Gunner fired this volley in
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Ive done just that..and it works surprisingly well!

Gunner

I dunno... maybe it's just my reluctance to NR stuff. I was brought up
in a family - both sides - of NR-ers, and never had a sense of what nice
tools and a good working environment could be until I got into Navy ECM
electronics. It was sort of funny -- my dad was a high pressure steam
vessel weldor, and could make welds so pretty they'd almost make you cry;
but everything else he built or bought, other than welding equipment, was
less than half-done.

So now I spend quality time UNdoing so-called 'shop fixes' on used gear.
I never deliberately add such features to my shop.

I'm not a bit afraid to permanently modify a tool to suit a job (mostly
hand tools), but can't bring myself to intentionally make a good tool
look and feel like it belongs in a museum of primitive folk art. G

Lloyd

On Sun, 03 Mar 2013 07:20:32 -0600, "Lloyd E. Sponenburgh"
lloydspinsidemindspring.com wrote:

Gunner fired this volley in
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Ive done just that..and it works surprisingly well!

Gunner

I dunno... maybe it's just my reluctance to NR stuff. I was brought up
in a family - both sides - of NR-ers, and never had a sense of what nice
tools and a good working environment could be until I got into Navy ECM
electronics. It was sort of funny -- my dad was a high pressure steam
vessel weldor, and could make welds so pretty they'd almost make you cry;
but everything else he built or bought, other than welding equipment, was
less than half-done.

So now I spend quality time UNdoing so-called 'shop fixes' on used gear.
I never deliberately add such features to my shop.

I'm not a bit afraid to permanently modify a tool to suit a job (mostly
hand tools), but can't bring myself to intentionally make a good tool
look and feel like it belongs in a museum of primitive folk art. G

Lloyd

Grin...it it works..it aint stupid.

Hell..the vise on my vertical mill has a golf ball on the end of the
handle. The ball was missing when I got it..so I put another one on.

One of the knobs was missing on the feed handle of my Hardinge
TFB...golf ball again. Know what Hardinge Wants for those black
knobs?!!!!

Some of us have Stuff readily available. Some of us dont. So one
simply does the best one can with whats on hand... to make it work.

Which is why I dont care about paint..cabinet rust or anything that
doesnt interfer with the use of any particular machine. If I were a
Machine Collector..it would be all nice and pretty and looking factory
new.

I am a Machine User..and am not in it for the sake of having Pretty
Stuff. Just Usable Stuff that gets the job done.

Oh..I care about the Pretty Stuff...but its far far lower on my
priorities list than having the machine(s) ready to use and accurate.

Gunner

The methodology of the left has always been:

1. Lie
2. Repeat the lie as many times as possible
3. Have as many people repeat the lie as often as possible
4. Eventually, the uninformed believe the lie
5. The lie will then be made into some form oflaw
6. Then everyone must conform to the lie

Gunner fired this volley in
:

I am a Machine User..and am not in it for the sake of having Pretty
Stuff. Just Usable Stuff that gets the job done.


You don't get it. Most of my tools are heavily used, and show it. I can't
afford the time down to re-paint every machine that needs it. I also
can't afford the time each day to scrub every machine down with solvent
and/or soap and water. I clean up chips and coolant, clean out t-slots,
and generally make sure the machine is lubed and ready for another day.
Then I 'rag it down', and that's it. But my attitude about working parts
is about 'right', not 'pretty'.

Using bolts or golf balls for handles, using bungees to fasten loose
covers, clamping **** together with c-clamps instead of fixing the broken
weld that was supposed to do the job, bodged-on welds that could have
been nicely blended with just a lick of the angle grinder... that's the
kind of crap I hate.

Instead of wrapping baling wire around something to hold it on, replace
or FIX the damned thing. If you fix it, fix it right, so it looks as
good and works as well or better than the original part.

I have hundreds of golf balls in shag bags. They aren't machine parts.
I do NOT have a warehouse of spare parts for my machines. But almost all
of them are a day or two away from online vendors.

Lloyd

On 2013-03-03, Lloyd E. Sponenburgh lloydspinsidemindspring.com wrote:
Gunner fired this volley in
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I am a Machine User..and am not in it for the sake of having Pretty
Stuff. Just Usable Stuff that gets the job done.


