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On Friday, September 6, 2013 10:31:51 PM UTC-4, jim wrote:




Statistical sampling showed about 11% of the voters

nationwide did not have proper ID. That is 21 million

voters getting ****ed off because they are made to

jump through hoops to recover their voting rights.



No Cite no credibility. You are saying that 11 % of the voters nationwide do not have a drivers license or other form of ID. Not very believable without some source for that.

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Statistical sampling showed about 11% of the voters

nationwide did not have proper ID. That is 21 million

voters getting ****ed off because they are made to

jump through hoops to recover their voting rights.


No Cite no credibility. You are saying that 11 % of the voters nationwide do not have a drivers license or other form of ID. Not very believable without some source for that.

Dan


here is your cite:

http://geoff82.wordpress.com/2012/01...ave-photo-ids/

"As many as 11 percent of United States citizens – more than
21 million individuals – do not have government-issued photo
identification. Eleven percent of the American citizens surveyed
responded that they do not have current, unexpired government-issued
identification with a photograph, such as a driver’s license or
military ID. Using 2000 census calculations of the citizen voting-age
population, this translates to more than 21 million American adult
citizens nationwide who do not possess valid government photo ID."
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On Friday, September 6, 2013 10:31:51 PM UTC-4, jim wrote:






Statistical sampling showed about 11% of the voters




nationwide did not have proper ID. That is 21 million




voters getting ****ed off because they are made to




jump through hoops to recover their voting rights.






here is your cite:



http://geoff82.wordpress.com/2012/01...ave-photo-ids/



You did note that that was based on a survey in 2006 and unless I read it wrong, they did not accept as valid any id that did not have the current name and address.

But thanks for the cite.

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On Friday, September 6, 2013 10:31:51 PM UTC-4, jim wrote:






Statistical sampling showed about 11% of the voters




nationwide did not have proper ID. That is 21 million




voters getting ****ed off because they are made to




jump through hoops to recover their voting rights.






here is your cite:



http://geoff82.wordpress.com/2012/01...ave-photo-ids/



You did note that that was based on a survey in 2006 and unless I read
it wrong, they did not accept as valid any id that did not have the
current name and address.


What good would voter ID be in preventing fraud if they accepted
ID that didn't contain the correct name and address?

The point is the foolish and stupid like Gunner and Plimpton
thought voter ID would favor Republican candidates . It turns
out it is having the opposite effect, mostly because it is ****ing
off millions of voters who are inconvenienced by having to get
new ID to regain their eligibility to vote.
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What good would voter ID be in preventing fraud if they accepted

ID that didn't contain the correct name and address?

If it is picture Id, it would prevent claiming to be a person who is dead or not likely to vote. If the name is not current as in women who have recently married, it would let them vote as who they were before getting married. If the address was wrong, they could vote in the precinct for the address on the ID.

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The point is the foolish and stupid like Gunner and Plimpton

thought voter ID would favor Republican candidates . It turns

out it is having the opposite effect, mostly because it is ****ing

off millions of voters who are inconvenienced by having to get

new ID to regain their eligibility to vote.


The idea is to ensure that everyone gets to vote once per election. Most laws requiring voter ID , allow a person to vote a provisional ballot. A ballot that is only counted if the race is close enough that the provisional ballots could change the outcome. In that case they have to verify that the person is a registered voter before counting the ballot.

As far as ****ing people off, are you ****ed off that a bank will not cash a check without proof that you are the person to whom the check is written? if so, then why are you ****ed off. If you are not ****ed off , why do you think voters are going to be ****ed off because they have to show they are really who they say they are?

I think voter ID laws may increase the number of people that vote. It shows that being able to vote is important.

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I forgot to put in the metalworking part of the post. Today I got the base for the drill/mill into the basement and got a lot of the parts mounted on the base. Working by myself it took a while to get the column attached to the base of the Drill/mill. Would have gone a lot quicker with two people.. Still have to get the X/Y table mounted and the electric motor, but they should be a lot easier than dealing with the column. Anyway no injuries.

