Maybe it's time listen to what experts have to say rather than someone like slow eddy:

http://www.salon.com/2015/05/16/37_w..._rich_partner/

On Monday, May 18, 2015 at 10:17:47 AM UTC-7, Anonymous posting pussy "John Doe" failed:

Google Groups spam/troll...

--
jon_banquer jonbanquer yahoo.com wrote in news:9db801c3-0f44-4fdb-b6f9-9a5aa66b1252 googlegroups.com:

Maybe it's time listen to what experts have to say rather than someone like slow eddy:

http://www.salon.com/2015/05/16/37_w..._rich_partner/

Ha-ha! Oh, I would have missed that if you hadn't responded to it,
John. Four-flushing ignoramus Jonnie Bonkers quotes left-wing AlterNet
articles and calls them "experts." He should quit his equivocating and
go right to _Das Kapital_.g

If he wasn't such a lazy, four-flushing troll he'd have read the
Stiglitz report that the AlterNet "expert" Steven Rosenfeld ("17
States Where You're More Likely To Die From Guns Than Car Crashes")
cherry-picked for his article: "“Rewriting The Rules Of The American
Economy."

Stiglitz, who is a top-drawerer economist and whose heart is in the
right place, happens to be another Internationalist. He just doesn't
like the way free countries negotiate and do business. If Bonkers had
read the report, he'd see that Stiglitz doesn't think much about
United States sovereignty, either. He wants the US investment-dispute
rules, including TPP, to be governed by the International Labor
Organization, an arm of the United Nations.

Maybe Mog and Bonkers can sing us a duet of "Le Internationale":

"So comrades, come rally
And the last fight let us face
The Internationale unites the human race."

--
Ed Huntress

On Monday, May 18, 2015 at 11:57:54 AM UTC-7, slow eddy continued to make a fool out of himself:

Stiglitz, who is a top-drawerer economist and whose heart is in the
right place, happens to be another Internationalist. He just doesn't
like the way free countries negotiate and do business. If Bonkers had
read the report, he'd see that Stiglitz doesn't think much about
United States sovereignty, either. He wants the US investment-dispute
rules, including TPP, to be governed by the International Labor
Organization, an arm of the United Nations.

Maybe Mog and Bonkers can sing us a duet of "Le Internationale":

"So comrades, come rally
And the last fight let us face
The Internationale unites the human race."

--
slow eddy


slow eddy can't handle that experts know far more than he does. Once again we see the wheels coming off the slow eddy crazy train to nowhere.

On Monday, May 18, 2015 at 3:09:51 PM UTC-4, jon_banquer wrote:



slow eddy can't handle that experts know far more than he does. Once again we see the wheels coming off the slow eddy crazy train to nowhere.

I have to agree with Ed. I looked at the whole list and they were pretty much all platitudes. For example

18. Reform monetary policy to give higher priority to full employment.

19. Reinvigorate public investment to lay the foundation for long-term economic performance and job growth, including by investing in large-scale infrastructure renovation: a 10-year campaign to make the U.S. a world leader in innovation, manufacturing, and jobs.

20. Invest in large-scale infrastructure renovation with a 10-year campaign to make the U.S. a world infrastructure innovation, manufacturing, and jobs leader.

21. Expand public transportation to promote equal access to jobs and opportunity.

No concrete ideas here.

Dan

On Mon, 18 May 2015 12:33:56 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:

On Monday, May 18, 2015 at 3:09:51 PM UTC-4, jon_banquer wrote:



slow eddy can't handle that experts know far more than he does. Once again we see the wheels coming off the slow eddy crazy train to nowhere.

I have to agree with Ed. I looked at the whole list and they were pretty much all platitudes. For example

18. Reform monetary policy to give higher priority to full employment.

19. Reinvigorate public investment to lay the foundation for long-term economic performance and job growth, including by investing in large-scale infrastructure renovation: a 10-year campaign to make the U.S. a world leader in innovation, manufacturing, and jobs.

20. Invest in large-scale infrastructure renovation with a 10-year campaign to make the U.S. a world infrastructure innovation, manufacturing, and jobs leader.

21. Expand public transportation to promote equal access to jobs and opportunity.

No concrete ideas here.

Dan

As Jeane Kirkpatrick used to say, it's a Letter to Santa Klaus.

And it isn't fair to Stiglitz. His full report is much more
intelligent than that knee-jerker Rosenfeld's cherry-picked list of
platitudes. It's just that Stiglitz is pretty far left, and better at
analysis than he is at prescriptions or policies.

--
Ed Huntress

On Monday, May 18, 2015 at 12:33:59 PM UTC-7, wrote:
On Monday, May 18, 2015 at 3:09:51 PM UTC-4, jon_banquer wrote:



slow eddy can't handle that experts know far more than he does. Once again we see the wheels coming off the slow eddy crazy train to nowhere.

I have to agree with Ed. I looked at the whole list and they were pretty much all platitudes. For example

18. Reform monetary policy to give higher priority to full employment.

19. Reinvigorate public investment to lay the foundation for long-term economic performance and job growth, including by investing in large-scale infrastructure renovation: a 10-year campaign to make the U.S. a world leader in innovation, manufacturing, and jobs.

20. Invest in large-scale infrastructure renovation with a 10-year campaign to make the U.S. a world infrastructure innovation, manufacturing, and jobs leader.

21. Expand public transportation to promote equal access to jobs and opportunity.

No concrete ideas here.