You don't get it. Most of my tools are heavily used, and show it. I can't
afford the time down to re-paint every machine that needs it. I also
can't afford the time each day to scrub every machine down with solvent
and/or soap and water. I clean up chips and coolant, clean out t-slots,
and generally make sure the machine is lubed and ready for another day.
Then I 'rag it down', and that's it. But my attitude about working parts
is about 'right', not 'pretty'.

Using bolts or golf balls for handles, using bungees to fasten loose
covers, clamping **** together with c-clamps instead of fixing the broken
weld that was supposed to do the job, bodged-on welds that could have
been nicely blended with just a lick of the angle grinder... that's the
kind of crap I hate.

Instead of wrapping baling wire around something to hold it on, replace
or FIX the damned thing. If you fix it, fix it right, so it looks as
good and works as well or better than the original part.

I have hundreds of golf balls in shag bags. They aren't machine parts.
I do NOT have a warehouse of spare parts for my machines. But almost all
of them are a day or two away from online vendors.

Lloyd

Amen!

On 3/1/2013 2:23 AM, Gunner wrote:
Im going through drawers and tool boxes and dug out my files. A good
75 or more of them, Mill files, knife files, rasps, half round,
triangular, square, cant mill *******s etc etc

Ive been keeping them in IBM punch card drawers...laid on top of each
other..not a good thing.

What method have yall found to be really good for storing files,
ready for use? About 1/3-1/2 have handles. I was at a swap meet some
years ago and bought some 20 or so Nicolson handles, all new red
plastic and have installed them on the most used files..and a bunch of
the other files came with handles.

Files run in length from 6"-20" long. Some of the woodworking rasps
are pretty big.

Many of the handles have holes in them so I could..could hang them
from spikes..but not all do.

I dont use files a hell of a lot..but when I do..I like em sharp and
not have to hunt for them.

Ive been the one to snag the files from machine shops that go out of
business..so I have a bunch of them, and a fair number of duplicates.

Oh..any good suggestions for sharpening the few that need it? I know
that many places dip them in acid. What kind and at what
concentration? A box of battery acid perhaps?

Thanks!

Gunner, back to file carding aluminum from some files (GACK!!) and a
bit of rust on one or 3


The methodology of the left has always been:

1. Lie
2. Repeat the lie as many times as possible
3. Have as many people repeat the lie as often as possible
4. Eventually, the uninformed believe the lie
5. The lie will then be made into some form oflaw
6. Then everyone must conform to the lie


I don't understand keeping dull files. I only use 3 or 4 different
files and keep the ones in use in a felt-lined wood tool chest drawer
along with a box of kid's sidewalk chalk and a file card. When a file
gets dull or I don't like the way it cuts anymore, I go to the cabinet
that has boxes of new files and pull one out! The old one goes in the
bin. Files are cheap, even the good ones that I buy by the dozen. I
figure that time is worth more. I guess a hobbyist one has time to fuss
with them and enjoy resurrecting them to 50% and be able to use them.

Sell all your old files to somebody that treasures them and buy and use
new ones as needed.

On Mar 1, 7:50*pm, John wrote:
wrote:
On Mar 1, 2:23 am, Gunner wrote:

What method have *yall found to be really good for storing files,
ready for use?

Many of the handles have holes in them so I could..could hang them
from spikes..but not all do.

Oh..any good suggestions for sharpening the few that need it? I know
that many places dip them in acid. What kind and at what
concentration? *A box of battery acid perhaps?

Thanks!

I have no good suggestions for storing.

As far as handles, I get golf balls at garage sales , drill a hole in
themo and use them for handles. *Maybe not as good as regular file
handles, but much better than no handle. *And the price is right.

Dan

PVC tubes mounted on the side of the workbench work for me to store
files. *remember to put a cap on the bottom end of the tube.

John- Hide quoted text -

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Have seen the PVC file rack in a few magazines. Just never had enough
room to put one up. My dad's place had a workbench with a file rack,
just a piece of lath tacked over some spacers at the bottom of the
tool rack on the wall. Wouldn't take a whole lot of weight and needed
a 1x2 below so the handleless ones didn't slip through but worked for
40 years. Small files got stuck tang-first into holes drilled in the
1x2.

Stan

"Transition Zone" wrote in message
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snip--
Also, after you wash your car, using muriatic acid on
the hub caps will give them such a shine that its like they will glow.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Why anyone in their right mind would use hydrochloric acid on anything they
didn't want to rust is beyond me. I give your idea a definite thumbs down.
The damage caused isn't worth the short lived shine.