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And I forgot to mention my purchase of a Milwaukee portable band saw at the scrap yard. Nineteen lbs so $9.50 was the price. Would have been a real bargain if it actually worked. I will have to open it up and see why the motor runs but the blade does not move. And then see if I can pick out another one from the triwall with about twenty portable bandsaws that has a good drive and a different failure.

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As far as ****ing people off, are you ****ed off that a bank will
not cash a check without proof that you are the person to
whom the check is written?


My bank doesn't ask me to prove who I am.
If they suddenly told me they no longer
will do that and that I had to go away until I had
some new ID, then yes that would be extremely annoying.


why do you think voters are going to be ****ed off


Ask them yourself why they are ****ed off.

You first didn't believe they exist. Now you don't
believe this inconvenience ****es them off.

All this extra fal-da-rah also ****es off the
poll workers who don't particularly care for the insinuation
that they have been running crooked elections all these years.

Your assumptions makes you look like one of the
foolish stupid people.


I think voter ID laws may increase the number of people that vote.


It appears to have increased Democrat voters.
Does that mean all the fraud that is being prevented
was by Republicans?
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As far as ****ing people off, are you ****ed off that a bank will
not cash a check without proof that you are the person to
whom the check is written?


My bank doesn't ask me to prove who I am.


Yes, they do.



why do you think voters are going to be ****ed off


Ask them yourself why they are ****ed off.


They aren't.


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On Saturday, September 7, 2013 7:57:02 PM UTC-4, jim wrote:

The point is the foolish and stupid like Gunner and Plimpton

thought voter ID would favor Republican candidates . It turns

out it is having the opposite effect, mostly because it is ****ing

off millions of voters who are inconvenienced by having to get

new ID to regain their eligibility to vote.


The idea is to ensure that everyone gets to vote once per election. Most laws requiring voter ID , allow a person to vote a provisional ballot. A ballot that is only counted if the race is close enough that the provisional ballots could change the outcome. In that case they have to verify that the person is a registered voter before counting the ballot.

As far as ****ing people off, are you ****ed off that a bank will not cash a check without proof that you are the person to whom the check is written? if so, then why are you ****ed off. If you are not ****ed off , why do you think voters are going to be ****ed off because they have to show they are really who they say they are?

I think voter ID laws may increase the number of people that vote. It shows that being able to vote is important.

Dan


He is ****ed off because it will end or sharply limit Democrats
ability to commit widespread voter fraud. Which means....that any
elections afterwards...will have to be won fairly...and again..that
means that Democrats will no longer be winning as many elections.

Voter fraud is an old and reliable custom in many Democrat
areas...Chicago, Detroit etc etc...its "normal"

And its on its way out. Tsk tsk tsk. Might be some very..very
surprised Demonrat candidates in the elections from now on.

Or they will retire gracefully before the next election cycle.

Gunner

"The socialist movement takes great pains to circulate frequently new labels for its ideally constructed state.
Each worn-out label is replaced by another which raises hopes of an ultimate solution of the insoluble basic
problem of Socialism, until it becomes obvious that nothing has been changed but the name.
The most recent slogan is "State Capitalism."[Fascism] It is not commonly realized that this covers nothing more
than what used to be called Planned Economy and State Socialism, and that State Capitalism, Planned Economy,
and State Socialism diverge only in non-essentials from the "classic" ideal of egalitarian Socialism. - Ludwig von Mises (1922)
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My bank doesn't ask me to prove who I am.

It sounds as if your bank has no branch offices and has a very stable work force. So the tellers know you and do not ask for identification. I used to bank with such a bank. They knew all their customers by name and were very apologetic when they had to add account numbers on the checks.








All this extra fal-da-rah also ****es off the

poll workers who don't particularly care for the insinuation

that they have been running crooked elections all these years.



Your assumptions makes you look like one of the

foolish stupid people.


You assumptions show that you are not very bright. Especially the assumption about poll workers. I know as I have been a poll worker.




