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Welp! Today I had a bunch of 20% off coupons ready to expired, so I put on my plaid long sleeve shirt, dark glasses and camouflaged cap, went in and bought a nice drill. Then went back to the car, changed shirts, took off the cap and sunglasses, went back in and bought a nice saw. Then went back out, took off the shirt and went back in my tee shirt and a floppy hat and bought a tarp. I still had coupons but ran out of clothes.

$5 says that both tools break within a year.


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Welp! Today I had a bunch of 20% off coupons ready to expired, so I put on my plaid long sleeve shirt, dark glasses and camouflaged cap, went in and bought a nice drill. Then went back to the car, changed shirts, took off the cap and sunglasses, went back in and bought a nice saw. Then went back out, took off the shirt and went back in my tee shirt and a floppy hat and bought a tarp. I still had coupons but ran out of clothes.

$5 says that both tools break within a year.


Tomorrow is the expiration date. I plan to wear bicycle shorts underneath some overalls, a raincoat and a poncho.

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On Tue, 17 Feb 2015 19:48:18 -0800, "Snuffy \"Hub Cap\" McKinney"
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Welp! Today I had a bunch of 20% off coupons ready to expired, so I put on my plaid long sleeve shirt, dark glasses and camouflaged cap, went in and bought a nice drill. Then went back to the car, changed shirts, took off the cap and sunglasses, went back in and bought a nice saw. Then went back out, took off the shirt and went back in my tee shirt and a floppy hat and bought a tarp. I still had coupons but ran out of clothes.


No need for clothes changes. I take handfuls of coupons in every time
I shop there, plus I have the Inside Track Club card. For redeeming
multiple 20% coups, I do try to change checkers, though, JIC.


$5 says that both tools break within a year.


What saw and what drill? I may take you up on that bet.

One caveat on the drills. They don't like to do low-speed hi-torque
work. Mine smelled really bad the first time I did that, but it's
still kicking.

Another thing, check the brushes are seated on any replaceable-brush
motor you get from them. One brush on a brand new chop saw didn't fare
well and it smoked the motor on the third, harder cut.

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Izzat you, frnak?


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Welp! Today I had a bunch of 20% off coupons ready to expired, so I put on my plaid long sleeve shirt, dark glasses and camouflaged cap, went in and bought a nice drill. Then went back to the car, changed shirts, took off the cap and sunglasses, went back in and bought a nice saw. Then went back out, took off the shirt and went back in my tee shirt and a floppy hat and bought a tarp. I still had coupons but ran out of clothes.

$5 says that both tools break within a year.


Tomorrow is the expiration date. I plan to wear bicycle shorts underneath some overalls, a raincoat and a poncho.


I find that trying to buy the tools when on sale is an even better
deal, usually 35-50% off. I toss a single 20-percenter on top for
good measure, and they usually fly. The downside is that I get daily
emails from HFT. I did get the $299 airless paint sprayer for $135
that way, though. And the $299 12" SCMS for $159. And the $229 3hp
(searz) compressor for $143. Everything goes on sale at least once a
year, so I can usually afford to wait. 20% coupons come to me through
3 sources (mags, newspaper, email daily), monthly, so I generally have
one or more to use at any given time.

I buy my hard-daily-use name-brand tools elsewhere, like Amazon and
HD.

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"Snuffy "Hub Cap" McKinney" wrote in message ...
Welp! Today I had a bunch of 20% off coupons ready to expired, so I put on my plaid long sleeve shirt, dark glasses and camouflaged cap, went in and bought a nice drill. Then went back to the car, changed shirts, took off the cap and sunglasses, went back in and bought a nice saw. Then went back out, took off the shirt and went back in my tee shirt and a floppy hat and bought a tarp. I still had coupons but ran out of clothes.

$5 says that both tools break within a year.

Tomorrow is the expiration date. I plan to wear bicycle shorts underneath some overalls, a raincoat and a poncho.

Anybody know if thrift stores still carry wigs?



I keep looking at that compound sliding miter saw that goes on sale
for $89.
I have a miter saw and a radial arm, but that compound sliding miter saw
would be handy on occasion.
I just now note they have 3 versions.
With some differences in miter capacity and bevel cut capacity and RPM.
It seems the laser guide has the least capacity.
I'm glad I noticed this, I don't want to see the low capacity unit go on
sale and me jump on it then find out the limited capacity.

http://www.harborfreight.com/10-in-c...tem-61973.html


http://www.harborfreight.com/10-in-s...saw-61307.html


http://www.harborfreight.com/10-inch...saw-98199.html


We just recently got a store opened in our city. My wife
went shopping there and bought some wheels for a cart, she
even got the free multimeter as a gift for me!


Really? As an electrical instructor, are you even the slightest bit worried about using a cheap multimeter?


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Really? As an electrical instructor, are you even the slightest bit
worried about using a cheap multimeter?


That's sort of a 'mixed bag'. I would never use one of those myself,
except to get a quick check of the meter itself, to verify it was
_reasonably_ accurate.

However, I install equipment for folks who are not usually technically-
competent at fixing equipment (being competent at making things that go
"BANG", instead), and there are sometimes things I can do "with their
hands" over the phone to help trouble-shoot problems.

If they don't even own an instrument, I'll pick up one of those to leave
with them (checking it first, of course), just so I don't have to pick up
my car keys every time the phone rings.

LLoyd


I used to buy the HF $2.99 meters (now $3,99) by the dozen and give
them to my customers who were out of state and hard to get to. They
worked well enough for a quick diagnosis of equipment over the phone.
I had guys calling me up to ask how to test their cable TV coax (dogs
got it) and their light switches and their servo amps on CNC lathes.
Those meters worked well enough for that with no issues noted. Other
than the guy who went to get his meter to check his coax..and his
dobbies had eaten the meter as well. Shrug.

Gunner

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miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied,
demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless.
Liberalism is a philosophy of sniveling brats."
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Those meters worked well enough for that with no issues noted.


Uh, huh! And a LOT cheaper than driving to their site, both for you AND
them.

Besides that, it gives the customer a sort of "ownership" of the problem,
when they can help trouble-shoot it. That goes a long way toward cementing
personal relationships with your customers. They KNOW they saved a bunch
by doing it, and it makes them feel pretty good about it.

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On Wed, 18 Feb 2015 08:30:54 -0600, "Lloyd E. Sponenburgh"
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Really? As an electrical instructor, are you even the slightest bit
worried about using a cheap multimeter?


That's sort of a 'mixed bag'. I would never use one of those myself,
except to get a quick check of the meter itself, to verify it was
_reasonably_ accurate.

However, I install equipment for folks who are not usually technically-
competent at fixing equipment (being competent at making things that go
"BANG", instead), and there are sometimes things I can do "with their
hands" over the phone to help trouble-shoot problems.

If they don't even own an instrument, I'll pick up one of those to leave
with them (checking it first, of course), just so I don't have to pick up
my car keys every time the phone rings.

