On Saturday, April 25, 2015 at 10:30:08 AM UTC-4, Hail Hydra wrote:
F. George McDuffee :
On Fri, 24 Apr 2015 22:33:51 +0200 (CEST), "Oil Wars"
wrote:

Planned oil industry layoffs in the U.S. are approaching 100,000
in the past four months with more likely to come.
snip
Friendly fire casualties in the pre-emptive economic war
strike against Russia and Iran?

Bush gave us prices of almost $5.00 a gallon during the days of
that great war. What our next Republican President needs to
do is attack Saudi Arabia and Russia, ...

Wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are lost. Why would you now win in Saudi Arabia, Iran or Russia?

(you still have no defense against road side bombs)

On Sat, 25 Apr 2015 13:33:39 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

snip
Wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are lost. Why would you now win in Saudi Arabia, Iran or Russia?
snip

It is a perversion of the old saw "it's not the destination,
it's the journey." Winning has little to do with it. It's
all about the war, the sopping up of "extraneous" manpower
and resources [can't waste these on rebuilding our cities
and infrastructure], the adrenalin rush, and the diverting
of the people from their own best self interests by an
exagerated need to "defend" the Republic.

Consider the list of individuals/countries that were a
threat to the U. S. and world peace and had to be removed
over the last 120 years.
Spain
Germany/Kaiser
Several Latin American countries [mainly using the Marines
as knee-knockers to collect private corporate debt]
Germany, Japan, Italy/Hitler-Tojo-Mussolini
Russia/Uncle Joe
North Korea/Kim dynasty
China/Mao
Vietnam/Uncle Ho
Grenada/Communists
Iraq/Hussain
Afghanistan
Iran
Russia again

The countries, with the exception of the last 2, were
humbled, and their "evil" leadership are dead, so why are
we still having problems, killing Americans in overseas
wars, and wasting tax payer money on non/counter productive
activities, e. g. the F-35? http://tinyurl.com/lfgxpfq

Given the almost infinite amount of tax payer money the U.
S. government has spent, and the incredible national debt,
the country should be a second "Garden of Eden," but clearly
it is not.

At some point, any rational person would have to consider
that the problem may not be with the other
countries/leaders, but would start considering alternate
explications, such as a pathological need for a scapegoat
"enemy" to justify domestic repressive measures and
diversion of productive domestic investment/spending to
highly profitable [for the select few companies/individuals]
foreign wars, while critical domestic needs are ignored,
e.g. bankrupt municipalities, decaying infrastructure, and
an increasingly large permanent under class of marginally
employable citizens.


--
Unka' George

"Gold is the money of kings,
silver is the money of gentlemen,
barter is the money of peasants,
but debt is the money of slaves"

-Norm Franz, "Money and Wealth in the New Millenium"

On 4/27/2015 10:03 AM, F. George McDumpster bull****ted:

[bull**** snipped, except for]
Given the almost infinite amount of tax payer money the U.S.
government has spent,

No. You lost any remaining shred of credibility with that one, senile
old man.

On Mon, 27 Apr 2015 12:03:03 -0500, F. George McDuffee
wrote:

On Sat, 25 Apr 2015 13:33:39 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

snip
Wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are lost. Why would you now win in Saudi Arabia, Iran or Russia?
snip

It is a perversion of the old saw "it's not the destination,
it's the journey." Winning has little to do with it. It's
all about the war, the sopping up of "extraneous" manpower
and resources [can't waste these on rebuilding our cities
and infrastructure], the adrenalin rush, and the diverting
of the people from their own best self interests by an
exagerated need to "defend" the Republic.

Consider the list of individuals/countries that were a
threat to the U. S. and world peace and had to be removed
over the last 120 years.
Spain
Germany/Kaiser
Several Latin American countries [mainly using the Marines
as knee-knockers to collect private corporate debt]
Germany, Japan, Italy/Hitler-Tojo-Mussolini
Russia/Uncle Joe
North Korea/Kim dynasty
China/Mao
Vietnam/Uncle Ho
Grenada/Communists
Iraq/Hussain
Afghanistan
Iran
Russia again


And just think. It is all done through the "Defense Department" too.