It appears to have increased Democrat voters.

Does that mean all the fraud that is being prevented

was by Republicans?


The system should prevent fraud regardless of the political party. You seem to want a system where it is easy to have voter fraud.

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You assumptions show that you are not very bright.
Especially the assumption about poll workers. I know as
I have been a poll worker.


The people that I have heard complain the most about voter ID
and the other new restrictions on voting are poll workers.



It appears to have increased Democrat voters.

Does that mean all the fraud that is being prevented

was by Republicans?


The system should prevent fraud regardless of the political party.
You seem to want a system where it is easy to have voter fraud.


No I'm laughing at a system engineered by the stupid and
foolish that fails utterly to do what it claims to do.

Voter ID laws do practically nothing to prevent the actual types
of voting fraud that occur in real life. If you don't believe, look
at the cases where these laws have been reviewed by the courts.


In this study of 2068 cases of alledged voting fraud there
were only 10 that voter ID might have prevented. The other
99.5% of voter fraud can continue unimpeded by voter ID laws.

http://votingrights.news21.com/article/election-fraud/
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As far as ****ing people off, are you ****ed off that a bank will
not cash a check without proof that you are the person to
whom the check is written?


My bank doesn't ask me to prove who I am.


Yes, they do.


Well they don't. But as usual you missed the point.
If I go to the bank to cash a check written to
me I already have my wallet in hand for the cash.
It would be trivial to show ID.

But if I was told I had to go get new ID before
I was allowed to cash a check or board an airplane or buy
a beer, I'd be ****ed.
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Does that mean all the fraud that is being prevented was by Republicans?


How else could Bush have been elected?




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that
means that Democrats will no longer be winning as many elections.


That is what the foolish and stupid hope for,
but all the swing states like Florida, Ohio and
Pennsylvania that created laws to stop voter fraud
saw an increase in Democrat votes and a decrease in
Republican votes in the last election.


Classic /post hoc/ fallacy. Turnout changes were not "caused" by the
voter ID laws.

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" wrote:


As far as ****ing people off, are you ****ed off that a bank will
not cash a check without proof that you are the person to
whom the check is written?

My bank doesn't ask me to prove who I am.


Yes, they do.


Well they don't.


They do. I work for a bank, and not in a customer-facing position. I
nonetheless have to take an annual anti-money-laundering training class.
I know what banks have to do. You have to identify yourself. It may
be by swiping an ATM card and entering a PIN, but that absolutely
identifies you. Otherwise, you have to show ID.

Stop lying.

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George Plimpton wrote:

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" wrote:


As far as ****ing people off, are you ****ed off that a bank will
not cash a check without proof that you are the person to
whom the check is written?

My bank doesn't ask me to prove who I am.

Yes, they do.


Well they don't.


They do. I work for a bank, and not in a customer-facing position. I
nonetheless have to take an annual anti-money-laundering training class.
I know what banks have to do. You have to identify yourself.


Of course I have to identify myself.

My name is on the check. I tell them my account number.
That is it.

Once again you duck behind your silliness and
snip what you can't refute. You're a laughingstock.

If I had to go get new ID to to restore my
right to cash a check or fly on an airplane or
buy beer or vote, I would be ****ed.
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George Plimpton wrote:

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Gunner Asch wrote:
that
means that Democrats will no longer be winning as many elections.


That is what the foolish and stupid hope for,
but all the swing states like Florida, Ohio and
Pennsylvania that created laws to stop voter fraud
saw an increase in Democrat votes and a decrease in
Republican votes in the last election.


Classic /post hoc/ fallacy.


Its called evidence. A concept beyond your
level of stupidity and foolishness.
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George Plimpton wrote:

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George Plimpton wrote:

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" wrote:


As far as ****ing people off, are you ****ed off that a bank will
not cash a check without proof that you are the person to
whom the check is written?

My bank doesn't ask me to prove who I am.

Yes, they do.


Well they don't.


