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On Wednesday, July 24, 2013 10:18:16 PM UTC-4, Tom Gardner wrote:
On 7/24/2013 3:47 PM, Ed Huntress wrote:

On Wed, 24 Jul 2013 15:06:48 -0400, Tom Gardner Mars@Tacks wrote:




On 7/23/2013 6:41 PM, Ed Huntress wrote:


On Tue, 23 Jul 2013 18:34:58 -0400, Tom Gardner Mars@Tacks wrote:




On 7/23/2013 2:06 PM, Pierre Laporte, Minister of Unemployment and


Assimilation wrote:


In article


Media Madders.Lie wrote:




The shooting of Trayvon might never have happened if school officials


in Miami-Dade County had not instituted a fraudulent policy of


treating Crimes as 'School Disciplinary Infractions'. Revelations that


emerged from an Internal Affairs investigation explain why Martin was


not arrested when caught at school with stolen jewelry and with


marijuana. Instead, the typical gangsta wannabe was just suspended


from school, the last time just days before he was shot while


attacking George Zimmerman.


Trayvon Martin was not from Sanford, the town north of Orlando where


he was shot in 2012 and where a Jury Acquitted Zimmerman of murder


charges. Martin was from Miami Gardens, over 200 miles away, and had


come to Sanford to hang out with one of his babydaddy's 'hoes Brandy


Green at her crib in the community where Zimmerman was in charge of


the Neighborhood Watch. Trayvon was staying with Green after he had


been suspended for the 2nd time in 6 months from Krop High School in


Miami-Dade County, where his daddy, Tracy Martin, and mammy, Sybrina


Fulton, lived.


Both of Trayvon's disciplinary suspensions at Krop High involved


Crimes that should have led to his prosecution. However, Chief Charles


Hurley of the Miami-Dade School Police Department (MDSPD) had


implemented a cover-up policy that reduced the number of Criminal


Reports, manipulating statistics to create the false appearance of a


reduction in crime within his school system. Less than two weeks


before Trayvon's death, the school system commended Chief Hurley for


"decreasing school-related juvenile delinquency by an amazing 60% for


the last six months of 2011." What was actually happening was that


Crimes were not being reported, but instead mischaracterized as


'Disciplinary Infractions'.


After video surveillance cameras caught Trayvon spraying graffiti,


MDSPD Office Darryl Dunn searched his backpack, looking for the


markers he was using. Officer Dunn found 12 pieces of women's jewelry


and a man's watch, along with a heavy flathead screwdriver the officer


described as a "burglary tool." The jewelry and watch, which Martin


claimed he had gotten from a friend he refused to name, matched a


description of items stolen during the October 2011 home robbery of a


house on 204th Terrace, about a half-mile from the school. However,


because of Chief Hurley's scheme "to lower the Arrest Rates," as a


MDSPD sergeant revealed during an internal investigation, the stolen


jewelry in Trayvon's possession was instead only listed as "found


property" and was never reported to Miami-Dade Police who were


investigating the robberies. Similarly, in February 2012 when an MDSPD


officer caught Trayvon with a plastic bag containing marijuana, as


well as a marijuana pipe, this was not treated as a crime, and instead


he was merely suspended from class.


These Crimes should have put Trayvon Martin into the custody of the


Justice System. However, because of Chief Hurley's tricky scheme to


spin the school Crime Statistics - according to sworn testimony,


officers were "basically told to lie and falsify" reports - Trayvon


wasn't arrested. If he had been arrested, he might never have been


prowling around in Sanford after scoring the fixings for a 'Street


Drug' (promethazine/codeine cough syrup, Soda & Skittles) the night of


his fateful encounter with Zimmerman.


In fact, the reason Zimmerman was suspicious of the hooded figure


skulking around the townhouse community the night of the February 2012


shooting was that there had been a rash of burglaries in the


neighborhood since Trayvon had arrived so he called the Police.


As for Chief Hurley's scam, it was the controversy over Trayvon's


death that accidentally exposed it. In March 2012, the Miami Herald


reported on Trayvon's criminal activities at Krop High. Chief Hurley


then launched the Internal Affairs Investigation in an attempt to find


out who had leaked information to reporters. During the course of the


IA Investigation, MDSPD officers and supervisors desclosed Chief


Hurley's policy of covering up Crimes by students. Chief Hurley was


subsequently accused of Sexually Harassing two female subordinates. He


resigned in disgrace in February, about a year after Trayvon Martin's


death.




Hurley was fond of black pussy, see Deanna Fox-Williams, 2nd


from right.




http://theconservativetreehouse.file...m/2012/12/miam


i-dade-schools-police-department.jpg?w=640&h=426




Also, Yewande Gibson.




http://media.nbcmiami.com/images/654...nde-Gibson.jpg








In other words, the boy had a bright future in the Democratic Party


Leadership or as a Reverend in the race-baiting business.




One lesson from this is never to carry a straight-bladed screwdriver


on your person. Another is that we should prepare prisons for half of


the young people in the US (and quite a few older people) because


they've smoked marijuana, and should be treated as criminals.






No, just the slime-balls on drugs that have stolen jewelry on them and


get caught casing YOUR neighborhood.




Aha! So, Zimmerman knew about the jewelry, and that it was stolen,


before he shot Martin? And he was casing the neighborhood -- even


though Martin was headed back to his dad's apartment? Right....




Why didn't he tell the cops? According to the rightard story that's


been floating around here, the cops recognized the jewelry, that it


came from a house burglary, and that Martin had it in his possession,


but they didn't bother to investigate it because they didn't want to


mess up their arrest statistics.




After that fairy tale, I don't believe much of anything said about


this case.








The "innocent little boy" was casing houses in Zimmerman's neighborhood

where Zimmerman was on the neighborhood watch...most likely started due

to Martin's crime spree. I would have had a rifle and shot the

criminal, multiple times from at at least 50 yards after witnessing him

case houses.


And you'd be doing life in prison.
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On 7/24/2013 11:47 PM, rangerssuck wrote:
On Wednesday, July 24, 2013 10:18:16 PM UTC-4, Tom Gardner wrote:
On 7/24/2013 3:47 PM, Ed Huntress wrote:

On Wed, 24 Jul 2013 15:06:48 -0400, Tom Gardner Mars@Tacks wrote:




On 7/23/2013 6:41 PM, Ed Huntress wrote:


On Tue, 23 Jul 2013 18:34:58 -0400, Tom Gardner Mars@Tacks wrote:




On 7/23/2013 2:06 PM, Pierre Laporte, Minister of Unemployment and


Assimilation wrote:


In article


Media Madders.Lie wrote:




The shooting of Trayvon might never have happened if school officials


in Miami-Dade County had not instituted a fraudulent policy of


treating Crimes as 'School Disciplinary Infractions'. Revelations that


emerged from an Internal Affairs investigation explain why Martin was


not arrested when caught at school with stolen jewelry and with


marijuana. Instead, the typical gangsta wannabe was just suspended


from school, the last time just days before he was shot while


attacking George Zimmerman.


Trayvon Martin was not from Sanford, the town north of Orlando where


he was shot in 2012 and where a Jury Acquitted Zimmerman of murder


charges. Martin was from Miami Gardens, over 200 miles away, and had


come to Sanford to hang out with one of his babydaddy's 'hoes Brandy


Green at her crib in the community where Zimmerman was in charge of


the Neighborhood Watch. Trayvon was staying with Green after he had


been suspended for the 2nd time in 6 months from Krop High School in


Miami-Dade County, where his daddy, Tracy Martin, and mammy, Sybrina


Fulton, lived.


Both of Trayvon's disciplinary suspensions at Krop High involved


Crimes that should have led to his prosecution. However, Chief Charles


Hurley of the Miami-Dade School Police Department (MDSPD) had


implemented a cover-up policy that reduced the number of Criminal


Reports, manipulating statistics to create the false appearance of a


reduction in crime within his school system. Less than two weeks


before Trayvon's death, the school system commended Chief Hurley for


"decreasing school-related juvenile delinquency by an amazing 60% for


the last six months of 2011." What was actually happening was that


Crimes were not being reported, but instead mischaracterized as


'Disciplinary Infractions'.


After video surveillance cameras caught Trayvon spraying graffiti,


MDSPD Office Darryl Dunn searched his backpack, looking for the


markers he was using. Officer Dunn found 12 pieces of women's jewelry


and a man's watch, along with a heavy flathead screwdriver the officer


described as a "burglary tool." The jewelry and watch, which Martin


claimed he had gotten from a friend he refused to name, matched a


description of items stolen during the October 2011 home robbery of a


house on 204th Terrace, about a half-mile from the school. However,


because of Chief Hurley's scheme "to lower the Arrest Rates," as a


MDSPD sergeant revealed during an internal investigation, the stolen


jewelry in Trayvon's possession was instead only listed as "found


property" and was never reported to Miami-Dade Police who were


investigating the robberies. Similarly, in February 2012 when an MDSPD


officer caught Trayvon with a plastic bag containing marijuana, as


well as a marijuana pipe, this was not treated as a crime, and instead


he was merely suspended from class.


These Crimes should have put Trayvon Martin into the custody of the


Justice System. However, because of Chief Hurley's tricky scheme to


spin the school Crime Statistics - according to sworn testimony,


officers were "basically told to lie and falsify" reports - Trayvon


wasn't arrested. If he had been arrested, he might never have been


prowling around in Sanford after scoring the fixings for a 'Street


Drug' (promethazine/codeine cough syrup, Soda & Skittles) the night of


his fateful encounter with Zimmerman.


In fact, the reason Zimmerman was suspicious of the hooded figure


skulking around the townhouse community the night of the February 2012


shooting was that there had been a rash of burglaries in the


neighborhood since Trayvon had arrived so he called the Police.


As for Chief Hurley's scam, it was the controversy over Trayvon's


death that accidentally exposed it. In March 2012, the Miami Herald


reported on Trayvon's criminal activities at Krop High. Chief Hurley


then launched the Internal Affairs Investigation in an attempt to find


out who had leaked information to reporters. During the course of the


IA Investigation, MDSPD officers and supervisors desclosed Chief


Hurley's policy of covering up Crimes by students. Chief Hurley was


subsequently accused of Sexually Harassing two female subordinates. He


resigned in disgrace in February, about a year after Trayvon Martin's


death.




Hurley was fond of black pussy, see Deanna Fox-Williams, 2nd


from right.




http://theconservativetreehouse.file...m/2012/12/miam


i-dade-schools-police-department.jpg?w=640&h=426




Also, Yewande Gibson.




http://media.nbcmiami.com/images/654...nde-Gibson.jpg








In other words, the boy had a bright future in the Democratic Party


Leadership or as a Reverend in the race-baiting business.




One lesson from this is never to carry a straight-bladed screwdriver


on your person. Another is that we should prepare prisons for half of


the young people in the US (and quite a few older people) because


they've smoked marijuana, and should be treated as criminals.






No, just the slime-balls on drugs that have stolen jewelry on them and


get caught casing YOUR neighborhood.




Aha! So, Zimmerman knew about the jewelry, and that it was stolen,


before he shot Martin? And he was casing the neighborhood -- even


though Martin was headed back to his dad's apartment? Right....




Why didn't he tell the cops? According to the rightard story that's


been floating around here, the cops recognized the jewelry, that it


came from a house burglary, and that Martin had it in his possession,


but they didn't bother to investigate it because they didn't want to


mess up their arrest statistics.




After that fairy tale, I don't believe much of anything said about


this case.








The "innocent little boy" was casing houses in Zimmerman's neighborhood

where Zimmerman was on the neighborhood watch...most likely started due

to Martin's crime spree. I would have had a rifle and shot the

criminal, multiple times from at at least 50 yards after witnessing him

case houses.


And you'd be doing life in prison.



Silenced rifle, sabot round. And, just how would I get arrested?
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On Thu, 25 Jul 2013 09:10:52 -0400, Tom Gardner Mars@Tacks wrote:

On 7/24/2013 11:47 PM, rangerssuck wrote:
On Wednesday, July 24, 2013 10:18:16 PM UTC-4, Tom Gardner wrote:
On 7/24/2013 3:47 PM, Ed Huntress wrote:

On Wed, 24 Jul 2013 15:06:48 -0400, Tom Gardner Mars@Tacks wrote:



On 7/23/2013 6:41 PM, Ed Huntress wrote:

On Tue, 23 Jul 2013 18:34:58 -0400, Tom Gardner Mars@Tacks wrote:



On 7/23/2013 2:06 PM, Pierre Laporte, Minister of Unemployment and

Assimilation wrote:

In article

Media Madders.Lie wrote:



The shooting of Trayvon might never have happened if school officials

in Miami-Dade County had not instituted a fraudulent policy of

treating Crimes as 'School Disciplinary Infractions'. Revelations that

emerged from an Internal Affairs investigation explain why Martin was

not arrested when caught at school with stolen jewelry and with

marijuana. Instead, the typical gangsta wannabe was just suspended

from school, the last time just days before he was shot while

attacking George Zimmerman.

Trayvon Martin was not from Sanford, the town north of Orlando where

he was shot in 2012 and where a Jury Acquitted Zimmerman of murder

charges. Martin was from Miami Gardens, over 200 miles away, and had

come to Sanford to hang out with one of his babydaddy's 'hoes Brandy

Green at her crib in the community where Zimmerman was in charge of

the Neighborhood Watch. Trayvon was staying with Green after he had

been suspended for the 2nd time in 6 months from Krop High School in

Miami-Dade County, where his daddy, Tracy Martin, and mammy, Sybrina

Fulton, lived.

Both of Trayvon's disciplinary suspensions at Krop High involved

Crimes that should have led to his prosecution. However, Chief Charles

Hurley of the Miami-Dade School Police Department (MDSPD) had

implemented a cover-up policy that reduced the number of Criminal

Reports, manipulating statistics to create the false appearance of a

reduction in crime within his school system. Less than two weeks

before Trayvon's death, the school system commended Chief Hurley for

"decreasing school-related juvenile delinquency by an amazing 60% for

the last six months of 2011." What was actually happening was that

Crimes were not being reported, but instead mischaracterized as

'Disciplinary Infractions'.

After video surveillance cameras caught Trayvon spraying graffiti,

MDSPD Office Darryl Dunn searched his backpack, looking for the

markers he was using. Officer Dunn found 12 pieces of women's jewelry

and a man's watch, along with a heavy flathead screwdriver the officer

described as a "burglary tool." The jewelry and watch, which Martin

claimed he had gotten from a friend he refused to name, matched a

description of items stolen during the October 2011 home robbery of a

house on 204th Terrace, about a half-mile from the school. However,

because of Chief Hurley's scheme "to lower the Arrest Rates," as a

MDSPD sergeant revealed during an internal investigation, the stolen

jewelry in Trayvon's possession was instead only listed as "found

property" and was never reported to Miami-Dade Police who were

investigating the robberies. Similarly, in February 2012 when an MDSPD

officer caught Trayvon with a plastic bag containing marijuana, as

well as a marijuana pipe, this was not treated as a crime, and instead

he was merely suspended from class.

These Crimes should have put Trayvon Martin into the custody of the

Justice System. However, because of Chief Hurley's tricky scheme to

spin the school Crime Statistics - according to sworn testimony,

officers were "basically told to lie and falsify" reports - Trayvon

wasn't arrested. If he had been arrested, he might never have been

prowling around in Sanford after scoring the fixings for a 'Street

Drug' (promethazine/codeine cough syrup, Soda & Skittles) the night of

his fateful encounter with Zimmerman.

In fact, the reason Zimmerman was suspicious of the hooded figure

skulking around the townhouse community the night of the February 2012

shooting was that there had been a rash of burglaries in the

neighborhood since Trayvon had arrived so he called the Police.

As for Chief Hurley's scam, it was the controversy over Trayvon's

death that accidentally exposed it. In March 2012, the Miami Herald

reported on Trayvon's criminal activities at Krop High. Chief Hurley

then launched the Internal Affairs Investigation in an attempt to find

out who had leaked information to reporters. During the course of the

IA Investigation, MDSPD officers and supervisors desclosed Chief

Hurley's policy of covering up Crimes by students. Chief Hurley was

subsequently accused of Sexually Harassing two female subordinates. He

resigned in disgrace in February, about a year after Trayvon Martin's

death.



Hurley was fond of black pussy, see Deanna Fox-Williams, 2nd

from right.



http://theconservativetreehouse.file...m/2012/12/miam

i-dade-schools-police-department.jpg?w=640&h=426



Also, Yewande Gibson.



http://media.nbcmiami.com/images/654...nde-Gibson.jpg







In other words, the boy had a bright future in the Democratic Party

Leadership or as a Reverend in the race-baiting business.



One lesson from this is never to carry a straight-bladed screwdriver

on your person. Another is that we should prepare prisons for half of

the young people in the US (and quite a few older people) because

they've smoked marijuana, and should be treated as criminals.





No, just the slime-balls on drugs that have stolen jewelry on them and

get caught casing YOUR neighborhood.



Aha! So, Zimmerman knew about the jewelry, and that it was stolen,

before he shot Martin? And he was casing the neighborhood -- even

though Martin was headed back to his dad's apartment? Right....



Why didn't he tell the cops? According to the rightard story that's

been floating around here, the cops recognized the jewelry, that it

came from a house burglary, and that Martin had it in his possession,

but they didn't bother to investigate it because they didn't want to

mess up their arrest statistics.



After that fairy tale, I don't believe much of anything said about

this case.







The "innocent little boy" was casing houses in Zimmerman's neighborhood

where Zimmerman was on the neighborhood watch...most likely started due

to Martin's crime spree. I would have had a rifle and shot the

criminal, multiple times from at at least 50 yards after witnessing him

case houses.


And you'd be doing life in prison.



Silenced rifle, sabot round. And, just how would I get arrested?


Sigh..Lefties simply dont think very well about important things do
they? This is..afterall...a metalworking newsgroup composed of some
very smart people (leftwingers excepted of course)

Hell..using a proper very light soft point.... one doesnt even need a
sabot. They tend to blow up nicely when shooting a person with a 40gr
varmint bullet at 4000+ fps. Particularly when you put one into
their melon. Very little left except tiny bits and pieces. And if
they manage to spend weeks putting the pieces together into something
even remotely identifyable..they have to have a firearm to match it
with. So dont shoot too many people and dont become a suspect.