Dan

Politically I wouldn't expect anything else from you. It's sad.

On Sun, 17 May 2015 21:37:33 -0700 (PDT), jon_banquer
wrote:

Maybe it's time listen to what experts have to say rather than someone like slow eddy:

http://www.salon.com/2015/05/16/37_w..._rich_partner/
================

Jon:

Even when you have a valid point, you severely undermine
your case by the continual ad hominem [personal] attacks.
Don't confuse a different viewpoint/priorities with an
intellectual handicap or ulterior motivation.

All of us would do well to remember that *ALL*
socioeconomic/political/cultural constructs [SEPCCs] beyond
the basic humanoid [e. g. gorilla, baboon, chimpanzee]
“troop” is a human construct, not a divinely inspired
creation.

There are no, and never will be, any “perfect SEPCCs. Every
SEPCC has its strong and weak points, with the complication
that what some people see as a liability, others see as an
asset, e. g. slavery or absolute monarchy. An adage
attributed to the French “There is no disputing matters of
taste,” applies here.

What can be rationally assessed is the relative performance
of a SEPCC against other SEPCCs across a number of
arbitrarily chosen “performance” metrics, selected
according to the priorities and cultural conditioning of the
rater. These metrics can include relative
longevity/sustainability of the rated SEPCC. This avoids
the common endless “flame wars” and personal attacks on the
one hand, and on the other hand can help the rater avoid the
common error of “there is no reason for it, its just company
policy.”

In my particular case, I am not a great fan of “populism” as
this is susceptible to “pie in the sky” rabble rousing, but
I have also read enough history to know the effects of
concentration of a societies wealth and political power into
a small elite isolated from the majority, e. g. the
transformation of the Roman republic of small freeholders
into the latifundia http://tinyurl.com/p6sg68y based
plutocratic despotism of the Roman Empire.

It is far more useful to suggest priorities and alternative
policies based on verifiable data and identified criteria
rather than calling people with different priorities and
policies, rude names.




--
Unka' George

"Gold is the money of kings,
silver is the money of gentlemen,
barter is the money of peasants,
but debt is the money of slaves"

-Norm Franz, "Money and Wealth in the New Millenium"

On Monday, May 18, 2015 at 1:50:25 PM UTC-7, F. George McDuffee wrote:
On Sun, 17 May 2015 21:37:33 -0700 (PDT), jon_banquer
wrote:

Maybe it's time listen to what experts have to say rather than someone like slow eddy:

http://www.salon.com/2015/05/16/37_w..._rich_partner/
================

Jon:

Even when you have a valid point, you severely undermine
your case by the continual ad hominem [personal] attacks.
Don't confuse a different viewpoint/priorities with an
intellectual handicap or ulterior motivation.

All of us would do well to remember that *ALL*
socioeconomic/political/cultural constructs [SEPCCs] beyond
the basic humanoid [e. g. gorilla, baboon, chimpanzee]
"troop" is a human construct, not a divinely inspired
creation.

There are no, and never will be, any "perfect SEPCCs. Every
SEPCC has its strong and weak points, with the complication
that what some people see as a liability, others see as an
asset, e. g. slavery or absolute monarchy. An adage
attributed to the French "There is no disputing matters of
taste," applies here.

What can be rationally assessed is the relative performance
of a SEPCC against other SEPCCs across a number of
arbitrarily chosen "performance" metrics, selected
according to the priorities and cultural conditioning of the
rater. These metrics can include relative
longevity/sustainability of the rated SEPCC. This avoids
the common endless "flame wars" and personal attacks on the
one hand, and on the other hand can help the rater avoid the
common error of "there is no reason for it, its just company
policy."

In my particular case, I am not a great fan of "populism" as
this is susceptible to "pie in the sky" rabble rousing, but
I have also read enough history to know the effects of
concentration of a societies wealth and political power into
a small elite isolated from the majority, e. g. the
transformation of the Roman republic of small freeholders
into the latifundia http://tinyurl.com/p6sg68y based
plutocratic despotism of the Roman Empire.

It is far more useful to suggest priorities and alternative
policies based on verifiable data and identified criteria
rather than calling people with different priorities and
policies, rude names.




--
Unka' George

"Gold is the money of kings,
silver is the money of gentlemen,
barter is the money of peasants,
but debt is the money of slaves"

-Norm Franz, "Money and Wealth in the New Millenium"


When you can build a discussion group from scratch to almost 3,000 members and have it read like a who's who of the CADCAM business let me know.

On Mon, 18 May 2015 15:50:09 -0500, F. George McDuffee
wrote:

On Sun, 17 May 2015 21:37:33 -0700 (PDT), jon_banquer
wrote:

Maybe it's time listen to what experts have to say rather than someone like slow eddy:

http://www.salon.com/2015/05/16/37_w..._rich_partner/
================

Jon:

Even when you have a valid point, you severely undermine
your case by the continual ad hominem [personal] attacks.
Don't confuse a different viewpoint/priorities with an
intellectual handicap or ulterior motivation.

All of us would do well to remember that *ALL*
socioeconomic/political/cultural constructs [SEPCCs] beyond
the basic humanoid [e. g. gorilla, baboon, chimpanzee]
“troop” is a human construct, not a divinely inspired
creation.

There are no, and never will be, any “perfect SEPCCs. Every
SEPCC has its strong and weak points, with the complication
that what some people see as a liability, others see as an
asset, e. g. slavery or absolute monarchy. An adage
attributed to the French “There is no disputing matters of
taste,” applies here.