They do. I work for a bank,


The only thing you do with your life is post
day and night on the internet using multiple names
and personalities.

That my friend is "not in rational dispute"


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George Plimpton wrote:

On 9/8/2013 6:59 AM, jim lied:


George Plimpton wrote:

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" wrote:


As far as ****ing people off, are you ****ed off that a bank will
not cash a check without proof that you are the person to
whom the check is written?

My bank doesn't ask me to prove who I am.

Yes, they do.

Well they don't.


They do. I work for a bank, and not in a customer-facing position. I
nonetheless have to take an annual anti-money-laundering training class.
I know what banks have to do. You have to identify yourself.


Of course I have to identify myself.

My name is on the check. I tell them my account number.
That is it.


No. You have to do more than that.

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George Plimpton wrote:

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Gunner Asch wrote:
that
means that Democrats will no longer be winning as many elections.

That is what the foolish and stupid hope for,
but all the swing states like Florida, Ohio and
Pennsylvania that created laws to stop voter fraud
saw an increase in Democrat votes and a decrease in
Republican votes in the last election.


Classic /post hoc/ fallacy.


Its called evidence.


It's called a /post hoc/ fallacy. You can't show causation.

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On 9/8/2013 8:19 AM, jim lied:


George Plimpton wrote:

On 9/8/2013 6:59 AM, jim lied:


George Plimpton wrote:

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" wrote:


As far as ****ing people off, are you ****ed off that a bank will
not cash a check without proof that you are the person to
whom the check is written?

My bank doesn't ask me to prove who I am.

Yes, they do.

Well they don't.


They do. I work for a bank,


The only thing you do with your life is


I work for a bank, and I know what account holder identification laws are.

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George Plimpton wrote:

On 9/8/2013 8:19 AM, jim lied:


George Plimpton wrote:

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George Plimpton wrote:

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" wrote:


As far as ****ing people off, are you ****ed off that a bank will
not cash a check without proof that you are the person to
whom the check is written?

My bank doesn't ask me to prove who I am.

Yes, they do.

Well they don't.

They do. I work for a bank,


The only thing you do with your life is


I work for a bank,


You don't work at all. Anybody can see what you
do all day and every day.
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George Plimpton wrote:

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George Plimpton wrote:

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Gunner Asch wrote:
that
means that Democrats will no longer be winning as many elections.

That is what the foolish and stupid hope for,
but all the swing states like Florida, Ohio and
Pennsylvania that created laws to stop voter fraud
saw an increase in Democrat votes and a decrease in
Republican votes in the last election.

Classic /post hoc/ fallacy.


Its called evidence.


It's called a /post hoc/ fallacy. You can't show causation.


That means Republican's will just keep
losing elections and never figure out why


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George Plimpton wrote:

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George Plimpton wrote:

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George Plimpton wrote:

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" wrote:


As far as ****ing people off, are you ****ed off that a bank will
not cash a check without proof that you are the person to
whom the check is written?

My bank doesn't ask me to prove who I am.

Yes, they do.

Well they don't.

They do. I work for a bank,

The only thing you do with your life is


I work for a bank,


You don't work at all. Anybody can see what you
do all day and every day.


The population in the town where I live was 2,344 at the 2010 census, I've
been here for nearly 20 years....

There is only one bank in town, and they stopped asking to see my ID about
19-1/2 years ago.


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On 9/8/2013 5:20 PM, jim lied:


George Plimpton wrote:

On 9/8/2013 8:19 AM, jim lied:


George Plimpton wrote:

On 9/8/2013 6:59 AM, jim lied:


George Plimpton wrote:

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" wrote:


As far as ****ing people off, are you ****ed off that a bank will
not cash a check without proof that you are the person to
whom the check is written?

My bank doesn't ask me to prove who I am.

Yes, they do.

Well they don't.

They do. I work for a bank,

The only thing you do with your life is


I work for a bank, and I know what account holder identification laws are.


You don't work at all.


I work for a large bank, and I know what the ID requirements are. You
have to provide ID.