This is a metalworking group..silencers are sooooo easy to build.
Anyone here can wack out one in a couple or 3 hours at most. Not that
Id break the law..no sirree..but others...shrug.

Ill wait until I absolutely need such a device before breaking the
law..but building them...its easy as pie. Plans are all over the
internet for free. Same with high energy exothermic compounds.
Formulas and instructions are everywhere. You simply have to look for
them. www.duckduckgo.com is a very good tool. The Feebs cant track
your searches....shrug.

Its hardly rocket science to set up a rifle/firearm so its less than
noisy. It hardly requires a chemistry lab to make high energy
exothermics. Many you can do with the **** under your sink...or in
your garden shed..or your medicine cabinet.

That stuff is easy and has been easy for many many years.

Gunner, off to LA for a couple days fixing Stuff.




--
""Almost all liberal behavioral tropes track the impotent rage of small
children. Thus, for example, there is also the popular tactic of
repeating some stupid, meaningless phrase a billion times" Arms for
hostages, arms for hostages, arms for hostages, it's just about sex, just
about sex, just about sex, dumb,dumb, money in politics,money in
politics, Enron, Enron, Enron. Nothing repeated with mind-numbing
frequency in all major news outlets will not be believed by some members
of the populace. It is the permanence of evil; you can't stop it." (Ann
Coulter)
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On Thursday, July 25, 2013 9:10:52 AM UTC-4, Tom Gardner wrote:
On 7/24/2013 11:47 PM, rangerssuck wrote:


to Martin's crime spree. I would have had a rifle and shot the
criminal, multiple times from at at least 50 yards after witnessing him
case houses.


And you'd be doing life in prison.



Silenced rifle, sabot round. And, just how would I get arrested?


Simple. You'd come here to brag about the guy you just killed, and the cops would come a knockin'. And they'd go look at your posting history and crank the charges up to first degree murder, as you have just done the premeditation part in public.

Or, even if you didn't come to brag here after the murder, the cops in your neighborhood would come looking for the guy who just today told exactly how he'd go about killing an unarmed stranger. Very dangerous to do your fantasizing in public, Tom.
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On 7/25/2013 6:10 AM, Tom Gardner wrote:
On 7/24/2013 11:47 PM, rangerssuck wrote:
On Wednesday, July 24, 2013 10:18:16 PM UTC-4, Tom Gardner wrote:
On 7/24/2013 3:47 PM, Ed Huntress wrote:

On Wed, 24 Jul 2013 15:06:48 -0400, Tom Gardner Mars@Tacks wrote:



On 7/23/2013 6:41 PM, Ed Huntress wrote:

On Tue, 23 Jul 2013 18:34:58 -0400, Tom Gardner Mars@Tacks wrote:



On 7/23/2013 2:06 PM, Pierre Laporte, Minister of Unemployment and

Assimilation wrote:

In article

Media Madders.Lie wrote:



The shooting of Trayvon might never have happened if school
officials

in Miami-Dade County had not instituted a fraudulent policy of

treating Crimes as 'School Disciplinary Infractions'.
Revelations that

emerged from an Internal Affairs investigation explain why
Martin was

not arrested when caught at school with stolen jewelry and with

marijuana. Instead, the typical gangsta wannabe was just suspended

from school, the last time just days before he was shot while

attacking George Zimmerman.

Trayvon Martin was not from Sanford, the town north of Orlando
where

he was shot in 2012 and where a Jury Acquitted Zimmerman of murder

charges. Martin was from Miami Gardens, over 200 miles away,
and had

come to Sanford to hang out with one of his babydaddy's 'hoes
Brandy

Green at her crib in the community where Zimmerman was in
charge of

the Neighborhood Watch. Trayvon was staying with Green after he
had

been suspended for the 2nd time in 6 months from Krop High
School in

Miami-Dade County, where his daddy, Tracy Martin, and mammy,
Sybrina

Fulton, lived.

Both of Trayvon's disciplinary suspensions at Krop High involved

Crimes that should have led to his prosecution. However, Chief
Charles

Hurley of the Miami-Dade School Police Department (MDSPD) had

implemented a cover-up policy that reduced the number of Criminal

Reports, manipulating statistics to create the false appearance
of a

reduction in crime within his school system. Less than two weeks

before Trayvon's death, the school system commended Chief
Hurley for

"decreasing school-related juvenile delinquency by an amazing
60% for

the last six months of 2011." What was actually happening was that

Crimes were not being reported, but instead mischaracterized as

'Disciplinary Infractions'.

After video surveillance cameras caught Trayvon spraying graffiti,

MDSPD Office Darryl Dunn searched his backpack, looking for the

markers he was using. Officer Dunn found 12 pieces of women's
jewelry

and a man's watch, along with a heavy flathead screwdriver the
officer

described as a "burglary tool." The jewelry and watch, which
Martin

claimed he had gotten from a friend he refused to name, matched a

description of items stolen during the October 2011 home
robbery of a

house on 204th Terrace, about a half-mile from the school.
However,

because of Chief Hurley's scheme "to lower the Arrest Rates," as a

MDSPD sergeant revealed during an internal investigation, the
stolen

jewelry in Trayvon's possession was instead only listed as "found

property" and was never reported to Miami-Dade Police who were

investigating the robberies. Similarly, in February 2012 when
an MDSPD

officer caught Trayvon with a plastic bag containing marijuana, as

well as a marijuana pipe, this was not treated as a crime, and
instead

he was merely suspended from class.

These Crimes should have put Trayvon Martin into the custody of
the

Justice System. However, because of Chief Hurley's tricky
scheme to

spin the school Crime Statistics - according to sworn testimony,

officers were "basically told to lie and falsify" reports -
Trayvon

wasn't arrested. If he had been arrested, he might never have been

prowling around in Sanford after scoring the fixings for a 'Street

Drug' (promethazine/codeine cough syrup, Soda & Skittles) the
night of

his fateful encounter with Zimmerman.

In fact, the reason Zimmerman was suspicious of the hooded figure

skulking around the townhouse community the night of the
February 2012

shooting was that there had been a rash of burglaries in the

neighborhood since Trayvon had arrived so he called the Police.

As for Chief Hurley's scam, it was the controversy over Trayvon's

death that accidentally exposed it. In March 2012, the Miami
Herald

reported on Trayvon's criminal activities at Krop High. Chief
Hurley

then launched the Internal Affairs Investigation in an attempt
to find

out who had leaked information to reporters. During the course
of the

IA Investigation, MDSPD officers and supervisors desclosed Chief

Hurley's policy of covering up Crimes by students. Chief Hurley
was

subsequently accused of Sexually Harassing two female
subordinates. He

resigned in disgrace in February, about a year after Trayvon
Martin's

death.



Hurley was fond of black pussy, see Deanna Fox-Williams, 2nd

from right.



http://theconservativetreehouse.file...m/2012/12/miam

i-dade-schools-police-department.jpg?w=640&h=426



Also, Yewande Gibson.



http://media.nbcmiami.com/images/654...nde-Gibson.jpg







In other words, the boy had a bright future in the Democratic Party

Leadership or as a Reverend in the race-baiting business.



One lesson from this is never to carry a straight-bladed screwdriver

on your person. Another is that we should prepare prisons for half of

the young people in the US (and quite a few older people) because

they've smoked marijuana, and should be treated as criminals.





No, just the slime-balls on drugs that have stolen jewelry on them and

get caught casing YOUR neighborhood.



Aha! So, Zimmerman knew about the jewelry, and that it was stolen,

before he shot Martin? And he was casing the neighborhood -- even

though Martin was headed back to his dad's apartment? Right....



Why didn't he tell the cops? According to the rightard story that's

been floating around here, the cops recognized the jewelry, that it

came from a house burglary, and that Martin had it in his possession,

but they didn't bother to investigate it because they didn't want to

mess up their arrest statistics.



After that fairy tale, I don't believe much of anything said about

this case.







The "innocent little boy" was casing houses in Zimmerman's neighborhood


Prove it.


where Zimmerman was on the neighborhood watch...most likely started due

to Martin's crime spree. I would have had a rifle and shot the

criminal, multiple times from at at least 50 yards after witnessing him

case houses.


And you'd be doing life in prison.



Silenced rifle, sabot round. And, just how would I get arrested?


Why don't you **** off now, little tommy? You wouldn't do any of that.
You don't have the balls.

You're a gutless lying coward. You cower in abject terror all the time,
just like gummer and scooter. You gutless ****s aren't tough, and never
had any hope of being tough.


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On Thursday, July 25, 2013 12:17:48 PM UTC-4, George Plimpton wrote:
On 7/25/2013 8:52 AM, rangerssuck wrote:

On Thursday, July 25, 2013 9:10:52 AM UTC-4, Tom Gardner wrote:


On 7/24/2013 11:47 PM, rangerssuck wrote:




to Martin's crime spree. I would have had a rifle and shot the


criminal, multiple times from at at least 50 yards after witnessing him


case houses.




And you'd be doing life in prison.






Silenced rifle, sabot round. And, just how would I get arrested?




Simple. You'd come here to brag about the guy you just killed, and the cops would come a knockin'. And they'd go look at your posting history and crank the charges up to first degree murder, as you have just done the premeditation part in public.




Or, even if you didn't come to brag here after the murder, the cops in your neighborhood would come looking for the guy who just today told exactly how he'd go about killing an unarmed stranger. Very dangerous to do your fantasizing in public, Tom.






Look: you know I think you're an asshole, and that your politics is

100% wrong. But I think the same, probably even more so, about this

lying bragging gutless cocksucker tommy. Why are you wasting time

arguing with him about this corny bull****? We all know he'd never do

anything like this; nothing even close to it. All these cocksuckers -

gummer, tommy, mikey - they're all pseudo-toughs. They know it, too.

They don't have the skill and they don't have the guts to do any of this.



Maybe I'm wrong about discouraging you from engaging with them over this

horse****. Maybe the best thing is to encourage the asshole extremists

of the left - you and Scheisskopf and Travesty and yeaowerhghoofuz and

yes, even not-so-fast eddie - to engage and preoccupy the the asshole

faggot extremists of the right. All of you are irrelevant to the real

America - the America I inhabit.



First, Thanks for your concern. The fact is that I'm just sitting here waiting for the 3-D printer to finish so I can get on with an assembly, so taking a poke at Tommy is just a time killer. Of COURSE he would never do what he says he would, but at least he (and some others around here) ought to give a little thought, especially in light of the recent NSA revelations, to what they put on the record.

As for me being irrelevant to the America you live in, may I remind you that NONE of us is irrelevant. "All men are created equal", "One man, one vote" y'know, all that stuff that makes America great. Just because we don't agree (on pretty much everything) should make me irrelevant to you nor you to me. If anything it should make us MORE relevant to each other as we each have total control of our one vote, and your vote can defeat min as mine can defeat yours.

So, until one of us is made emperor, grand sultan or some other such all-powerful position, I submit that we, being two who vote, are as relevant to each other as anyone is to anyone else. And it behooves each of us to understand what (if not why) the other is thinking.
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How did Zimmerman know that Trayvon Martin was a delinquent,
burglarizing thug? By looking at him. And why did Zimmerman shoot him?
Because he attacked Zimmerman.

I hope that Zimmerman kills more thugs of ANY race. I would be just as
happy if he kills white thugs.

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On 7/25/2013 10:33 AM, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Thu, 25 Jul 2013 09:10:52 -0400, Tom Gardner Mars@Tacks wrote:

On 7/24/2013 11:47 PM, rangerssuck wrote:
On Wednesday, July 24, 2013 10:18:16 PM UTC-4, Tom Gardner wrote:
On 7/24/2013 3:47 PM, Ed Huntress wrote:

On Wed, 24 Jul 2013 15:06:48 -0400, Tom Gardner Mars@Tacks wrote:



On 7/23/2013 6:41 PM, Ed Huntress wrote:

On Tue, 23 Jul 2013 18:34:58 -0400, Tom Gardner Mars@Tacks wrote:



On 7/23/2013 2:06 PM, Pierre Laporte, Minister of Unemployment and

Assimilation wrote:

In article

Media Madders.Lie wrote:



The shooting of Trayvon might never have happened if school officials

in Miami-Dade County had not instituted a fraudulent policy of

treating Crimes as 'School Disciplinary Infractions'. Revelations that

emerged from an Internal Affairs investigation explain why Martin was

not arrested when caught at school with stolen jewelry and with

marijuana. Instead, the typical gangsta wannabe was just suspended

from school, the last time just days before he was shot while

attacking George Zimmerman.

Trayvon Martin was not from Sanford, the town north of Orlando where

he was shot in 2012 and where a Jury Acquitted Zimmerman of murder

charges. Martin was from Miami Gardens, over 200 miles away, and had

come to Sanford to hang out with one of his babydaddy's 'hoes Brandy

Green at her crib in the community where Zimmerman was in charge of

the Neighborhood Watch. Trayvon was staying with Green after he had

been suspended for the 2nd time in 6 months from Krop High School in

Miami-Dade County, where his daddy, Tracy Martin, and mammy, Sybrina

Fulton, lived.

Both of Trayvon's disciplinary suspensions at Krop High involved

Crimes that should have led to his prosecution. However, Chief Charles

Hurley of the Miami-Dade School Police Department (MDSPD) had

implemented a cover-up policy that reduced the number of Criminal

Reports, manipulating statistics to create the false appearance of a

reduction in crime within his school system. Less than two weeks

before Trayvon's death, the school system commended Chief Hurley for

"decreasing school-related juvenile delinquency by an amazing 60% for

the last six months of 2011." What was actually happening was that

Crimes were not being reported, but instead mischaracterized as

'Disciplinary Infractions'.

After video surveillance cameras caught Trayvon spraying graffiti,

MDSPD Office Darryl Dunn searched his backpack, looking for the

markers he was using. Officer Dunn found 12 pieces of women's jewelry

and a man's watch, along with a heavy flathead screwdriver the officer

described as a "burglary tool." The jewelry and watch, which Martin

claimed he had gotten from a friend he refused to name, matched a

description of items stolen during the October 2011 home robbery of a

house on 204th Terrace, about a half-mile from the school. However,

because of Chief Hurley's scheme "to lower the Arrest Rates," as a

MDSPD sergeant revealed during an internal investigation, the stolen

jewelry in Trayvon's possession was instead only listed as "found

property" and was never reported to Miami-Dade Police who were

investigating the robberies. Similarly, in February 2012 when an MDSPD

officer caught Trayvon with a plastic bag containing marijuana, as

well as a marijuana pipe, this was not treated as a crime, and instead

he was merely suspended from class.

These Crimes should have put Trayvon Martin into the custody of the

Justice System. However, because of Chief Hurley's tricky scheme to

spin the school Crime Statistics - according to sworn testimony,

officers were "basically told to lie and falsify" reports - Trayvon

wasn't arrested. If he had been arrested, he might never have been

prowling around in Sanford after scoring the fixings for a 'Street

Drug' (promethazine/codeine cough syrup, Soda & Skittles) the night of

his fateful encounter with Zimmerman.

In fact, the reason Zimmerman was suspicious of the hooded figure

skulking around the townhouse community the night of the February 2012

shooting was that there had been a rash of burglaries in the

neighborhood since Trayvon had arrived so he called the Police.

As for Chief Hurley's scam, it was the controversy over Trayvon's

death that accidentally exposed it. In March 2012, the Miami Herald

reported on Trayvon's criminal activities at Krop High. Chief Hurley

then launched the Internal Affairs Investigation in an attempt to find

out who had leaked information to reporters. During the course of the

IA Investigation, MDSPD officers and supervisors desclosed Chief

Hurley's policy of covering up Crimes by students. Chief Hurley was

subsequently accused of Sexually Harassing two female subordinates. He

resigned in disgrace in February, about a year after Trayvon Martin's

death.



Hurley was fond of black pussy, see Deanna Fox-Williams, 2nd

from right.



http://theconservativetreehouse.file...m/2012/12/miam

i-dade-schools-police-department.jpg?w=640&h=426



Also, Yewande Gibson.



http://media.nbcmiami.com/images/654...nde-Gibson.jpg







In other words, the boy had a bright future in the Democratic Party

Leadership or as a Reverend in the race-baiting business.



One lesson from this is never to carry a straight-bladed screwdriver

on your person. Another is that we should prepare prisons for half of

the young people in the US (and quite a few older people) because

they've smoked marijuana, and should be treated as criminals.





No, just the slime-balls on drugs that have stolen jewelry on them and

get caught casing YOUR neighborhood.



Aha! So, Zimmerman knew about the jewelry, and that it was stolen,

before he shot Martin? And he was casing the neighborhood -- even

though Martin was headed back to his dad's apartment? Right....



Why didn't he tell the cops? According to the rightard story that's

been floating around here, the cops recognized the jewelry, that it

came from a house burglary, and that Martin had it in his possession,

but they didn't bother to investigate it because they didn't want to

mess up their arrest statistics.



After that fairy tale, I don't believe much of anything said about

this case.







The "innocent little boy" was casing houses in Zimmerman's neighborhood

where Zimmerman was on the neighborhood watch...most likely started due

to Martin's crime spree. I would have had a rifle and shot the

criminal, multiple times from at at least 50 yards after witnessing him

case houses.

And you'd be doing life in prison.



Silenced rifle, sabot round. And, just how would I get arrested?


Sigh..Lefties simply dont think very well about important things do
they? This is..afterall...a metalworking newsgroup composed of some
very smart people (leftwingers excepted of course)

Hell..using a proper very light soft point.... one doesnt even need a
sabot. They tend to blow up nicely when shooting a person with a 40gr
varmint bullet at 4000+ fps. Particularly when you put one into
their melon. Very little left except tiny bits and pieces. And if
they manage to spend weeks putting the pieces together into something
even remotely identifyable..they have to have a firearm to match it
with. So dont shoot too many people and dont become a suspect.