LLoyd


I used to buy the HF $2.99 meters (now $3,99) by the dozen and give
them to my customers who were out of state and hard to get to. They
worked well enough for a quick diagnosis of equipment over the phone.
I had guys calling me up to ask how to test their cable TV coax (dogs
got it) and their light switches and their servo amps on CNC lathes.
Those meters worked well enough for that with no issues noted. Other
than the guy who went to get his meter to check his coax..and his
dobbies had eaten the meter as well. Shrug.

Gunner


Speaking of dogs..the wife and I just spent the past 30 minutes
looking for my ID, bank cards, CCW etc etc that were in my
wallet...well..the wallet I used to own...the wallet I recently
purchased..one of the few leather ones Ive ever owned..and had grown
to like...the wallet Id laid under my monitor last night before going
to bed..the wallet that I found in a bunch of well chewed pieces under
my desk, and in the back yard and under the kitchen table and in the
hallway and in my shop. Found about half the wallet itself. The rest
will turn up in about 8 hours..the contents..found most of them..even
found the handcuff key I keep tucked away in it...most..most of it was
in ok shape..the most important things..the DL and the Wells Fargo
card were not too badly damaged..the new O'Reilly autoparts card was
only half there..the Autozone card..mostly there..the rest..in varible
shape. Sigh..Id bought that wallet to replace the nylon wallet that
one of the dogs had gotten and found it in a number of places as well.

Id beat the hell out of whoever did it..but most of them slept with me
all night..and I dont know which one got it. Ive got to go to LA in
an hour or so..but the wife will watch the dogs and see if she can
spot one of the ****ting ot the other half..and that dog will be
watched like a hawk..and first time (I suspect Sally) we catch her
chewing something of mine..she gets a hell of a beating.

My business cards were in perfect shape.

$24 for a wallet for a Christmas present to myself...**** out a dogs
ass....damnit

Gunner

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miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied,
demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless.
Liberalism is a philosophy of sniveling brats."
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Really? As an electrical instructor, are you even the slightest bit
worried about using a cheap multimeter?

That's sort of a 'mixed bag'. I would never use one of those myself,
except to get a quick check of the meter itself, to verify it was
_reasonably_ accurate.

However, I install equipment for folks who are not usually technically-
competent at fixing equipment (being competent at making things that go
"BANG", instead), and there are sometimes things I can do "with their
hands" over the phone to help trouble-shoot problems.

If they don't even own an instrument, I'll pick up one of those to leave
with them (checking it first, of course), just so I don't have to pick up
my car keys every time the phone rings.

LLoyd


I used to buy the HF $2.99 meters (now $3,99) by the dozen and give
them to my customers who were out of state and hard to get to. They
worked well enough for a quick diagnosis of equipment over the phone.
I had guys calling me up to ask how to test their cable TV coax (dogs
got it) and their light switches and their servo amps on CNC lathes.
Those meters worked well enough for that with no issues noted. Other
than the guy who went to get his meter to check his coax..and his
dobbies had eaten the meter as well. Shrug.

Gunner


Speaking of dogs..the wife and I just spent the past 30 minutes


You don't have a wife, gummer. You said she left for good a couple of
years ago.

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Really? As an electrical instructor, are you even the slightest
bit
worried about using a cheap multimeter?


That's sort of a 'mixed bag'. I would never use one of those
myself,
except to get a quick check of the meter itself, to verify it was
_reasonably_ accurate.

However, I install equipment for folks who are not usually
technically-
competent at fixing equipment (being competent at making things that
go
"BANG", instead), and there are sometimes things I can do "with
their
hands" over the phone to help trouble-shoot problems.

If they don't even own an instrument, I'll pick up one of those to
leave
with them (checking it first, of course), just so I don't have to
pick up
my car keys every time the phone rings.

LLoyd


I used to buy the HF $2.99 meters (now $3,99) by the dozen and give
them to my customers who were out of state and hard to get to. They
worked well enough for a quick diagnosis of equipment over the
phone.
I had guys calling me up to ask how to test their cable TV coax
(dogs
got it) and their light switches and their servo amps on CNC lathes.
Those meters worked well enough for that with no issues noted. Other
than the guy who went to get his meter to check his coax..and his
dobbies had eaten the meter as well. Shrug.

Gunner


The HF DVMs have an internal calibration pot that can bring them
within 2 counts of a good meter. Mine were generally within 5 counts
at 12.00V as received. 500 VDC from a Megger's guard terminal hasn't
fried a meter or its included test leads, which I just unplugged,
twisted together and measured as 1000 MegOhms at 1000 VDC.

I use better quality probes and leads to check the power line.

-jsw


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I use better quality probes and leads to check the power line.


Well, since everything on my machines except for incoming power is
(usually) at 48V or lower, I'd say those leads will hold up pretty well to
any 'corona' that might develop! G

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On 2/17/2015 9:53 PM, Snuffy "Hub Cap" McKinney wrote:
We just recently got a store opened in our city. My wife went
shopping there and bought some wheels for a cart, she even got the
free multimeter as a gift for me!


Really? As an electrical instructor, are you even the slightest bit
worried about using a cheap multimeter?


I have a bunch of them around. They are all well within tolerances.
I have tested a few and they matched my Fluke meters reading for reading.
The test leads are not the best but for probably 95% of what a meter is
used for they work.

They are great for the average person as well as a "training" meter. I'd
much rather a newbie burned up a (free-3.00) meter than a ($4-500.00) Fluke!


I dont worry about them burning up a Fluke. I do worry about them
bashing/smashing/losing/Letting the dobies eat a Fluke.

Even with the superb rubber armor...they are not "indestructable"
Or dobie proof.
Shrug




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I have a bunch of them around. They are all well within tolerances.
I have tested a few and they matched my Fluke meters reading for reading.
The test leads are not the best but for probably 95% of what a meter is
used for they work.


Steve W.


That is my experience too. I built a voltage standard and was surprised at how accurate those cheap HF meters are.

Dan

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Humm..counting the 8060As and the bench tops...I may have around
10.....Crom!!


Have you ever tinkered with an 8060A?

I bought one real cheap that worked fine in the store but became
intermittent at home. I suspect the pushbutton switch contacts. Before
I tear into it I'd like to hear first-hand what works and more
importantly what doesn't.

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My "good" meter is a Mastech MS8209. 'Taint a Fluke, but I don't need
one. I've happily used the sound meter, thermocouple, LUX meter
(recently on LEDs to test relative output/efficiency), and love the
beeping ohmeter. The clamp-on has a beeper, too.


Sigh..my hearing has so many holes in it..I generally cant hear
beeping anymore. I went for a hearing test some years ago..and the
tech stood there reading the printout..looked up, blinked..and asked
if Id had a serious head injury. My hearing results looked like it
had been shot with a shotgun.


That, and too many rifle and handgun rounds, eh? Or do you wear ear
protection on the range? Suckage about your hearing holes and not
being able to hear the beeps. I adore that function of the VOMs,
especially for repetitive testing in tight places.


Though to be fair...I can buy about 5 of the HF meters for (1) of the
Flukes.
Ive got at least 6 Fluke meters though..love em!! Wish I could
afford a Fluke scope (cringe!!!)

Humm..counting the 8060As and the bench tops...I may have around
10.....Crom!!