Harold

"Transition Zone" wrote in message
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On Mar 1, 8:56 am, Ed Huntress wrote:
On Fri, 01 Mar 2013 05:41:07 -0600, "Lloyd E. Sponenburgh"

snip----

I hate having nitric anywhere in my house. I keep it in the
garage.

Yeah, the stuff and aluminum in any form can cause fires, too.
------------------------------------------------------------
Don't think so. Nitric (a strong oxidizer) does not dissolve aluminum,
therefore it (aluminum) does not contribute to fires.

Harold

On Sun, 03 Mar 2013 14:53:46 -0600, "Lloyd E. Sponenburgh"
lloydspinsidemindspring.com wrote:

Gunner fired this volley in
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I am a Machine User..and am not in it for the sake of having Pretty
Stuff. Just Usable Stuff that gets the job done.


You don't get it. Most of my tools are heavily used, and show it. I can't
afford the time down to re-paint every machine that needs it. I also
can't afford the time each day to scrub every machine down with solvent
and/or soap and water. I clean up chips and coolant, clean out t-slots,
and generally make sure the machine is lubed and ready for another day.
Then I 'rag it down', and that's it. But my attitude about working parts
is about 'right', not 'pretty'.



Using bolts or golf balls for handles, using bungees to fasten loose
covers, clamping **** together with c-clamps instead of fixing the broken
weld that was supposed to do the job, bodged-on welds that could have
been nicely blended with just a lick of the angle grinder... that's the
kind of crap I hate.

So using a golf ball as the end of a handle is the same as using
bungee cords to hold a cover in place. Interesting world view.


Instead of wrapping baling wire around something to hold it on, replace
or FIX the damned thing. If you fix it, fix it right, so it looks as
good and works as well or better than the original part.

Golf balls dont work as handle ends? Really?

I have hundreds of golf balls in shag bags. They aren't machine parts.
I do NOT have a warehouse of spare parts for my machines. But almost all
of them are a day or two away from online vendors.

Lloyd

I just remembered..the off/on knob on my Clausing 1500 lathe is a golf
ball too. The one down on the long traveling shifter. Perhaps I
should spend the $150 that Clausing wanted for the proper knob and
assembly

When can I expect your $150 donation?

VBG

Gunner

The methodology of the left has always been:

1. Lie
2. Repeat the lie as many times as possible
3. Have as many people repeat the lie as often as possible
4. Eventually, the uninformed believe the lie
5. The lie will then be made into some form oflaw
6. Then everyone must conform to the lie

Gunner fired this volley in
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Golf balls dont work as handle ends? Really?

Maybe they do. I wrote "looks as good and works as well or better".
They don't look 'right', and are not designed to be handles for an item
that requires relatively fine control. I'll bet they don't work as well
as a properly-attached file handle.

But you still don't get the point. Yeah... actually you probably do.

You seem to be trying real hard to make it sound like you'd rather NR
something just to get it behind you, than to take on the task of making
it right.

LLoyd

On Mar 4, 7:18*am, "Lloyd E. Sponenburgh"
lloydspinsidemindspring.com wrote:

Maybe they do. *I wrote "looks as good and works as well or better".
They don't look 'right', and are not designed to be handles for an item
that requires relatively fine control. *I'll bet they don't work as well
as a properly-attached file handle.


You seem to be trying real hard to make it sound like you'd rather NR
something just to get it behind you, than to take on the task of making
it right.

LLoyd

I look at golf balls as a spherical item made with a elastimor core
and a tough white covering textured for better grip. They may not
look as good to you, but I thunk they look better than the commercial
file handles and give better control than the commercial handles. I
do not like the commercial wood handles, as they do not clean off as
nicely as golf balls. I also prefer the spherical shape. I do admit
I would prefer a different color. So if I am the one doing the
judging, you lose your bet. But it is not something of great import.
If you like golf balls as file handles , use them. If you like the
commercial handles better, avoid using golf balls.



But I am curious about the abbreviation NR. Does not ring any bells
with me. And no one else has asked what it means, so i will. I am
guessing it is close to kludge.


Dan

On Mon, 04 Mar 2013 06:18:45 -0600, "Lloyd E. Sponenburgh"
lloydspinsidemindspring.com wrote:

Gunner fired this volley in
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Golf balls dont work as handle ends? Really?