This is a metalworking group..silencers are sooooo easy to build.
Anyone here can wack out one in a couple or 3 hours at most. Not that
Id break the law..no sirree..but others...shrug.

Ill wait until I absolutely need such a device before breaking the
law..but building them...its easy as pie. Plans are all over the
internet for free. Same with high energy exothermic compounds.
Formulas and instructions are everywhere. You simply have to look for
them. www.duckduckgo.com is a very good tool. The Feebs cant track
your searches....shrug.

Its hardly rocket science to set up a rifle/firearm so its less than
noisy. It hardly requires a chemistry lab to make high energy
exothermics. Many you can do with the **** under your sink...or in
your garden shed..or your medicine cabinet.

That stuff is easy and has been easy for many many years.

Gunner, off to LA for a couple days fixing Stuff.




4k FPS? I'm thinking subsonic.

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On 7/25/2013 11:52 AM, rangerssuck wrote:
On Thursday, July 25, 2013 9:10:52 AM UTC-4, Tom Gardner wrote:
On 7/24/2013 11:47 PM, rangerssuck wrote:


to Martin's crime spree. I would have had a rifle and shot the
criminal, multiple times from at at least 50 yards after witnessing him
case houses.


And you'd be doing life in prison.



Silenced rifle, sabot round. And, just how would I get arrested?


Simple. You'd come here to brag about the guy you just killed, and the cops would come a knockin'. And they'd go look at your posting history and crank the charges up to first degree murder, as you have just done the premeditation part in public.

Or, even if you didn't come to brag here after the murder, the cops in your neighborhood would come looking for the guy who just today told exactly how he'd go about killing an unarmed stranger. Very dangerous to do your fantasizing in public, Tom.



You think I'm a one-trick pony?
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On 7/25/2013 2:43 PM, Ignoramus3703 wrote:
How did Zimmerman know that Trayvon Martin was a delinquent,
burglarizing thug? By looking at him. And why did Zimmerman shoot him?
Because he attacked Zimmerman.

I hope that Zimmerman kills more thugs of ANY race. I would be just as
happy if he kills white thugs.

i



And if he changes his name to "Ben Ghazi", no one will ever investigate him!


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On 7/25/2013 3:14 PM, Tom Gardner wrote:
On 7/25/2013 11:52 AM, rangerssuck wrote:
On Thursday, July 25, 2013 9:10:52 AM UTC-4, Tom Gardner wrote:
On 7/24/2013 11:47 PM, rangerssuck wrote:


to Martin's crime spree. I would have had a rifle and shot the
criminal, multiple times from at at least 50 yards after witnessing
him
case houses.


And you'd be doing life in prison.



Silenced rifle, sabot round. And, just how would I get arrested?


Simple. You'd come here to brag about the guy you just killed, and the
cops would come a knockin'. And they'd go look at your posting
history and crank the charges up to first degree murder, as you have
just done the premeditation part in public.

Or, even if you didn't come to brag here after the murder, the cops in
your neighborhood would come looking for the guy who just today told
exactly how he'd go about killing an unarmed stranger. Very dangerous
to do your fantasizing in public, Tom.



You think I'm a one-trick pony?


You're a stupid talentless jackass.

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On Thu, 25 Jul 2013 07:33:16 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Thu, 25 Jul 2013 09:10:52 -0400, Tom Gardner Mars@Tacks wrote:

On 7/24/2013 11:47 PM, rangerssuck wrote:
On Wednesday, July 24, 2013 10:18:16 PM UTC-4, Tom Gardner wrote:
On 7/24/2013 3:47 PM, Ed Huntress wrote:

On Wed, 24 Jul 2013 15:06:48 -0400, Tom Gardner Mars@Tacks wrote:



On 7/23/2013 6:41 PM, Ed Huntress wrote:

On Tue, 23 Jul 2013 18:34:58 -0400, Tom Gardner Mars@Tacks wrote:



On 7/23/2013 2:06 PM, Pierre Laporte, Minister of Unemployment and

Assimilation wrote:

In article

Media Madders.Lie wrote:



The shooting of Trayvon might never have happened if school officials

in Miami-Dade County had not instituted a fraudulent policy of

treating Crimes as 'School Disciplinary Infractions'. Revelations that

emerged from an Internal Affairs investigation explain why Martin was

not arrested when caught at school with stolen jewelry and with

marijuana. Instead, the typical gangsta wannabe was just suspended

from school, the last time just days before he was shot while

attacking George Zimmerman.

Trayvon Martin was not from Sanford, the town north of Orlando where

he was shot in 2012 and where a Jury Acquitted Zimmerman of murder

charges. Martin was from Miami Gardens, over 200 miles away, and had

come to Sanford to hang out with one of his babydaddy's 'hoes Brandy

Green at her crib in the community where Zimmerman was in charge of

the Neighborhood Watch. Trayvon was staying with Green after he had

been suspended for the 2nd time in 6 months from Krop High School in

Miami-Dade County, where his daddy, Tracy Martin, and mammy, Sybrina

Fulton, lived.

Both of Trayvon's disciplinary suspensions at Krop High involved

Crimes that should have led to his prosecution. However, Chief Charles

Hurley of the Miami-Dade School Police Department (MDSPD) had

implemented a cover-up policy that reduced the number of Criminal

Reports, manipulating statistics to create the false appearance of a

reduction in crime within his school system. Less than two weeks

before Trayvon's death, the school system commended Chief Hurley for

"decreasing school-related juvenile delinquency by an amazing 60% for

the last six months of 2011." What was actually happening was that

Crimes were not being reported, but instead mischaracterized as

'Disciplinary Infractions'.

After video surveillance cameras caught Trayvon spraying graffiti,

MDSPD Office Darryl Dunn searched his backpack, looking for the

markers he was using. Officer Dunn found 12 pieces of women's jewelry

and a man's watch, along with a heavy flathead screwdriver the officer

described as a "burglary tool." The jewelry and watch, which Martin

claimed he had gotten from a friend he refused to name, matched a

description of items stolen during the October 2011 home robbery of a

house on 204th Terrace, about a half-mile from the school. However,

because of Chief Hurley's scheme "to lower the Arrest Rates," as a

MDSPD sergeant revealed during an internal investigation, the stolen

jewelry in Trayvon's possession was instead only listed as "found

property" and was never reported to Miami-Dade Police who were

investigating the robberies. Similarly, in February 2012 when an MDSPD

officer caught Trayvon with a plastic bag containing marijuana, as

well as a marijuana pipe, this was not treated as a crime, and instead

he was merely suspended from class.

These Crimes should have put Trayvon Martin into the custody of the

Justice System. However, because of Chief Hurley's tricky scheme to

spin the school Crime Statistics - according to sworn testimony,

officers were "basically told to lie and falsify" reports - Trayvon

wasn't arrested. If he had been arrested, he might never have been

prowling around in Sanford after scoring the fixings for a 'Street

Drug' (promethazine/codeine cough syrup, Soda & Skittles) the night of

his fateful encounter with Zimmerman.

In fact, the reason Zimmerman was suspicious of the hooded figure

skulking around the townhouse community the night of the February 2012

shooting was that there had been a rash of burglaries in the

neighborhood since Trayvon had arrived so he called the Police.

As for Chief Hurley's scam, it was the controversy over Trayvon's

death that accidentally exposed it. In March 2012, the Miami Herald

reported on Trayvon's criminal activities at Krop High. Chief Hurley

then launched the Internal Affairs Investigation in an attempt to find

out who had leaked information to reporters. During the course of the

IA Investigation, MDSPD officers and supervisors desclosed Chief

Hurley's policy of covering up Crimes by students. Chief Hurley was

subsequently accused of Sexually Harassing two female subordinates. He

resigned in disgrace in February, about a year after Trayvon Martin's

death.



Hurley was fond of black pussy, see Deanna Fox-Williams, 2nd

from right.



http://theconservativetreehouse.file...m/2012/12/miam

i-dade-schools-police-department.jpg?w=640&h=426



Also, Yewande Gibson.



http://media.nbcmiami.com/images/654...nde-Gibson.jpg







In other words, the boy had a bright future in the Democratic Party

Leadership or as a Reverend in the race-baiting business.



One lesson from this is never to carry a straight-bladed screwdriver

on your person. Another is that we should prepare prisons for half of

the young people in the US (and quite a few older people) because

they've smoked marijuana, and should be treated as criminals.





No, just the slime-balls on drugs that have stolen jewelry on them and

get caught casing YOUR neighborhood.



Aha! So, Zimmerman knew about the jewelry, and that it was stolen,

before he shot Martin? And he was casing the neighborhood -- even

though Martin was headed back to his dad's apartment? Right....



Why didn't he tell the cops? According to the rightard story that's

been floating around here, the cops recognized the jewelry, that it

came from a house burglary, and that Martin had it in his possession,

but they didn't bother to investigate it because they didn't want to

mess up their arrest statistics.



After that fairy tale, I don't believe much of anything said about

this case.







The "innocent little boy" was casing houses in Zimmerman's neighborhood

where Zimmerman was on the neighborhood watch...most likely started due

to Martin's crime spree. I would have had a rifle and shot the

criminal, multiple times from at at least 50 yards after witnessing him

case houses.

And you'd be doing life in prison.



Silenced rifle, sabot round. And, just how would I get arrested?


Sigh..Lefties simply dont think very well about important things do
they? This is..afterall...a metalworking newsgroup composed of some
very smart people (leftwingers excepted of course)

Hell..using a proper very light soft point.... one doesnt even need a
sabot. They tend to blow up nicely when shooting a person with a 40gr
varmint bullet at 4000+ fps. Particularly when you put one into
their melon. Very little left except tiny bits and pieces. And if
they manage to spend weeks putting the pieces together into something
even remotely identifyable..they have to have a firearm to match it
with. So dont shoot too many people and dont become a suspect.

This is a metalworking group..silencers are sooooo easy to build.
Anyone here can wack out one in a couple or 3 hours at most. Not that
Id break the law..no sirree..but others...shrug.


A "Silencer that works on a 4,000 FPS bullet?

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On Thu, 25 Jul 2013 08:52:31 -0700 (PDT), rangerssuck
wrote:

On Thursday, July 25, 2013 9:10:52 AM UTC-4, Tom Gardner wrote:
On 7/24/2013 11:47 PM, rangerssuck wrote:


to Martin's crime spree. I would have had a rifle and shot the
criminal, multiple times from at at least 50 yards after witnessing him
case houses.


And you'd be doing life in prison.



Silenced rifle, sabot round. And, just how would I get arrested?


Simple. You'd come here to brag about the guy you just killed, and the cops would come a knockin'. And they'd go look at your posting history and crank the charges up to first degree murder, as you have just done the premeditation part in public.

Or, even if you didn't come to brag here after the murder, the cops in your neighborhood would come looking for the guy who just today told exactly how he'd go about killing an unarmed stranger. Very dangerous to do your fantasizing in public, Tom.



I'm not sure that will fly. After all a competent defense would only
have to produce a random sampling of Usenet posts to demonstrate that
Internet posts are hardly an example of truth and logic.
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On 7/25/2013 9:24 PM, John B. wrote:
On Thu, 25 Jul 2013 07:33:16 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Thu, 25 Jul 2013 09:10:52 -0400, Tom Gardner Mars@Tacks wrote:

On 7/24/2013 11:47 PM, rangerssuck wrote:
On Wednesday, July 24, 2013 10:18:16 PM UTC-4, Tom Gardner wrote:
On 7/24/2013 3:47 PM, Ed Huntress wrote:

On Wed, 24 Jul 2013 15:06:48 -0400, Tom Gardner Mars@Tacks wrote:



On 7/23/2013 6:41 PM, Ed Huntress wrote:

On Tue, 23 Jul 2013 18:34:58 -0400, Tom Gardner Mars@Tacks wrote:



On 7/23/2013 2:06 PM, Pierre Laporte, Minister of Unemployment and

Assimilation wrote:

In article

Media Madders.Lie wrote:



The shooting of Trayvon might never have happened if school officials

in Miami-Dade County had not instituted a fraudulent policy of

treating Crimes as 'School Disciplinary Infractions'. Revelations that

emerged from an Internal Affairs investigation explain why Martin was

not arrested when caught at school with stolen jewelry and with

marijuana. Instead, the typical gangsta wannabe was just suspended

from school, the last time just days before he was shot while

attacking George Zimmerman.

Trayvon Martin was not from Sanford, the town north of Orlando where

he was shot in 2012 and where a Jury Acquitted Zimmerman of murder

charges. Martin was from Miami Gardens, over 200 miles away, and had

come to Sanford to hang out with one of his babydaddy's 'hoes Brandy

Green at her crib in the community where Zimmerman was in charge of

the Neighborhood Watch. Trayvon was staying with Green after he had

been suspended for the 2nd time in 6 months from Krop High School in

Miami-Dade County, where his daddy, Tracy Martin, and mammy, Sybrina

Fulton, lived.

Both of Trayvon's disciplinary suspensions at Krop High involved

Crimes that should have led to his prosecution. However, Chief Charles

Hurley of the Miami-Dade School Police Department (MDSPD) had

implemented a cover-up policy that reduced the number of Criminal

Reports, manipulating statistics to create the false appearance of a

reduction in crime within his school system. Less than two weeks

before Trayvon's death, the school system commended Chief Hurley for

"decreasing school-related juvenile delinquency by an amazing 60% for

the last six months of 2011." What was actually happening was that

Crimes were not being reported, but instead mischaracterized as

'Disciplinary Infractions'.

After video surveillance cameras caught Trayvon spraying graffiti,

MDSPD Office Darryl Dunn searched his backpack, looking for the

markers he was using. Officer Dunn found 12 pieces of women's jewelry

and a man's watch, along with a heavy flathead screwdriver the officer

described as a "burglary tool." The jewelry and watch, which Martin

claimed he had gotten from a friend he refused to name, matched a

description of items stolen during the October 2011 home robbery of a

house on 204th Terrace, about a half-mile from the school. However,

because of Chief Hurley's scheme "to lower the Arrest Rates," as a

MDSPD sergeant revealed during an internal investigation, the stolen

jewelry in Trayvon's possession was instead only listed as "found

property" and was never reported to Miami-Dade Police who were

investigating the robberies. Similarly, in February 2012 when an MDSPD

officer caught Trayvon with a plastic bag containing marijuana, as

well as a marijuana pipe, this was not treated as a crime, and instead

he was merely suspended from class.

These Crimes should have put Trayvon Martin into the custody of the

Justice System. However, because of Chief Hurley's tricky scheme to

spin the school Crime Statistics - according to sworn testimony,

officers were "basically told to lie and falsify" reports - Trayvon

wasn't arrested. If he had been arrested, he might never have been

prowling around in Sanford after scoring the fixings for a 'Street

Drug' (promethazine/codeine cough syrup, Soda & Skittles) the night of

his fateful encounter with Zimmerman.

In fact, the reason Zimmerman was suspicious of the hooded figure

skulking around the townhouse community the night of the February 2012

shooting was that there had been a rash of burglaries in the

neighborhood since Trayvon had arrived so he called the Police.

As for Chief Hurley's scam, it was the controversy over Trayvon's

death that accidentally exposed it. In March 2012, the Miami Herald

reported on Trayvon's criminal activities at Krop High. Chief Hurley

then launched the Internal Affairs Investigation in an attempt to find

out who had leaked information to reporters. During the course of the

IA Investigation, MDSPD officers and supervisors desclosed Chief

Hurley's policy of covering up Crimes by students. Chief Hurley was

subsequently accused of Sexually Harassing two female subordinates. He

resigned in disgrace in February, about a year after Trayvon Martin's

death.



Hurley was fond of black pussy, see Deanna Fox-Williams, 2nd

from right.



http://theconservativetreehouse.file...m/2012/12/miam

i-dade-schools-police-department.jpg?w=640&h=426



Also, Yewande Gibson.



http://media.nbcmiami.com/images/654...nde-Gibson.jpg







In other words, the boy had a bright future in the Democratic Party

Leadership or as a Reverend in the race-baiting business.



One lesson from this is never to carry a straight-bladed screwdriver

on your person. Another is that we should prepare prisons for half of

the young people in the US (and quite a few older people) because

they've smoked marijuana, and should be treated as criminals.





No, just the slime-balls on drugs that have stolen jewelry on them and

get caught casing YOUR neighborhood.



Aha! So, Zimmerman knew about the jewelry, and that it was stolen,

before he shot Martin? And he was casing the neighborhood -- even

though Martin was headed back to his dad's apartment? Right....



Why didn't he tell the cops? According to the rightard story that's

been floating around here, the cops recognized the jewelry, that it

came from a house burglary, and that Martin had it in his possession,

but they didn't bother to investigate it because they didn't want to

mess up their arrest statistics.



After that fairy tale, I don't believe much of anything said about

this case.







The "innocent little boy" was casing houses in Zimmerman's neighborhood

where Zimmerman was on the neighborhood watch...most likely started due

to Martin's crime spree. I would have had a rifle and shot the

criminal, multiple times from at at least 50 yards after witnessing him

case houses.

And you'd be doing life in prison.



Silenced rifle, sabot round. And, just how would I get arrested?


Sigh..Lefties simply dont think very well about important things do
they? This is..afterall...a metalworking newsgroup composed of some
very smart people (leftwingers excepted of course)

Hell..using a proper very light soft point.... one doesnt even need a
sabot. They tend to blow up nicely when shooting a person with a 40gr
varmint bullet at 4000+ fps. Particularly when you put one into
their melon. Very little left except tiny bits and pieces. And if
they manage to spend weeks putting the pieces together into something
even remotely identifyable..they have to have a firearm to match it
with. So dont shoot too many people and dont become a suspect.

This is a metalworking group..silencers are sooooo easy to build.
Anyone here can wack out one in a couple or 3 hours at most. Not that
Id break the law..no sirree..but others...shrug.


A "Silencer that works on a 4,000 FPS bullet?

--
Cheers,

John B.