Obsess much? (On pets or meters?)


Who...me? (looking around)...why yes..I do...comes from growing up
semi-poor and a technology freak with wide interests and little cash.



Gunner, Fluke Freak...whimper...


g


(not counting the Tektronics bench tops, the RatShacks, the Simpsons
etc etc etc)


That little Circuitmate function gen was indeed bad.
She no make pretty pictures on the scope at all.


Damn. Well...well..fix it!

Or ask one of the electronics wonks here to take a look at it. They
arent complicated.

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!to...ng/L9EKhM3duT4


Hah! You tried before me?


Try here...

http://digilander.libero.it/chopin.i...eneratori.html


"Nessun risultato trovato per circuitmate"
You don't read French and I don't read Italian.


I was getting "some" signal last time I used it..but its been a couple
years.
Ill see what else Ive got ratholed and when you come back to pick up
the rest of the stuff you left behind...and go shooting and
sailing..it will be here waiting for you.
G


I'm just hoping Lee does a drive-by soon... It's a long way to your
house. I'm still ****ed at not being able to get to the range with
you, but as you saw, I could barely stand up. Damn, I hate getting
sick. By the time I got home, the flu/cold had pretty much run its
course, but the double sinus infection had really blossomed. It took
2 courses of Z-pack to finally kill 'em.


Ill bet you could probably talk Michael into fixing it for
you...maybe.


I haven't popped the top, though I did with the HP DVM. I saw nothing
inside which I could even attempt to work on. It was so securely
shielded from stray RF that it would take a day just to get its armor
off. g

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Humm..counting the 8060As and the bench tops...I may have around
10.....Crom!!


Have you ever tinkered with an 8060A?

I bought one real cheap that worked fine in the store but became
intermittent at home. I suspect the pushbutton switch contacts. Before
I tear into it I'd like to hear first-hand what works and more
importantly what doesn't.

Primum non nocere
-jsw

They are well known for having dirty switch contact issues when they
get old or are unused for a while.

Pop the case and spritz the switch bodies with some oil filled tuner
cleaner (yah..people are going to scream..Oil! Oh no!!) or some
BreakFree (go easy with it!) Then blow it and the excess goop out
with your air hose (no water please!) Or pick your favorite contact
cleaner. YMMV

Ive had to futz with several of them over the years simply because of
this. I put most of them up and went to meters with rotary dials
simply because the rotary were easier to use after the stroke and
having been mentus minimal for a year or so. I need to dig em back out
an clean em up and put new batteries in them..now that Im back to
normal....twitch..spazm...flutter....

Depending on age/use..you may..may have switches which are simply worn
out..but Ive never seen one.

Hell..I ought to put half my gear on Ebay...Ive got way..way too much
Stuff and I dont use 70% of it.

Gunner

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miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied,
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Humm..counting the 8060As and the bench tops...I may have around
10.....Crom!!


Have you ever tinkered with an 8060A?

I bought one real cheap that worked fine in the store but became
intermittent at home. I suspect the pushbutton switch contacts. Before
I tear into it I'd like to hear first-hand what works and more
importantly what doesn't.


During my meager time as a test tech, I discovered that the spray
contact cleaner designed for switches worked wonders on our old
equipment. Clean, debride g, deox, lube.
https://www.google.com/search?q=spray+contact+cleaner

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That little Circuitmate function gen was indeed bad.
She no make pretty pictures on the scope at all.


Damn. Well...well..fix it!


Found a manual:
http://elektrotanya.com/beckman_fg2_.../download.html

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On Thu, 19 Feb 2015 03:58:24 -0800, Gunner Asch
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On Wed, 18 Feb 2015 19:34:53 -0800, Larry Jaques
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My "good" meter is a Mastech MS8209. 'Taint a Fluke, but I don't need
one. I've happily used the sound meter, thermocouple, LUX meter
(recently on LEDs to test relative output/efficiency), and love the
beeping ohmeter. The clamp-on has a beeper, too.


Sigh..my hearing has so many holes in it..I generally cant hear
beeping anymore. I went for a hearing test some years ago..and the
tech stood there reading the printout..looked up, blinked..and asked
if Id had a serious head injury. My hearing results looked like it
had been shot with a shotgun.


That, and too many rifle and handgun rounds, eh? Or do you wear ear
protection on the range? Suckage about your hearing holes and not
being able to hear the beeps. I adore that function of the VOMs,
especially for repetitive testing in tight places.


I was the recipient of a H&I round of 155 mm arty which lodged a bit
of driving band in my skull and shredded both of my eardrums.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TBl9cwanbI

40 yrs of competitive shooting since then, plus advancing age have
taken its toll. Frankly..Im very..very lucky to be able to hear at
all. In fact...Im ginsalucky to be alive.





Though to be fair...I can buy about 5 of the HF meters for (1) of the
Flukes.
Ive got at least 6 Fluke meters though..love em!! Wish I could
afford a Fluke scope (cringe!!!)

Humm..counting the 8060As and the bench tops...I may have around
10.....Crom!!

Obsess much? (On pets or meters?)


Who...me? (looking around)...why yes..I do...comes from growing up
semi-poor and a technology freak with wide interests and little cash.



Gunner, Fluke Freak...whimper...

g


(not counting the Tektronics bench tops, the RatShacks, the Simpsons
etc etc etc)

That little Circuitmate function gen was indeed bad.
She no make pretty pictures on the scope at all.


Damn. Well...well..fix it!

Or ask one of the electronics wonks here to take a look at it. They
arent complicated.

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!to...ng/L9EKhM3duT4


Hah! You tried before me?


Stroke remember? I dont remember posting that 6 yrs ago. When I found
it..I was amused. I got over any surprise years ago.


Try here...

http://digilander.libero.it/chopin.i...eneratori.html


"Nessun risultato trovato per circuitmate"
You don't read French and I don't read Italian.


Actually the file is in english. I downloaded it for you but if you
found it...go ahead and save us both some effort. Circuit seems
pretty simple.




I was getting "some" signal last time I used it..but its been a couple
years.
Ill see what else Ive got ratholed and when you come back to pick up
the rest of the stuff you left behind...and go shooting and
sailing..it will be here waiting for you.
G


I'm just hoping Lee does a drive-by soon... It's a long way to your
house. I'm still ****ed at not being able to get to the range with
you, but as you saw, I could barely stand up. Damn, I hate getting
sick. By the time I got home, the flu/cold had pretty much run its
course, but the double sinus infection had really blossomed. It took
2 courses of Z-pack to finally kill 'em.


Ayup..I felt rather sorry for you..you most definately were under the
weather..bout 60 fathoms under


Ill bet you could probably talk Michael into fixing it for
you...maybe.


I haven't popped the top, though I did with the HP DVM. I saw nothing
inside which I could even attempt to work on. It was so securely
shielded from stray RF that it would take a day just to get its armor
off. g


The Aglient DVM was working last time I used it. It isnt now?
Dont remember if we tried it or not when you were here.


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Or ask one of the electronics wonks here to take a look at it. They
arent complicated.

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!to...ng/L9EKhM3duT4


Hah! You tried before me?