What can be rationally assessed is the relative performance
of a SEPCC against other SEPCCs across a number of
arbitrarily chosen “performance” metrics, selected
according to the priorities and cultural conditioning of the
rater. These metrics can include relative
longevity/sustainability of the rated SEPCC. This avoids
the common endless “flame wars” and personal attacks on the
one hand, and on the other hand can help the rater avoid the
common error of “there is no reason for it, its just company
policy.”

In my particular case, I am not a great fan of “populism” as
this is susceptible to “pie in the sky” rabble rousing, but
I have also read enough history to know the effects of
concentration of a societies wealth and political power into
a small elite isolated from the majority, e. g. the
transformation of the Roman republic of small freeholders
into the latifundia http://tinyurl.com/p6sg68y based
plutocratic despotism of the Roman Empire.

It is far more useful to suggest priorities and alternative
policies based on verifiable data and identified criteria
rather than calling people with different priorities and
policies, rude names.



g Between Iggy trying to correct RogerN's religious beliefs, and you
appealing to Jonnie's better nature, we've seen some interesting
examples of well-intended but futile advice flying around here lately.

I admire both of your efforts but I'm surprised you guys don't
recognize what you're dealing with. Roger is a hard-core, committed
True Believer; nobody can change his beliefs but himself. And Banquer
has emotional problems that, as anyone can see, are focused around a
neurotic need for affirmation and approval. This is purely descriptive
of his behavior, not a medical diagnosis. Banquer is an emotionally
troubled dude.

So, good luck. He hasn't convinced you of his superiority, which
probably means you'll now be a target for his belittling snarkiness
d8-)

--
Ed Huntress

On Monday, May 18, 2015 at 2:20:09 PM UTC-7, slow eddy wrote:

g Between Iggy trying to correct RogerN's religious beliefs, and you
appealing to Jonnie's better nature, we've seen some interesting
examples of well-intended but futile advice flying around here lately.

I admire both of your efforts but I'm surprised you guys don't
recognize what you're dealing with. Roger is a hard-core, committed
True Believer; nobody can change his beliefs but himself. And Banquer
has emotional problems that, as anyone can see, are focused around a
neurotic need for affirmation and approval. This is purely descriptive
of his behavior, not a medical diagnosis. Banquer is an emotionally
troubled dude.

So, good luck. He hasn't convinced you of his superiority, which
probably means you'll now be a target for his belittling snarkiness
d8-)

--
slow eddy


It really sucks to be slow eddy when someone (in this case me) sees how full of **** he truly is and calls him on his bull****/lies.

slow eddy doesn't give a **** about anyone working in a machining job shop or the American worker. All slow eddy cares about is protecting the machine tool companies who pay his salary.

slow eddy is little more than a tool who regurgitates whatever he's told in the worthless advertising based rags he works for.

slow eddy has always been all about just one thing... slow eddy.

On Mon, 18 May 2015 17:20:02 -0400, Ed Huntress
wrote:

snip
I admire both of your efforts but I'm surprised you guys don't
recognize what you're dealing with. Roger is a hard-core, committed
True Believer; nobody can change his beliefs but himself. And Banquer
has emotional problems that, as anyone can see, are focused around a
neurotic need for affirmation and approval. This is purely descriptive
of his behavior, not a medical diagnosis. Banquer is an emotionally
troubled dude.
/snip
Indeed, but while this screed was addressed to Jon, my hope
was that some of our other "flamers" would read and profit
from it.


--
Unka' George

"Gold is the money of kings,
silver is the money of gentlemen,
barter is the money of peasants,
but debt is the money of slaves"

-Norm Franz, "Money and Wealth in the New Millenium"

On Monday, May 18, 2015 at 2:54:17 PM UTC-7, F. George McDuffee wrote:
On Mon, 18 May 2015 17:20:02 -0400, Ed Huntress
wrote:

snip
I admire both of your efforts but I'm surprised you guys don't
recognize what you're dealing with. Roger is a hard-core, committed
True Believer; nobody can change his beliefs but himself. And Banquer
has emotional problems that, as anyone can see, are focused around a
neurotic need for affirmation and approval. This is purely descriptive
of his behavior, not a medical diagnosis. Banquer is an emotionally
troubled dude.
/snip
Indeed, but while this screed was addressed to Jon, my hope
was that some of our other "flamers" would read and profit
from it.


--
Unka' George

"Gold is the money of kings,
silver is the money of gentlemen,
barter is the money of peasants,
but debt is the money of slaves"

-Norm Franz, "Money and Wealth in the New Millenium"


You're wasting your time until you can create a discussion group from scratch like I did and run like I can.

My LinkedIn group is for those who are sick in tired of the Pay For Play game that slow eddy lives on. Clearly almost 3,000 members of my group want something better.

I'm 53 years old. I do what works. I have no plans to change.

On Mon, 18 May 2015 16:54:00 -0500, F. George McDuffee
wrote:

On Mon, 18 May 2015 17:20:02 -0400, Ed Huntress
wrote:

snip
I admire both of your efforts but I'm surprised you guys don't
recognize what you're dealing with. Roger is a hard-core, committed
True Believer; nobody can change his beliefs but himself. And Banquer
has emotional problems that, as anyone can see, are focused around a
neurotic need for affirmation and approval. This is purely descriptive
of his behavior, not a medical diagnosis. Banquer is an emotionally
troubled dude.
/snip
Indeed, but while this screed was addressed to Jon, my hope
was that some of our other "flamers" would read and profit
from it.