--
cheers,

John B.

On Mon, 27 Apr 2015 12:03:03 -0500, F. George McDuffee
wrote:


At some point, any rational person would have to consider
that the problem may not be with the other
countries/leaders, but would start considering alternate
explications, such as a pathological need for a scapegoat
"enemy" to justify domestic repressive measures

We can chant that line to the survivors of 911

On the other hand...having a crisis go to waste...is a terrible thing
for the Left.

On Tue, 28 Apr 2015 13:50:08 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

snip
At some point, any rational person would have to consider
that the problem may not be with the other
countries/leaders, but would start considering alternate
explications, such as a pathological need for a scapegoat
"enemy" to justify domestic repressive measures

We can chant that line to the survivors of 911
===============
9-11 was indeed a tragedy, but it was not an isolated
"freak" event, rather it was the culmination of a pernicious
chain of causality, many of the links forged by US
arrogance, ignorance, and greed.

The U.S. government may have been the instrument by which
these links were forged, but the motivation was *NOT* the
"will of the people" or "popular outrage," but the greed and
doctrinaire ideology of small politically influential
groups.

As in far too many recent instances [e. g. TARP &
GMC/Chrysler ], the costs [including 9-11] were socialized
onto the American people, but the profits resulting from
foreign extortion and bribery that precipated the event, and
the resulting war profiteering, were privatized, and the
people/organizations accountable for the counter-productive
meddling and war profiteering have never been publically
"named and shamed," let alone penalized.

What's done is done, and there is no use crying over spilt
milk. The shame is our collective failure to learn from
9-11, and the imminent danger resulting from our continuing
and escalating "mucking around" in the Ukraine, the South
China Sea, and the Mid-East for no valid reason from the
perspective of the vast majority of the US population, and
thus the interests of the Republic.

FWIW: When we compare the economic cost of 9-11, including
the projected value of the lives lost, to the
escalating/continuing costs of the Afghanistan war [many of
which are *NOT* money], we would have been far better off
doing nothing other than imposing a tight blockade to
prevent any ideological/theological exports. Import
embargoes and strategic air strikes would have little effect
on a medieval country such as Afghanistan, and thus would be
a waste of time/money and counter-productive. Indeed,
absorbing a 9-11 every 3 to 5 years would be cost effective
compared to the open-ended "war on terror," not counting
the direct costs of Homeland Security, the TSA, NSA, etc.
and the non-economic costs of the loss of individual
privacy, and warrantless searches of luggage, vehicles,
computers, etc. at every opportunity.


--
Unka' George

"Gold is the money of kings,
silver is the money of gentlemen,
barter is the money of peasants,
but debt is the money of slaves"

-Norm Franz, "Money and Wealth in the New Millenium"

"F. George McDuffee" wrote in
message ...
.... Indeed,
absorbing a 9-11 every 3 to 5 years would be cost effective
compared to the open-ended "war on terror," not counting
the direct costs of Homeland Security, the TSA, NSA, etc.
and the non-economic costs of the loss of individual
privacy, and warrantless searches of luggage, vehicles,
computers, etc. at every opportunity.
--
Unka' George

Would you offer yourself as a likely victim, as our military and
embassy personnel do?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kayla_Mueller

I had my turn at it.
-jsw

On 4/28/2015 2:48 PM, F. George McDuffee wrote:
On Tue, 28 Apr 2015 13:50:08 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

snip
At some point, any rational person would have to consider
that the problem may not be with the other
countries/leaders, but would start considering alternate
explications, such as a pathological need for a scapegoat
"enemy" to justify domestic repressive measures

We can chant that line to the survivors of 911
===============
9-11 was indeed a tragedy, but it was not an isolated
"freak" event, rather it was the culmination of a pernicious
chain of causality, many of the links forged by US
arrogance, ignorance, and greed.

The U.S. government may have been the instrument by which
these links were forged, but the motivation was *NOT* the
"will of the people" or "popular outrage," but the greed and
doctrinaire ideology of small politically influential
groups.

No one is looking to you for an analysis of the causes of 9/11.