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On 9/8/2013 5:21 PM, jim lied:


George Plimpton wrote:

On 9/8/2013 8:15 AM, jim lied:


George Plimpton wrote:

On 9/8/2013 5:40 AM, jim lied:


Gunner Asch wrote:
that
means that Democrats will no longer be winning as many elections.

That is what the foolish and stupid hope for,
but all the swing states like Florida, Ohio and
Pennsylvania that created laws to stop voter fraud
saw an increase in Democrat votes and a decrease in
Republican votes in the last election.

Classic /post hoc/ fallacy.

Its called evidence.


It's called a /post hoc/ fallacy. You can't show causation.


That means


It means you wrote nonsense and don't understand logic.

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On 9/8/2013 5:20 PM, jim lied:





George Plimpton wrote:




On 9/8/2013 8:19 AM, jim lied:






George Plimpton wrote:




On 9/8/2013 6:59 AM, jim lied:






George Plimpton wrote:




On 9/7/2013 7:52 PM, jim lied:






" wrote:






As far as ****ing people off, are you ****ed off that a bank will


not cash a check without proof that you are the person to


whom the check is written?




My bank doesn't ask me to prove who I am.




Yes, they do.




Well they don't.




They do. I work for a bank,




The only thing you do with your life is




I work for a bank, and I know what account holder identification laws are.




You don't work at all.




I work for a large bank, and I know what the ID requirements are. You

have to provide ID.



How long have you been a part time janitor for this large bank?
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Correct. I prefer tight elections to
loose ones.

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On 9/9/2013 2:52 PM, jim wrote:

"I spent the weekend before the election in black churches in
Cleveland, and there’s no doubt in my mind that the GOP’s push
to curtail the rights of black voters made them even more motivated
to cast a ballot. “When they went after big mama’s voting rights,
they made all of us mad,” said Reverend Tony Minor, Ohio coordinator
of the African American Ministers Leadership Council. According to
CBS News: "More African-Americans voted in Ohio, Virginia, North
Carolina and Florida than in 2008."

http://www.thenation.com/blog/171146...#axzz2eIjUn74Y

You must like to loose elections.



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If we have elections with voter ID, that'll sort itself out. More people
voting, fewer fraudulent ballots, works for me.


How come the Iowa Republican caucuses don't
require photo ID?
The answer is they don't want the hassle.


Yawn...


Although I tend to be inclusive when considering who is eligible to
vote, I also wonder whether someone who is incapable of surmounting the
negligible hurdles in obtaining an appropriate ID would be competent to
understand the issues they are asked to vote upon.

The people who are capable are indeed voting and
at higher participation rates than before mostly because
they don't like the idea of hurdles put in their path to
the voting booth. There is nothing like putting hurdles
in front of voters to get them to believe their vote is
important.


Considering the tiny number of otherwise eligible voters with no valid
ID, I doubt there would be much difference.


There are estimated to be 21 million otherwise qualified voters
in the US who would have to upgrade their ID. That is alot of
voters your putting hurdles in front of and expecting they won't
be ****ed and won't act on their displeasure inside the voting booth.


21 million of voting age unable to buy alcohol or cigarettes? Unable to
use an airline or drive a car or receive govt assistance or enter a bar?

Yeah, right.

David

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There are estimated to be 21 million otherwise qualified voters
in the US who would have to upgrade their ID. That is alot of
voters your putting hurdles in front of and expecting they won't
be ****ed and won't act on their displeasure inside the voting booth.


21 million of voting age unable to buy alcohol or cigarettes? Unable to
use an airline or drive a car or receive govt assistance or enter a bar?

Yeah, right.


Go ahead pretend voters without the proper ID don't exist.
i'm sure that will make them no longer ****ed off.
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"David R. Birch" wrote:


There are estimated to be 21 million otherwise qualified voters
in the US who would have to upgrade their ID. That is alot of
voters your putting hurdles in front of and expecting they won't
be ****ed and won't act on their displeasure inside the voting booth.