And here, they accuse *me* of over-the-top optimism. g

Seriously, George, I would not criticize your motivation or your
effort. Somebody has to do something to restore this NG, or it will
continue to attract the trolls and the emotionally disturbed.

--
Ed Huntress

On Monday, May 18, 2015 at 3:22:40 PM UTC-7, slow eddy failed:

And here, they accuse *me* of over-the-top optimism. g

Seriously, George, I would not criticize your motivation or your
effort. Somebody has to do something to restore this NG, or it will
continue to attract the trolls and the emotionally disturbed.

--
slow eddy

What really hurts this groups metalworking content a

Idiots like slow eddy will continue to respond to Jonathan Ball and Ray Keller's posts

Modern social business media has replaced Usenet.

Question for the group:

When Precision Machinist left this group did anyone really notice besides me?

On Monday, May 18, 2015 at 6:09:36 PM UTC-4, jon_banquer wrote:


I'm 53 years old. I do what works. I have no plans to change.

My son is 52. My grandson is 13.

Dan

On Mon, 18 May 2015 18:22:34 -0400, Ed Huntress
wrote:

On Mon, 18 May 2015 16:54:00 -0500, F. George McDuffee
wrote:

On Mon, 18 May 2015 17:20:02 -0400, Ed Huntress
wrote:

snip
I admire both of your efforts but I'm surprised you guys don't
recognize what you're dealing with. Roger is a hard-core, committed
True Believer; nobody can change his beliefs but himself. And Banquer
has emotional problems that, as anyone can see, are focused around a
neurotic need for affirmation and approval. This is purely descriptive
of his behavior, not a medical diagnosis. Banquer is an emotionally
troubled dude.
/snip
Indeed, but while this screed was addressed to Jon, my hope
was that some of our other "flamers" would read and profit
from it.

And here, they accuse *me* of over-the-top optimism. g

Seriously, George, I would not criticize your motivation or your
effort. Somebody has to do something to restore this NG, or it will
continue to attract the trolls and the emotionally disturbed.

Kill Files are the secret :-) I never see the Infernal Jon, for
example, unless someone replies to him.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On 5/18/2015 5:22 PM, Ed Huntress wrote:
On Mon, 18 May 2015 16:54:00 -0500, F. George McDuffee
wrote:

On Mon, 18 May 2015 17:20:02 -0400, Ed Huntress
wrote:

snip
I admire both of your efforts but I'm surprised you guys don't
recognize what you're dealing with. Roger is a hard-core, committed
True Believer; nobody can change his beliefs but himself. And Banquer
has emotional problems that, as anyone can see, are focused around a
neurotic need for affirmation and approval. This is purely descriptive
of his behavior, not a medical diagnosis. Banquer is an emotionally
troubled dude.
/snip
Indeed, but while this screed was addressed to Jon, my hope
was that some of our other "flamers" would read and profit
from it.

And here, they accuse *me* of over-the-top optimism. g

Seriously, George, I would not criticize your motivation or your
effort. Somebody has to do something to restore this NG, or it will
continue to attract the trolls and the emotionally disturbed.

So why haven't you kill filed JB?

Why would anyone want to read his posts?

David

On Monday, May 18, 2015 at 6:21:01 PM UTC-7, David R. Birch wrote:
On 5/18/2015 5:22 PM, Ed Huntress wrote:
On Mon, 18 May 2015 16:54:00 -0500, F. George McDuffee
wrote:

On Mon, 18 May 2015 17:20:02 -0400, Ed Huntress
wrote:

snip
I admire both of your efforts but I'm surprised you guys don't
recognize what you're dealing with. Roger is a hard-core, committed
True Believer; nobody can change his beliefs but himself. And Banquer
has emotional problems that, as anyone can see, are focused around a
neurotic need for affirmation and approval. This is purely descriptive
of his behavior, not a medical diagnosis. Banquer is an emotionally
troubled dude.
/snip
Indeed, but while this screed was addressed to Jon, my hope
was that some of our other "flamers" would read and profit
from it.

And here, they accuse *me* of over-the-top optimism. g

Seriously, George, I would not criticize your motivation or your
effort. Somebody has to do something to restore this NG, or it will
continue to attract the trolls and the emotionally disturbed.

So why haven't you kill filed JB?

Why would anyone want to read his posts?

David

If you have to ask why...

On Tue, 19 May 2015 07:14:24 +0700, John B.
wrote:

On Mon, 18 May 2015 18:22:34 -0400, Ed Huntress
wrote:

On Mon, 18 May 2015 16:54:00 -0500, F. George McDuffee
wrote:

On Mon, 18 May 2015 17:20:02 -0400, Ed Huntress
wrote:

snip
I admire both of your efforts but I'm surprised you guys don't
recognize what you're dealing with. Roger is a hard-core, committed
True Believer; nobody can change his beliefs but himself. And Banquer
has emotional problems that, as anyone can see, are focused around a
neurotic need for affirmation and approval. This is purely descriptive
of his behavior, not a medical diagnosis. Banquer is an emotionally
troubled dude.
/snip
Indeed, but while this screed was addressed to Jon, my hope
was that some of our other "flamers" would read and profit
from it.

And here, they accuse *me* of over-the-top optimism. g

Seriously, George, I would not criticize your motivation or your
effort. Somebody has to do something to restore this NG, or it will
continue to attract the trolls and the emotionally disturbed.