On Tue, 28 Apr 2015 18:23:48 -0400, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote:

"F. George McDuffee" wrote in
message ...
.... Indeed,
absorbing a 9-11 every 3 to 5 years would be cost effective
compared to the open-ended "war on terror," not counting
the direct costs of Homeland Security, the TSA, NSA, etc.
and the non-economic costs of the loss of individual
privacy, and warrantless searches of luggage, vehicles,
computers, etc. at every opportunity.
--
Unka' George

Would you offer yourself as a likely victim, as our military and
embassy personnel do?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kayla_Mueller

I had my turn at it.
-jsw

=================

==When you go looking for trouble you almost always find
it.==

The fault does not lie with the people putting their a** on
the line every day, but rather with the people that put them
in the position of having to do so. They did as they were
asked, but they were asked to do the wrong things.

For starters we could remove as many of our military and
embassy personnel as practical from "harms way," by
reducing the sizes/staffs of Embassies (possibly with
downgrade to Consulate), restricting the numbers/staffs of
Consulates to the minimum required, and restricting overseas
military deployments, with the rationale that "the devil
finds work for idle hands."

Congress is accountable for this mess as they keep enacting
the Omnibus budget bills and Continuing Resolutions that
fund these activities, while failing to enact legislation
limiting embassy staff size (thus limiting their ability to
meddle), and restricting the freedom of movement
(grounding?) of the Embassador in critical locations,
reducing their exposure.

If Stevens and Smith had been restricted to the Embassy
grounds they would most likely been alive today, and if
there was no Benghazi consulate, there could have been no
attack. http://tinyurl.com/c3vdumk


--
Unka' George

"Gold is the money of kings,
silver is the money of gentlemen,
barter is the money of peasants,
but debt is the money of slaves"

-Norm Franz, "Money and Wealth in the New Millenium"

On 4/28/2015 6:10 PM, F. George McDumpster bull****ted:

If Stevens and Smith had been restricted to the Embassy
grounds

Blaming the victims. You asshole.

On Tue, 28 Apr 2015 18:23:48 -0400, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote:

"F. George McDuffee" wrote in
message ...
.... Indeed,
absorbing a 9-11 every 3 to 5 years would be cost effective
compared to the open-ended "war on terror," not counting
the direct costs of Homeland Security, the TSA, NSA, etc.
and the non-economic costs of the loss of individual
privacy, and warrantless searches of luggage, vehicles,
computers, etc. at every opportunity.
--
Unka' George

Would you offer yourself as a likely victim, as our military and
embassy personnel do?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kayla_Mueller

I had my turn at it.
-jsw


"According to anonymous sources of American reporter Catherine
Herridge, the location of Mueller and other American hostages was
known by the White House in May 2014, but a decision on a rescue
mission was not made for seven weeks. By that time, the hostages had
been dispersed.[11]"


Seven WEEKS? Who the **** was the President? Oh..thats right...that
Socialist in the Whitehouse.....

Seven WEEKS???? That was almost 2 ****ing months!!!

On Tue, 28 Apr 2015 19:58:22 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Tue, 28 Apr 2015 18:57:04 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote:

On Tue, 28 Apr 2015 18:39:49 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Tue, 28 Apr 2015 16:48:20 -0500, F. George McDuffee
wrote:

On Tue, 28 Apr 2015 13:50:08 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

snip
At some point, any rational person would have to consider
that the problem may not be with the other
countries/leaders, but would start considering alternate
explications, such as a pathological need for a scapegoat
"enemy" to justify domestic repressive measures

We can chant that line to the survivors of 911
===============
9-11 was indeed a tragedy, but it was not an isolated
"freak" event, rather it was the culmination of a pernicious
chain of causality, many of the links forged by US
arrogance, ignorance, and greed.

Actually it was performed by 19 Muslims plus their staff who planned
the thing for over a year. This of course after the semi failed
attempt to blow up the World Trade Center a couple years prior.

Open your eyes to the larger picture, sir.

You forget my friend...what I used to do, where I used to do it..and
so on and so forth. Im not exactly a babe in the briar patch.........