Sure, It's the size of a truck muffler though. And, no help for the
"crack".
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On 7/25/2013 6:48 PM, George Plimpton wrote:
On 7/25/2013 3:14 PM, Tom Gardner wrote:
On 7/25/2013 11:52 AM, rangerssuck wrote:
On Thursday, July 25, 2013 9:10:52 AM UTC-4, Tom Gardner wrote:
On 7/24/2013 11:47 PM, rangerssuck wrote:

to Martin's crime spree. I would have had a rifle and shot the
criminal, multiple times from at at least 50 yards after witnessing
him
case houses.

And you'd be doing life in prison.


Silenced rifle, sabot round. And, just how would I get arrested?

Simple. You'd come here to brag about the guy you just killed, and the
cops would come a knockin'. And they'd go look at your posting
history and crank the charges up to first degree murder, as you have
just done the premeditation part in public.

Or, even if you didn't come to brag here after the murder, the cops in
your neighborhood would come looking for the guy who just today told
exactly how he'd go about killing an unarmed stranger. Very dangerous
to do your fantasizing in public, Tom.



You think I'm a one-trick pony?


You're a stupid talentless jackass.


Well thanks, George. High praise, coming from you! OBTW, can you tell
us of all your degrees and patents like I can? Here, I'll leave you
lots of space below. Abbreviate if you must!
























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On 7/25/2013 9:29 PM, John B. wrote:
On Thu, 25 Jul 2013 08:52:31 -0700 (PDT), rangerssuck
wrote:

On Thursday, July 25, 2013 9:10:52 AM UTC-4, Tom Gardner wrote:
On 7/24/2013 11:47 PM, rangerssuck wrote:


to Martin's crime spree. I would have had a rifle and shot the
criminal, multiple times from at at least 50 yards after witnessing him
case houses.


And you'd be doing life in prison.



Silenced rifle, sabot round. And, just how would I get arrested?


Simple. You'd come here to brag about the guy you just killed, and the cops would come a knockin'. And they'd go look at your posting history and crank the charges up to first degree murder, as you have just done the premeditation part in public.

Or, even if you didn't come to brag here after the murder, the cops in your neighborhood would come looking for the guy who just today told exactly how he'd go about killing an unarmed stranger. Very dangerous to do your fantasizing in public, Tom.



I'm not sure that will fly. After all a competent defense would only
have to produce a random sampling of Usenet posts to demonstrate that
Internet posts are hardly an example of truth and logic.
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On 7/25/2013 10:31 PM, Tom Gardner wrote:
On 7/25/2013 6:48 PM, George Plimpton wrote:
On 7/25/2013 3:14 PM, Tom Gardner wrote:
On 7/25/2013 11:52 AM, rangerssuck wrote:
On Thursday, July 25, 2013 9:10:52 AM UTC-4, Tom Gardner wrote:
On 7/24/2013 11:47 PM, rangerssuck wrote:

to Martin's crime spree. I would have had a rifle and shot the
criminal, multiple times from at at least 50 yards after witnessing
him
case houses.

And you'd be doing life in prison.


Silenced rifle, sabot round. And, just how would I get arrested?

Simple. You'd come here to brag about the guy you just killed, and the
cops would come a knockin'. And they'd go look at your posting
history and crank the charges up to first degree murder, as you have
just done the premeditation part in public.

Or, even if you didn't come to brag here after the murder, the cops in
your neighborhood would come looking for the guy who just today told
exactly how he'd go about killing an unarmed stranger. Very dangerous
to do your fantasizing in public, Tom.



You think I'm a one-trick pony?


You're a stupid talentless jackass.


Well thanks, George.


Oh, no thanks needed, talentless tommy. I was just doing my civic duty.

Sorry, jackass - I just don't see talent oozing out your pores:
http://neme-s.org/Oshkosh_2007/Ohio_Brush/DSC02534.JPG
http://neme-s.org/Oshkosh_2007/Ohio_Brush/DSC02543.JPG

I see a fat **** and a talentless jackass.
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On Fri, 26 Jul 2013 01:28:40 -0400, Tom Gardner Mars@Tacks wrote:

On 7/25/2013 9:24 PM, John B. wrote:
On Thu, 25 Jul 2013 07:33:16 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Thu, 25 Jul 2013 09:10:52 -0400, Tom Gardner Mars@Tacks wrote:

On 7/24/2013 11:47 PM, rangerssuck wrote:
On Wednesday, July 24, 2013 10:18:16 PM UTC-4, Tom Gardner wrote:
On 7/24/2013 3:47 PM, Ed Huntress wrote:

On Wed, 24 Jul 2013 15:06:48 -0400, Tom Gardner Mars@Tacks wrote:



On 7/23/2013 6:41 PM, Ed Huntress wrote:

On Tue, 23 Jul 2013 18:34:58 -0400, Tom Gardner Mars@Tacks wrote:



On 7/23/2013 2:06 PM, Pierre Laporte, Minister of Unemployment and

Assimilation wrote:

In article

Media Madders.Lie wrote:



The shooting of Trayvon might never have happened if school officials

in Miami-Dade County had not instituted a fraudulent policy of

treating Crimes as 'School Disciplinary Infractions'. Revelations that

emerged from an Internal Affairs investigation explain why Martin was

not arrested when caught at school with stolen jewelry and with

marijuana. Instead, the typical gangsta wannabe was just suspended

from school, the last time just days before he was shot while

attacking George Zimmerman.

Trayvon Martin was not from Sanford, the town north of Orlando where

he was shot in 2012 and where a Jury Acquitted Zimmerman of murder

charges. Martin was from Miami Gardens, over 200 miles away, and had

come to Sanford to hang out with one of his babydaddy's 'hoes Brandy

Green at her crib in the community where Zimmerman was in charge of

the Neighborhood Watch. Trayvon was staying with Green after he had

been suspended for the 2nd time in 6 months from Krop High School in

Miami-Dade County, where his daddy, Tracy Martin, and mammy, Sybrina

Fulton, lived.

Both of Trayvon's disciplinary suspensions at Krop High involved

Crimes that should have led to his prosecution. However, Chief Charles

Hurley of the Miami-Dade School Police Department (MDSPD) had

implemented a cover-up policy that reduced the number of Criminal

Reports, manipulating statistics to create the false appearance of a

reduction in crime within his school system. Less than two weeks

before Trayvon's death, the school system commended Chief Hurley for

"decreasing school-related juvenile delinquency by an amazing 60% for

the last six months of 2011." What was actually happening was that

Crimes were not being reported, but instead mischaracterized as

'Disciplinary Infractions'.

After video surveillance cameras caught Trayvon spraying graffiti,

MDSPD Office Darryl Dunn searched his backpack, looking for the

markers he was using. Officer Dunn found 12 pieces of women's jewelry

and a man's watch, along with a heavy flathead screwdriver the officer

described as a "burglary tool." The jewelry and watch, which Martin

claimed he had gotten from a friend he refused to name, matched a

description of items stolen during the October 2011 home robbery of a

house on 204th Terrace, about a half-mile from the school. However,

because of Chief Hurley's scheme "to lower the Arrest Rates," as a

MDSPD sergeant revealed during an internal investigation, the stolen

jewelry in Trayvon's possession was instead only listed as "found

property" and was never reported to Miami-Dade Police who were

investigating the robberies. Similarly, in February 2012 when an MDSPD

officer caught Trayvon with a plastic bag containing marijuana, as

well as a marijuana pipe, this was not treated as a crime, and instead

he was merely suspended from class.

These Crimes should have put Trayvon Martin into the custody of the

Justice System. However, because of Chief Hurley's tricky scheme to

spin the school Crime Statistics - according to sworn testimony,

officers were "basically told to lie and falsify" reports - Trayvon

wasn't arrested. If he had been arrested, he might never have been

prowling around in Sanford after scoring the fixings for a 'Street

Drug' (promethazine/codeine cough syrup, Soda & Skittles) the night of

his fateful encounter with Zimmerman.

In fact, the reason Zimmerman was suspicious of the hooded figure

skulking around the townhouse community the night of the February 2012

shooting was that there had been a rash of burglaries in the

neighborhood since Trayvon had arrived so he called the Police.

As for Chief Hurley's scam, it was the controversy over Trayvon's

death that accidentally exposed it. In March 2012, the Miami Herald

reported on Trayvon's criminal activities at Krop High. Chief Hurley

then launched the Internal Affairs Investigation in an attempt to find

out who had leaked information to reporters. During the course of the

IA Investigation, MDSPD officers and supervisors desclosed Chief

Hurley's policy of covering up Crimes by students. Chief Hurley was

subsequently accused of Sexually Harassing two female subordinates. He

resigned in disgrace in February, about a year after Trayvon Martin's

death.



Hurley was fond of black pussy, see Deanna Fox-Williams, 2nd

from right.



http://theconservativetreehouse.file...m/2012/12/miam

i-dade-schools-police-department.jpg?w=640&h=426



Also, Yewande Gibson.



http://media.nbcmiami.com/images/654...nde-Gibson.jpg







In other words, the boy had a bright future in the Democratic Party

Leadership or as a Reverend in the race-baiting business.



One lesson from this is never to carry a straight-bladed screwdriver

on your person. Another is that we should prepare prisons for half of

the young people in the US (and quite a few older people) because

they've smoked marijuana, and should be treated as criminals.





No, just the slime-balls on drugs that have stolen jewelry on them and

get caught casing YOUR neighborhood.



Aha! So, Zimmerman knew about the jewelry, and that it was stolen,

before he shot Martin? And he was casing the neighborhood -- even

though Martin was headed back to his dad's apartment? Right....



Why didn't he tell the cops? According to the rightard story that's

been floating around here, the cops recognized the jewelry, that it

came from a house burglary, and that Martin had it in his possession,

but they didn't bother to investigate it because they didn't want to

mess up their arrest statistics.



After that fairy tale, I don't believe much of anything said about

this case.







The "innocent little boy" was casing houses in Zimmerman's neighborhood

where Zimmerman was on the neighborhood watch...most likely started due

to Martin's crime spree. I would have had a rifle and shot the

criminal, multiple times from at at least 50 yards after witnessing him

case houses.

And you'd be doing life in prison.



Silenced rifle, sabot round. And, just how would I get arrested?

Sigh..Lefties simply dont think very well about important things do
they? This is..afterall...a metalworking newsgroup composed of some
very smart people (leftwingers excepted of course)

Hell..using a proper very light soft point.... one doesnt even need a
sabot. They tend to blow up nicely when shooting a person with a 40gr
varmint bullet at 4000+ fps. Particularly when you put one into
their melon. Very little left except tiny bits and pieces. And if
they manage to spend weeks putting the pieces together into something
even remotely identifyable..they have to have a firearm to match it
with. So dont shoot too many people and dont become a suspect.

This is a metalworking group..silencers are sooooo easy to build.
Anyone here can wack out one in a couple or 3 hours at most. Not that
Id break the law..no sirree..but others...shrug.


A "Silencer that works on a 4,000 FPS bullet?

--
Cheers,

John B.



Sure, It's the size of a truck muffler though. And, no help for the
"crack".


I was talking about the "bullet" :-)
--
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On 7/26/2013 8:10 AM, John B. wrote:
On Fri, 26 Jul 2013 01:28:40 -0400, Tom Gardner Mars@Tacks wrote:

On 7/25/2013 9:24 PM, John B. wrote:
On Thu, 25 Jul 2013 07:33:16 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Thu, 25 Jul 2013 09:10:52 -0400, Tom Gardner Mars@Tacks wrote:

On 7/24/2013 11:47 PM, rangerssuck wrote:
On Wednesday, July 24, 2013 10:18:16 PM UTC-4, Tom Gardner wrote:
On 7/24/2013 3:47 PM, Ed Huntress wrote:

On Wed, 24 Jul 2013 15:06:48 -0400, Tom Gardner Mars@Tacks wrote:



On 7/23/2013 6:41 PM, Ed Huntress wrote:

On Tue, 23 Jul 2013 18:34:58 -0400, Tom Gardner Mars@Tacks wrote:



On 7/23/2013 2:06 PM, Pierre Laporte, Minister of Unemployment and

Assimilation wrote:

In article

Media Madders.Lie wrote:



The shooting of Trayvon might never have happened if school officials

in Miami-Dade County had not instituted a fraudulent policy of

treating Crimes as 'School Disciplinary Infractions'. Revelations that

emerged from an Internal Affairs investigation explain why Martin was

not arrested when caught at school with stolen jewelry and with

marijuana. Instead, the typical gangsta wannabe was just suspended

from school, the last time just days before he was shot while

attacking George Zimmerman.

Trayvon Martin was not from Sanford, the town north of Orlando where

he was shot in 2012 and where a Jury Acquitted Zimmerman of murder

charges. Martin was from Miami Gardens, over 200 miles away, and had

come to Sanford to hang out with one of his babydaddy's 'hoes Brandy

Green at her crib in the community where Zimmerman was in charge of

the Neighborhood Watch. Trayvon was staying with Green after he had

been suspended for the 2nd time in 6 months from Krop High School in

Miami-Dade County, where his daddy, Tracy Martin, and mammy, Sybrina

Fulton, lived.

Both of Trayvon's disciplinary suspensions at Krop High involved

Crimes that should have led to his prosecution. However, Chief Charles

Hurley of the Miami-Dade School Police Department (MDSPD) had

implemented a cover-up policy that reduced the number of Criminal

Reports, manipulating statistics to create the false appearance of a

reduction in crime within his school system. Less than two weeks

before Trayvon's death, the school system commended Chief Hurley for

"decreasing school-related juvenile delinquency by an amazing 60% for

the last six months of 2011." What was actually happening was that

Crimes were not being reported, but instead mischaracterized as

'Disciplinary Infractions'.

After video surveillance cameras caught Trayvon spraying graffiti,

MDSPD Office Darryl Dunn searched his backpack, looking for the

markers he was using. Officer Dunn found 12 pieces of women's jewelry

and a man's watch, along with a heavy flathead screwdriver the officer

described as a "burglary tool." The jewelry and watch, which Martin

claimed he had gotten from a friend he refused to name, matched a

description of items stolen during the October 2011 home robbery of a

house on 204th Terrace, about a half-mile from the school. However,

because of Chief Hurley's scheme "to lower the Arrest Rates," as a

MDSPD sergeant revealed during an internal investigation, the stolen

jewelry in Trayvon's possession was instead only listed as "found

property" and was never reported to Miami-Dade Police who were

investigating the robberies. Similarly, in February 2012 when an MDSPD

officer caught Trayvon with a plastic bag containing marijuana, as

well as a marijuana pipe, this was not treated as a crime, and instead

he was merely suspended from class.

These Crimes should have put Trayvon Martin into the custody of the

Justice System. However, because of Chief Hurley's tricky scheme to

spin the school Crime Statistics - according to sworn testimony,

officers were "basically told to lie and falsify" reports - Trayvon

wasn't arrested. If he had been arrested, he might never have been

prowling around in Sanford after scoring the fixings for a 'Street

Drug' (promethazine/codeine cough syrup, Soda & Skittles) the night of

his fateful encounter with Zimmerman.

In fact, the reason Zimmerman was suspicious of the hooded figure

skulking around the townhouse community the night of the February 2012

shooting was that there had been a rash of burglaries in the

neighborhood since Trayvon had arrived so he called the Police.

As for Chief Hurley's scam, it was the controversy over Trayvon's

death that accidentally exposed it. In March 2012, the Miami Herald

reported on Trayvon's criminal activities at Krop High. Chief Hurley

then launched the Internal Affairs Investigation in an attempt to find

out who had leaked information to reporters. During the course of the

IA Investigation, MDSPD officers and supervisors desclosed Chief

Hurley's policy of covering up Crimes by students. Chief Hurley was

subsequently accused of Sexually Harassing two female subordinates. He

resigned in disgrace in February, about a year after Trayvon Martin's

death.



Hurley was fond of black pussy, see Deanna Fox-Williams, 2nd

from right.



http://theconservativetreehouse.file...m/2012/12/miam

i-dade-schools-police-department.jpg?w=640&h=426



Also, Yewande Gibson.



http://media.nbcmiami.com/images/654...nde-Gibson.jpg







In other words, the boy had a bright future in the Democratic Party

Leadership or as a Reverend in the race-baiting business.



One lesson from this is never to carry a straight-bladed screwdriver

on your person. Another is that we should prepare prisons for half of

the young people in the US (and quite a few older people) because

they've smoked marijuana, and should be treated as criminals.





No, just the slime-balls on drugs that have stolen jewelry on them and

get caught casing YOUR neighborhood.



Aha! So, Zimmerman knew about the jewelry, and that it was stolen,

before he shot Martin? And he was casing the neighborhood -- even

though Martin was headed back to his dad's apartment? Right....



Why didn't he tell the cops? According to the rightard story that's

been floating around here, the cops recognized the jewelry, that it

came from a house burglary, and that Martin had it in his possession,

but they didn't bother to investigate it because they didn't want to

mess up their arrest statistics.



After that fairy tale, I don't believe much of anything said about

this case.







The "innocent little boy" was casing houses in Zimmerman's neighborhood

where Zimmerman was on the neighborhood watch...most likely started due

to Martin's crime spree. I would have had a rifle and shot the

criminal, multiple times from at at least 50 yards after witnessing him

case houses.

And you'd be doing life in prison.



Silenced rifle, sabot round. And, just how would I get arrested?

Sigh..Lefties simply dont think very well about important things do
they? This is..afterall...a metalworking newsgroup composed of some
very smart people (leftwingers excepted of course)

Hell..using a proper very light soft point.... one doesnt even need a
sabot. They tend to blow up nicely when shooting a person with a 40gr
varmint bullet at 4000+ fps. Particularly when you put one into
their melon. Very little left except tiny bits and pieces. And if
they manage to spend weeks putting the pieces together into something
even remotely identifyable..they have to have a firearm to match it
with. So dont shoot too many people and dont become a suspect.

This is a metalworking group..silencers are sooooo easy to build.
Anyone here can wack out one in a couple or 3 hours at most. Not that
Id break the law..no sirree..but others...shrug.


A "Silencer that works on a 4,000 FPS bullet?