Kill Files are the secret :-) I never see the Infernal Jon, for
example, unless someone replies to him.

I should. It will be simpler.

--
Ed Huntress

On Mon, 18 May 2015 20:19:58 -0500, "David R. Birch"
wrote:

On 5/18/2015 5:22 PM, Ed Huntress wrote:
On Mon, 18 May 2015 16:54:00 -0500, F. George McDuffee
wrote:

On Mon, 18 May 2015 17:20:02 -0400, Ed Huntress
wrote:

snip
I admire both of your efforts but I'm surprised you guys don't
recognize what you're dealing with. Roger is a hard-core, committed
True Believer; nobody can change his beliefs but himself. And Banquer
has emotional problems that, as anyone can see, are focused around a
neurotic need for affirmation and approval. This is purely descriptive
of his behavior, not a medical diagnosis. Banquer is an emotionally
troubled dude.
/snip
Indeed, but while this screed was addressed to Jon, my hope
was that some of our other "flamers" would read and profit
from it.

And here, they accuse *me* of over-the-top optimism. g

Seriously, George, I would not criticize your motivation or your
effort. Somebody has to do something to restore this NG, or it will
continue to attract the trolls and the emotionally disturbed.

So why haven't you kill filed JB?

I generally don't killfile people, although there are some I simply
ignore. My filter is set to mark Bonkers' posts "read,", and then my
reader skips read files. So I have a sense of when they've left.


Why would anyone want to read his posts?

Trial evidence? g!

--
Ed Huntress


David

On Tue, 19 May 2015 06:02:21 -0400, Ed Huntress
wrote:

On Tue, 19 May 2015 07:14:24 +0700, John B.
wrote:

On Mon, 18 May 2015 18:22:34 -0400, Ed Huntress
wrote:

On Mon, 18 May 2015 16:54:00 -0500, F. George McDuffee
wrote:

On Mon, 18 May 2015 17:20:02 -0400, Ed Huntress
wrote:

snip
I admire both of your efforts but I'm surprised you guys don't
recognize what you're dealing with. Roger is a hard-core, committed
True Believer; nobody can change his beliefs but himself. And Banquer
has emotional problems that, as anyone can see, are focused around a
neurotic need for affirmation and approval. This is purely descriptive
of his behavior, not a medical diagnosis. Banquer is an emotionally
troubled dude.
/snip
Indeed, but while this screed was addressed to Jon, my hope
was that some of our other "flamers" would read and profit
from it.

And here, they accuse *me* of over-the-top optimism. g

Seriously, George, I would not criticize your motivation or your
effort. Somebody has to do something to restore this NG, or it will
continue to attract the trolls and the emotionally disturbed.

Kill Files are the secret :-) I never see the Infernal Jon, for
example, unless someone replies to him.

I should. It will be simpler.

The problem is the universal impulse to "tell it like it really is".

You succumb to that and you are addressing the remarks to someone who
isn't treated as an increase in his knowledge base, rather it is proof
positive that he isn't really an insignificant person - "See Mommy!
They aren't ignoring me, they are talking to me !"

--
Cheers,

John B.

On Tue, 19 May 2015 18:51:39 +0700, John B.
wrote:

On Tue, 19 May 2015 06:02:21 -0400, Ed Huntress
wrote:

On Tue, 19 May 2015 07:14:24 +0700, John B.
wrote:

On Mon, 18 May 2015 18:22:34 -0400, Ed Huntress
wrote:

On Mon, 18 May 2015 16:54:00 -0500, F. George McDuffee
wrote:

On Mon, 18 May 2015 17:20:02 -0400, Ed Huntress
wrote:

snip
I admire both of your efforts but I'm surprised you guys don't
recognize what you're dealing with. Roger is a hard-core, committed
True Believer; nobody can change his beliefs but himself. And Banquer
has emotional problems that, as anyone can see, are focused around a
neurotic need for affirmation and approval. This is purely descriptive
of his behavior, not a medical diagnosis. Banquer is an emotionally
troubled dude.
/snip
Indeed, but while this screed was addressed to Jon, my hope
was that some of our other "flamers" would read and profit
from it.

And here, they accuse *me* of over-the-top optimism. g

Seriously, George, I would not criticize your motivation or your
effort. Somebody has to do something to restore this NG, or it will
continue to attract the trolls and the emotionally disturbed.

Kill Files are the secret :-) I never see the Infernal Jon, for
example, unless someone replies to him.

I should. It will be simpler.

The problem is the universal impulse to "tell it like it really is".

You succumb to that and you are addressing the remarks to someone who
isn't treated as an increase in his knowledge base, rather it is proof
positive that he isn't really an insignificant person - "See Mommy!
They aren't ignoring me, they are talking to me !"

Oh, sure. There's no doubt that Bonkers has a neurotic need for
affirmation. All of his online communication is a desperate yelp for
affirmation and approval.

A couple of weeks ago I promised I'd ignore his posts, and I have. I
haven't read one since the last time I responded directly to him. I've
responded only to a couple of responses *to* him by other people.

But that's probably too much. A few people still respond to him --
Mog, George, and one or two others. It's probably just enough to keep
him going.

So I'll avoid responding to other respondants. Silence, for Jonnie
Bonkers, is like sprinkling alum on a garden slug.

--
Ed Huntress

"John B." wrote:

Kill Files are the secret :-) I never see the Infernal Jon, for
example, unless someone replies to him.