Stroke remember? I dont remember posting that 6 yrs ago. When I found
it..I was amused. I got over any surprise years ago.


Btw...it was..was working according to this post. As I recall..and the
post confirms..the sawtooth waveform had a half round side..probably a
bad cap..

"
Gunner Asch wrote:

Needing a manual for a Circuitmate 9020 scope and a Circuitmate FG2
function generator, picked up on Ebay.

There are some features of the scope I need a better understanding of,
and the function geny has a deformed waveform so need a
schematic..likely a bad cap, but..shrug"


I bought a lot of gear the 2 yrs before the stroke. Id done a project
where I made a fair amount of money and I stocked up on arms, ammo,
reloading equipment and electronic gear along with tools and work
related stuff. I found a surplus shop down in LA area that was
selling test equipment for pennies on the dollar on Ebay. Wish I
could remember where they were though. Id go by and see if they are
still around. I bought a lot of gear in there for myself and friends.
Owned by ornimentals..Vietnamese IRRC..right next to a wholsale
butcher who gave me GREAT prices on hot sausages, in a little
industrial "strip mall". Cannot remember where it was though I have
bit and pieces of the trip(s) I made. Shrug

Fortunately I have a good sense of humor about myself..else Id have
been devistated about how much I lost (languages) and how much Ive
forgotten. **** happens and if one lets it eat at him...there wont be
much left after too long. Shrug

(Grin)




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On Thu, 19 Feb 2015 03:58:24 -0800, Gunner Asch
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I wrote:
That little Circuitmate function gen was indeed bad.
She no make pretty pictures on the scope at all.


Damn. Well...well..fix it!


Found a manual:
http://elektrotanya.com/beckman_fg2_.../download.html


I figured you would/could


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Humm..counting the 8060As and the bench tops...I may have around
10.....Crom!!


Have you ever tinkered with an 8060A?

I bought one real cheap that worked fine in the store but became
intermittent at home. I suspect the pushbutton switch contacts.
Before
I tear into it I'd like to hear first-hand what works and more
importantly what doesn't.


During my meager time as a test tech, I discovered that the spray
contact cleaner designed for switches worked wonders on our old
equipment. Clean, debride g, deox, lube.
https://www.google.com/search?q=spray+contact+cleaner


I bought the 8060A during the summer and set it aside as a winter
repair project.

The upper A V ? button fails the [PowerOn + REL] switch test:
http://pdf.datasheetarchive.com/inde...SADA001160.pdf

It passes the ratio test with 9999. PowerOn + --)))

My choices are CRC MAF and general-purpose contact cleaner, 91%
isopropyl alcohol, Deoxit and Deoxit Gold. I've never tried Deoxit,
the others have worked well enough for me on more accessible wiping
contacts like the harness connectors in my truck. Here's the issue,
see 2.4:
http://www.brentek.com/pdfs/DRY_Applications.pdf

At Unitrode we used semiconductor-grade 91% isopropyl to clean new
boards and bare wafers after Freon was prohibited. I have the
Walmart-grade.

http://mrmodemhead.com/blog/fluke-8060a-repair/
"The switch assemblies make it hard to fully clean the circuit board
with IPA (isopropyl alcohol), which is usually step #1 in any
restoration project."

Internet opinions on contact cleaners vary. Any soluble contamination
is likely to enter the switch, and once inside it's nearly impossible
to remove, so I'm asking for hands-on experience.

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On Thu, 19 Feb 2015 07:21:05 -0500, "Jim Wilkins"
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Humm..counting the 8060As and the bench tops...I may have around
10.....Crom!!

Have you ever tinkered with an 8060A?

I bought one real cheap that worked fine in the store but became
intermittent at home. I suspect the pushbutton switch contacts.
Before
I tear into it I'd like to hear first-hand what works and more
importantly what doesn't.


During my meager time as a test tech, I discovered that the spray
contact cleaner designed for switches worked wonders on our old
equipment. Clean, debride g, deox, lube.
https://www.google.com/search?q=spray+contact+cleaner


I bought the 8060A during the summer and set it aside as a winter
repair project.

The upper A V ? button fails the [PowerOn + REL] switch test:
http://pdf.datasheetarchive.com/inde...SADA001160.pdf

It passes the ratio test with 9999. PowerOn + --)))

My choices are CRC MAF and general-purpose contact cleaner, 91%
isopropyl alcohol, Deoxit and Deoxit Gold. I've never tried Deoxit,
the others have worked well enough for me on more accessible wiping
contacts like the harness connectors in my truck. Here's the issue,
see 2.4:
http://www.brentek.com/pdfs/DRY_Applications.pdf

At Unitrode we used semiconductor-grade 91% isopropyl to clean new
boards and bare wafers after Freon was prohibited. I have the
Walmart-grade.

http://mrmodemhead.com/blog/fluke-8060a-repair/
"The switch assemblies make it hard to fully clean the circuit board
with IPA (isopropyl alcohol), which is usually step #1 in any
restoration project."

Internet opinions on contact cleaners vary. Any soluble contamination
is likely to enter the switch, and once inside it's nearly impossible
to remove, so I'm asking for hands-on experience.

-jsw

I assume you have seen this?

http://mrmodemhead.com/blog/fluke-8060a-repair/

And this?

http://assets.fluke.com/manuals/8060a_3vimeng0200.pdf


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demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless.
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Humm..counting the 8060As and the bench tops...I may have around
10.....Crom!!

Have you ever tinkered with an 8060A?

I bought one real cheap that worked fine in the store but became
intermittent at home. I suspect the pushbutton switch contacts.
Before
I tear into it I'd like to hear first-hand what works and more
importantly what doesn't.

During my meager time as a test tech, I discovered that the spray
contact cleaner designed for switches worked wonders on our old
equipment. Clean, debride g, deox, lube.
https://www.google.com/search?q=spray+contact+cleaner


I bought the 8060A during the summer and set it aside as a winter
repair project.

The upper A V ? button fails the [PowerOn + REL] switch test:
http://pdf.datasheetarchive.com/inde...SADA001160.pdf

It passes the ratio test with 9999. PowerOn + --)))

My choices are CRC MAF and general-purpose contact cleaner, 91%
isopropyl alcohol, Deoxit and Deoxit Gold. I've never tried Deoxit,
the others have worked well enough for me on more accessible wiping
contacts like the harness connectors in my truck. Here's the issue,
see 2.4:
http://www.brentek.com/pdfs/DRY_Applications.pdf

At Unitrode we used semiconductor-grade 91% isopropyl to clean new
boards and bare wafers after Freon was prohibited. I have the
Walmart-grade.

http://mrmodemhead.com/blog/fluke-8060a-repair/
"The switch assemblies make it hard to fully clean the circuit board
with IPA (isopropyl alcohol), which is usually step #1 in any
restoration project."

Internet opinions on contact cleaners vary. Any soluble
contamination
is likely to enter the switch, and once inside it's nearly
impossible
to remove, so I'm asking for hands-on experience.