Maybe they do. I wrote "looks as good and works as well or better".
They don't look 'right', and are not designed to be handles for an item
that requires relatively fine control. I'll bet they don't work as well
as a properly-attached file handle.

How much is the bet?

But you still don't get the point. Yeah... actually you probably do.

You seem to be trying real hard to make it sound like you'd rather NR
something just to get it behind you, than to take on the task of making
it right.

LLoyd

Indeed I am. For the same reason Ill use a brush and oil rather than
turning on the coolant pump when machining a part and having to do
much more cleanup afterwards.

Sometimes its simply not worth going the full monty.

Gunner

The methodology of the left has always been:

1. Lie
2. Repeat the lie as many times as possible
3. Have as many people repeat the lie as often as possible
4. Eventually, the uninformed believe the lie
5. The lie will then be made into some form oflaw
6. Then everyone must conform to the lie

Gunner fired this volley in
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Indeed I am.

Both,
Don, there's something to be said for "evolution of design". If
spherical handles worked better for files than the present general shape,
they'd be spherical by now.

Gunner, sloppy work habits yield sloppy work.

Lloyd

On Mar 4, 10:02*am, "Lloyd E. Sponenburgh"
lloydspinsidemindspring.com wrote:
Gunner fired this volley :

Indeed I am.

Both,
Don, there's something to be said for "evolution of design". *If
spherical handles worked better for files than the present general
shape,
they'd be spherical by now.

Gunner, sloppy work habits yield sloppy work.

Lloyd, I guess NR means "make shift". Now there are all range of
services out there and there is always that share of society that
caters to make shift, be it out of costs, time availability, etc...
But welcome to make shift (or re-welcome to it). I bet most of the
world is make shift. It will always be out there. Always has been,
always will. Barking at it won't do anyone any good for long.

Transition Zone fired this volley in news:99b63dc4-
:

Always has been,
always will. Barking at it won't do anyone any good for long.



Didn't really think it would, but when it's offered up as a "standard of
work", it evokes a response.

Lloyd

On Mar 4, 11:51*am, "Lloyd E. Sponenburgh"
lloydspinsidemindspring.com wrote:
Transition Zone fired this volley in news:99b63dc4-
:

Always has been,
always will. *Barking at it won't do anyone any good for long.

Didn't really think it would, but when it's offered up as a "standard of
work", it evokes a response.

I guess it all goes down to self worth. I shudder to think of some of
the environments, job sites, etc... that I've been in in the past.
You try to say things, but the response usually stays the same or gets
worse just to spite. But that's what you're going to find most every
place you go. Very few people choose to put their money and time on
the high road ... in anything.

Transition Zone fired this volley in news:d4d9009d-
:

Very few people choose to put their money and time on
the high road ... in anything.


My view is that if you're not willing to put your best work into
something for yourself, it says bad things about what you're willing to
do for your customers.

I, too, occasionally "haywire" a piece of equipment to keep it running
until I can complete a job. But when that job is done, a proper fix is
first thing on the agenda. Anything else says (as you implied),
"Anything that just 'gets by' is good enough for me." And it's not.

I'm not even close to being the best machinist I know, in terms of
machining skills. But I think I am the most conscientious one I know.
No customer ever gets a half-done job. They like that.

LLoyd

On Mar 4, 10:02*am, "Lloyd E. Sponenburgh"
lloydspinsidemindspring.com wrote:

Don, there's something to be said for "evolution of design". *If
spherical handles worked better for files than the present general shape,
they'd be spherical by now.


Lloyd

I am not so sure. I use a Dvorak keyboard layout and think it is
better than the querty or Sholes keyboard. Do you know the history of
the Sholes keyboard? Sholes made one of the earliest typewriters. It
was quite different from the typewriters of the 1960's. The keys
struck the paper on the bottom of the platten so the typist could not
see a word that had just been typed. It also did not use any springs
to speed up the return of the key. As a result a fast typist would
jam the keys. Sholes solution was to rearrange the letters on the
keyboard so that people could not type as fast. If evolution of
design really happened, the Querty keyboard would be history.


Dan

" wrote:

But I am curious about the abbreviation NR. Does not ring any bells
with me. And no one else has asked what it means, so i will. I am
guessing it is close to kludge.


I don't know what he means, but a lot of people use it to mark
equipment as "Not Repairable", and NER for "Not Economical (to) Repair".