The same way with Ed. I don't see him, unless someone replies to him.

On Monday, May 18, 2015 at 9:21:01 PM UTC-4, David R. Birch wrote:
On 5/18/2015 5:22 PM, Ed Huntress wrote:
On Mon, 18 May 2015 16:54:00 -0500, F. George McDuffee
wrote:

On Mon, 18 May 2015 17:20:02 -0400, Ed Huntress
wrote:

snip
I admire both of your efforts but I'm surprised you guys don't
recognize what you're dealing with. Roger is a hard-core, committed
True Believer; nobody can change his beliefs but himself. And Banquer
has emotional problems that, as anyone can see, are focused around a
neurotic need for affirmation and approval. This is purely descriptive
of his behavior, not a medical diagnosis. Banquer is an emotionally
troubled dude.
/snip
Indeed, but while this screed was addressed to Jon, my hope
was that some of our other "flamers" would read and profit
from it.

And here, they accuse *me* of over-the-top optimism. g

Seriously, George, I would not criticize your motivation or your
effort. Somebody has to do something to restore this NG, or it will
continue to attract the trolls and the emotionally disturbed.

So why haven't you kill filed JB?

His posts regularly address aspects of metalworking.

Why would anyone want to read his posts?

Why would anyone even go into this group?

On Tue, 19 May 2015 08:22:41 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

On Monday, May 18, 2015 at 9:21:01 PM UTC-4, David R. Birch wrote:
On 5/18/2015 5:22 PM, Ed Huntress wrote:
On Mon, 18 May 2015 16:54:00 -0500, F. George McDuffee
wrote:

On Mon, 18 May 2015 17:20:02 -0400, Ed Huntress
wrote:

snip
I admire both of your efforts but I'm surprised you guys don't
recognize what you're dealing with. Roger is a hard-core, committed
True Believer; nobody can change his beliefs but himself. And Banquer
has emotional problems that, as anyone can see, are focused around a
neurotic need for affirmation and approval. This is purely descriptive
of his behavior, not a medical diagnosis. Banquer is an emotionally
troubled dude.
/snip
Indeed, but while this screed was addressed to Jon, my hope
was that some of our other "flamers" would read and profit
from it.

And here, they accuse *me* of over-the-top optimism. g

Seriously, George, I would not criticize your motivation or your
effort. Somebody has to do something to restore this NG, or it will
continue to attract the trolls and the emotionally disturbed.

So why haven't you kill filed JB?

His posts regularly address aspects of metalworking.

Why would anyone want to read his posts?

Why would anyone even go into this group?

Gee, "Walter," you have the same IP address as "Mogulah." How did you
manage that??

--
Ed Huntress

On Tue, 19 May 2015 09:41:33 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:


"John B." wrote:

Kill Files are the secret :-) I never see the Infernal Jon, for
example, unless someone replies to him.


The same way with Ed. I don't see him, unless someone replies to him.

Ditto

Gunner
--
Liberals want everyone to think like them.
Conservatives want everyone to think.

On Tuesday, May 19, 2015 at 5:32:46 AM UTC-7, slow eddy lied:

Oh, sure. There's no doubt that Bonkers has a neurotic need for
affirmation. All of his online communication is a desperate yelp for
affirmation and approval.

A couple of weeks ago I promised I'd ignore his posts, and I have. I
haven't read one since the last time I responded directly to him. I've
responded only to a couple of responses *to* him by other people.

But that's probably too much. A few people still respond to him --
Mog, George, and one or two others. It's probably just enough to keep
him going.

So I'll avoid responding to other respondants. Silence, for Jonnie
Bonkers, is like sprinkling alum on a garden slug.

--
slow eddy


There is not doubt that the world is changing rapidly and that more and more machinists and CADCAM programmers know that slow eddy's pay for play ad copy writing is full of lies/bull****.

Smarter machinists and CADCAM programmers rejected slow eddies pay for play ad copy bull**** and make use of modern business social medial like LinkedIn groups to get better information.

slow eddy is a bull****er. He's been a bull****er for years and many people now know it.

On Monday, May 18, 2015 at 5:15:25 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
On Mon, 18 May 2015 18:22:34 -0400, Ed Huntress
wrote:

On Mon, 18 May 2015 16:54:00 -0500, F. George McDuffee
wrote:

On Mon, 18 May 2015 17:20:02 -0400, Ed Huntress
wrote:

snip
I admire both of your efforts but I'm surprised you guys don't
recognize what you're dealing with. Roger is a hard-core, committed
True Believer; nobody can change his beliefs but himself. And Banquer
has emotional problems that, as anyone can see, are focused around a
neurotic need for affirmation and approval. This is purely descriptive
of his behavior, not a medical diagnosis. Banquer is an emotionally
troubled dude.
/snip
Indeed, but while this screed was addressed to Jon, my hope
was that some of our other "flamers" would read and profit
from it.

And here, they accuse *me* of over-the-top optimism. g

Seriously, George, I would not criticize your motivation or your
effort. Somebody has to do something to restore this NG, or it will
continue to attract the trolls and the emotionally disturbed.

Kill Files are the secret :-) I never see the Infernal Jon, for
example, unless someone replies to him.
--
Cheers,

John B.

In other words you read everything I post, bitch.

On Tuesday, May 19, 2015 at 3:05:55 AM UTC-7, slow eddy lied:

I generally don't killfile people, although there are some I simply
ignore. My filter is set to mark Bonkers' posts "read,", and then my
reader skips read files. So I have a sense of when they've left.