I'm fully aware of that and am still wondering why your blinders are
on. shrug


The U.S. government may have been the instrument by which
these links were forged, but the motivation was *NOT* the
"will of the people" or "popular outrage," but the greed and
doctrinaire ideology of small politically influential
groups.

Odd.,,.Id have sworn it was caused by the hate of those for the Great
Satan? Did I miss something?

Our gov't all but hired those *******s to do it.

Really? Cites?

One of many which seem to indicate that they had foreknowledge and
allowed it anyway, kinda like Pearl Harbor, KWIM,V?


Google "government complicity in 9/11" for a few more.

If nothing else, the military was complicit when they didn't cancel
the so-called "simulated attack" -immediately- after the first plane
hit the first tower. Waaaaay too many things don't add up in the
story, no matter how tells it.


Odd...so we should have drawn all of our troops home and hidden inside
of our borders as the came jockies wanted us to do??? Really????

No, perhaps some CIA wet workers should have been busier.

True indeed. Who was it that took all the Humint out of the middle
east and replaced it with "electronics"? Clinton during his first
term as I recall.

And look how well that turned out...


The Left..with the full support of the East Coast RINOs..gutted our
intel sources, and then tried to spy on a 12th century culture with
****ing electronics. Nice idea..semi worked with the Ruskies..kinda
sorta..but with villagers from the 700 AD period...aint no way Jose.

Truth!


And nearly 3000 Americans and others paid the price. And another 4500
have paid the price since 911..not counting the walking wounded and
lamed who will be with us for a long time. When you see an American,
male or female , trotting along on 2 titanium legs and feet..ask them
who ****ed up and cost them their legs. Id be happy as hell to hear
you listen to them.

What have -any- of the wars in the Middle East accomplished so far?
Please, in your words. With the exception of advancements in
prosthetics, name one. No pros, all cons with the ME wars, the War on
Drugs, the War on Terror, No Child Left Behind, etc.

Bush's first Iraq war was too late to save the Kuwaitis. They pretty
much pillaged, looted, burned, and got home before we got there.

Shrub was too late to catch the WMDs and he lost a billion in cash.

We haven't done a war -right- since WWII, boys and girls. sigh

--
"I believe there are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom
of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power
than by violent and sudden usurpations."
--James Madison, Virginia Convention, June 16, 1788

On 4/28/2015 7:58 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Tue, 28 Apr 2015 18:57:04 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote:

On Tue, 28 Apr 2015 18:39:49 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Tue, 28 Apr 2015 16:48:20 -0500, F. George McDuffee
wrote:

On Tue, 28 Apr 2015 13:50:08 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

snip
At some point, any rational person would have to consider
that the problem may not be with the other
countries/leaders, but would start considering alternate
explications, such as a pathological need for a scapegoat
"enemy" to justify domestic repressive measures

We can chant that line to the survivors of 911
===============
9-11 was indeed a tragedy, but it was not an isolated
"freak" event, rather it was the culmination of a pernicious
chain of causality, many of the links forged by US
arrogance, ignorance, and greed.

Actually it was performed by 19 Muslims plus their staff who planned
the thing for over a year. This of course after the semi failed
attempt to blow up the World Trade Center a couple years prior.

Open your eyes to the larger picture, sir.

You forget my friend...what I used to do, where I used to do it..and
so on and so forth.

Shut the **** up, dweeber. You never did squatty-doo that had anything
to do with terrorists.

On 4/28/2015 8:22 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:
On Tue, 28 Apr 2015 19:58:22 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Tue, 28 Apr 2015 18:57:04 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote:

On Tue, 28 Apr 2015 18:39:49 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Tue, 28 Apr 2015 16:48:20 -0500, F. George McDuffee
wrote:

On Tue, 28 Apr 2015 13:50:08 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

snip
At some point, any rational person would have to consider
that the problem may not be with the other
countries/leaders, but would start considering alternate
explications, such as a pathological need for a scapegoat
"enemy" to justify domestic repressive measures

We can chant that line to the survivors of 911
===============
9-11 was indeed a tragedy, but it was not an isolated
"freak" event, rather it was the culmination of a pernicious
chain of causality, many of the links forged by US
arrogance, ignorance, and greed.