On Mon, 04 Mar 2013 09:02:50 -0600, "Lloyd E. Sponenburgh"
lloydspinsidemindspring.com wrote:

Gunner fired this volley in
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Indeed I am.

Both,
Don, there's something to be said for "evolution of design". If
spherical handles worked better for files than the present general shape,
they'd be spherical by now.

Gunner, sloppy work habits yield sloppy work.

Which sloppy work habits are you referring to? Not sending Clausing
$150 for a bakelite knob and a cold rolled shaft?


Lloyd

The methodology of the left has always been:

1. Lie
2. Repeat the lie as many times as possible
3. Have as many people repeat the lie as often as possible
4. Eventually, the uninformed believe the lie
5. The lie will then be made into some form oflaw
6. Then everyone must conform to the lie

On Mon, 04 Mar 2013 11:27:46 -0600, "Lloyd E. Sponenburgh"
lloydspinsidemindspring.com wrote:

Transition Zone fired this volley in news:d4d9009d-
:

Very few people choose to put their money and time on
the high road ... in anything.


My view is that if you're not willing to put your best work into
something for yourself, it says bad things about what you're willing to
do for your customers.

I, too, occasionally "haywire" a piece of equipment to keep it running
until I can complete a job. But when that job is done, a proper fix is
first thing on the agenda. Anything else says (as you implied),
"Anything that just 'gets by' is good enough for me." And it's not.

I'm not even close to being the best machinist I know, in terms of
machining skills. But I think I am the most conscientious one I know.
No customer ever gets a half-done job. They like that.

LLoyd

So putting a golf ball on the end of a handle will ensure that a
customer gets a half-done job?

Perhaps at this point you should look up the term "anal retentive"

Gunner

The methodology of the left has always been:

1. Lie
2. Repeat the lie as many times as possible
3. Have as many people repeat the lie as often as possible
4. Eventually, the uninformed believe the lie
5. The lie will then be made into some form oflaw
6. Then everyone must conform to the lie

"Transition Zone" wrote in message
news:99b63dc4-7343-47b4-a631-
Lloyd, I guess NR means "make shift".

A hint to the clueless, the R is for Rigged.

Gunner on Mon, 04 Mar 2013 02:17:02 -0800 typed
in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:

Instead of wrapping baling wire around something to hold it on, replace
or FIX the damned thing. If you fix it, fix it right, so it looks as
good and works as well or better than the original part.

Golf balls dont work as handle ends? Really?

I have hundreds of golf balls in shag bags. They aren't machine parts.
I do NOT have a warehouse of spare parts for my machines. But almost all
of them are a day or two away from online vendors.

Lloyd

I just remembered..the off/on knob on my Clausing 1500 lathe is a golf
ball too. The one down on the long traveling shifter. Perhaps I
should spend the $150 that Clausing wanted for the proper knob and
assembly

There's a part of me which is thinking "Golf Ball?? Wouldn't
billiard balls be longer lasting?"

Well, tastes is tastes.
--
pyotr filipivich
"With Age comes Wisdom. Although more often, Age travels alone."

"pyotr filipivich" wrote in message
...

There's a part of me which is thinking "Golf Ball?? Wouldn't
billiard balls be longer lasting?"
pyotr filipivich

Shouldn't matter, as long as you hide the clubs.

On Mon, 4 Mar 2013 20:36:38 -0500, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote:

"pyotr filipivich" wrote in message
.. .

There's a part of me which is thinking "Golf Ball?? Wouldn't
billiard balls be longer lasting?"
pyotr filipivich

Shouldn't matter, as long as you hide the clubs.

Hey, a pool cue would cut down into quite a few file handles.
Heat the tang (no, not the Tang, you goons) to red hot and burn a hole
into the handle to properly seat it.

--
If more sane people were armed,
crazy people would get off fewer shots.
Support the 2nd Amendment

"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 4 Mar 2013 20:36:38 -0500, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote:

"pyotr filipivich" wrote in message
. ..

There's a part of me which is thinking "Golf Ball?? Wouldn't
billiard balls be longer lasting?"
pyotr filipivich

Shouldn't matter, as long as you hide the clubs.

Hey, a pool cue would cut down into quite a few file handles.
Heat the tang (no, not the Tang, you goons) to red hot and burn a
hole
into the handle to properly seat it.