Why would anyone want to read his posts?

Trial evidence? g!

--
slow eddy


slow eddy has no choice but to read my posts because in his heart he knows that my over two decades of working in modern, state of the art, CNC machining job shops means he can't match or ever come close to the hands on experience I have that he doesn't and never will have.

There is a reason my LinkedIn group has close to 3,000 members. Membership in my LinkedIn group reads like a who's who of the CADCAM business. My LinkedIn group makes a liar like slow eddy very angry because it's beyond obvious I can build what slow eddy could never build even if he wanted to.

The fact is that slow eddy lies constantly. He's a smarmy little **** that I've broken into a million little pieces by showing with facts just how wrong he is. From pushrod motors to CADCAM slow eddy lies and I often nail him to the wall with his numerous lies.

On 5/19/2015 9:52 AM, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Tue, 19 May 2015 09:41:33 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:


"John B." wrote:

Kill Files are the secret :-) I never see the Infernal Jon, for
example, unless someone replies to him.


The same way with Ed. I don't see him, unless someone replies to him.

Ditto

That's because you're a big baby.

On Tue, 19 May 2015 09:41:33 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:


"John B." wrote:

Kill Files are the secret :-) I never see the Infernal Jon, for
example, unless someone replies to him.


The same way with Ed. I don't see him, unless someone replies to him.

+1

--
Live in the sunshine, swim the sea, drink the wild air…
-- Ralph Waldo Emerson

On Tue, 19 May 2015 08:32:39 -0400, Ed Huntress
wrote:

On Tue, 19 May 2015 18:51:39 +0700, John B.
wrote:

On Tue, 19 May 2015 06:02:21 -0400, Ed Huntress
wrote:

On Tue, 19 May 2015 07:14:24 +0700, John B.
wrote:

On Mon, 18 May 2015 18:22:34 -0400, Ed Huntress
wrote:

On Mon, 18 May 2015 16:54:00 -0500, F. George McDuffee
wrote:

On Mon, 18 May 2015 17:20:02 -0400, Ed Huntress
wrote:

snip
I admire both of your efforts but I'm surprised you guys don't
recognize what you're dealing with. Roger is a hard-core, committed
True Believer; nobody can change his beliefs but himself. And Banquer
has emotional problems that, as anyone can see, are focused around a
neurotic need for affirmation and approval. This is purely descriptive
of his behavior, not a medical diagnosis. Banquer is an emotionally
troubled dude.
/snip
Indeed, but while this screed was addressed to Jon, my hope
was that some of our other "flamers" would read and profit
from it.

And here, they accuse *me* of over-the-top optimism. g

Seriously, George, I would not criticize your motivation or your
effort. Somebody has to do something to restore this NG, or it will
continue to attract the trolls and the emotionally disturbed.

Kill Files are the secret :-) I never see the Infernal Jon, for
example, unless someone replies to him.

I should. It will be simpler.

The problem is the universal impulse to "tell it like it really is".

You succumb to that and you are addressing the remarks to someone who
isn't treated as an increase in his knowledge base, rather it is proof
positive that he isn't really an insignificant person - "See Mommy!
They aren't ignoring me, they are talking to me !"

Oh, sure. There's no doubt that Bonkers has a neurotic need for
affirmation. All of his online communication is a desperate yelp for
affirmation and approval.

A couple of weeks ago I promised I'd ignore his posts, and I have. I
haven't read one since the last time I responded directly to him. I've
responded only to a couple of responses *to* him by other people.

But that's probably too much. A few people still respond to him --
Mog, George, and one or two others. It's probably just enough to keep
him going.

So I'll avoid responding to other respondants. Silence, for Jonnie
Bonkers, is like sprinkling alum on a garden slug.


Somewhere I remember a quotation, or similar, that, "The best way to
insult some people is to ignore them".

It sounds like "the Old Farmer's Almanac or maybe Will Rogers :-)

--
Cheers,

John B.

On Wed, 20 May 2015 20:02:07 +0700, John B.
wrote:

On Tue, 19 May 2015 08:32:39 -0400, Ed Huntress
wrote:

On Tue, 19 May 2015 18:51:39 +0700, John B.
wrote:

On Tue, 19 May 2015 06:02:21 -0400, Ed Huntress
wrote:

On Tue, 19 May 2015 07:14:24 +0700, John B.
wrote:

On Mon, 18 May 2015 18:22:34 -0400, Ed Huntress
wrote:

On Mon, 18 May 2015 16:54:00 -0500, F. George McDuffee
wrote:

On Mon, 18 May 2015 17:20:02 -0400, Ed Huntress
wrote:

snip
I admire both of your efforts but I'm surprised you guys don't
recognize what you're dealing with. Roger is a hard-core, committed
True Believer; nobody can change his beliefs but himself. And Banquer
has emotional problems that, as anyone can see, are focused around a
neurotic need for affirmation and approval. This is purely descriptive
of his behavior, not a medical diagnosis. Banquer is an emotionally
troubled dude.
/snip
Indeed, but while this screed was addressed to Jon, my hope
was that some of our other "flamers" would read and profit
from it.

And here, they accuse *me* of over-the-top optimism. g

Seriously, George, I would not criticize your motivation or your
effort. Somebody has to do something to restore this NG, or it will
continue to attract the trolls and the emotionally disturbed.