-jsw

I assume you have seen this?

http://mrmodemhead.com/blog/fluke-8060a-repair/

And this?

http://assets.fluke.com/manuals/8060a_3vimeng0200.pdf


I referenced and quoted from the first one.

The second applies to a higher serial number range than my meter,
which is why I mentioned the older datasheetarchive file instead of
either of the two newer Fluke .pdfs

Thanks for looking.

-jsw


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[ ... ]

My "good" meter is a Mastech MS8209. 'Taint a Fluke, but I don't need
one. I've happily used the sound meter, thermocouple, LUX meter
(recently on LEDs to test relative output/efficiency), and love the
beeping ohmeter. The clamp-on has a beeper, too.


Sigh..my hearing has so many holes in it..I generally cant hear
beeping anymore. I went for a hearing test some years ago..and the
tech stood there reading the printout..looked up, blinked..and asked
if Id had a serious head injury. My hearing results looked like it
had been shot with a shotgun.


My high frequency hearing (everything above 2 KHz) has been gone
since at least high school (before I started shooting, so we can't blame
that. :-)

I bought a Fluke 77 some years ago, and wound up selling it to a
co-worker. I could not hear the continuity beeper. So, I got a Fluke
27 (physically larger, and a lower pitch beeper) so I don't have to ask
my wife to be a beep repeater. :-)

In particular, I like the double short beep for the proper
forward voltage drop on a silcon diode, or transistor junction.

Enjoy,
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On Thu, 19 Feb 2015 07:21:05 -0500, "Jim Wilkins"
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[ ... ]

My choices are CRC MAF and general-purpose contact cleaner, 91%
isopropyl alcohol, Deoxit and Deoxit Gold. I've never tried Deoxit,
the others have worked well enough for me on more accessible wiping
contacts like the harness connectors in my truck. Here's the issue,
see 2.4:
http://www.brentek.com/pdfs/DRY_Applications.pdf


I've never tried DeOxit Gold, but I have used DeOxit, and its
predecessor from the same company, Cramolin, and found both to be very
good -- including for spraying into the end of a push-button switch
assembly of the kind likely to be in the piano-key Flukes.

I've used it on some aging switches of similar nature in various
7000 series Tektronix plugins.

[ ... ]

Internet opinions on contact cleaners vary. Any soluble contamination
is likely to enter the switch, and once inside it's nearly impossible
to remove, so I'm asking for hands-on experience.


Well ... you have my opinion about the DeOxit and the switch
assemblies. Hold the board so the DeOxit will flow through the switch
as you spritz in with the skinny nose tube, cycle the switches a number
of times, then follow with another round of DeOxit. (Or use the red and
blue varieties, if you have both. -- I was once told that the two colors
differed only in the color dye in them, and this was to encourage the
following of the instructions of cleaning with one spritz and then
protecting/lubricating with the other.

Good Luck,
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On Thu, 19 Feb 2015 04:50:54 -0800, Larry Jaques
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On Thu, 19 Feb 2015 03:58:24 -0800, Gunner Asch
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On Wed, 18 Feb 2015 19:34:53 -0800, Larry Jaques
wrote:


My "good" meter is a Mastech MS8209. 'Taint a Fluke, but I don't need
one. I've happily used the sound meter, thermocouple, LUX meter
(recently on LEDs to test relative output/efficiency), and love the
beeping ohmeter. The clamp-on has a beeper, too.

Sigh..my hearing has so many holes in it..I generally cant hear
beeping anymore. I went for a hearing test some years ago..and the
tech stood there reading the printout..looked up, blinked..and asked
if Id had a serious head injury. My hearing results looked like it
had been shot with a shotgun.


That, and too many rifle and handgun rounds, eh? Or do you wear ear
protection on the range? Suckage about your hearing holes and not
being able to hear the beeps. I adore that function of the VOMs,
especially for repetitive testing in tight places.


I was the recipient of a H&I round of 155 mm arty which lodged a bit
of driving band in my skull and shredded both of my eardrums.


Friendly fire? Bummer!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TBl9cwanbI


Jayzuss! You can really hear the shrapnel whizzing on by, can't you?
Well, if you weren't hit by it and had your eardrums shredded. Crazy,
mon!

40 yrs of competitive shooting since then, plus advancing age have
taken its toll. Frankly..Im very..very lucky to be able to hear at
all. In fact...Im ginsalucky to be alive.


Damned straight. Goodonya, mate!


Damn. Well...well..fix it!

Or ask one of the electronics wonks here to take a look at it. They
arent complicated.

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!to...ng/L9EKhM3duT4


Hah! You tried before me?


Stroke remember? I dont remember posting that 6 yrs ago. When I found
it..I was amused. I got over any surprise years ago.


That's proving to be darned unhandy at times, isn't it?


Try here...

http://digilander.libero.it/chopin.i...eneratori.html


"Nessun risultato trovato per circuitmate"
You don't read French and I don't read Italian.


Actually the file is in english. I downloaded it for you but if you
found it...go ahead and save us both some effort. Circuit seems
pretty simple.


I haven't even opened it yet. A little RF dimmer switch with remote
came in the mail today and I soldered a jack to the LED string. It
works beautifully with the (low light) single 3528s. I'll be using it
on one of these strings: hi-dens 3528 (120/m) or single 5630s (60/m
or 300 per 5m string.) It cost $2.82 with free shipping from
Shenzen, China. New switching (vs xfrm) wall wart p/s are $2.60 with
free shipping. Get a couple of the dimmers and keep one in your
pocket, the other velcroed to the bulkhead of your fave boat and have
mood lighting. High for reading, low for lurking. Go 5050 or 5630
for the brightness, though a single string of 3528s would light up
that little cabin pretty nicely, I'll bet.


I was getting "some" signal last time I used it..but its been a couple
years.
Ill see what else Ive got ratholed and when you come back to pick up
the rest of the stuff you left behind...and go shooting and
sailing..it will be here waiting for you.
G


I'm just hoping Lee does a drive-by soon... It's a long way to your
house. I'm still ****ed at not being able to get to the range with
you, but as you saw, I could barely stand up. Damn, I hate getting
sick. By the time I got home, the flu/cold had pretty much run its
course, but the double sinus infection had really blossomed. It took
2 courses of Z-pack to finally kill 'em.


Ayup..I felt rather sorry for you..you most definately were under the
weather..bout 60 fathoms under


It felt more like 20,000 leagues.

The bug hit me right as I was carting Mom around in the wheelchair,
then I had to help set up the reception (up and down ladders for 3
hours.) By the time the reception was on, I was completely out of it.
I drove to your house 2 days later, with the blinding headache from
the (first of two) sinus infection starting to flare up. Some
vacation. sigh After I loaded up at your house, I drove to my
sister's and died overnight. Her fresh chicken soup helped a lot. g
After making it home the next day, I spent the next two weeks in bed.
All of October was gone before I started to bring in any more wages.
Sucked, it did!


Ill bet you could probably talk Michael into fixing it for
you...maybe.


I haven't popped the top, though I did with the HP DVM. I saw nothing
inside which I could even attempt to work on. It was so securely
shielded from stray RF that it would take a day just to get its armor
off. g


The Aglient DVM was working last time I used it. It isnt now?
Dont remember if we tried it or not when you were here.