--
Cheers,

John B.



Sure, It's the size of a truck muffler though. And, no help for the
"crack".


I was talking about the "bullet" :-)
--
Cheers,

John B.



I don't know if there is a way to modify a sonic boom.
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Georgie,
Where are all your degrees?

Where are all your patents? I thought not!

Have you EVER accomplished anything? I thought not!

Have you ever had an original thought? I thought not!

Face it, you are a total failure and will die as a total waste!

Come now, get all fired up and spit out another hissy-fit insult while
you wipe the tears from your eyes. It's so sad that Usenet is the
closest thing you have to human interaction...and everybody has plonked
you. Gee, it sucks to be you! The drugs have taken their toll on you,
poor boy!



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On Fri, 26 Jul 2013 18:17:23 -0400, Tom Gardner Mars@Tacks wrote:

On 7/26/2013 8:10 AM, John B. wrote:
On Fri, 26 Jul 2013 01:28:40 -0400, Tom Gardner Mars@Tacks wrote:

On 7/25/2013 9:24 PM, John B. wrote:
On Thu, 25 Jul 2013 07:33:16 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Thu, 25 Jul 2013 09:10:52 -0400, Tom Gardner Mars@Tacks wrote:

On 7/24/2013 11:47 PM, rangerssuck wrote:
On Wednesday, July 24, 2013 10:18:16 PM UTC-4, Tom Gardner wrote:
On 7/24/2013 3:47 PM, Ed Huntress wrote:

On Wed, 24 Jul 2013 15:06:48 -0400, Tom Gardner Mars@Tacks wrote:



On 7/23/2013 6:41 PM, Ed Huntress wrote:

On Tue, 23 Jul 2013 18:34:58 -0400, Tom Gardner Mars@Tacks wrote:



On 7/23/2013 2:06 PM, Pierre Laporte, Minister of Unemployment and

Assimilation wrote:

In article

Media Madders.Lie wrote:



The shooting of Trayvon might never have happened if school officials

in Miami-Dade County had not instituted a fraudulent policy of

treating Crimes as 'School Disciplinary Infractions'. Revelations that

emerged from an Internal Affairs investigation explain why Martin was

not arrested when caught at school with stolen jewelry and with

marijuana. Instead, the typical gangsta wannabe was just suspended

from school, the last time just days before he was shot while

attacking George Zimmerman.

Trayvon Martin was not from Sanford, the town north of Orlando where

he was shot in 2012 and where a Jury Acquitted Zimmerman of murder

charges. Martin was from Miami Gardens, over 200 miles away, and had

come to Sanford to hang out with one of his babydaddy's 'hoes Brandy

Green at her crib in the community where Zimmerman was in charge of

the Neighborhood Watch. Trayvon was staying with Green after he had

been suspended for the 2nd time in 6 months from Krop High School in

Miami-Dade County, where his daddy, Tracy Martin, and mammy, Sybrina

Fulton, lived.

Both of Trayvon's disciplinary suspensions at Krop High involved

Crimes that should have led to his prosecution. However, Chief Charles

Hurley of the Miami-Dade School Police Department (MDSPD) had

implemented a cover-up policy that reduced the number of Criminal

Reports, manipulating statistics to create the false appearance of a

reduction in crime within his school system. Less than two weeks

before Trayvon's death, the school system commended Chief Hurley for

"decreasing school-related juvenile delinquency by an amazing 60% for

the last six months of 2011." What was actually happening was that

Crimes were not being reported, but instead mischaracterized as

'Disciplinary Infractions'.

After video surveillance cameras caught Trayvon spraying graffiti,

MDSPD Office Darryl Dunn searched his backpack, looking for the

markers he was using. Officer Dunn found 12 pieces of women's jewelry

and a man's watch, along with a heavy flathead screwdriver the officer

described as a "burglary tool." The jewelry and watch, which Martin

claimed he had gotten from a friend he refused to name, matched a

description of items stolen during the October 2011 home robbery of a

house on 204th Terrace, about a half-mile from the school. However,

because of Chief Hurley's scheme "to lower the Arrest Rates," as a

MDSPD sergeant revealed during an internal investigation, the stolen

jewelry in Trayvon's possession was instead only listed as "found

property" and was never reported to Miami-Dade Police who were

investigating the robberies. Similarly, in February 2012 when an MDSPD

officer caught Trayvon with a plastic bag containing marijuana, as

well as a marijuana pipe, this was not treated as a crime, and instead

he was merely suspended from class.

These Crimes should have put Trayvon Martin into the custody of the

Justice System. However, because of Chief Hurley's tricky scheme to

spin the school Crime Statistics - according to sworn testimony,

officers were "basically told to lie and falsify" reports - Trayvon

wasn't arrested. If he had been arrested, he might never have been

prowling around in Sanford after scoring the fixings for a 'Street

Drug' (promethazine/codeine cough syrup, Soda & Skittles) the night of

his fateful encounter with Zimmerman.

In fact, the reason Zimmerman was suspicious of the hooded figure

skulking around the townhouse community the night of the February 2012

shooting was that there had been a rash of burglaries in the

neighborhood since Trayvon had arrived so he called the Police.

As for Chief Hurley's scam, it was the controversy over Trayvon's

death that accidentally exposed it. In March 2012, the Miami Herald

reported on Trayvon's criminal activities at Krop High. Chief Hurley

then launched the Internal Affairs Investigation in an attempt to find

out who had leaked information to reporters. During the course of the

IA Investigation, MDSPD officers and supervisors desclosed Chief

Hurley's policy of covering up Crimes by students. Chief Hurley was

subsequently accused of Sexually Harassing two female subordinates. He

resigned in disgrace in February, about a year after Trayvon Martin's

death.



Hurley was fond of black pussy, see Deanna Fox-Williams, 2nd

from right.



http://theconservativetreehouse.file...m/2012/12/miam

i-dade-schools-police-department.jpg?w=640&h=426



Also, Yewande Gibson.



http://media.nbcmiami.com/images/654...nde-Gibson.jpg







In other words, the boy had a bright future in the Democratic Party

Leadership or as a Reverend in the race-baiting business.



One lesson from this is never to carry a straight-bladed screwdriver

on your person. Another is that we should prepare prisons for half of

the young people in the US (and quite a few older people) because

they've smoked marijuana, and should be treated as criminals.





No, just the slime-balls on drugs that have stolen jewelry on them and

get caught casing YOUR neighborhood.



Aha! So, Zimmerman knew about the jewelry, and that it was stolen,

before he shot Martin? And he was casing the neighborhood -- even

though Martin was headed back to his dad's apartment? Right....



Why didn't he tell the cops? According to the rightard story that's

been floating around here, the cops recognized the jewelry, that it

came from a house burglary, and that Martin had it in his possession,

but they didn't bother to investigate it because they didn't want to

mess up their arrest statistics.



After that fairy tale, I don't believe much of anything said about

this case.







The "innocent little boy" was casing houses in Zimmerman's neighborhood

where Zimmerman was on the neighborhood watch...most likely started due

to Martin's crime spree. I would have had a rifle and shot the

criminal, multiple times from at at least 50 yards after witnessing him

case houses.

And you'd be doing life in prison.



Silenced rifle, sabot round. And, just how would I get arrested?

Sigh..Lefties simply dont think very well about important things do
they? This is..afterall...a metalworking newsgroup composed of some
very smart people (leftwingers excepted of course)

Hell..using a proper very light soft point.... one doesnt even need a
sabot. They tend to blow up nicely when shooting a person with a 40gr
varmint bullet at 4000+ fps. Particularly when you put one into
their melon. Very little left except tiny bits and pieces. And if
they manage to spend weeks putting the pieces together into something
even remotely identifyable..they have to have a firearm to match it
with. So dont shoot too many people and dont become a suspect.

This is a metalworking group..silencers are sooooo easy to build.
Anyone here can wack out one in a couple or 3 hours at most. Not that
Id break the law..no sirree..but others...shrug.


A "Silencer that works on a 4,000 FPS bullet?

--
Cheers,

John B.



Sure, It's the size of a truck muffler though. And, no help for the
"crack".


I was talking about the "bullet" :-)
--
Cheers,

John B.



I don't know if there is a way to modify a sonic boom.


The rifle suppressors that special forces and some snipers used on
M16s in 'Nam were intended NOT to suppress the "crack," but to make it
very difficult to tell where the shot came from.

The "crack" is projected along the bullet's path as long as the bullet
is supersonic. If there's no muzzle blast, the sound appears to be
coming from a broad area.

The "boom" can be suppressed, and it's the boom that appears to come
from a point source.

My cousin, a Marine sniper in 'Nam (actually, in Laos) used one, along
with a Remington 700 bolt-action in 7.62 NATO.

--
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Georgie,
Where are all your degrees?


tommy boy: you run (into the ground) a ****ty business that you did not
found, but instead inherited from your long-suffering parents. You are
a zero achiever. Apparently some other talentless right-wing
knuckle-draggers around her like you despite that.

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On Fri, 26 Jul 2013 18:46:59 -0400, Ed Huntress
wrote:

On Fri, 26 Jul 2013 18:17:23 -0400, Tom Gardner Mars@Tacks wrote:

On 7/26/2013 8:10 AM, John B. wrote:
On Fri, 26 Jul 2013 01:28:40 -0400, Tom Gardner Mars@Tacks wrote:

On 7/25/2013 9:24 PM, John B. wrote:
On Thu, 25 Jul 2013 07:33:16 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Thu, 25 Jul 2013 09:10:52 -0400, Tom Gardner Mars@Tacks wrote:

On 7/24/2013 11:47 PM, rangerssuck wrote:
On Wednesday, July 24, 2013 10:18:16 PM UTC-4, Tom Gardner wrote:
On 7/24/2013 3:47 PM, Ed Huntress wrote:

On Wed, 24 Jul 2013 15:06:48 -0400, Tom Gardner Mars@Tacks wrote:



On 7/23/2013 6:41 PM, Ed Huntress wrote:

On Tue, 23 Jul 2013 18:34:58 -0400, Tom Gardner Mars@Tacks wrote:



On 7/23/2013 2:06 PM, Pierre Laporte, Minister of Unemployment and

Assimilation wrote:

In article

Media Madders.Lie wrote:



The shooting of Trayvon might never have happened if school officials

in Miami-Dade County had not instituted a fraudulent policy of

treating Crimes as 'School Disciplinary Infractions'. Revelations that

emerged from an Internal Affairs investigation explain why Martin was

not arrested when caught at school with stolen jewelry and with

marijuana. Instead, the typical gangsta wannabe was just suspended

from school, the last time just days before he was shot while

attacking George Zimmerman.

Trayvon Martin was not from Sanford, the town north of Orlando where

he was shot in 2012 and where a Jury Acquitted Zimmerman of murder

charges. Martin was from Miami Gardens, over 200 miles away, and had

come to Sanford to hang out with one of his babydaddy's 'hoes Brandy

Green at her crib in the community where Zimmerman was in charge of

the Neighborhood Watch. Trayvon was staying with Green after he had

been suspended for the 2nd time in 6 months from Krop High School in

Miami-Dade County, where his daddy, Tracy Martin, and mammy, Sybrina

Fulton, lived.

Both of Trayvon's disciplinary suspensions at Krop High involved

Crimes that should have led to his prosecution. However, Chief Charles

Hurley of the Miami-Dade School Police Department (MDSPD) had

implemented a cover-up policy that reduced the number of Criminal

Reports, manipulating statistics to create the false appearance of a

reduction in crime within his school system. Less than two weeks

before Trayvon's death, the school system commended Chief Hurley for

"decreasing school-related juvenile delinquency by an amazing 60% for

the last six months of 2011." What was actually happening was that

Crimes were not being reported, but instead mischaracterized as

'Disciplinary Infractions'.

After video surveillance cameras caught Trayvon spraying graffiti,

MDSPD Office Darryl Dunn searched his backpack, looking for the

markers he was using. Officer Dunn found 12 pieces of women's jewelry

and a man's watch, along with a heavy flathead screwdriver the officer

described as a "burglary tool." The jewelry and watch, which Martin

claimed he had gotten from a friend he refused to name, matched a

description of items stolen during the October 2011 home robbery of a

house on 204th Terrace, about a half-mile from the school. However,

because of Chief Hurley's scheme "to lower the Arrest Rates," as a

MDSPD sergeant revealed during an internal investigation, the stolen

jewelry in Trayvon's possession was instead only listed as "found

property" and was never reported to Miami-Dade Police who were

investigating the robberies. Similarly, in February 2012 when an MDSPD

officer caught Trayvon with a plastic bag containing marijuana, as

well as a marijuana pipe, this was not treated as a crime, and instead

he was merely suspended from class.

These Crimes should have put Trayvon Martin into the custody of the

Justice System. However, because of Chief Hurley's tricky scheme to

spin the school Crime Statistics - according to sworn testimony,

officers were "basically told to lie and falsify" reports - Trayvon

wasn't arrested. If he had been arrested, he might never have been

prowling around in Sanford after scoring the fixings for a 'Street

Drug' (promethazine/codeine cough syrup, Soda & Skittles) the night of

his fateful encounter with Zimmerman.

In fact, the reason Zimmerman was suspicious of the hooded figure

skulking around the townhouse community the night of the February 2012

shooting was that there had been a rash of burglaries in the

neighborhood since Trayvon had arrived so he called the Police.

As for Chief Hurley's scam, it was the controversy over Trayvon's

death that accidentally exposed it. In March 2012, the Miami Herald

reported on Trayvon's criminal activities at Krop High. Chief Hurley

then launched the Internal Affairs Investigation in an attempt to find

out who had leaked information to reporters. During the course of the

IA Investigation, MDSPD officers and supervisors desclosed Chief

Hurley's policy of covering up Crimes by students. Chief Hurley was

subsequently accused of Sexually Harassing two female subordinates. He

resigned in disgrace in February, about a year after Trayvon Martin's

death.



Hurley was fond of black pussy, see Deanna Fox-Williams, 2nd

from right.



http://theconservativetreehouse.file...m/2012/12/miam

i-dade-schools-police-department.jpg?w=640&h=426



Also, Yewande Gibson.



http://media.nbcmiami.com/images/654...nde-Gibson.jpg







In other words, the boy had a bright future in the Democratic Party

Leadership or as a Reverend in the race-baiting business.



One lesson from this is never to carry a straight-bladed screwdriver

on your person. Another is that we should prepare prisons for half of

the young people in the US (and quite a few older people) because

they've smoked marijuana, and should be treated as criminals.





No, just the slime-balls on drugs that have stolen jewelry on them and

get caught casing YOUR neighborhood.



Aha! So, Zimmerman knew about the jewelry, and that it was stolen,

before he shot Martin? And he was casing the neighborhood -- even

though Martin was headed back to his dad's apartment? Right....



Why didn't he tell the cops? According to the rightard story that's

been floating around here, the cops recognized the jewelry, that it

came from a house burglary, and that Martin had it in his possession,

but they didn't bother to investigate it because they didn't want to

mess up their arrest statistics.



After that fairy tale, I don't believe much of anything said about

this case.







The "innocent little boy" was casing houses in Zimmerman's neighborhood

where Zimmerman was on the neighborhood watch...most likely started due

to Martin's crime spree. I would have had a rifle and shot the

criminal, multiple times from at at least 50 yards after witnessing him

case houses.

And you'd be doing life in prison.



Silenced rifle, sabot round. And, just how would I get arrested?

Sigh..Lefties simply dont think very well about important things do
they? This is..afterall...a metalworking newsgroup composed of some
very smart people (leftwingers excepted of course)

Hell..using a proper very light soft point.... one doesnt even need a
sabot. They tend to blow up nicely when shooting a person with a 40gr
varmint bullet at 4000+ fps. Particularly when you put one into
their melon. Very little left except tiny bits and pieces. And if
they manage to spend weeks putting the pieces together into something
even remotely identifyable..they have to have a firearm to match it
with. So dont shoot too many people and dont become a suspect.

This is a metalworking group..silencers are sooooo easy to build.
Anyone here can wack out one in a couple or 3 hours at most. Not that
Id break the law..no sirree..but others...shrug.


A "Silencer that works on a 4,000 FPS bullet?

--
Cheers,

John B.



Sure, It's the size of a truck muffler though. And, no help for the
"crack".

I was talking about the "bullet" :-)
--
Cheers,

John B.



I don't know if there is a way to modify a sonic boom.


The rifle suppressors that special forces and some snipers used on
M16s in 'Nam were intended NOT to suppress the "crack," but to make it
very difficult to tell where the shot came from.

The "crack" is projected along the bullet's path as long as the bullet
is supersonic. If there's no muzzle blast, the sound appears to be
coming from a broad area.

Well to eliminate the crack (sonic boom) I suppose that the suppressor
could reach all the way to the target Or at least reach far enough
that the bullet had slowed to a sub-sonic speed :-)

The "boom" can be suppressed, and it's the boom that appears to come
from a point source.

My cousin, a Marine sniper in 'Nam (actually, in Laos) used one, along
with a Remington 700 bolt-action in 7.62 NATO.

--
Cheers,

John B.
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On 7/26/2013 8:56 PM, John B. wrote:
On Fri, 26 Jul 2013 18:46:59 -0400, Ed Huntress
wrote:

On Fri, 26 Jul 2013 18:17:23 -0400, Tom Gardner Mars@Tacks wrote:

On 7/26/2013 8:10 AM, John B. wrote:
On Fri, 26 Jul 2013 01:28:40 -0400, Tom Gardner Mars@Tacks wrote:

On 7/25/2013 9:24 PM, John B. wrote:
On Thu, 25 Jul 2013 07:33:16 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Thu, 25 Jul 2013 09:10:52 -0400, Tom Gardner Mars@Tacks wrote:

On 7/24/2013 11:47 PM, rangerssuck wrote:
On Wednesday, July 24, 2013 10:18:16 PM UTC-4, Tom Gardner wrote:
On 7/24/2013 3:47 PM, Ed Huntress wrote:

On Wed, 24 Jul 2013 15:06:48 -0400, Tom Gardner Mars@Tacks wrote:



On 7/23/2013 6:41 PM, Ed Huntress wrote:

On Tue, 23 Jul 2013 18:34:58 -0400, Tom Gardner Mars@Tacks wrote:



On 7/23/2013 2:06 PM, Pierre Laporte, Minister of Unemployment and

Assimilation wrote:

In article

Media Madders.Lie wrote:



The shooting of Trayvon might never have happened if school officials

in Miami-Dade County had not instituted a fraudulent policy of

treating Crimes as 'School Disciplinary Infractions'. Revelations that

emerged from an Internal Affairs investigation explain why Martin was

not arrested when caught at school with stolen jewelry and with

marijuana. Instead, the typical gangsta wannabe was just suspended

from school, the last time just days before he was shot while

attacking George Zimmerman.