Kill Files are the secret :-) I never see the Infernal Jon, for
example, unless someone replies to him.

I should. It will be simpler.

The problem is the universal impulse to "tell it like it really is".

You succumb to that and you are addressing the remarks to someone who
isn't treated as an increase in his knowledge base, rather it is proof
positive that he isn't really an insignificant person - "See Mommy!
They aren't ignoring me, they are talking to me !"

Oh, sure. There's no doubt that Bonkers has a neurotic need for
affirmation. All of his online communication is a desperate yelp for
affirmation and approval.

A couple of weeks ago I promised I'd ignore his posts, and I have. I
haven't read one since the last time I responded directly to him. I've
responded only to a couple of responses *to* him by other people.

But that's probably too much. A few people still respond to him --
Mog, George, and one or two others. It's probably just enough to keep
him going.

So I'll avoid responding to other respondants. Silence, for Jonnie
Bonkers, is like sprinkling alum on a garden slug.


Somewhere I remember a quotation, or similar, that, "The best way to
insult some people is to ignore them".

It sounds like "the Old Farmer's Almanac or maybe Will Rogers :-)


Right. But that applies to people with normal reactions and fairly
normal behavior. Here, we're dealing with something else. It's more
like an autistic kid who beats himself in the head with a stick for
physical stimulus, to remind himself that he is here.

--
Ed Huntress

John B. wrote:
On Tue, 19 May 2015 08:32:39 -0400, Ed Huntress
wrote:


So I'll avoid responding to other respondants. Silence, for Jonnie
Bonkers, is like sprinkling alum on a garden slug.


Somewhere I remember a quotation, or similar, that, "The best way to
insult some people is to ignore them".

It sounds like "the Old Farmer's Almanac or maybe Will Rogers :-)

I don't see Ed's posts (because he was responding to everything Jon was
posting ...) but in a thread I started recently , Jon was actually civil and
yes , I did respond to him . Kinda odd , he's in my BozoBin , so I shouldn't
be seeing his posts - if it was in fact Bonquer and not somebody posing as
him ...

--
Snag

On Wed, 20 May 2015 10:03:43 -0500, "Terry Coombs"
wrote:

John B. wrote:
On Tue, 19 May 2015 08:32:39 -0400, Ed Huntress
wrote:


So I'll avoid responding to other respondants. Silence, for Jonnie
Bonkers, is like sprinkling alum on a garden slug.


Somewhere I remember a quotation, or similar, that, "The best way to
insult some people is to ignore them".

It sounds like "the Old Farmer's Almanac or maybe Will Rogers :-)

I don't see Ed's posts (because he was responding to everything Jon was
posting ...) but in a thread I started recently , Jon was actually civil and
yes , I did respond to him . Kinda odd , he's in my BozoBin , so I shouldn't
be seeing his posts - if it was in fact Bonquer and not somebody posing as
him ...

No, that's Banquer. That's the bipolar tendency that we used to see a
lot, which shows up as an extreme rush from one enthusiasm to another,
often contradicting his own positions within weeks or months.

Now, he either has it medicated or it's settled down a bit. He's
looking for a few allies to support his desperate need for approval.
But it never lasts long.

--
Ed Huntress

On 5/20/2015 9:48 AM, Ed Huntress wrote:

Right. But that applies to people with normal reactions and fairly
normal behavior. Here, we're dealing with something else. It's more
like an autistic kid who beats himself in the head with a stick for
physical stimulus, to remind himself that he is here.

Your responding to him is like poking an autistic kid with a stick to
see how he responds to physical stimulus.

You have nothing positive to gain from this and you annoy those of us
who have plonked JB.

You also have said that you should plonk him, too, but you don't do it.

I don't plonk you because, unlike JB, you make positive contributions,
but poking JB to see him twitch is unworthy of you.

David

On Wed, 20 May 2015 11:23:17 -0500, "David R. Birch"
wrote:

On 5/20/2015 9:48 AM, Ed Huntress wrote:

Right. But that applies to people with normal reactions and fairly
normal behavior. Here, we're dealing with something else. It's more
like an autistic kid who beats himself in the head with a stick for
physical stimulus, to remind himself that he is here.

Your responding to him is like poking an autistic kid with a stick to
see how he responds to physical stimulus.

The last time I replied to Bonkers was on April 1st.


You have nothing positive to gain from this and you annoy those of us
who have plonked JB.

Meantime, at least five other people have replied to him.


You also have said that you should plonk him, too, but you don't do it.

I haven't read one of his posts in weeks.


I don't plonk you because, unlike JB, you make positive contributions,
but poking JB to see him twitch is unworthy of you.

Suit yourself, David.

--
Ed Huntress


David

On Wednesday, May 20, 2015 at 7:48:13 AM UTC-7, slow eddy wrote:

Right. But that applies to people with normal reactions and fairly
normal behavior. Here, we're dealing with something else. It's more
like an autistic kid who beats himself in the head with a stick for
physical stimulus, to remind himself that he is here.

--
slow eddy

Autism is yet another subject that slow eddy knows nothing about.

On 05/19/2015 08:41 AM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:

"John B." wrote:

Kill Files are the secret :-) I never see the Infernal Jon, for
example, unless someone replies to him.


The same way with Ed. I don't see him, unless someone replies to him.


I finally put Ed in the bozo bin, despite his occasional intelligent
post. Felt too much like a blind pig looking for an acorn.




technomaNge
--
Poor Ed.