I got lotsa handles made from scrap wood with pipe or tubing ferrules.

pyotr filipivich wrote:

Gunner on Mon, 04 Mar 2013 02:17:02 -0800 typed
in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:

Instead of wrapping baling wire around something to hold it on, replace
or FIX the damned thing. If you fix it, fix it right, so it looks as
good and works as well or better than the original part.

Golf balls dont work as handle ends? Really?

I have hundreds of golf balls in shag bags. They aren't machine parts.
I do NOT have a warehouse of spare parts for my machines. But almost all
of them are a day or two away from online vendors.

Lloyd

I just remembered..the off/on knob on my Clausing 1500 lathe is a golf
ball too. The one down on the long traveling shifter. Perhaps I
should spend the $150 that Clausing wanted for the proper knob and
assembly

There's a part of me which is thinking "Golf Ball?? Wouldn't
billiard balls be longer lasting?"


Use a bowling ball. They already have several sizes of holes for
mounting.

On Mon, 4 Mar 2013 22:57:58 -0500, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote:

"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
.. .
On Mon, 4 Mar 2013 20:36:38 -0500, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote:

"pyotr filipivich" wrote in message
...

There's a part of me which is thinking "Golf Ball?? Wouldn't
billiard balls be longer lasting?"
pyotr filipivich

Shouldn't matter, as long as you hide the clubs.

Hey, a pool cue would cut down into quite a few file handles.
Heat the tang (no, not the Tang, you goons) to red hot and burn a
hole
into the handle to properly seat it.


I got lotsa handles made from scrap wood with pipe or tubing ferrules.

Copper tubing works a treat for ferrules. Anything to help the wood.

I'm going to try the golf ball handle trick when Gunner's gaggle of
goodies reaches me. I think I have only 1 commercial handle left and
two wooden handles I made in the last century. g

--
If more sane people were armed,
crazy people would get off fewer shots.
Support the 2nd Amendment

On Tue, 05 Mar 2013 02:31:17 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:


pyotr filipivich wrote:

Gunner on Mon, 04 Mar 2013 02:17:02 -0800 typed
in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:

Instead of wrapping baling wire around something to hold it on, replace
or FIX the damned thing. If you fix it, fix it right, so it looks as
good and works as well or better than the original part.

Golf balls dont work as handle ends? Really?

I have hundreds of golf balls in shag bags. They aren't machine parts.
I do NOT have a warehouse of spare parts for my machines. But almost all
of them are a day or two away from online vendors.

Lloyd

I just remembered..the off/on knob on my Clausing 1500 lathe is a golf
ball too. The one down on the long traveling shifter. Perhaps I
should spend the $150 that Clausing wanted for the proper knob and
assembly

There's a part of me which is thinking "Golf Ball?? Wouldn't
billiard balls be longer lasting?"


Use a bowling ball. They already have several sizes of holes for
mounting.

I have several wrecking balls I'll try first, Mikey. /macho

--
If more sane people were armed,
crazy people would get off fewer shots.
Support the 2nd Amendment

"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 4 Mar 2013 22:57:58 -0500, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote:


I got lotsa handles made from scrap wood with pipe or tubing
ferrules.

Copper tubing works a treat for ferrules. Anything to help the
wood.

Yep, it's a good use for short scrap from replumbing. I also use
leftover EMT and aluminum tubing.
jsw

On Mar 4, 1:31*pm, "Jim Wilkins" wrote:
"Transition Zone" wrote in message

news:99b63dc4-7343-47b4-a631-
Lloyd, I guess NR means "make shift".

A hint to the clueless, the R is for Rigged.

OK, lemmie try to say this. I believe in the *Totally Politically
Correct*. So what occurs to you instantly won't occur to me all that
quickly. I don't like terms in such a negative light that constantly
refer to blacks, hispanics, jews and others.

Hey Gunner,

Just a comment.....I have about what you say, some of them from
similar sources. I did buy up the "remainder" of stock from a local
vendor that was switching brands some time ago, each individually
wrapped in protective paper, about 50 files for 50 bucks. Good deal !

Anyway, of the 50, I have about 10 "in use", and the remaining 40 or
so are still in the boxes they came in, in a drawer for files. The
really small files, Grobet rifflers etc. are in folders as they come.

I also have three files at each lathe, and they hang in slotted "spoon
racks" that I pick up at garage sales. Works a treat, and that's
where most of my filing is done with bigger (than the Grobet) files. I
don't seem to do a lot of bench filing by hand now that I think about
it. Guess I usually use a power tool !!!???