Trayvon Martin was not from Sanford, the town north of Orlando where

he was shot in 2012 and where a Jury Acquitted Zimmerman of murder

charges. Martin was from Miami Gardens, over 200 miles away, and had

come to Sanford to hang out with one of his babydaddy's 'hoes Brandy

Green at her crib in the community where Zimmerman was in charge of

the Neighborhood Watch. Trayvon was staying with Green after he had

been suspended for the 2nd time in 6 months from Krop High School in

Miami-Dade County, where his daddy, Tracy Martin, and mammy, Sybrina

Fulton, lived.

Both of Trayvon's disciplinary suspensions at Krop High involved

Crimes that should have led to his prosecution. However, Chief Charles

Hurley of the Miami-Dade School Police Department (MDSPD) had

implemented a cover-up policy that reduced the number of Criminal

Reports, manipulating statistics to create the false appearance of a

reduction in crime within his school system. Less than two weeks

before Trayvon's death, the school system commended Chief Hurley for

"decreasing school-related juvenile delinquency by an amazing 60% for

the last six months of 2011." What was actually happening was that

Crimes were not being reported, but instead mischaracterized as

'Disciplinary Infractions'.

After video surveillance cameras caught Trayvon spraying graffiti,

MDSPD Office Darryl Dunn searched his backpack, looking for the

markers he was using. Officer Dunn found 12 pieces of women's jewelry

and a man's watch, along with a heavy flathead screwdriver the officer

described as a "burglary tool." The jewelry and watch, which Martin

claimed he had gotten from a friend he refused to name, matched a

description of items stolen during the October 2011 home robbery of a

house on 204th Terrace, about a half-mile from the school. However,

because of Chief Hurley's scheme "to lower the Arrest Rates," as a

MDSPD sergeant revealed during an internal investigation, the stolen

jewelry in Trayvon's possession was instead only listed as "found

property" and was never reported to Miami-Dade Police who were

investigating the robberies. Similarly, in February 2012 when an MDSPD

officer caught Trayvon with a plastic bag containing marijuana, as

well as a marijuana pipe, this was not treated as a crime, and instead

he was merely suspended from class.

These Crimes should have put Trayvon Martin into the custody of the

Justice System. However, because of Chief Hurley's tricky scheme to

spin the school Crime Statistics - according to sworn testimony,

officers were "basically told to lie and falsify" reports - Trayvon

wasn't arrested. If he had been arrested, he might never have been

prowling around in Sanford after scoring the fixings for a 'Street

Drug' (promethazine/codeine cough syrup, Soda & Skittles) the night of

his fateful encounter with Zimmerman.

In fact, the reason Zimmerman was suspicious of the hooded figure

skulking around the townhouse community the night of the February 2012

shooting was that there had been a rash of burglaries in the

neighborhood since Trayvon had arrived so he called the Police.

As for Chief Hurley's scam, it was the controversy over Trayvon's

death that accidentally exposed it. In March 2012, the Miami Herald

reported on Trayvon's criminal activities at Krop High. Chief Hurley

then launched the Internal Affairs Investigation in an attempt to find

out who had leaked information to reporters. During the course of the

IA Investigation, MDSPD officers and supervisors desclosed Chief

Hurley's policy of covering up Crimes by students. Chief Hurley was

subsequently accused of Sexually Harassing two female subordinates. He

resigned in disgrace in February, about a year after Trayvon Martin's

death.



Hurley was fond of black pussy, see Deanna Fox-Williams, 2nd

from right.



http://theconservativetreehouse.file...m/2012/12/miam

i-dade-schools-police-department.jpg?w=640&h=426



Also, Yewande Gibson.



http://media.nbcmiami.com/images/654...nde-Gibson.jpg







In other words, the boy had a bright future in the Democratic Party

Leadership or as a Reverend in the race-baiting business.



One lesson from this is never to carry a straight-bladed screwdriver

on your person. Another is that we should prepare prisons for half of

the young people in the US (and quite a few older people) because

they've smoked marijuana, and should be treated as criminals.





No, just the slime-balls on drugs that have stolen jewelry on them and

get caught casing YOUR neighborhood.



Aha! So, Zimmerman knew about the jewelry, and that it was stolen,

before he shot Martin? And he was casing the neighborhood -- even

though Martin was headed back to his dad's apartment? Right....



Why didn't he tell the cops? According to the rightard story that's

been floating around here, the cops recognized the jewelry, that it

came from a house burglary, and that Martin had it in his possession,

but they didn't bother to investigate it because they didn't want to

mess up their arrest statistics.



After that fairy tale, I don't believe much of anything said about

this case.







The "innocent little boy" was casing houses in Zimmerman's neighborhood

where Zimmerman was on the neighborhood watch...most likely started due

to Martin's crime spree. I would have had a rifle and shot the

criminal, multiple times from at at least 50 yards after witnessing him

case houses.

And you'd be doing life in prison.



Silenced rifle, sabot round. And, just how would I get arrested?

Sigh..Lefties simply dont think very well about important things do
they? This is..afterall...a metalworking newsgroup composed of some
very smart people (leftwingers excepted of course)

Hell..using a proper very light soft point.... one doesnt even need a
sabot. They tend to blow up nicely when shooting a person with a 40gr
varmint bullet at 4000+ fps. Particularly when you put one into
their melon. Very little left except tiny bits and pieces. And if
they manage to spend weeks putting the pieces together into something
even remotely identifyable..they have to have a firearm to match it
with. So dont shoot too many people and dont become a suspect.

This is a metalworking group..silencers are sooooo easy to build.
Anyone here can wack out one in a couple or 3 hours at most. Not that
Id break the law..no sirree..but others...shrug.


A "Silencer that works on a 4,000 FPS bullet?

--
Cheers,

John B.



Sure, It's the size of a truck muffler though. And, no help for the
"crack".

I was talking about the "bullet" :-)
--
Cheers,

John B.



I don't know if there is a way to modify a sonic boom.


The rifle suppressors that special forces and some snipers used on
M16s in 'Nam were intended NOT to suppress the "crack," but to make it
very difficult to tell where the shot came from.

The "crack" is projected along the bullet's path as long as the bullet
is supersonic. If there's no muzzle blast, the sound appears to be
coming from a broad area.

Well to eliminate the crack (sonic boom) I suppose that the suppressor
could reach all the way to the target Or at least reach far enough
that the bullet had slowed to a sub-sonic speed :-)

The "boom" can be suppressed, and it's the boom that appears to come
from a point source.

My cousin, a Marine sniper in 'Nam (actually, in Laos) used one, along
with a Remington 700 bolt-action in 7.62 NATO.

--
Cheers,

John B.


E=MxV so, a heavy mass moving slower can impart the same or more energy.
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On 7/26/2013 6:55 PM, George Plimpton wrote:
On 7/26/2013 3:34 PM, Tom Gardner wrote:

Georgie,
Where are all your degrees?


tommy boy: you run (into the ground) a ****ty business that you did not
found, but instead inherited from your long-suffering parents. You are
a zero achiever. Apparently some other talentless right-wing
knuckle-draggers around her like you despite that.



Yep, going out of business...for 22 years now. I know you failed in
everything you ever did a WHOLE lot faster, usually instantly. Sucks to
be you, conniption-Boy. Time to change your nym...again.

(you should learn English, at least to the 6th grade level...if you
still can, after all those drugs.)


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On Fri, 26 Jul 2013 21:08:51 -0400, Tom Gardner Mars@Tacks wrote:

On 7/26/2013 8:56 PM, John B. wrote:
On Fri, 26 Jul 2013 18:46:59 -0400, Ed Huntress
wrote:

On Fri, 26 Jul 2013 18:17:23 -0400, Tom Gardner Mars@Tacks wrote:

On 7/26/2013 8:10 AM, John B. wrote:
On Fri, 26 Jul 2013 01:28:40 -0400, Tom Gardner Mars@Tacks wrote:

On 7/25/2013 9:24 PM, John B. wrote:
On Thu, 25 Jul 2013 07:33:16 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Thu, 25 Jul 2013 09:10:52 -0400, Tom Gardner Mars@Tacks wrote:

On 7/24/2013 11:47 PM, rangerssuck wrote:
On Wednesday, July 24, 2013 10:18:16 PM UTC-4, Tom Gardner wrote:
On 7/24/2013 3:47 PM, Ed Huntress wrote:

On Wed, 24 Jul 2013 15:06:48 -0400, Tom Gardner Mars@Tacks wrote:



On 7/23/2013 6:41 PM, Ed Huntress wrote:

On Tue, 23 Jul 2013 18:34:58 -0400, Tom Gardner Mars@Tacks wrote:



On 7/23/2013 2:06 PM, Pierre Laporte, Minister of Unemployment and

Assimilation wrote:

In article

Media Madders.Lie wrote:



The shooting of Trayvon might never have happened if school officials

in Miami-Dade County had not instituted a fraudulent policy of

treating Crimes as 'School Disciplinary Infractions'. Revelations that

emerged from an Internal Affairs investigation explain why Martin was

not arrested when caught at school with stolen jewelry and with

marijuana. Instead, the typical gangsta wannabe was just suspended

from school, the last time just days before he was shot while

attacking George Zimmerman.

Trayvon Martin was not from Sanford, the town north of Orlando where

he was shot in 2012 and where a Jury Acquitted Zimmerman of murder

charges. Martin was from Miami Gardens, over 200 miles away, and had

come to Sanford to hang out with one of his babydaddy's 'hoes Brandy

Green at her crib in the community where Zimmerman was in charge of

the Neighborhood Watch. Trayvon was staying with Green after he had

been suspended for the 2nd time in 6 months from Krop High School in

Miami-Dade County, where his daddy, Tracy Martin, and mammy, Sybrina

Fulton, lived.

Both of Trayvon's disciplinary suspensions at Krop High involved

Crimes that should have led to his prosecution. However, Chief Charles

Hurley of the Miami-Dade School Police Department (MDSPD) had

implemented a cover-up policy that reduced the number of Criminal

Reports, manipulating statistics to create the false appearance of a

reduction in crime within his school system. Less than two weeks

before Trayvon's death, the school system commended Chief Hurley for

"decreasing school-related juvenile delinquency by an amazing 60% for

the last six months of 2011." What was actually happening was that

Crimes were not being reported, but instead mischaracterized as

'Disciplinary Infractions'.

After video surveillance cameras caught Trayvon spraying graffiti,

MDSPD Office Darryl Dunn searched his backpack, looking for the

markers he was using. Officer Dunn found 12 pieces of women's jewelry

and a man's watch, along with a heavy flathead screwdriver the officer

described as a "burglary tool." The jewelry and watch, which Martin

claimed he had gotten from a friend he refused to name, matched a

description of items stolen during the October 2011 home robbery of a

house on 204th Terrace, about a half-mile from the school. However,

because of Chief Hurley's scheme "to lower the Arrest Rates," as a

MDSPD sergeant revealed during an internal investigation, the stolen

jewelry in Trayvon's possession was instead only listed as "found

property" and was never reported to Miami-Dade Police who were

investigating the robberies. Similarly, in February 2012 when an MDSPD

officer caught Trayvon with a plastic bag containing marijuana, as

well as a marijuana pipe, this was not treated as a crime, and instead

he was merely suspended from class.

These Crimes should have put Trayvon Martin into the custody of the

Justice System. However, because of Chief Hurley's tricky scheme to

spin the school Crime Statistics - according to sworn testimony,

officers were "basically told to lie and falsify" reports - Trayvon

wasn't arrested. If he had been arrested, he might never have been

prowling around in Sanford after scoring the fixings for a 'Street

Drug' (promethazine/codeine cough syrup, Soda & Skittles) the night of

his fateful encounter with Zimmerman.

In fact, the reason Zimmerman was suspicious of the hooded figure

skulking around the townhouse community the night of the February 2012

shooting was that there had been a rash of burglaries in the

neighborhood since Trayvon had arrived so he called the Police.

As for Chief Hurley's scam, it was the controversy over Trayvon's

death that accidentally exposed it. In March 2012, the Miami Herald

reported on Trayvon's criminal activities at Krop High. Chief Hurley

then launched the Internal Affairs Investigation in an attempt to find

out who had leaked information to reporters. During the course of the

IA Investigation, MDSPD officers and supervisors desclosed Chief

Hurley's policy of covering up Crimes by students. Chief Hurley was

subsequently accused of Sexually Harassing two female subordinates. He

resigned in disgrace in February, about a year after Trayvon Martin's

death.



Hurley was fond of black pussy, see Deanna Fox-Williams, 2nd

from right.



http://theconservativetreehouse.file...m/2012/12/miam

i-dade-schools-police-department.jpg?w=640&h=426



Also, Yewande Gibson.



http://media.nbcmiami.com/images/654...nde-Gibson.jpg







In other words, the boy had a bright future in the Democratic Party

Leadership or as a Reverend in the race-baiting business.



One lesson from this is never to carry a straight-bladed screwdriver

on your person. Another is that we should prepare prisons for half of

the young people in the US (and quite a few older people) because

they've smoked marijuana, and should be treated as criminals.





No, just the slime-balls on drugs that have stolen jewelry on them and

get caught casing YOUR neighborhood.



Aha! So, Zimmerman knew about the jewelry, and that it was stolen,

before he shot Martin? And he was casing the neighborhood -- even

though Martin was headed back to his dad's apartment? Right....



Why didn't he tell the cops? According to the rightard story that's

been floating around here, the cops recognized the jewelry, that it

came from a house burglary, and that Martin had it in his possession,

but they didn't bother to investigate it because they didn't want to

mess up their arrest statistics.



After that fairy tale, I don't believe much of anything said about

this case.







The "innocent little boy" was casing houses in Zimmerman's neighborhood

where Zimmerman was on the neighborhood watch...most likely started due

to Martin's crime spree. I would have had a rifle and shot the

criminal, multiple times from at at least 50 yards after witnessing him

case houses.

And you'd be doing life in prison.



Silenced rifle, sabot round. And, just how would I get arrested?

Sigh..Lefties simply dont think very well about important things do
they? This is..afterall...a metalworking newsgroup composed of some
very smart people (leftwingers excepted of course)

Hell..using a proper very light soft point.... one doesnt even need a
sabot. They tend to blow up nicely when shooting a person with a 40gr
varmint bullet at 4000+ fps. Particularly when you put one into
their melon. Very little left except tiny bits and pieces. And if
they manage to spend weeks putting the pieces together into something
even remotely identifyable..they have to have a firearm to match it
with. So dont shoot too many people and dont become a suspect.

This is a metalworking group..silencers are sooooo easy to build.
Anyone here can wack out one in a couple or 3 hours at most. Not that
Id break the law..no sirree..but others...shrug.


A "Silencer that works on a 4,000 FPS bullet?

--
Cheers,

John B.



Sure, It's the size of a truck muffler though. And, no help for the
"crack".

I was talking about the "bullet" :-)
--
Cheers,

John B.



I don't know if there is a way to modify a sonic boom.

The rifle suppressors that special forces and some snipers used on
M16s in 'Nam were intended NOT to suppress the "crack," but to make it
very difficult to tell where the shot came from.

The "crack" is projected along the bullet's path as long as the bullet
is supersonic. If there's no muzzle blast, the sound appears to be
coming from a broad area.

Well to eliminate the crack (sonic boom) I suppose that the suppressor
could reach all the way to the target Or at least reach far enough
that the bullet had slowed to a sub-sonic speed :-)

The "boom" can be suppressed, and it's the boom that appears to come
from a point source.

My cousin, a Marine sniper in 'Nam (actually, in Laos) used one, along
with a Remington 700 bolt-action in 7.62 NATO.

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E=MxV so, a heavy mass moving slower can impart the same or more energy.


That's momentum. Energy is (MV^2)/2.

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On Fri, 26 Jul 2013 01:28:40 -0400, Tom Gardner Mars@Tacks wrote:

On 7/25/2013 9:24 PM, John B. wrote:
On Thu, 25 Jul 2013 07:33:16 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Thu, 25 Jul 2013 09:10:52 -0400, Tom Gardner Mars@Tacks wrote:

On 7/24/2013 11:47 PM, rangerssuck wrote:
On Wednesday, July 24, 2013 10:18:16 PM UTC-4, Tom Gardner wrote:
On 7/24/2013 3:47 PM, Ed Huntress wrote:

On Wed, 24 Jul 2013 15:06:48 -0400, Tom Gardner Mars@Tacks wrote:



On 7/23/2013 6:41 PM, Ed Huntress wrote:

On Tue, 23 Jul 2013 18:34:58 -0400, Tom Gardner Mars@Tacks wrote:



On 7/23/2013 2:06 PM, Pierre Laporte, Minister of Unemployment and

Assimilation wrote:

In article

Media Madders.Lie wrote:



The shooting of Trayvon might never have happened if school officials

in Miami-Dade County had not instituted a fraudulent policy of

treating Crimes as 'School Disciplinary Infractions'. Revelations that

emerged from an Internal Affairs investigation explain why Martin was

not arrested when caught at school with stolen jewelry and with

marijuana. Instead, the typical gangsta wannabe was just suspended

from school, the last time just days before he was shot while

attacking George Zimmerman.