21 million of voting age unable to buy alcohol or cigarettes? Unable to
use an airline or drive a car or receive govt assistance or enter a bar?

Yeah, right.


Go ahead pretend voters without the proper ID don't exist.


It's a negligible number. Requiring ID is not going to motivate people
who would not otherwise have voted to register and vote against the
implementers of voter ID laws. All people without ID who would obtain
the ID and vote were already voting Democrat.

You don't know what you're talking about, as usual.

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George Plimpton wrote:

On 9/11/2013 6:20 AM, jim lied:


"David R. Birch" wrote:


There are estimated to be 21 million otherwise qualified voters
in the US who would have to upgrade their ID. That is alot of
voters your putting hurdles in front of and expecting they won't
be ****ed and won't act on their displeasure inside the voting booth.

21 million of voting age unable to buy alcohol or cigarettes? Unable to
use an airline or drive a car or receive govt assistance or enter a bar?

Yeah, right.


Go ahead pretend voters without the proper ID don't exist.


It's a negligible number.


There are nearly 30 million of voting age that don't have
drivers license.


Requiring ID is not going to motivate people
who would not otherwise have voted to register and vote against the
implementers of voter ID laws.


Keep repeating that over and over and
maybe someday even you will believe it.


All people without ID who would obtain
the ID and vote were already voting Democrat.


Actually most of those who are suddenly made ineligible to
vote weren't voting at all.


You don't know what you're talking about, as usual.


Talking to yourself again?
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On 9/11/2013 8:20 AM, jim wrote:


"David R. Birch" wrote:


There are estimated to be 21 million otherwise qualified voters
in the US who would have to upgrade their ID. That is alot of
voters your putting hurdles in front of and expecting they won't
be ****ed and won't act on their displeasure inside the voting booth.


21 million of voting age unable to buy alcohol or cigarettes? Unable to
use an airline or drive a car or receive govt assistance or enter a bar?

Yeah, right.


Go ahead pretend voters without the proper ID don't exist.
i'm sure that will make them no longer ****ed off.


I'm sure there are eligible voters without ID. OTOH, since getting an ID
is nothing particularly complicated or expensive, if they want one
they'll get it. If they can't do that, I doubt they would be able to
remember who they were told to vote for anyway.

On the third hand, since all we get to vote for are the clowns offered
as Dems or Reps by the oligarchy, it won't make that much difference.

David



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On 9/11/2013 8:37 AM, jim wrote:

There are nearly 30 million of voting age that don't have
drivers license.


And most of those have some other valid ID. I don't think there are 30
million who don't buy alcohol, cigarettes, airline tickets or any of the
many other things requiring ID.


Requiring ID is not going to motivate people
who would not otherwise have voted to register and vote against the
implementers of voter ID laws.


Keep repeating that over and over and
maybe someday even you will believe it.


Meanwhile, reality raises its ugly head and shows you to be wrong.


All people without ID who would obtain
the ID and vote were already voting Democrat.


Actually most of those who are suddenly made ineligible to
vote weren't voting at all.


And probably didn't vote before ID, either.

David

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On 9/11/2013 6:37 AM, jim lied:


George Plimpton wrote:

On 9/11/2013 6:20 AM, jim lied:


"David R. Birch" wrote:


There are estimated to be 21 million otherwise qualified voters
in the US who would have to upgrade their ID. That is alot of
voters your putting hurdles in front of and expecting they won't
be ****ed and won't act on their displeasure inside the voting booth.

21 million of voting age unable to buy alcohol or cigarettes? Unable to
use an airline or drive a car or receive govt assistance or enter a bar?

Yeah, right.

Go ahead pretend voters without the proper ID don't exist.


It's a negligible number.


There are nearly 30 million of voting age that don't have
drivers license.


Bull****. That would be close to 15 percent of all voters, even
assuming all of those "30 million" [sic] are otherwise eligible.

Being of voting age doesn't imply eligibility to vote.

The vast majority of otherwise eligible voters who lack ID can obtain it
easily.