Actually it was performed by 19 Muslims plus their staff who planned
the thing for over a year. This of course after the semi failed
attempt to blow up the World Trade Center a couple years prior.

Open your eyes to the larger picture, sir.

You forget my friend...what I used to do, where I used to do it..and
so on and so forth. Im not exactly a babe in the briar patch.........

I'm fully aware of that and a

He's lying to you. He has *no* pertinent experience in anything to do
with terrorists.

On Tue, 28 Apr 2015 20:22:50 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote:

On Tue, 28 Apr 2015 19:58:22 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Tue, 28 Apr 2015 18:57:04 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote:

On Tue, 28 Apr 2015 18:39:49 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Tue, 28 Apr 2015 16:48:20 -0500, F. George McDuffee
wrote:

On Tue, 28 Apr 2015 13:50:08 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

snip
At some point, any rational person would have to consider
that the problem may not be with the other
countries/leaders, but would start considering alternate
explications, such as a pathological need for a scapegoat
"enemy" to justify domestic repressive measures

We can chant that line to the survivors of 911
===============
9-11 was indeed a tragedy, but it was not an isolated
"freak" event, rather it was the culmination of a pernicious
chain of causality, many of the links forged by US
arrogance, ignorance, and greed.

Actually it was performed by 19 Muslims plus their staff who planned
the thing for over a year. This of course after the semi failed
attempt to blow up the World Trade Center a couple years prior.

Open your eyes to the larger picture, sir.

You forget my friend...what I used to do, where I used to do it..and
so on and so forth. Im not exactly a babe in the briar patch.........

I'm fully aware of that and am still wondering why your blinders are
on. shrug

One of us is wearing blinders...but perhaps its not me....shrug.


The U.S. government may have been the instrument by which
these links were forged, but the motivation was *NOT* the
"will of the people" or "popular outrage," but the greed and
doctrinaire ideology of small politically influential
groups.

Odd.,,.Id have sworn it was caused by the hate of those for the Great
Satan? Did I miss something?

Our gov't all but hired those *******s to do it.

Really? Cites?

One of many which seem to indicate that they had foreknowledge and
allowed it anyway, kinda like Pearl Harbor, KWIM,V?

Seemed to have foreknowldge. Really? Cites? They were desperately
trying to run down some of those tangos...but kept missing the key
bits. The tangos planned it pretty ****ing well. Gave us a big black
eye. We have killed a hundred thousand of them over it..but it was
still embarressing.


Google "government complicity in 9/11" for a few more.

Ayup. And if you google "jews dancing over 911" you will come up with
other crap.

If nothing else, the military was complicit when they didn't cancel
the so-called "simulated attack" -immediately- after the first plane
hit the first tower. Waaaaay too many things don't add up in the
story, no matter how tells it.

When the first plane hit...they started shutting down the airplanes in
flight. Only problem..it took awhile..they werent terribly sure it
wasnt a tragic accident..and they kept stumbling over each other and
that pesky Leftwing "wall between agencies"
You remember that bit..right? Where the Leftwing bitch told the FBI to
stay out of the CIAs business and visa versa..right?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamie_Gorelick



Odd...so we should have drawn all of our troops home and hidden inside
of our borders as the came jockies wanted us to do??? Really????

No, perhaps some CIA wet workers should have been busier.

True indeed. Who was it that took all the Humint out of the middle
east and replaced it with "electronics"? Clinton during his first
term as I recall.

And look how well that turned out...

Ayup. And how well its not worked is one of the reasons we HAD 911.




The Left..with the full support of the East Coast RINOs..gutted our
intel sources, and then tried to spy on a 12th century culture with
****ing electronics. Nice idea..semi worked with the Ruskies..kinda
sorta..but with villagers from the 700 AD period...aint no way Jose.

Truth!