Trayvon Martin was not from Sanford, the town north of Orlando where

he was shot in 2012 and where a Jury Acquitted Zimmerman of murder

charges. Martin was from Miami Gardens, over 200 miles away, and had

come to Sanford to hang out with one of his babydaddy's 'hoes Brandy

Green at her crib in the community where Zimmerman was in charge of

the Neighborhood Watch. Trayvon was staying with Green after he had

been suspended for the 2nd time in 6 months from Krop High School in

Miami-Dade County, where his daddy, Tracy Martin, and mammy, Sybrina

Fulton, lived.

Both of Trayvon's disciplinary suspensions at Krop High involved

Crimes that should have led to his prosecution. However, Chief Charles

Hurley of the Miami-Dade School Police Department (MDSPD) had

implemented a cover-up policy that reduced the number of Criminal

Reports, manipulating statistics to create the false appearance of a

reduction in crime within his school system. Less than two weeks

before Trayvon's death, the school system commended Chief Hurley for

"decreasing school-related juvenile delinquency by an amazing 60% for

the last six months of 2011." What was actually happening was that

Crimes were not being reported, but instead mischaracterized as

'Disciplinary Infractions'.

After video surveillance cameras caught Trayvon spraying graffiti,

MDSPD Office Darryl Dunn searched his backpack, looking for the

markers he was using. Officer Dunn found 12 pieces of women's jewelry

and a man's watch, along with a heavy flathead screwdriver the officer

described as a "burglary tool." The jewelry and watch, which Martin

claimed he had gotten from a friend he refused to name, matched a

description of items stolen during the October 2011 home robbery of a

house on 204th Terrace, about a half-mile from the school. However,

because of Chief Hurley's scheme "to lower the Arrest Rates," as a

MDSPD sergeant revealed during an internal investigation, the stolen

jewelry in Trayvon's possession was instead only listed as "found

property" and was never reported to Miami-Dade Police who were

investigating the robberies. Similarly, in February 2012 when an MDSPD

officer caught Trayvon with a plastic bag containing marijuana, as

well as a marijuana pipe, this was not treated as a crime, and instead

he was merely suspended from class.

These Crimes should have put Trayvon Martin into the custody of the

Justice System. However, because of Chief Hurley's tricky scheme to

spin the school Crime Statistics - according to sworn testimony,

officers were "basically told to lie and falsify" reports - Trayvon

wasn't arrested. If he had been arrested, he might never have been

prowling around in Sanford after scoring the fixings for a 'Street

Drug' (promethazine/codeine cough syrup, Soda & Skittles) the night of

his fateful encounter with Zimmerman.

In fact, the reason Zimmerman was suspicious of the hooded figure

skulking around the townhouse community the night of the February 2012

shooting was that there had been a rash of burglaries in the

neighborhood since Trayvon had arrived so he called the Police.

As for Chief Hurley's scam, it was the controversy over Trayvon's

death that accidentally exposed it. In March 2012, the Miami Herald

reported on Trayvon's criminal activities at Krop High. Chief Hurley

then launched the Internal Affairs Investigation in an attempt to find

out who had leaked information to reporters. During the course of the

IA Investigation, MDSPD officers and supervisors desclosed Chief

Hurley's policy of covering up Crimes by students. Chief Hurley was

subsequently accused of Sexually Harassing two female subordinates. He

resigned in disgrace in February, about a year after Trayvon Martin's

death.



Hurley was fond of black pussy, see Deanna Fox-Williams, 2nd

from right.



http://theconservativetreehouse.file...m/2012/12/miam

i-dade-schools-police-department.jpg?w=640&h=426



Also, Yewande Gibson.



http://media.nbcmiami.com/images/654...nde-Gibson.jpg







In other words, the boy had a bright future in the Democratic Party

Leadership or as a Reverend in the race-baiting business.



One lesson from this is never to carry a straight-bladed screwdriver

on your person. Another is that we should prepare prisons for half of

the young people in the US (and quite a few older people) because

they've smoked marijuana, and should be treated as criminals.





No, just the slime-balls on drugs that have stolen jewelry on them and

get caught casing YOUR neighborhood.



Aha! So, Zimmerman knew about the jewelry, and that it was stolen,

before he shot Martin? And he was casing the neighborhood -- even

though Martin was headed back to his dad's apartment? Right....



Why didn't he tell the cops? According to the rightard story that's

been floating around here, the cops recognized the jewelry, that it

came from a house burglary, and that Martin had it in his possession,

but they didn't bother to investigate it because they didn't want to

mess up their arrest statistics.



After that fairy tale, I don't believe much of anything said about

this case.







The "innocent little boy" was casing houses in Zimmerman's neighborhood

where Zimmerman was on the neighborhood watch...most likely started due

to Martin's crime spree. I would have had a rifle and shot the

criminal, multiple times from at at least 50 yards after witnessing him

case houses.

And you'd be doing life in prison.



Silenced rifle, sabot round. And, just how would I get arrested?

Sigh..Lefties simply dont think very well about important things do
they? This is..afterall...a metalworking newsgroup composed of some
very smart people (leftwingers excepted of course)

Hell..using a proper very light soft point.... one doesnt even need a
sabot. They tend to blow up nicely when shooting a person with a 40gr
varmint bullet at 4000+ fps. Particularly when you put one into
their melon. Very little left except tiny bits and pieces. And if
they manage to spend weeks putting the pieces together into something
even remotely identifyable..they have to have a firearm to match it
with. So dont shoot too many people and dont become a suspect.

This is a metalworking group..silencers are sooooo easy to build.
Anyone here can wack out one in a couple or 3 hours at most. Not that
Id break the law..no sirree..but others...shrug.


A "Silencer that works on a 4,000 FPS bullet?

--
Cheers,

John B.



Sure, It's the size of a truck muffler though. And, no help for the
"crack".


ah...actually..its no bigger than about 1.75 in diameter and about 12"
long. All a silencer does is slow down the noise as the powder
pressure wave exits the barrel. A 223 for example..doesnt have a real
big bubble of gas when it exits the barrel. Just a high pressure one

And at 50 yrds..there isnt much of a crack. However there is
significant noise as the targets melon explodes. Like dropping a
watermellon from a 3rd story window. But oddly enough...it doesnt
echo much.

science is often wierd.

Go on YouTube and watch the size of the bubble as they shoot guns
underwater. The bubble of gas is surprisingly small.

Gunner


--
""Almost all liberal behavioral tropes track the impotent rage of small
children. Thus, for example, there is also the popular tactic of
repeating some stupid, meaningless phrase a billion times" Arms for
hostages, arms for hostages, arms for hostages, it's just about sex, just
about sex, just about sex, dumb,dumb, money in politics,money in
politics, Enron, Enron, Enron. Nothing repeated with mind-numbing
frequency in all major news outlets will not be believed by some members
of the populace. It is the permanence of evil; you can't stop it." (Ann
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On Fri, 26 Jul 2013 18:17:23 -0400, Tom Gardner Mars@Tacks wrote:

On 7/26/2013 8:10 AM, John B. wrote:
On Fri, 26 Jul 2013 01:28:40 -0400, Tom Gardner Mars@Tacks wrote:

On 7/25/2013 9:24 PM, John B. wrote:
On Thu, 25 Jul 2013 07:33:16 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Thu, 25 Jul 2013 09:10:52 -0400, Tom Gardner Mars@Tacks wrote:

On 7/24/2013 11:47 PM, rangerssuck wrote:
On Wednesday, July 24, 2013 10:18:16 PM UTC-4, Tom Gardner wrote:
On 7/24/2013 3:47 PM, Ed Huntress wrote:

On Wed, 24 Jul 2013 15:06:48 -0400, Tom Gardner Mars@Tacks wrote:



On 7/23/2013 6:41 PM, Ed Huntress wrote:

On Tue, 23 Jul 2013 18:34:58 -0400, Tom Gardner Mars@Tacks wrote:



On 7/23/2013 2:06 PM, Pierre Laporte, Minister of Unemployment and

Assimilation wrote:

In article

Media Madders.Lie wrote:



The shooting of Trayvon might never have happened if school officials

in Miami-Dade County had not instituted a fraudulent policy of

treating Crimes as 'School Disciplinary Infractions'. Revelations that

emerged from an Internal Affairs investigation explain why Martin was

not arrested when caught at school with stolen jewelry and with

marijuana. Instead, the typical gangsta wannabe was just suspended

from school, the last time just days before he was shot while

attacking George Zimmerman.

Trayvon Martin was not from Sanford, the town north of Orlando where

he was shot in 2012 and where a Jury Acquitted Zimmerman of murder

charges. Martin was from Miami Gardens, over 200 miles away, and had

come to Sanford to hang out with one of his babydaddy's 'hoes Brandy

Green at her crib in the community where Zimmerman was in charge of

the Neighborhood Watch. Trayvon was staying with Green after he had

been suspended for the 2nd time in 6 months from Krop High School in

Miami-Dade County, where his daddy, Tracy Martin, and mammy, Sybrina

Fulton, lived.

Both of Trayvon's disciplinary suspensions at Krop High involved

Crimes that should have led to his prosecution. However, Chief Charles

Hurley of the Miami-Dade School Police Department (MDSPD) had

implemented a cover-up policy that reduced the number of Criminal

Reports, manipulating statistics to create the false appearance of a

reduction in crime within his school system. Less than two weeks

before Trayvon's death, the school system commended Chief Hurley for

"decreasing school-related juvenile delinquency by an amazing 60% for

the last six months of 2011." What was actually happening was that

Crimes were not being reported, but instead mischaracterized as

'Disciplinary Infractions'.

After video surveillance cameras caught Trayvon spraying graffiti,

MDSPD Office Darryl Dunn searched his backpack, looking for the

markers he was using. Officer Dunn found 12 pieces of women's jewelry

and a man's watch, along with a heavy flathead screwdriver the officer

described as a "burglary tool." The jewelry and watch, which Martin

claimed he had gotten from a friend he refused to name, matched a

description of items stolen during the October 2011 home robbery of a

house on 204th Terrace, about a half-mile from the school. However,

because of Chief Hurley's scheme "to lower the Arrest Rates," as a

MDSPD sergeant revealed during an internal investigation, the stolen

jewelry in Trayvon's possession was instead only listed as "found

property" and was never reported to Miami-Dade Police who were

investigating the robberies. Similarly, in February 2012 when an MDSPD

officer caught Trayvon with a plastic bag containing marijuana, as

well as a marijuana pipe, this was not treated as a crime, and instead

he was merely suspended from class.

These Crimes should have put Trayvon Martin into the custody of the

Justice System. However, because of Chief Hurley's tricky scheme to

spin the school Crime Statistics - according to sworn testimony,

officers were "basically told to lie and falsify" reports - Trayvon

wasn't arrested. If he had been arrested, he might never have been

prowling around in Sanford after scoring the fixings for a 'Street

Drug' (promethazine/codeine cough syrup, Soda & Skittles) the night of

his fateful encounter with Zimmerman.

In fact, the reason Zimmerman was suspicious of the hooded figure

skulking around the townhouse community the night of the February 2012

shooting was that there had been a rash of burglaries in the

neighborhood since Trayvon had arrived so he called the Police.

As for Chief Hurley's scam, it was the controversy over Trayvon's

death that accidentally exposed it. In March 2012, the Miami Herald

reported on Trayvon's criminal activities at Krop High. Chief Hurley

then launched the Internal Affairs Investigation in an attempt to find

out who had leaked information to reporters. During the course of the

IA Investigation, MDSPD officers and supervisors desclosed Chief

Hurley's policy of covering up Crimes by students. Chief Hurley was

subsequently accused of Sexually Harassing two female subordinates. He

resigned in disgrace in February, about a year after Trayvon Martin's

death.



Hurley was fond of black pussy, see Deanna Fox-Williams, 2nd

from right.



http://theconservativetreehouse.file...m/2012/12/miam

i-dade-schools-police-department.jpg?w=640&h=426



Also, Yewande Gibson.



http://media.nbcmiami.com/images/654...nde-Gibson.jpg







In other words, the boy had a bright future in the Democratic Party

Leadership or as a Reverend in the race-baiting business.



One lesson from this is never to carry a straight-bladed screwdriver

on your person. Another is that we should prepare prisons for half of

the young people in the US (and quite a few older people) because

they've smoked marijuana, and should be treated as criminals.





No, just the slime-balls on drugs that have stolen jewelry on them and

get caught casing YOUR neighborhood.



Aha! So, Zimmerman knew about the jewelry, and that it was stolen,

before he shot Martin? And he was casing the neighborhood -- even

though Martin was headed back to his dad's apartment? Right....



Why didn't he tell the cops? According to the rightard story that's

been floating around here, the cops recognized the jewelry, that it

came from a house burglary, and that Martin had it in his possession,

but they didn't bother to investigate it because they didn't want to

mess up their arrest statistics.



After that fairy tale, I don't believe much of anything said about

this case.







The "innocent little boy" was casing houses in Zimmerman's neighborhood

where Zimmerman was on the neighborhood watch...most likely started due

to Martin's crime spree. I would have had a rifle and shot the

criminal, multiple times from at at least 50 yards after witnessing him

case houses.

And you'd be doing life in prison.



Silenced rifle, sabot round. And, just how would I get arrested?

Sigh..Lefties simply dont think very well about important things do
they? This is..afterall...a metalworking newsgroup composed of some
very smart people (leftwingers excepted of course)

Hell..using a proper very light soft point.... one doesnt even need a
sabot. They tend to blow up nicely when shooting a person with a 40gr
varmint bullet at 4000+ fps. Particularly when you put one into
their melon. Very little left except tiny bits and pieces. And if
they manage to spend weeks putting the pieces together into something
even remotely identifyable..they have to have a firearm to match it
with. So dont shoot too many people and dont become a suspect.

This is a metalworking group..silencers are sooooo easy to build.
Anyone here can wack out one in a couple or 3 hours at most. Not that
Id break the law..no sirree..but others...shrug.


A "Silencer that works on a 4,000 FPS bullet?

--
Cheers,

John B.



Sure, It's the size of a truck muffler though. And, no help for the
"crack".


I was talking about the "bullet" :-)
--
Cheers,

John B.



I don't know if there is a way to modify a sonic boom.


Keep the path short and the wave front as small as possible. And use
boat tail bullets


--
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children. Thus, for example, there is also the popular tactic of
repeating some stupid, meaningless phrase a billion times" Arms for
hostages, arms for hostages, arms for hostages, it's just about sex, just
about sex, just about sex, dumb,dumb, money in politics,money in
politics, Enron, Enron, Enron. Nothing repeated with mind-numbing
frequency in all major news outlets will not be believed by some members
of the populace. It is the permanence of evil; you can't stop it." (Ann
Coulter)
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A "Silencer that works on a 4,000 FPS bullet?

--
Cheers,

John B.



Sure, It's the size of a truck muffler though. And, no help for the
"crack".


ah...actually..its no bigger than about 1.75 in diameter and about 12"
long. All a silencer does is slow down the noise as the powder
pressure wave exits the barrel. A 223 for example..doesnt have a real
big bubble of gas when it exits the barrel. Just a high pressure one

And at 50 yrds..there isnt much of a crack. However there is
significant noise as the targets melon explodes. Like dropping a
watermellon from a 3rd story window. But oddly enough...it doesnt
echo much.

science is often wierd.

Go on YouTube and watch the size of the bubble as they shoot guns
underwater. The bubble of gas is surprisingly small.


Groovy, mon. Wow, the bypass from a wheel gun v. auto is amazing.
Half the velocity is lost, isn't it?

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On 7/26/2013 6:15 PM, Tom Gardner wrote:
On 7/26/2013 6:55 PM, George Plimpton wrote:
On 7/26/2013 3:34 PM, Tom Gardner wrote:

Georgie,
Where are all your degrees?


tommy boy: you run (into the ground) a ****ty business that you did not
found, but instead inherited from your long-suffering parents. You are
a zero achiever. Apparently some other talentless right-wing
knuckle-draggers around her like you despite that.



Yep, going out of business...for 22 years now.


No one said it was going into the ground, tommy boy faggot. What is
clear is that the "firm" (huh) isn't as robust as when it was bequeathed
to you.

You have built nothing. You're a caretaker at best. You're also
provably a fat ****. That gut is an embarrassment.



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On Fri, 26 Jul 2013 19:31:58 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Fri, 26 Jul 2013 01:28:40 -0400, Tom Gardner Mars@Tacks wrote:

On 7/25/2013 9:24 PM, John B. wrote:
On Thu, 25 Jul 2013 07:33:16 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Thu, 25 Jul 2013 09:10:52 -0400, Tom Gardner Mars@Tacks wrote:

On 7/24/2013 11:47 PM, rangerssuck wrote:
On Wednesday, July 24, 2013 10:18:16 PM UTC-4, Tom Gardner wrote:
On 7/24/2013 3:47 PM, Ed Huntress wrote:

On Wed, 24 Jul 2013 15:06:48 -0400, Tom Gardner Mars@Tacks wrote:



On 7/23/2013 6:41 PM, Ed Huntress wrote:

On Tue, 23 Jul 2013 18:34:58 -0400, Tom Gardner Mars@Tacks wrote:



On 7/23/2013 2:06 PM, Pierre Laporte, Minister of Unemployment and

Assimilation wrote:

In article

Media Madders.Lie wrote:



The shooting of Trayvon might never have happened if school officials

in Miami-Dade County had not instituted a fraudulent policy of

treating Crimes as 'School Disciplinary Infractions'. Revelations that

emerged from an Internal Affairs investigation explain why Martin was

not arrested when caught at school with stolen jewelry and with

marijuana. Instead, the typical gangsta wannabe was just suspended

from school, the last time just days before he was shot while

attacking George Zimmerman.

Trayvon Martin was not from Sanford, the town north of Orlando where

he was shot in 2012 and where a Jury Acquitted Zimmerman of murder

charges. Martin was from Miami Gardens, over 200 miles away, and had

come to Sanford to hang out with one of his babydaddy's 'hoes Brandy

Green at her crib in the community where Zimmerman was in charge of

the Neighborhood Watch. Trayvon was staying with Green after he had

been suspended for the 2nd time in 6 months from Krop High School in

Miami-Dade County, where his daddy, Tracy Martin, and mammy, Sybrina

Fulton, lived.

