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On 9/11/2013 9:32 AM, jim lied:


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All people without ID who would obtain
the ID and vote were already voting Democrat.

Actually most of those who are suddenly made ineligible to
vote weren't voting at all.


And probably didn't vote before ID, either.


That's correct. What voter ID has consistently done
is take what are mostly apathetic voters and turned
them into not apathetic ****ed off voters.


That's your fairy tale. It's false.

There is no evidence that voter ID laws motivated anyone who didn't
previously vote to register and vote. No evidence for that at all.

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On 9/11/2013 11:32 AM, jim wrote:


"David R. Birch" wrote:



All people without ID who would obtain
the ID and vote were already voting Democrat.

Actually most of those who are suddenly made ineligible to
vote weren't voting at all.


And probably didn't vote before ID, either.


That's correct. What voter ID has consistently done
is take what are mostly apathetic voters and turned
them into not apathetic ****ed off voters. They're ****ed
off because they perceive that they have been targeted
by those who are trying to take away their right to vote.
Whether that is true or not is irrelevant to them.
The fact that they are also being told that they don't
exist makes them even more ****ed.


Yeah, right, too apathetic when it was easy and suddenly they rise in
righteous indignation when they have to prove who they are.

Uhhuh.

Between your knee jerking and foaming at the mouth, I'm surprised you
can still type.

David

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On 9/11/2013 10:19 AM, David R. Birch wrote:
On 9/11/2013 11:32 AM, jim lied:


"David R. Birch" wrote:



All people without ID who would obtain
the ID and vote were already voting Democrat.

Actually most of those who are suddenly made ineligible to
vote weren't voting at all.

And probably didn't vote before ID, either.


That's correct. What voter ID has consistently done
is take what are mostly apathetic voters and turned
them into not apathetic ****ed off voters. They're ****ed
off because they perceive that they have been targeted
by those who are trying to take away their right to vote.
Whether that is true or not is irrelevant to them.
The fact that they are also being told that they don't
exist makes them even more ****ed.


Yeah, right, too apathetic when it was easy and suddenly they rise in
righteous indignation when they have to prove who they are.


It not only is absurdly counterintuitive, but he has no evidence to
support his belief.

It's a fantasy - it's what he would like to happen. There is no
evidence it has happened or will happen.



Uhhuh.

Between your knee jerking and foaming at the mouth, I'm surprised you
can still type.

David


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"David R. Birch" wrote:

On 9/11/2013 11:32 AM, jim wrote:


"David R. Birch" wrote:



All people without ID who would obtain
the ID and vote were already voting Democrat.

Actually most of those who are suddenly made ineligible to
vote weren't voting at all.

And probably didn't vote before ID, either.


That's correct. What voter ID has consistently done
is take what are mostly apathetic voters and turned
them into not apathetic ****ed off voters. They're ****ed
off because they perceive that they have been targeted
by those who are trying to take away their right to vote.
Whether that is true or not is irrelevant to them.
The fact that they are also being told that they don't
exist makes them even more ****ed.


Yeah, right, too apathetic when it was easy and suddenly they rise in
righteous indignation when they have to prove who they are.


Yup you got it right.
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George Plimpton wrote:

On 9/11/2013 9:33 AM, jim lied:


George Plimpton wrote:

On 9/11/2013 6:37 AM, jim lied:


George Plimpton wrote:

On 9/11/2013 6:20 AM, jim lied:


"David R. Birch" wrote:


There are estimated to be 21 million otherwise qualified voters
in the US who would have to upgrade their ID. That is alot of
voters your putting hurdles in front of and expecting they won't
be ****ed and won't act on their displeasure inside the voting booth.

21 million of voting age unable to buy alcohol or cigarettes? Unable to
use an airline or drive a car or receive govt assistance or enter a bar?

Yeah, right.

Go ahead pretend voters without the proper ID don't exist.

It's a negligible number.

There are nearly 30 million of voting age that don't have
drivers license.

Bull****. That would be close to 15 percent of all voters, even
assuming all of those "30 million" [sic] are otherwise eligible.

Being of voting age doesn't imply eligibility to vote.

The vast majority of otherwise eligible voters who lack ID can obtain it
easily.


It's 14%. Look it up.


There are not 30 million otherwise eligible voters who lack proper ID.


Who said there was?
That is the number that don't have a drivers license.


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On 9/11/2013 11:35 AM, jim lied:


"David R. Birch" wrote:

On 9/11/2013 11:32 AM, jim lied:


"David R. Birch" wrote:



All people without ID who would obtain
the ID and vote were already voting Democrat.

Actually most of those who are suddenly made ineligible to
vote weren't voting at all.