And nearly 3000 Americans and others paid the price. And another 4500
have paid the price since 911..not counting the walking wounded and
lamed who will be with us for a long time. When you see an American,
male or female , trotting along on 2 titanium legs and feet..ask them
who ****ed up and cost them their legs. Id be happy as hell to hear
you listen to them.

What have -any- of the wars in the Middle East accomplished so far?
Please, in your words. With the exception of advancements in
prosthetics, name one. No pros, all cons with the ME wars, the War on
Drugs, the War on Terror, No Child Left Behind, etc.

We have turned Iraq into a quasi democratic state. We freed the Kurds
and they have formed their own nation (and its doing well), we got rid
of that rat ******* Saddam and his two ******* sons,...we have killed
a ****load of Islamic fundies..killing off most of the brain power and
leaving the 3 line buffoons to run the show etc etc etc.

Bush's first Iraq war was too late to save the Kuwaitis. They pretty
much pillaged, looted, burned, and got home before we got there.

And we killed a ****load of them on their way home. "Hiway of Death"
as I recall.

Shrub was too late to catch the WMDs and he lost a billion in cash.

Shrub was gonna be too late no matter what..with most of the good
intel people gone out of the area. Fact.

We haven't done a war -right- since WWII, boys and girls. sigh

We won in Korea, we won in Vietnam (though the Democrats gave it right
back to the North in 1973...need I remind you of that factoid. And a
half dozen other places. Baltics etc etc. And of course we flattened
and destroyed Russia..the Cold War was a resounding sucess. China too
was a damned fine victory. Just not one some folks want to brag about.

Its not 90 minutes on the silver screen and then folks pick up their
coats and go home. Its real, its bloody, and its the world we live
in. Better this than WW3, dont you think?

Gunner

"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
...

One of many which seem to indicate that they had foreknowledge and
allowed it anyway, kinda like Pearl Harbor, KWIM,V?

That particular wacko conspiracy theory has been disproven. The
Japanese didn't conceal that they might attack, instead they spread
false rumors as far south as Peru to dilute our defenses. Some were
based on real and plausible plans the Japanese military had considered
and abandoned, such as attacking the Panama Canal locks.

We knew of the rumors of both overt attack and covert sabotage but
thought that Pearl's shallow water would prevent them from using
aerial torpedos, which initially dive to twice that depth, and didn't
yet appreciate that bombs could penetrate battleship deck armor, so we
dismissed the attack rumors as just more Disinformation and increased
our guard against sabotage. That's why our planes were closely grouped
in the open where we could guard them instead of being dispersed and
hidden.

They added larger wooden fins to their torpedos and made bombs from
armor-piercing artillery shells.

http://www.popsci.com/technology/art...i-pearl-harbor

-jsw

On 4/29/2015 12:43 AM, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Tue, 28 Apr 2015 20:22:50 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote:

On Tue, 28 Apr 2015 19:58:22 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Tue, 28 Apr 2015 18:57:04 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote:

On Tue, 28 Apr 2015 18:39:49 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Tue, 28 Apr 2015 16:48:20 -0500, F. George McDuffee
wrote:

On Tue, 28 Apr 2015 13:50:08 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

snip
At some point, any rational person would have to consider
that the problem may not be with the other
countries/leaders, but would start considering alternate
explications, such as a pathological need for a scapegoat
"enemy" to justify domestic repressive measures

We can chant that line to the survivors of 911
===============
9-11 was indeed a tragedy, but it was not an isolated
"freak" event, rather it was the culmination of a pernicious
chain of causality, many of the links forged by US
arrogance, ignorance, and greed.

Actually it was performed by 19 Muslims plus their staff who planned
the thing for over a year. This of course after the semi failed
attempt to blow up the World Trade Center a couple years prior.

Open your eyes to the larger picture, sir.

You forget my friend...what I used to do, where I used to do it..and
so on and so forth. Im not exactly a babe in the briar patch.........

I'm fully aware of that and am still wondering why your blinders are
on. shrug

One of us is wearing blinders...but perhaps its not me....

You're not simply wearing blinders - you're a delusional liar.


The U.S. government may have been the instrument by which
these links were forged, but the motivation was *NOT* the
"will of the people" or "popular outrage," but the greed and
doctrinaire ideology of small politically influential
groups.

