No significant metal comment.

Will check back after the elections.

Jim Stewart wrote:

No significant metal comment.

Will check back after the elections.


Later, Tater!

"Jim Stewart"
No significant metal comment.

Will check back after the elections.

I hear ya... Cleaned out my RCM file this
morning, just checked again and 137
new ones were posted and only 7 made
it through my filters and only one of them
was On Topic. ;)}
phil k

I agree, not a lot of metal working. I'm part of
the problem, and I ought to do better. My
apologies, sorry, Jim.

Vote Republican, the job you save may be
your own.

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
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"Jim Stewart" wrote in message
...
No significant metal comment.

Will check back after the elections.

"Jim Stewart" wrote in message
...
No significant metal comment.

You could start a splinter group.

Jim Wilkins wrote:

"Jim Stewart" wrote in message
...
No significant metal comment.

You could start a splinter group.

news:alt.rec.crafts.metalworking is almost dead.

On 10/5/2012 12:24 PM, Jim Stewart wrote:
No significant metal comment.

It's gummer dweeber's fault.


Will check back after the elections.

Not a metal splinter group? Those hurt.

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
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"Jim Wilkins" wrote in message
...
"Jim Stewart" wrote in message
...
No significant metal comment.

You could start a splinter group.

Jim Stewart wrote:

No significant metal comment.

Will check back after the elections.

There is still metal content, you just need a better filter.

"Michael A. Terrell" wrote:

Jim Wilkins wrote:

"Jim Stewart" wrote in message
...
No significant metal comment.

You could start a splinter group.

news:alt.rec.crafts.metalworking is almost dead.

Wouldn't that be a sliver group?

"Jim Stewart" wrote in message
...
No significant metal comment.

Will check back after the elections.

I have been busy DOING metalwork.

Steve

On 2012-10-05, Pete C. wrote:

Jim Stewart wrote:

No significant metal comment.

Will check back after the elections.

There is still metal content, you just need a better filter.

I see almost no political junk. I filtered out all crossposts and some
people.

i

On Fri, 05 Oct 2012 18:36:25 -0500, "Pete C."
wrote:


"Michael A. Terrell" wrote:

Jim Wilkins wrote:

"Jim Stewart" wrote in message
...
No significant metal comment.

You could start a splinter group.

news:alt.rec.crafts.metalworking is almost dead.

Wouldn't that be a sliver group?

Wouldn't a silver group be on-topic?

--
Doctors prescribe medicine of which they know little,
to cure diseases of which they know less,
in human beings of which they know nothing.
--Francois-Marie Arouet Voltaire, about 250 years ago

On Fri, 5 Oct 2012 18:00:31 -0400, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote:

"Jim Stewart" wrote in message
...
No significant metal comment.

You could start a splinter group.

That is the woodworking newsgroup. I gave it up years ago -
too much yap about crappy tools

On Oct 5, 2:24*pm, Jim Stewart wrote:
No significant metal comment.

Will check back after the elections.

Give it a month after the elections.

It will take at least a month for the conservatives to quit bitching
and whining about their loss.

Have a good vacation.

TMT

"Pete C." wrote:

"Michael A. Terrell" wrote:

Jim Wilkins wrote:

"Jim Stewart" wrote in message
...
No significant metal comment.

You could start a splinter group.

news:alt.rec.crafts.metalworking is almost dead.

Wouldn't that be a sliver group?


I would hope so, but some people think that anything that shape is a
splinter.

wrote:

That is the woodworking newsgroup. I gave it up years ago -
too much yap about crappy tools


Poor craftstmen always blame their tools.

Steve B wrote:

"Jim Stewart" wrote in message
...
No significant metal comment.

Will check back after the elections.

I have been busy DOING metalwork.


So have several cities around here. One is removing an old water
tower, and another just removed their old 'Space Needle' ride. About a
half million pounds of scrap steel, in total.

On Sat, 06 Oct 2012 02:04:46 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:


Steve B wrote:

"Jim Stewart" wrote in message
...
No significant metal comment.

Will check back after the elections.

I have been busy DOING metalwork.