A friend has (all dimensions are guesses) about a 30" tall X 16" wide
per-panel X 4-sided free-standing "lazy-susan"(??) that stands on his
main work-bench. Each side has associated tools, pliers, wrenches,
screw-drivers, files & punches. Most of these are arranged so that
the "working" part is visible for easy selection. I won't try to go
into the actual construction, but each "row" on each "column" for the
tools can be removed and a "better" model put in its place quite
easily with just 4 screws. If I had room on top any bench, I'd build
one !!

Take care.

Brian Lawson,
Bothwell, Ontario.

XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX


On Thursday, February 28, 2013 11:23:25 PM UTC-8, Gunner wrote:

Im going through drawers and tool boxes and dug out my files....
Ive been keeping them in IBM punch card drawers...laid on top of each
other..not a good thing.

BIG SNIP

Larry Jaques wrote:

On Tue, 05 Mar 2013 02:31:17 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:


pyotr filipivich wrote:

Gunner on Mon, 04 Mar 2013 02:17:02 -0800 typed
in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:

Instead of wrapping baling wire around something to hold it on, replace
or FIX the damned thing. If you fix it, fix it right, so it looks as
good and works as well or better than the original part.

Golf balls dont work as handle ends? Really?

I have hundreds of golf balls in shag bags. They aren't machine parts.
I do NOT have a warehouse of spare parts for my machines. But almost all
of them are a day or two away from online vendors.

Lloyd

I just remembered..the off/on knob on my Clausing 1500 lathe is a golf
ball too. The one down on the long traveling shifter. Perhaps I
should spend the $150 that Clausing wanted for the proper knob and
assembly

There's a part of me which is thinking "Golf Ball?? Wouldn't
billiard balls be longer lasting?"


Use a bowling ball. They already have several sizes of holes for
mounting.

I have several wrecking balls I'll try first, Mikey. /macho


Let us know when you guys finish wrecking them.

On Tue, 5 Mar 2013 11:28:24 -0500, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote:

"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
.. .
On Mon, 4 Mar 2013 22:57:58 -0500, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote:


I got lotsa handles made from scrap wood with pipe or tubing
ferrules.

Copper tubing works a treat for ferrules. Anything to help the
wood.

Yep, it's a good use for short scrap from replumbing. I also use
leftover EMT and aluminum tubing.

Ooh, a stick of 1/2" EMT would make over 100, wouldn't it?
I'll have to remember this.

--
If more sane people were armed,
crazy people would get off fewer shots.
Support the 2nd Amendment

Larry Jaques wrote:

On Tue, 5 Mar 2013 11:28:24 -0500, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote:

"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
.. .
On Mon, 4 Mar 2013 22:57:58 -0500, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote:


I got lotsa handles made from scrap wood with pipe or tubing
ferrules.

Copper tubing works a treat for ferrules. Anything to help the
wood.

Yep, it's a good use for short scrap from replumbing. I also use
leftover EMT and aluminum tubing.

Ooh, a stick of 1/2" EMT would make over 100, wouldn't it?
I'll have to remember this.


Any big electrical contractors in your area? I had one offer to let
me leave a utility trailer at his storage lot for his crews to toss all
their scrap metal into.

On Wed, 06 Mar 2013 00:06:24 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:


Larry Jaques wrote:

On Tue, 5 Mar 2013 11:28:24 -0500, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote:

"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
.. .
On Mon, 4 Mar 2013 22:57:58 -0500, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote:


I got lotsa handles made from scrap wood with pipe or tubing
ferrules.

Copper tubing works a treat for ferrules. Anything to help the
wood.

Yep, it's a good use for short scrap from replumbing. I also use
leftover EMT and aluminum tubing.

Ooh, a stick of 1/2" EMT would make over 100, wouldn't it?
I'll have to remember this.


Any big electrical contractors in your area? I had one offer to let
me leave a utility trailer at his storage lot for his crews to toss all
their scrap metal into.

No, I don't think there are, but someone would probably steal both the
trailer and metal if I had a contractor or trailer handy. Thanks
anyway. I do have a bent tube of 1/2" EMT + a tubing cutter, though.