Requiring ID is not going to motivate people
who would not otherwise have voted to register and vote against the
implementers of voter ID laws.


Keep repeating that over and over and


You keep repeating your fairy tale to yourself, as I know you find it
comforting. It is, however, only a fairy tale.


All people without ID who would obtain
the ID and vote were already voting Democrat.


Actually most of those who are suddenly made ineligible to
vote weren't voting at all.


Your fairy tale is that some significant number of people who weren't
voting when it was relatively easy are now going to register and vote
when it's harder, and vote against the creep-ass crackers.

Sorry, that's just a fairy tale, and you are irrational for believing it.
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"David R. Birch" wrote:



All people without ID who would obtain
the ID and vote were already voting Democrat.


Actually most of those who are suddenly made ineligible to
vote weren't voting at all.


And probably didn't vote before ID, either.


That's correct. What voter ID has consistently done
is take what are mostly apathetic voters and turned
them into not apathetic ****ed off voters. They're ****ed
off because they perceive that they have been targeted
by those who are trying to take away their right to vote.
Whether that is true or not is irrelevant to them.
The fact that they are also being told that they don't
exist makes them even more ****ed.
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George Plimpton wrote:

On 9/11/2013 6:37 AM, jim lied:


George Plimpton wrote:

On 9/11/2013 6:20 AM, jim lied:


"David R. Birch" wrote:


There are estimated to be 21 million otherwise qualified voters
in the US who would have to upgrade their ID. That is alot of
voters your putting hurdles in front of and expecting they won't
be ****ed and won't act on their displeasure inside the voting booth.

21 million of voting age unable to buy alcohol or cigarettes? Unable to
use an airline or drive a car or receive govt assistance or enter a bar?

Yeah, right.

Go ahead pretend voters without the proper ID don't exist.

It's a negligible number.


There are nearly 30 million of voting age that don't have
drivers license.


Bull****. That would be close to 15 percent of all voters, even
assuming all of those "30 million" [sic] are otherwise eligible.


It's 14%. Look it up.
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On 9/11/2013 9:33 AM, jim lied:


George Plimpton wrote:

On 9/11/2013 6:37 AM, jim lied:


George Plimpton wrote:

On 9/11/2013 6:20 AM, jim lied:


"David R. Birch" wrote:


There are estimated to be 21 million otherwise qualified voters
in the US who would have to upgrade their ID. That is alot of
voters your putting hurdles in front of and expecting they won't
be ****ed and won't act on their displeasure inside the voting booth.

21 million of voting age unable to buy alcohol or cigarettes? Unable to
use an airline or drive a car or receive govt assistance or enter a bar?

Yeah, right.

Go ahead pretend voters without the proper ID don't exist.

It's a negligible number.

There are nearly 30 million of voting age that don't have
drivers license.


Bull****. That would be close to 15 percent of all voters, even
assuming all of those "30 million" [sic] are otherwise eligible.

Being of voting age doesn't imply eligibility to vote.

The vast majority of otherwise eligible voters who lack ID can obtain it
easily.


It's 14%. Look it up.


There are not 30 million otherwise eligible voters who lack proper ID.
Brennan Center for Illusory Left-wing Notions of Justice estimates that
11% of otherwise eligible voters lack ID, and of course that's an
extravagant exaggeration. Extravagant as it is, their number is one
third lower than yours.

Yours is make-believe.

Requiring ID is not going to motivate people
who would not otherwise have voted to register and vote against the
implementers of voter ID laws.

Keep repeating that over and over and


You keep repeating your fairy tale to yourself, as I know you find it
comforting. It is, however, only a fairy tale.


All people without ID who would obtain
the ID and vote were already voting Democrat.

Actually most of those who are suddenly made ineligible to
vote weren't voting at all.


Your fairy tale is that some significant number of people who weren't
voting when it was relatively easy are now going to register and vote
when it's harder, and vote against the creep-ass crackers.

Sorry, that's just a fairy tale, and you are irrational for believing it.




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