So have several cities around here. One is removing an old water
tower, and another just removed their old 'Space Needle' ride. About a
half million pounds of scrap steel, in total.

Looks like another load to China.


The methodology of the left has always been:

1. Lie
2. Repeat the lie as many times as possible
3. Have as many people repeat the lie as often as possible
4. Eventually, the uninformed believe the lie
5. The lie will then be made into some form oflaw
6. Then everyone must conform to the lie

"Michael A. Terrell" on Sat, 06 Oct 2012
02:02:30 -0400 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:

wrote:

That is the woodworking newsgroup. I gave it up years ago -
too much yap about crappy tools

Poor craftstmen always blame their tools.

But sometimes, it is the crappy tool.
--
pyotr
Go not to the Net for answers, for it will tell you Yes and no. And
you are a bloody fool, only an ignorant cretin would even ask the
question, forty two, 47, the second door, and how many blonde lawyers
does it take to change a lightbulb.

Gunner wrote:

On Sat, 06 Oct 2012 02:04:46 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
? wrote:

?
?Steve B wrote:
??
?? "Jim Stewart" ? wrote in message
?? ...
?? ? No significant metal comment.
?? ?
?? ? Will check back after the elections.
??
?? I have been busy DOING metalwork.
?
?
? So have several cities around here. One is removing an old water
?tower, and another just removed their old 'Space Needle' ride. About a
?half million pounds of scrap steel, in total.

Looks like another load to China.


Probably. No steel mills around here. A lot leaves from the port of
Tampa.

pyotr filipivich wrote:

"Michael A. Terrell" ? on Sat, 06 Oct 2012
02:02:30 -0400 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
?
wrote:
?? ?
?? That is the woodworking newsgroup. I gave it up years ago -
?? too much yap about crappy tools
?
? Poor craftstmen always blame their tools.

But sometimes, it is the crappy tool.


What kind of craftsman owns crappy tools? ;-)

On Sat, 06 Oct 2012 04:30:52 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:


pyotr filipivich wrote:

"Michael A. Terrell" ? on Sat, 06 Oct 2012
02:02:30 -0400 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
?
wrote:
?? ?
?? That is the woodworking newsgroup. I gave it up years ago -
?? too much yap about crappy tools
?
? Poor craftstmen always blame their tools.

But sometimes, it is the crappy tool.


What kind of craftsman owns crappy tools? ;-)

Those in need of better tools?


The methodology of the left has always been:

1. Lie
2. Repeat the lie as many times as possible
3. Have as many people repeat the lie as often as possible
4. Eventually, the uninformed believe the lie
5. The lie will then be made into some form oflaw
6. Then everyone must conform to the lie

"pyotr filipivich" wrote in message
...
"Michael A. Terrell" on Sat, 06 Oct 2012
02:02:30 -0400 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:

wrote:

That is the woodworking newsgroup. I gave it up years ago -
too much yap about crappy tools

Poor craftstmen always blame their tools.

But sometimes, it is the crappy tool.
--
pyotr

I was at Lowes recently, it was sad to see that Porter Cable is now
positioned below Dewalt as an economy line of tools. Reportedly they still
have a professional line.

"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message
...
wrote:

That is the woodworking newsgroup. I gave it up years ago -
too much yap about crappy tools

Poor craftstmen always blame their tools.

That saying predates Chinese imports.

I bought four 21" Fiskars pruning saw replacement blades at HD and the
first one I installed twisted sideways and jammed, because the teeth
were about half a millimeter shorter on one side. I had to joint, set
and file it to make it cut right. At least the flame-hardened teeth
are soft enough to file. Two of the blades look nearly OK.
jsw

On Sat, 06 Oct 2012 04:30:52 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:


pyotr filipivich wrote:

"Michael A. Terrell" ? on Sat, 06 Oct 2012
02:02:30 -0400 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
?
wrote:
?? ?
?? That is the woodworking newsgroup. I gave it up years ago -
?? too much yap about crappy tools
?
? Poor craftstmen always blame their tools.

But sometimes, it is the crappy tool.


What kind of craftsman owns crappy tools? ;-)

What craftsman has never made a mistake in purchasing? Ya buys yer
tools and ya takes yer chances. The crappy tools become backups once
you come to your senses. Or not.