I don't recall, either, but it's not.


Is it possible to get replacement batteries for the 422, um, on _our_
kind of budget? Or should I pop an $18 7ah glass mat SLA in there,
for use off-grid? I need to get some contact cleaner for that
intensity switch, too. It drops out from about 0-80% brightness, then
blinks on a bit too bright, though the focus helps reduce the phosphor
bloom a bit.

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On Thu, 19 Feb 2015 07:06:12 -0800, Gunner Asch
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Or ask one of the electronics wonks here to take a look at it. They
arent complicated.

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!to...ng/L9EKhM3duT4

Hah! You tried before me?


Stroke remember? I dont remember posting that 6 yrs ago. When I found
it..I was amused. I got over any surprise years ago.


Btw...it was..was working according to this post. As I recall..and the
post confirms..the sawtooth waveform had a half round side..probably a
bad cap..


I think I did see that at one point, but it was a spurious spurt
against the norm of zero output.



I bought a lot of gear the 2 yrs before the stroke. Id done a project
where I made a fair amount of money and I stocked up on arms, ammo,
reloading equipment and electronic gear along with tools and work
related stuff.


Well, at least you didn't pay for it and forget to pick it up after
the stroke. That would have been excruciating if someone else
remembered it and you didn't.


I found a surplus shop down in LA area that was
selling test equipment for pennies on the dollar on Ebay. Wish I
could remember where they were though. Id go by and see if they are
still around. I bought a lot of gear in there for myself and friends.
Owned by ornimentals..Vietnamese IRRC..right next to a wholsale
butcher who gave me GREAT prices on hot sausages, in a little
industrial "strip mall". Cannot remember where it was though I have
bit and pieces of the trip(s) I made. Shrug


Ornimentals? chuckle


Fortunately I have a good sense of humor about myself..else Id have
been devistated about how much I lost (languages) and how much Ive
forgotten. **** happens and if one lets it eat at him...there wont be
much left after too long. Shrug

(Grin)


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On Thu, 19 Feb 2015 04:50:54 -0800, Larry Jaques
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On Thu, 19 Feb 2015 03:58:24 -0800, Gunner Asch
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On Wed, 18 Feb 2015 19:34:53 -0800, Larry Jaques
wrote:

My "good" meter is a Mastech MS8209. 'Taint a Fluke, but I don't need
one. I've happily used the sound meter, thermocouple, LUX meter
(recently on LEDs to test relative output/efficiency), and love the
beeping ohmeter. The clamp-on has a beeper, too.

Sigh..my hearing has so many holes in it..I generally cant hear
beeping anymore. I went for a hearing test some years ago..and the
tech stood there reading the printout..looked up, blinked..and asked
if Id had a serious head injury. My hearing results looked like it
had been shot with a shotgun.

That, and too many rifle and handgun rounds, eh? Or do you wear ear
protection on the range? Suckage about your hearing holes and not
being able to hear the beeps. I adore that function of the VOMs,
especially for repetitive testing in tight places.


I was the recipient of a H&I round of 155 mm arty which lodged a bit
of driving band in my skull and shredded both of my eardrums.


Friendly fire? Bummer!


Its never friendly. And it was fired by our Arvin brothers, or so they
told me. Probably under the orders of some half stoned American cannon
cocker...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TBl9cwanbI


Jayzuss! You can really hear the shrapnel whizzing on by, can't you?
Well, if you weren't hit by it and had your eardrums shredded. Crazy,
mon!


Oh hell yes you can hear it. I dont remember the round that hit me..I
have a half memory of a bright flash and then a day or so of being
jostled around a lot. My Chu Hoi got me to a firebase..they stuck me
on a slick and sent me to Saigon..then on to Honchu Japan where they
cracked open my skull and pulled the little ******* out of my skull. I
was blind and paralysed for over a week after coming out of the
surgery. Id planned on doing myself in first chance I could..then
things started working again. Got everything back within a month or
so. Learned what a rat**** Letterman Hospital was in 1973 the hard
way.

40 yrs of competitive shooting since then, plus advancing age have
taken its toll. Frankly..Im very..very lucky to be able to hear at
all. In fact...Im ginsalucky to be alive.


Damned straight. Goodonya, mate!


So far..so good.


Damn. Well...well..fix it!

Or ask one of the electronics wonks here to take a look at it. They
arent complicated.

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!to...ng/L9EKhM3duT4

Hah! You tried before me?


Stroke remember? I dont remember posting that 6 yrs ago. When I found
it..I was amused. I got over any surprise years ago.


That's proving to be darned unhandy at times, isn't it?


It has had its moments. Shrug. Ive got almost everything back..except
my languages..but there are still some moderate sized holes that are
gone forever.


Try here...

http://digilander.libero.it/chopin.i...eneratori.html

"Nessun risultato trovato per circuitmate"
You don't read French and I don't read Italian.


Actually the file is in english. I downloaded it for you but if you
found it...go ahead and save us both some effort. Circuit seems
pretty simple.


I haven't even opened it yet. A little RF dimmer switch with remote
came in the mail today and I soldered a jack to the LED string. It
works beautifully with the (low light) single 3528s. I'll be using it
on one of these strings: hi-dens 3528 (120/m) or single 5630s (60/m
or 300 per 5m string.) It cost $2.82 with free shipping from
Shenzen, China. New switching (vs xfrm) wall wart p/s are $2.60 with
free shipping. Get a couple of the dimmers and keep one in your
pocket, the other velcroed to the bulkhead of your fave boat and have
mood lighting. High for reading, low for lurking. Go 5050 or 5630
for the brightness, though a single string of 3528s would light up
that little cabin pretty nicely, I'll bet.


Doing just that is high on my list. Saturday Im fiberglassing the
rudder, which I turned into a "lifting rudder" last weekend. Just a
few more things to do..not much at all. This has been an easy
restoration. Now comes the gold plating and fun stuff to make it
"nice". Installing the marine radio, stereo system, carpeting the
walls..I think she is going to be my "regular" boat.

https://picasaweb.google.com/1040422...2/Windrose1802


I was getting "some" signal last time I used it..but its been a couple
years.
Ill see what else Ive got ratholed and when you come back to pick up
the rest of the stuff you left behind...and go shooting and
sailing..it will be here waiting for you.
G

I'm just hoping Lee does a drive-by soon... It's a long way to your
house. I'm still ****ed at not being able to get to the range with
you, but as you saw, I could barely stand up. Damn, I hate getting
sick. By the time I got home, the flu/cold had pretty much run its
course, but the double sinus infection had really blossomed. It took
2 courses of Z-pack to finally kill 'em.


Ayup..I felt rather sorry for you..you most definately were under the
weather..bout 60 fathoms under


It felt more like 20,000 leagues.

The bug hit me right as I was carting Mom around in the wheelchair,
then I had to help set up the reception (up and down ladders for 3
hours.) By the time the reception was on, I was completely out of it.
I drove to your house 2 days later, with the blinding headache from
the (first of two) sinus infection starting to flare up. Some
vacation. sigh After I loaded up at your house, I drove to my
sister's and died overnight. Her fresh chicken soup helped a lot. g
After making it home the next day, I spent the next two weeks in bed.
All of October was gone before I started to bring in any more wages.
Sucked, it did!