Odd.,,.Id have sworn it was caused by the hate of those for the Great
Satan? Did I miss something?

Our gov't all but hired those *******s to do it.

Really? Cites?

One of many which seem to indicate that they had foreknowledge and
allowed it anyway, kinda like Pearl Harbor, KWIM,V?

Seemed to have foreknowldge. Really? Cites? They were desperately
trying to run down some of those tangos...but kept missing the key
bits. The tangos planned it pretty ****ing well. Gave us a big black
eye. We have killed a hundred thousand of them over it..but it was
still embarressing.

What's "embarressing" [sic] is that you haven't learned you've been
slapped down.

On Tue, 28 Apr 2015 20:22:50 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote:

snip
Bush's first Iraq war was too late to save the Kuwaitis. They pretty
much pillaged, looted, burned, and got home before we got there.
snip

Remember this is only one of several major events in the ME
resulting from U. S. uncoordinated and egregious meddling.

N.B. *YOU* are paying for these "fun and games" with your
(and your children's) money and blood.

*ONE* of the factors that are now contributing to the
current ME turmoil:

(1) Iraq was incited, aided, and abetted to attack Iran by
the U. S. for kicking our oil companies out, and seizing the
Embassy/taking Embassy personnel hostage (who appear, based
on documents said to have been recovered from the Embassy to
have been inciting a counter-coup as in 1952
http://tinyurl.com/augerb ), among other things.
http://tinyurl.com/or327kr

(2) Iraq was loaned huge sums of money by the U. S. via
Italy to finance his war against Iran, which he was unable
to repay. see
http://tinyurl.com/octde8a
http://tinyurl.com/psd7gvm
http://tinyurl.com/neohqjj

(3) There appears to have been gross miscommunication about
the need to repay the loans in that Hussein seems to have
been given the impression he could attack Kuwait, and seize
their oil to repay. The U. S. Iraqi Ambassador, April
Galspie never made clear what was communicated to Hussein.
http://tinyurl.com/kxf7l
http://tinyurl.com/nhhlbj2
snip
10. Hussein therefore began to think about using his armed
forces to insist upon resolution of the border and monetary
disputes. He threatened to do so about a year before the
August 2nd invasion at OPEC and Arab League meetings; hence
the now famous meetings with Robert Dole and other US
senators[5] in April, 1990 and April Glaspie in July, 1990.

At that July meeting, less than a month before the invasion
of Kuwait, Hussein complained that the borders of Kuwait and
Iraq were drawn in colonial times, by colonial powers.
Glaspie replied, “"We studied history at school. They taught
us to say freedom or death. I think you know well that we...
have our experience with the colonialists. We have no
opinion on the Arab-Arab conflicts, like your border
disagreement with Kuwait."
/snip

(4) It appears there was a total lack of communications
within the U. S. government, with the [rogue] banking
faction urging Hussein on to get their money back, and the
Presidential faction [Bush I had close ties with Kuwait, who
may not have know about the attack plans] defending Kuwait
(after the fact). Almost all of the "evidence" justifying
the US-Iraq war was fantasy, echoing the Gulf of Tonkin. for
one example [WMD are another] see
http://tinyurl.com/5t854sd
and
http://tinyurl.com/nc5wlve [this is totally suborned /
purjured testamony. It is not known if this was sworn
testamony, but an Oscar winning performance...]


--
Unka' George

"Gold is the money of kings,
silver is the money of gentlemen,
barter is the money of peasants,
but debt is the money of slaves"

-Norm Franz, "Money and Wealth in the New Millenium"

On 4/29/2015 7:56 AM, F. George McDuffee wrote:
On Tue, 28 Apr 2015 20:22:50 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote:

snip
Bush's first Iraq war was too late to save the Kuwaitis. They pretty
much pillaged, looted, burned, and got home before we got there.
snip

Remember this is only one of several major events in the ME
resulting from U. S. uncoordinated and egregious meddling.

You've already been told, numerical-control-duffer: no one takes
lectures on international affairs from you.