I have a Makita impact driver but my old Ryobi drill motor is the
second one I've owned because they work so damned well for so little
money.

Ofttimes, the Ryobi will be used to drill pilots and the impact does
the work.

OTOH, there are Sears tools and Sears horsepower ratings...

--
Doctors prescribe medicine of which they know little,
to cure diseases of which they know less,
in human beings of which they know nothing.
--Francois-Marie Arouet Voltaire, about 250 years ago

"Gunner" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 06 Oct 2012 04:30:52 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:


pyotr filipivich wrote:

"Michael A. Terrell" ? on Sat, 06 Oct
2012
02:02:30 -0400 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
?
wrote:
?? ?
?? That is the woodworking newsgroup. I gave it up years ago -
?? too much yap about crappy tools
?
? Poor craftstmen always blame their tools.

But sometimes, it is the crappy tool.


What kind of craftsman owns crappy tools? ;-)

Those in need of better tools?

I keep the good tools in the house and bought cheap ones for the
vehicles and the shed out back. Many of the shed tools have bright
orange handles to make them easier to round up after building
something out in the woods.

I took the $5 orange-handled claw hammer to a neighbor's deck-building
party where the pro carpenters snickered at it, but soon were
borrowing it. I had reground the striking face to the shape and angle
I learned from the old Swedish cabinetmaker who taught high-school
shop class.
jsw

On 10/6/2012 1:02 AM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:

wrote:

That is the woodworking newsgroup. I gave it up years ago -
too much yap about crappy tools


Poor craftstmen always blame their tools.

Sounds like the voice of management.

I prefer "a workman is only as good as his tools". I've worked for a few
places that expected quality work from worn out or just plain poor
quality tooling. Garbage in, garbage out.

David

"David R. Birch" wrote

Sounds like the voice of management.

I prefer "a workman is only as good as his tools". I've worked for a few
places that expected quality work from worn out or just plain poor quality
tooling. Garbage in, garbage out.

David

Funny. I seem to recall cathedrals and churches that have been standing for
hundreds of years made with wooden squares and inferior metal chisels. I
disagree that "a workman is only as good as his tools." Freeing a stuck
piece of pipe and getting the machine to work again happens whether you are
using a Ridgid pipe wrench or a HF Chinese POS. Too many men I have seen
have become overconfident by owning good tools, and like computers, the tool
will do so much more than the operator knows how to make it do. You show me
a craftsman that knows EVERY trick and variance to using all the tools in
his box, and I will show you one damn fine craftsman.

And then there's the rest of us. We all have tools in our toolchests and
garages that we don't fully understand how to use, or barely know how to
operate.

Steve

"Michael A. Terrell" on Sat, 06 Oct 2012
04:30:52 -0400 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:

pyotr filipivich wrote:

"Michael A. Terrell" ? on Sat, 06 Oct 2012
02:02:30 -0400 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
?
wrote:
?? ?
?? That is the woodworking newsgroup. I gave it up years ago -
?? too much yap about crappy tools
?
? Poor craftstmen always blame their tools.

But sometimes, it is the crappy tool.

What kind of craftsman owns crappy tools? ;-)

either "cheap" craftsmen, or crafty guys, who need something to
loam out, which they don't mind not getting back.

My dad once went to fix something at his mother in laws. She
still had her husbands tools. Lots of screw drivers. All "founds"
from by the side of the road. (Fred 'd been a road worker for a
while.) And Dad found out why they were all "finds" - nobody cared to
make sure they had been packed up when they left.

So yeah, sometimes you have crappy tools, so you can afford to
forget them.

tschus
pyotr

OTOH, it doesn't take many forgotten $1 yard sale knives or
flashlights to equal the one good one you would keep track of.


--
pyotr
Go not to the Net for answers, for it will tell you Yes and no. And
you are a bloody fool, only an ignorant cretin would even ask the
question, forty two, 47, the second door, and how many blonde lawyers
does it take to change a lightbulb.

On 2012-10-06, Steve B wrote:

"Jim Stewart" wrote in message
...
No significant metal comment.