Ill bet you could probably talk Michael into fixing it for
you...maybe.

I haven't popped the top, though I did with the HP DVM. I saw nothing
inside which I could even attempt to work on. It was so securely
shielded from stray RF that it would take a day just to get its armor
off. g


The Aglient DVM was working last time I used it. It isnt now?
Dont remember if we tried it or not when you were here.


I don't recall, either, but it's not.


Whats it doing or not doing?


Is it possible to get replacement batteries for the 422, um, on _our_
kind of budget? Or should I pop an $18 7ah glass mat SLA in there,
for use off-grid? I need to get some contact cleaner for that
intensity switch, too. It drops out from about 0-80% brightness, then
blinks on a bit too bright, though the focus helps reduce the phosphor
bloom a bit.


You would have to build/rebuild the battery pack. IRRC they were
Nicads. There is a fair amount of info on the net, it being one of the
more popular older Tektronix scopes. Subscribe to the Tektronics
group(s) on Yahoo Groups and ask around as well.

This might help

http://elektrotanya.com/tektronix_42.../download.html

http://www.k7jrl.com/pub/manuals/tek...r%20Supply.pdf

Get some tuner cleaner and spritz the pot. Its just dirty.

Remember..I did offer you newer and much nicer scopes...shrug

Gunner

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miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied,
demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless.
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On Sat, 21 Feb 2015 03:56:14 -0800, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Thu, 19 Feb 2015 20:54:47 -0800, Larry Jaques
wrote:

On Thu, 19 Feb 2015 07:06:12 -0800, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Thu, 19 Feb 2015 04:50:54 -0800, Larry Jaques
wrote:

On Thu, 19 Feb 2015 03:58:24 -0800, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Wed, 18 Feb 2015 19:34:53 -0800, Larry Jaques
wrote:

My "good" meter is a Mastech MS8209. 'Taint a Fluke, but I don't need
one. I've happily used the sound meter, thermocouple, LUX meter
(recently on LEDs to test relative output/efficiency), and love the
beeping ohmeter. The clamp-on has a beeper, too.

Sigh..my hearing has so many holes in it..I generally cant hear
beeping anymore. I went for a hearing test some years ago..and the
tech stood there reading the printout..looked up, blinked..and asked
if Id had a serious head injury. My hearing results looked like it
had been shot with a shotgun.

That, and too many rifle and handgun rounds, eh? Or do you wear ear
protection on the range? Suckage about your hearing holes and not
being able to hear the beeps. I adore that function of the VOMs,
especially for repetitive testing in tight places.

I was the recipient of a H&I round of 155 mm arty which lodged a bit
of driving band in my skull and shredded both of my eardrums.


Friendly fire? Bummer!


Its never friendly. And it was fired by our Arvin brothers, or so they
told me. Probably under the orders of some half stoned American cannon
cocker...


sigh


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TBl9cwanbI


Jayzuss! You can really hear the shrapnel whizzing on by, can't you?
Well, if you weren't hit by it and had your eardrums shredded. Crazy,
mon!


Oh hell yes you can hear it. I dont remember the round that hit me..I
have a half memory of a bright flash and then a day or so of being
jostled around a lot. My Chu Hoi got me to a firebase..they stuck me
on a slick and sent me to Saigon..then on to Honchu Japan where they
cracked open my skull and pulled the little ******* out of my skull. I
was blind and paralysed for over a week after coming out of the
surgery. Id planned on doing myself in first chance I could..then
things started working again. Got everything back within a month or
so. Learned what a rat**** Letterman Hospital was in 1973 the hard
way.


Suckage.


I haven't even opened it yet. A little RF dimmer switch with remote
came in the mail today and I soldered a jack to the LED string. It
works beautifully with the (low light) single 3528s. I'll be using it
on one of these strings: hi-dens 3528 (120/m) or single 5630s (60/m
or 300 per 5m string.) It cost $2.82 with free shipping from
Shenzen, China. New switching (vs xfrm) wall wart p/s are $2.60 with
free shipping. Get a couple of the dimmers and keep one in your
pocket, the other velcroed to the bulkhead of your fave boat and have
mood lighting. High for reading, low for lurking. Go 5050 or 5630
for the brightness, though a single string of 3528s would light up
that little cabin pretty nicely, I'll bet.


Doing just that is high on my list. Saturday Im fiberglassing the
rudder, which I turned into a "lifting rudder" last weekend. Just a
few more things to do..not much at all. This has been an easy
restoration. Now comes the gold plating and fun stuff to make it
"nice". Installing the marine radio, stereo system, carpeting the
walls..I think she is going to be my "regular" boat.


Gold plating the terlit seat, no doubt?


https://picasaweb.google.com/1040422...2/Windrose1802


Where will you _ever_ find replacement carpet in that color?


The Aglient DVM was working last time I used it. It isnt now?
Dont remember if we tried it or not when you were here.


I don't recall, either, but it's not.


Whats it doing or not doing?


No pretty lights upon powerup.


Is it possible to get replacement batteries for the 422, um, on _our_
kind of budget? Or should I pop an $18 7ah glass mat SLA in there,
for use off-grid? I need to get some contact cleaner for that
intensity switch, too. It drops out from about 0-80% brightness, then
blinks on a bit too bright, though the focus helps reduce the phosphor
bloom a bit.


You would have to build/rebuild the battery pack. IRRC they were
Nicads. There is a fair amount of info on the net, it being one of the
more popular older Tektronix scopes. Subscribe to the Tektronics
group(s) on Yahoo Groups and ask around as well.

This might help

http://elektrotanya.com/tektronix_42.../download.html

http://www.k7jrl.com/pub/manuals/tek...r%20Supply.pdf


BTDT, haven't yet read them front to back.


Get some tuner cleaner and spritz the pot. Its just dirty.


That was my first thought.


Remember..I did offer you newer and much nicer scopes...shrug


Yabbut, they were larger and AC only.

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On Sat, 21 Feb 2015 06:03:18 -0800, Larry Jaques
wrote:

On Sat, 21 Feb 2015 03:56:14 -0800, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Thu, 19 Feb 2015 20:54:47 -0800, Larry Jaques
wrote:

On Thu, 19 Feb 2015 07:06:12 -0800, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Thu, 19 Feb 2015 04:50:54 -0800, Larry Jaques
wrote:

On Thu, 19 Feb 2015 03:58:24 -0800, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Wed, 18 Feb 2015 19:34:53 -0800, Larry Jaques
wrote:

My "good" meter is a Mastech MS8209. 'Taint a Fluke, but I don't need
one. I've happily used the sound meter, thermocouple, LUX meter
(recently on LEDs to test relative output/efficiency), and love the
beeping ohmeter. The clamp-on has a beeper, too.

Sigh..my hearing has so many holes in it..I generally cant hear
beeping anymore. I went for a hearing test some years ago..and the
tech stood there reading the printout..looked up, blinked..and asked
if Id had a serious head injury. My hearing results looked like it
had been shot with a shotgun.

