance, as someone has somewhat already pointed out in this thread.

Which thread are you reading?

Hats Off! (I was referring to the third post from the top by Pefhany)

I'd say that a mid-Manhattan Argentine steak house is quite a ways from a downmarket atmosphere.

Carteret, NJ, not Manhatten.

Nice spelling, BTW. you could spell Carteret as Carteray, too. My favorite part of Jersey is around Middletown. The beach is so far ou into the Atlantic that the heroine needles can't wash up. (I like Jones Beach on Long Island, too)

On Sun, 24 May 2015 09:00:06 -0400, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote:

"Gunner Asch" wrote in message
.. .
On Sat, 23 May 2015 09:02:10 -0400, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote:


Small, low-profit cars in general were BAD. In private Chevette was
pronounced Shove-it.

I bought (3) Chevettes from the local phone company at auction over
a
10 yr period of time. Paid very little for each one, drove the ****
out of them, and sold them for far more than I paid for them.

I loved!! the Chevette.

Gunner

I carried Chevette-specific tools to help another tech fix his in the
company parking lot. It wasn't hard, just different, like needing a
5/16" (?) Allen key to replace brake pads.

A mechanical engineer friend drove his Vega over 100,000 miles without
a problem by paying attention to its preventative maintenance, mainly
fluid levels.

They weren't meant for owners whose religion opposed opening the hood.
The assumption was that buyers of small foreign cars were used to more
frequent maintenance, weekly for some British vehicles.

-jsw

Treat the Chevette or Vega like an OIpel or Vauxhaull, and they would
treat you relatively well.

One thing with British cars - you had to open the hood and fondle
their nuts on a weekly basis to keep them happy!!