Both of Trayvon's disciplinary suspensions at Krop High involved

Crimes that should have led to his prosecution. However, Chief Charles

Hurley of the Miami-Dade School Police Department (MDSPD) had

implemented a cover-up policy that reduced the number of Criminal

Reports, manipulating statistics to create the false appearance of a

reduction in crime within his school system. Less than two weeks

before Trayvon's death, the school system commended Chief Hurley for

"decreasing school-related juvenile delinquency by an amazing 60% for

the last six months of 2011." What was actually happening was that

Crimes were not being reported, but instead mischaracterized as

'Disciplinary Infractions'.

After video surveillance cameras caught Trayvon spraying graffiti,

MDSPD Office Darryl Dunn searched his backpack, looking for the

markers he was using. Officer Dunn found 12 pieces of women's jewelry

and a man's watch, along with a heavy flathead screwdriver the officer

described as a "burglary tool." The jewelry and watch, which Martin

claimed he had gotten from a friend he refused to name, matched a

description of items stolen during the October 2011 home robbery of a

house on 204th Terrace, about a half-mile from the school. However,

because of Chief Hurley's scheme "to lower the Arrest Rates," as a

MDSPD sergeant revealed during an internal investigation, the stolen

jewelry in Trayvon's possession was instead only listed as "found

property" and was never reported to Miami-Dade Police who were

investigating the robberies. Similarly, in February 2012 when an MDSPD

officer caught Trayvon with a plastic bag containing marijuana, as

well as a marijuana pipe, this was not treated as a crime, and instead

he was merely suspended from class.

These Crimes should have put Trayvon Martin into the custody of the

Justice System. However, because of Chief Hurley's tricky scheme to

spin the school Crime Statistics - according to sworn testimony,

officers were "basically told to lie and falsify" reports - Trayvon

wasn't arrested. If he had been arrested, he might never have been

prowling around in Sanford after scoring the fixings for a 'Street

Drug' (promethazine/codeine cough syrup, Soda & Skittles) the night of

his fateful encounter with Zimmerman.

In fact, the reason Zimmerman was suspicious of the hooded figure

skulking around the townhouse community the night of the February 2012

shooting was that there had been a rash of burglaries in the

neighborhood since Trayvon had arrived so he called the Police.

As for Chief Hurley's scam, it was the controversy over Trayvon's

death that accidentally exposed it. In March 2012, the Miami Herald

reported on Trayvon's criminal activities at Krop High. Chief Hurley

then launched the Internal Affairs Investigation in an attempt to find

out who had leaked information to reporters. During the course of the

IA Investigation, MDSPD officers and supervisors desclosed Chief

Hurley's policy of covering up Crimes by students. Chief Hurley was

subsequently accused of Sexually Harassing two female subordinates. He

resigned in disgrace in February, about a year after Trayvon Martin's

death.



Hurley was fond of black pussy, see Deanna Fox-Williams, 2nd

from right.



http://theconservativetreehouse.file...m/2012/12/miam

i-dade-schools-police-department.jpg?w=640&h=426



Also, Yewande Gibson.



http://media.nbcmiami.com/images/654...nde-Gibson.jpg







In other words, the boy had a bright future in the Democratic Party

Leadership or as a Reverend in the race-baiting business.



One lesson from this is never to carry a straight-bladed screwdriver

on your person. Another is that we should prepare prisons for half of

the young people in the US (and quite a few older people) because

they've smoked marijuana, and should be treated as criminals.





No, just the slime-balls on drugs that have stolen jewelry on them and

get caught casing YOUR neighborhood.



Aha! So, Zimmerman knew about the jewelry, and that it was stolen,

before he shot Martin? And he was casing the neighborhood -- even

though Martin was headed back to his dad's apartment? Right....



Why didn't he tell the cops? According to the rightard story that's

been floating around here, the cops recognized the jewelry, that it

came from a house burglary, and that Martin had it in his possession,

but they didn't bother to investigate it because they didn't want to

mess up their arrest statistics.



After that fairy tale, I don't believe much of anything said about

this case.







The "innocent little boy" was casing houses in Zimmerman's neighborhood

where Zimmerman was on the neighborhood watch...most likely started due

to Martin's crime spree. I would have had a rifle and shot the

criminal, multiple times from at at least 50 yards after witnessing him

case houses.

And you'd be doing life in prison.



Silenced rifle, sabot round. And, just how would I get arrested?

Sigh..Lefties simply dont think very well about important things do
they? This is..afterall...a metalworking newsgroup composed of some
very smart people (leftwingers excepted of course)

Hell..using a proper very light soft point.... one doesnt even need a
sabot. They tend to blow up nicely when shooting a person with a 40gr
varmint bullet at 4000+ fps. Particularly when you put one into
their melon. Very little left except tiny bits and pieces. And if
they manage to spend weeks putting the pieces together into something
even remotely identifyable..they have to have a firearm to match it
with. So dont shoot too many people and dont become a suspect.

This is a metalworking group..silencers are sooooo easy to build.
Anyone here can wack out one in a couple or 3 hours at most. Not that
Id break the law..no sirree..but others...shrug.


A "Silencer that works on a 4,000 FPS bullet?

--
Cheers,

John B.



Sure, It's the size of a truck muffler though. And, no help for the
"crack".


ah...actually..its no bigger than about 1.75 in diameter and about 12"
long. All a silencer does is slow down the noise as the powder
pressure wave exits the barrel. A 223 for example..doesnt have a real
big bubble of gas when it exits the barrel. Just a high pressure one

And at 50 yrds..there isnt much of a crack. However there is
significant noise as the targets melon explodes. Like dropping a
watermellon from a 3rd story window. But oddly enough...it doesnt
echo much.

I've served a bit of time in the target pits on a big bore range and
bullet noise is very distinct out to at least 500 yards. Of course
that was in the days of yore when big bore was 30-06 size.

science is often wierd.

Go on YouTube and watch the size of the bubble as they shoot guns
underwater. The bubble of gas is surprisingly small.

and gets progressively smaller the deeper you go :-)

Gunner

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John B.
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On Fri, 26 Jul 2013 22:13:32 -0700, Larry Jaques
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A "Silencer that works on a 4,000 FPS bullet?

--
Cheers,

John B.



Sure, It's the size of a truck muffler though. And, no help for the
"crack".


ah...actually..its no bigger than about 1.75 in diameter and about 12"
long. All a silencer does is slow down the noise as the powder
pressure wave exits the barrel. A 223 for example..doesnt have a real
big bubble of gas when it exits the barrel. Just a high pressure one

And at 50 yrds..there isnt much of a crack. However there is
significant noise as the targets melon explodes. Like dropping a
watermellon from a 3rd story window. But oddly enough...it doesnt
echo much.

science is often wierd.

Go on YouTube and watch the size of the bubble as they shoot guns
underwater. The bubble of gas is surprisingly small.


Groovy, mon. Wow, the bypass from a wheel gun v. auto is amazing.
Half the velocity is lost, isn't it?


Not half..perhaps 5% at most. Vortex physics are beyond
me...but...thats the estimate.

On the Dan Wesson revolvers..where you could adjust the barrel gap..it
didnt make a big deal of difference...neasured in FPS..its
surprisingly small.

Gunner

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children. Thus, for example, there is also the popular tactic of
repeating some stupid, meaningless phrase a billion times" Arms for
hostages, arms for hostages, arms for hostages, it's just about sex, just
about sex, just about sex, dumb,dumb, money in politics,money in
politics, Enron, Enron, Enron. Nothing repeated with mind-numbing
frequency in all major news outlets will not be believed by some members
of the populace. It is the permanence of evil; you can't stop it." (Ann
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A "Silencer that works on a 4,000 FPS bullet?

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Sure, It's the size of a truck muffler though. And, no help for the
"crack".


ah...actually..its no bigger than about 1.75 in diameter and about 12"
long. All a silencer does is slow down the noise as the powder
pressure wave exits the barrel. A 223 for example..doesnt have a real
big bubble of gas when it exits the barrel. Just a high pressure one

And at 50 yrds..there isnt much of a crack. However there is
significant noise as the targets melon explodes. Like dropping a
watermellon from a 3rd story window. But oddly enough...it doesnt
echo much.

science is often wierd.

Go on YouTube and watch the size of the bubble as they shoot guns
underwater. The bubble of gas is surprisingly small.


Not surprising. And IMO pretty irrelevant to the sound (pressure
level) of the gunshot.

All that bubble does is show how much gas got to produced to fill
a gun barrel. It is all about how fast that "bubble" forms behind the
bullet, before it overcomes the inertia, and the bullet starts to move
out of the way.

If memory serves - a silence/muffler "merely" allows for a volume
that the "bubble" can expand into, so that the shockwave is now below
the speed of sound before it enters the "atmosphere". In theory, you
could put a silencer on a 120 mm howitzer, thus allowing you to use it
inside city limits. If you can find a place where you can mount such
a device.
Of course, you'd still have the "crack" from a supersonic
projectiles passage.
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tommy boy faggot.



Aah, NOW I see...you only WISH I was a fag! Are you typing while
sporting a Viagra-enhanced erection? I'm flattered, but you're not my
type. You'll have to settle for using your imagination. Give me your
credit card and I'll record some MP3's of me talking dirty to you, just
$19.95/minute.

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On 7/27/2013 1:41 AM, George Plimpton wrote:
tommy boy faggot.



Aah, NOW I see...you only WISH I was a fag!


You *are* a squat-to-**** faggot, tommy boy. And the owner of a shabby
little "business" that isn't as good as when you inherited it.



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On Sat, 27 Jul 2013 06:36:59 -0700, Gunner Asch
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On Fri, 26 Jul 2013 22:13:32 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote:


A "Silencer that works on a 4,000 FPS bullet?

--
Cheers,

John B.



Sure, It's the size of a truck muffler though. And, no help for the
"crack".

ah...actually..its no bigger than about 1.75 in diameter and about 12"
long. All a silencer does is slow down the noise as the powder
pressure wave exits the barrel. A 223 for example..doesnt have a real
big bubble of gas when it exits the barrel. Just a high pressure one

And at 50 yrds..there isnt much of a crack. However there is
significant noise as the targets melon explodes. Like dropping a
watermellon from a 3rd story window. But oddly enough...it doesnt
echo much.

science is often wierd.

Go on YouTube and watch the size of the bubble as they shoot guns
underwater. The bubble of gas is surprisingly small.


Groovy, mon. Wow, the bypass from a wheel gun v. auto is amazing.
Half the velocity is lost, isn't it?


Not half..perhaps 5% at most. Vortex physics are beyond
me...but...thats the estimate.


In that case, it must be the losses in activating the slide which make
up the difference. The gas bubble at the barrel/cylinder was equal to
that at the muzzle on the revolver.


On the Dan Wesson revolvers..where you could adjust the barrel gap..it
didnt make a big deal of difference...neasured in FPS..its
surprisingly small.


I don't have any experience with reloading handgun ammo, but do
reloaders use faster-burning and/or more powerful powder for wheel
ammo than that which is made for autos?

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surprise, it's a lot easier to hit your targets
if you don't yell going through the door.
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On Sat, 27 Jul 2013 09:09:42 -0700, pyotr filipivich
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Gunner Asch on Fri, 26 Jul 2013 19:31:58 -0700
typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:

A "Silencer that works on a 4,000 FPS bullet?

--
Cheers,

John B.



Sure, It's the size of a truck muffler though. And, no help for the
"crack".


ah...actually..its no bigger than about 1.75 in diameter and about 12"
long. All a silencer does is slow down the noise as the powder
pressure wave exits the barrel. A 223 for example..doesnt have a real
big bubble of gas when it exits the barrel. Just a high pressure one

And at 50 yrds..there isnt much of a crack. However there is
significant noise as the targets melon explodes. Like dropping a
watermellon from a 3rd story window. But oddly enough...it doesnt
echo much.

science is often wierd.

Go on YouTube and watch the size of the bubble as they shoot guns
underwater. The bubble of gas is surprisingly small.


Not surprising. And IMO pretty irrelevant to the sound (pressure
level) of the gunshot.

All that bubble does is show how much gas got to produced to fill
a gun barrel. It is all about how fast that "bubble" forms behind the
bullet, before it overcomes the inertia, and the bullet starts to move
out of the way.


Absolutely correct.

If memory serves - a silence/muffler "merely" allows for a volume
that the "bubble" can expand into, so that the shockwave is now below
the speed of sound before it enters the "atmosphere". In theory, you
could put a silencer on a 120 mm howitzer, thus allowing you to use it
inside city limits. If you can find a place where you can mount such
a device.


Ayup.

Of course, you'd still have the "crack" from a supersonic
projectiles passage.
--
pyotr filipivich
"With Age comes Wisdom. Although more often, Age travels alone."


--
""Almost all liberal behavioral tropes track the impotent rage of small
children. Thus, for example, there is also the popular tactic of
repeating some stupid, meaningless phrase a billion times" Arms for
hostages, arms for hostages, arms for hostages, it's just about sex, just
about sex, just about sex, dumb,dumb, money in politics,money in
politics, Enron, Enron, Enron. Nothing repeated with mind-numbing
frequency in all major news outlets will not be believed by some members
of the populace. It is the permanence of evil; you can't stop it." (Ann
Coulter)
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On Sat, 27 Jul 2013 10:15:25 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote:

On Sat, 27 Jul 2013 06:36:59 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Fri, 26 Jul 2013 22:13:32 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote:


A "Silencer that works on a 4,000 FPS bullet?

--
Cheers,

John B.



Sure, It's the size of a truck muffler though. And, no help for the
"crack".

ah...actually..its no bigger than about 1.75 in diameter and about 12"
long. All a silencer does is slow down the noise as the powder
pressure wave exits the barrel. A 223 for example..doesnt have a real
big bubble of gas when it exits the barrel. Just a high pressure one

And at 50 yrds..there isnt much of a crack. However there is
significant noise as the targets melon explodes. Like dropping a
watermellon from a 3rd story window. But oddly enough...it doesnt
echo much.

science is often wierd.

Go on YouTube and watch the size of the bubble as they shoot guns
underwater. The bubble of gas is surprisingly small.

Groovy, mon. Wow, the bypass from a wheel gun v. auto is amazing.
Half the velocity is lost, isn't it?


Not half..perhaps 5% at most. Vortex physics are beyond
me...but...thats the estimate.


In that case, it must be the losses in activating the slide which make
up the difference. The gas bubble at the barrel/cylinder was equal to
that at the muzzle on the revolver.

No..thats "recoil" operated , with very few self loading pistols being
gas operated.

On the Dan Wesson revolvers..where you could adjust the barrel gap..it
didnt make a big deal of difference...neasured in FPS..its
surprisingly small.


I don't have any experience with reloading handgun ammo, but do
reloaders use faster-burning and/or more powerful powder for wheel
ammo than that which is made for autos?


Nope. G

Well..thats not completely true, but largely similar or the same
powders are used in both revolvers and self loaders.

Gunner

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children. Thus, for example, there is also the popular tactic of
repeating some stupid, meaningless phrase a billion times" Arms for
hostages, arms for hostages, arms for hostages, it's just about sex, just
about sex, just about sex, dumb,dumb, money in politics,money in
politics, Enron, Enron, Enron. Nothing repeated with mind-numbing
frequency in all major news outlets will not be believed by some members
of the populace. It is the permanence of evil; you can't stop it." (Ann
Coulter)
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On 7/27/2013 2:41 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Sat, 27 Jul 2013 10:15:25 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote:

On Sat, 27 Jul 2013 06:36:59 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Fri, 26 Jul 2013 22:13:32 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote:


A "Silencer that works on a 4,000 FPS bullet?

--
Cheers,

John B.



Sure, It's the size of a truck muffler though. And, no help for the
"crack".

ah...actually..its no bigger than about 1.75 in diameter and about 12"
long. All a silencer does is slow down the noise as the powder
pressure wave exits the barrel. A 223 for example..doesnt have a real
big bubble of gas when it exits the barrel. Just a high pressure one

And at 50 yrds..there isnt much of a crack. However there is
significant noise as the targets melon explodes. Like dropping a
watermellon from a 3rd story window. But oddly enough...it doesnt
echo much.

science is often wierd.

Go on YouTube and watch the size of the bubble as they shoot guns
underwater. The bubble of gas is surprisingly small.

Groovy, mon. Wow, the bypass from a wheel gun v. auto is amazing.
Half the velocity is lost, isn't it?

Not half..perhaps 5% at most. Vortex physics are beyond
me...but...thats the estimate.


In that case, it must be the losses in activating the slide which make
up the difference. The gas bubble at the barrel/cylinder was equal to
that at the muzzle on the revolver.

No..thats "recoil" operated , with very few self loading pistols being
gas operated.

On the Dan Wesson revolvers..where you could adjust the barrel gap..it
didnt make a big deal of difference...neasured in FPS..its
surprisingly small.


I don't have any experience with reloading handgun ammo, but do
reloaders use faster-burning and/or more powerful powder for wheel
ammo than that which is made for autos?


Nope. G

Well..thats not completely true, but largely similar or the same
powders are used in both revolvers and self loaders.

Gunner



Off the top of my head, I can't think of any revolver round that is high
pressure. Are there any? Maybe the new .32 magnums?































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On 7/27/2013 12:50 PM, George Plimpton wrote:
On 7/27/2013 9:25 AM, Tom Gardner wrote:
On 7/27/2013 1:41 AM, George Plimpton wrote:
tommy boy faggot.



Aah, NOW I see...you only WISH I was a fag!


You *are* a squat-to-**** faggot, tommy boy. And the owner of a shabby
little "business" that isn't as good as when you inherited it.



I hear there is a cure for your Coprophagia. But, it'll take will power
and we all know you can't help yourself. It's no wonder you have no
friends, nobody can STAND being in the same room with you. At least
you'll never be able to reproduce, unless doctors figure out how to
animate your daily rectal babies. "Oh look, he looks just like daddy!"
Your Coprophagia would be a BIG problem with your "kids"!

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