That, and too many rifle and handgun rounds, eh? Or do you wear ear
protection on the range? Suckage about your hearing holes and not
being able to hear the beeps. I adore that function of the VOMs,
especially for repetitive testing in tight places.

I was the recipient of a H&I round of 155 mm arty which lodged a bit
of driving band in my skull and shredded both of my eardrums.

Friendly fire? Bummer!


Its never friendly. And it was fired by our Arvin brothers, or so they
told me. Probably under the orders of some half stoned American cannon
cocker...


sigh


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TBl9cwanbI

Jayzuss! You can really hear the shrapnel whizzing on by, can't you?
Well, if you weren't hit by it and had your eardrums shredded. Crazy,
mon!


Oh hell yes you can hear it. I dont remember the round that hit me..I
have a half memory of a bright flash and then a day or so of being
jostled around a lot. My Chu Hoi got me to a firebase..they stuck me
on a slick and sent me to Saigon..then on to Honchu Japan where they
cracked open my skull and pulled the little ******* out of my skull. I
was blind and paralysed for over a week after coming out of the
surgery. Id planned on doing myself in first chance I could..then
things started working again. Got everything back within a month or
so. Learned what a rat**** Letterman Hospital was in 1973 the hard
way.


Suckage.


I haven't even opened it yet. A little RF dimmer switch with remote
came in the mail today and I soldered a jack to the LED string. It
works beautifully with the (low light) single 3528s. I'll be using it
on one of these strings: hi-dens 3528 (120/m) or single 5630s (60/m
or 300 per 5m string.) It cost $2.82 with free shipping from
Shenzen, China. New switching (vs xfrm) wall wart p/s are $2.60 with
free shipping. Get a couple of the dimmers and keep one in your
pocket, the other velcroed to the bulkhead of your fave boat and have
mood lighting. High for reading, low for lurking. Go 5050 or 5630
for the brightness, though a single string of 3528s would light up
that little cabin pretty nicely, I'll bet.


Doing just that is high on my list. Saturday Im fiberglassing the
rudder, which I turned into a "lifting rudder" last weekend. Just a
few more things to do..not much at all. This has been an easy
restoration. Now comes the gold plating and fun stuff to make it
"nice". Installing the marine radio, stereo system, carpeting the
walls..I think she is going to be my "regular" boat.


Gold plating the terlit seat, no doubt?


https://picasaweb.google.com/1040422...2/Windrose1802


Where will you _ever_ find replacement carpet in that color?


No where. That was the original carpet under there in 1976, Thats
where the porta ****ter goes and is generally hidden. Ill find some
thin gray indoor/outdoor and rubber cement it to the sides of the
hull. Just to make it softer and more comfy when spending a weekend
out on her. Soon as I get the rudder finished, while waiting for the
glass to cure, Ill start on the racks/shelves at the rear of the cabin
behind the cockpit. I brought home some marine plywood last night,
just some bits and pieces big enough to make Stuff out of. About a
half sheet. Ill go out in the morning take measurements, figure out
what Im trying to accomplish then lay it out and start up the table
saw. Fortunately this boat is a trailer sailer..so will be spending
most of her time on dry land where its dry...so I dont have to get as
fancy fiberglassing and sealing the woodwork (plywood..not teak). If
it lasts for 10 yrs, Ill be happy. That Venture 24 is going to be
something of a palace when its done, else Ill have found a different
bigger boat (inside) Im just teaching myself to do restorations and
have fun and spend little money while doing it. Just a hobby..nothing
more.


The Aglient DVM was working last time I used it. It isnt now?
Dont remember if we tried it or not when you were here.

I don't recall, either, but it's not.


Whats it doing or not doing?


No pretty lights upon powerup.


Hummm,..,try a different power cord.


Is it possible to get replacement batteries for the 422, um, on _our_
kind of budget? Or should I pop an $18 7ah glass mat SLA in there,
for use off-grid? I need to get some contact cleaner for that
intensity switch, too. It drops out from about 0-80% brightness, then
blinks on a bit too bright, though the focus helps reduce the phosphor
bloom a bit.


You would have to build/rebuild the battery pack. IRRC they were
Nicads. There is a fair amount of info on the net, it being one of the
more popular older Tektronix scopes. Subscribe to the Tektronics
group(s) on Yahoo Groups and ask around as well.

This might help

http://elektrotanya.com/tektronix_42.../download.html

http://www.k7jrl.com/pub/manuals/tek...r%20Supply.pdf


BTDT, haven't yet read them front to back.


Get some tuner cleaner and spritz the pot. Its just dirty.


That was my first thought.


Remember..I did offer you newer and much nicer scopes...shrug


Yabbut, they were larger and AC only.


True indeed. I did have a smaller one that runs on batts..but it is
only a 2mhz scope

Gunner

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miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied,
demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless.
Liberalism is a philosophy of sniveling brats."
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On 2/18/2015 12:55 AM, amdx wrote:
I keep looking at that compound sliding miter saw that goes on sale
for $89.
...


I have that one & it is handy. Mine needed quite a bit of fiddling to
get it right. The biggest issue was that the detents on the horizontal
angle settings were too sloppy. I rebuilt the bolt that sits in the
detents and it's fine now. There were 1 or 2 other fixed that I've
forgotten ... the bottom line is be prepared to fix it if you care about
how it works.

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Welp! Today I had a bunch of 20% off coupons ready to expired, so I put on my plaid long sleeve shirt, dark glasses and camouflaged cap, went in and bought a nice drill. Then went back to the car, changed shirts, took off the cap and sunglasses, went back in and bought a nice saw. Then went back out, took off the shirt and went back in my tee shirt and a floppy hat and bought a tarp. I still had coupons but ran out of clothes.

$5 says that both tools break within a year.

Tomorrow is the expiration date. I plan to wear bicycle shorts underneath some overalls, a raincoat and a poncho.

Anybody know if thrift stores still carry wigs?



I keep looking at that compound sliding miter saw that goes on sale
for $89.
I have a miter saw and a radial arm, but that compound sliding miter saw
would be handy on occasion.
I just now note they have 3 versions.
With some differences in miter capacity and bevel cut capacity and RPM.
It seems the laser guide has the least capacity.
I'm glad I noticed this, I don't want to see the low capacity unit go on
sale and me jump on it then find out the limited capacity.

http://www.harborfreight.com/10-in-c...tem-61973.html


http://www.harborfreight.com/10-in-s...saw-61307.html


http://www.harborfreight.com/10-inch...saw-98199.html


We just recently got a store opened in our city. My wife went shopping
there and bought some wheels for a cart, she even got the free
multimeter as a gift for me!
Mikek


Being a wize investor, extry thrifty, etc., I keep an envelope in the Studebaker with a handful of 20% off and free gift coupons. Last count I had 3 tape measures, 3 multimeters, 4 screwdriver sets couple of tarps and a 24-pack of AA batteries. Only thing bad free thing I have gotten there so far has been the batteries - I went thru the whole pack and found 2 good ones.

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