--
If more sane people were armed,
crazy people would get off fewer shots.
Support the 2nd Amendment

Larry Jaques wrote:

On Wed, 06 Mar 2013 00:06:24 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
? wrote:

?
?Larry Jaques wrote:
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?? On Tue, 5 Mar 2013 11:28:24 -0500, "Jim Wilkins"
?? ? wrote:
??
?? ?"Larry Jaques" ? wrote in message
?? .. .
?? ?? On Mon, 4 Mar 2013 22:57:58 -0500, "Jim Wilkins"
?? ?? ? wrote:
?? ??
?? ???
?? ???I got lotsa handles made from scrap wood with pipe or tubing
?? ???ferrules.
?? ??
?? ?? Copper tubing works a treat for ferrules. Anything to help the
?? ?? wood.
?? ?
?? ?Yep, it's a good use for short scrap from replumbing. I also use
?? ?leftover EMT and aluminum tubing.
??
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?? I'll have to remember this.
?
?
? Any big electrical contractors in your area? I had one offer to let
?me leave a utility trailer at his storage lot for his crews to toss all
?their scrap metal into.

No, I don't think there are, but someone would probably steal both the
trailer and metal if I had a contractor or trailer handy. Thanks
anyway. I do have a bent tube of 1/2" EMT + a tubing cutter, though.



There was a 12' chain link fence around the warehouse & offices where
they loccked up ther trucks at night. I got about five free trailer
loads, before I moved out of the area.

"Michael A. Terrell" on Tue, 05 Mar 2013
02:31:17 -0500 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:

pyotr filipivich wrote:

Gunner on Mon, 04 Mar 2013 02:17:02 -0800 typed
in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:

Instead of wrapping baling wire around something to hold it on, replace
or FIX the damned thing. If you fix it, fix it right, so it looks as
good and works as well or better than the original part.

Golf balls dont work as handle ends? Really?

I have hundreds of golf balls in shag bags. They aren't machine parts.
I do NOT have a warehouse of spare parts for my machines. But almost all
of them are a day or two away from online vendors.

Lloyd

I just remembered..the off/on knob on my Clausing 1500 lathe is a golf
ball too. The one down on the long traveling shifter. Perhaps I
should spend the $150 that Clausing wanted for the proper knob and
assembly

There's a part of me which is thinking "Golf Ball?? Wouldn't
billiard balls be longer lasting?"


Use a bowling ball. They already have several sizes of holes for
mounting.

You wouldn't miss it. Get one of the colored swirling patterns -
it would be striking!
--
pyotr filipivich
"With Age comes Wisdom. Although more often, Age travels alone."

pyotr filipivich wrote:

Michael A. Terrell wrote:

Use a bowling ball. They already have several sizes of holes for
mounting.

You wouldn't miss it. Get one of the colored swirling patterns -
it would be striking!


You better split, after that! ;-)

On Mon, 04 Mar 2013 17:26:31 -0800, pyotr filipivich
wrote:

Gunner on Mon, 04 Mar 2013 02:17:02 -0800 typed
in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:

Instead of wrapping baling wire around something to hold it on, replace
or FIX the damned thing. If you fix it, fix it right, so it looks as
good and works as well or better than the original part.

Golf balls dont work as handle ends? Really?

I have hundreds of golf balls in shag bags. They aren't machine parts.
I do NOT have a warehouse of spare parts for my machines. But almost all
of them are a day or two away from online vendors.

Lloyd

I just remembered..the off/on knob on my Clausing 1500 lathe is a golf
ball too. The one down on the long traveling shifter. Perhaps I
should spend the $150 that Clausing wanted for the proper knob and
assembly

There's a part of me which is thinking "Golf Ball?? Wouldn't
billiard balls be longer lasting?"

Well, tastes is tastes.
--
pyotr filipivich
"With Age comes Wisdom. Although more often, Age travels alone."

Snooker balls would be better as they are smaller than billiard balls.

Speaking of which..if anyone is interested in owning a very nice
Brunswick snooker table (5x10') with an ebony base and very thick
slate..an Admiral I believe..I have one for sale, complete with new
felt, new cushions, well restored balls AND a matching set of billiard
balls, cues, racks and a Ball Polisher!!

Make me an offer over $5k and Ill consider it.

Gunner

The methodology of the left has always been:

1. Lie
2. Repeat the lie as many times as possible
3. Have as many people repeat the lie as often as possible
4. Eventually, the uninformed believe the lie
5. The lie will then be made into some form oflaw
6. Then everyone must conform to the lie