And probably didn't vote before ID, either.


That's correct. What voter ID has consistently done
is take what are mostly apathetic voters and turned
them into not apathetic ****ed off voters. They're ****ed
off because they perceive that they have been targeted
by those who are trying to take away their right to vote.
Whether that is true or not is irrelevant to them.
The fact that they are also being told that they don't
exist makes them even more ****ed.


Yeah, right, too apathetic when it was easy and suddenly they rise in
righteous indignation when they have to prove who they are.


Yup you got it right.


Yes, he was mocking your silly fairy tale fantasy.

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On 9/11/2013 11:38 AM, jim lied:


George Plimpton wrote:

On 9/11/2013 9:33 AM, jim lied:


George Plimpton wrote:

On 9/11/2013 6:37 AM, jim lied:


George Plimpton wrote:

On 9/11/2013 6:20 AM, jim lied:


"David R. Birch" wrote:


There are estimated to be 21 million otherwise qualified voters
in the US who would have to upgrade their ID. That is alot of
voters your putting hurdles in front of and expecting they won't
be ****ed and won't act on their displeasure inside the voting booth.

21 million of voting age unable to buy alcohol or cigarettes? Unable to
use an airline or drive a car or receive govt assistance or enter a bar?

Yeah, right.

Go ahead pretend voters without the proper ID don't exist.

It's a negligible number.

There are nearly 30 million of voting age that don't have
drivers license.

Bull****. That would be close to 15 percent of all voters, even
assuming all of those "30 million" [sic] are otherwise eligible.

Being of voting age doesn't imply eligibility to vote.

The vast majority of otherwise eligible voters who lack ID can obtain it
easily.


It's 14%. Look it up.


There are not 30 million otherwise eligible voters who lack proper ID.


Who said there was?
That is the number that don't have a drivers license.


The implication is that by not having a driving license, they lack
proper ID. Your number is garbage.

Your fantasy fairy tale is garbage. Voter ID has not motivated anyone
who did not previously vote to register and vote, nor will it.

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On Wednesday, September 11, 2013 8:54:33 AM UTC-7, George Plimpton wrote:
On 9/11/2013 6:37 AM, jim lied:





George Plimpton wrote:




On 9/11/2013 6:20 AM, jim lied:






"David R. Birch" wrote:






There are estimated to be 21 million otherwise qualified voters


in the US who would have to upgrade their ID. That is alot of


voters your putting hurdles in front of and expecting they won't


be ****ed and won't act on their displeasure inside the voting booth.




21 million of voting age unable to buy alcohol or cigarettes? Unable to


use an airline or drive a car or receive govt assistance or enter a bar?




Yeah, right.




Go ahead pretend voters without the proper ID don't exist.




It's a negligible number.




There are nearly 30 million of voting age that don't have


drivers license.




Bull****. That would be close to 15 percent of all voters, even

assuming all of those "30 million" [sic] are otherwise eligible.



Being of voting age doesn't imply eligibility to vote.



The vast majority of otherwise eligible voters who lack ID can obtain it

easily.





Requiring ID is not going to motivate people


who would not otherwise have voted to register and vote against the


implementers of voter ID laws.




Keep repeating that over and over and




You keep repeating your fairy tale to yourself, as I know you find it

comforting. It is, however, only a fairy tale.





All people without ID who would obtain


the ID and vote were already voting Democrat.




Actually most of those who are suddenly made ineligible to


vote weren't voting at all.




Your fairy tale is that some significant number of people who weren't

voting when it was relatively easy are now going to register and vote

when it's harder, and vote against the creep-ass crackers.



Sorry, that's just a fairy tale, and you are irrational for believing it.


Correction. Jim is irrational for engaging a lying, anonymous posting pussy, who isn't mechanical and who knows nothing about metalworking, like the Pimple in debate.
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On 9/11/2013 1:35 PM, jim wrote:


"David R. Birch" wrote:

On 9/11/2013 11:32 AM, jim wrote:


"David R. Birch" wrote:



All people without ID who would obtain
the ID and vote were already voting Democrat.

Actually most of those who are suddenly made ineligible to
vote weren't voting at all.

And probably didn't vote before ID, either.


That's correct. What voter ID has consistently done
is take what are mostly apathetic voters and turned
them into not apathetic ****ed off voters. They're ****ed
off because they perceive that they have been targeted
by those who are trying to take away their right to vote.
Whether that is true or not is irrelevant to them.
The fact that they are also being told that they don't
exist makes them even more ****ed.


Yeah, right, too apathetic when it was easy and suddenly they rise in
righteous indignation when they have to prove who they are.


Yup you got it right.


And you have a vivid fantasy life, although not a healthy one.

David
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