Will check back after the elections.

I have been busy DOING metalwork.

I *was* -- converting my old Bridgeport BOSS-3 to newer DC servo
motors and LinuxCNC (was EMC2) control -- until the BiJur lubricator
started a fire. Now I'm waiting for the insurance company to pull
everything out and evaluate it -- and rip out the drywall and replace it
after checking the wiring. Burning a liter of Vactra No. 2 in a closed
2-car garage really makes a mess. :-(

Enjoy,
DoN.

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Gunner wrote:

Michael A. Terrell wrote:

What kind of craftsman owns crappy tools? ;-)

Those in need of better tools?


So they can keep doing crappy work?

On 2012-10-06, Michael A. Terrell wrote:

pyotr filipivich wrote:

"Michael A. Terrell" ? on Sat, 06 Oct 2012
02:02:30 -0400 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
?
wrote:
?? ?
?? That is the woodworking newsgroup. I gave it up years ago -
?? too much yap about crappy tools
?
? Poor craftstmen always blame their tools.

But sometimes, it is the crappy tool.


What kind of craftsman owns crappy tools? ;-)

A "Sears Craftsman" these days? :-)

They *used* to be a lot better. (E.g back in the late 1960s and
early 1970s.

Enjoy,
DoN.

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Larry Jaques wrote:

On Sat, 06 Oct 2012 04:30:52 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:


pyotr filipivich wrote:

"Michael A. Terrell" ? on Sat, 06 Oct 2012
02:02:30 -0400 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
?
wrote:
?? ?
?? That is the woodworking newsgroup. I gave it up years ago -
?? too much yap about crappy tools
?
? Poor craftstmen always blame their tools.

But sometimes, it is the crappy tool.


What kind of craftsman owns crappy tools? ;-)

What craftsman has never made a mistake in purchasing? Ya buys yer
tools and ya takes yer chances. The crappy tools become backups once
you come to your senses. Or not.

I have a Makita impact driver but my old Ryobi drill motor is the
second one I've owned because they work so damned well for so little
money.

Ofttimes, the Ryobi will be used to drill pilots and the impact does
the work.

OTOH, there are Sears tools and Sears horsepower ratings...


I have some crap tools, but I didn't buy them. They were in the
bottom of free boxes of junk electronics I picked up for parts. Early
Japanese imports that make everything at HF look like they are made for
top notch machinists. One of these days I'll dig them out & take
photos.

Jim Wilkins wrote:

"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message
...
wrote:

That is the woodworking newsgroup. I gave it up years ago -
too much yap about crappy tools

Poor craftstmen always blame their tools.

That saying predates Chinese imports.

I bought four 21" Fiskars pruning saw replacement blades at HD and the
first one I installed twisted sideways and jammed, because the teeth
were about half a millimeter shorter on one side. I had to joint, set
and file it to make it cut right. At least the flame-hardened teeth
are soft enough to file. Two of the blades look nearly OK.


I've pretty much given up on HD. There are plenty of real tool
dealers around here, and one that repairs almost any brand of
professional power tool.

"David R. Birch" wrote:

On 10/6/2012 1:02 AM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:

wrote:

That is the woodworking newsgroup. I gave it up years ago -
too much yap about crappy tools


Poor craftstmen always blame their tools.

Sounds like the voice of management.

I prefer "a workman is only as good as his tools". I've worked for a few
places that expected quality work from worn out or just plain poor
quality tooling. Garbage in, garbage out.


That's a personal choice. I've left companies like that and found
work where they gave a damn about quality.

Steve B wrote:

"David R. Birch" wrote

Sounds like the voice of management.

I prefer "a workman is only as good as his tools". I've worked for a few
places that expected quality work from worn out or just plain poor quality
tooling. Garbage in, garbage out.

David

Funny. I seem to recall cathedrals and churches that have been standing for
hundreds of years made with wooden squares and inferior metal chisels.


They weren't inferior for thier time, or the application, or the
buildings would have never been finished. If those chisels weren't
properly heat treated, they couldn't cut stone, or shape wood beams.
Who says a wood square can't be accurate? They weren't working to a
mil. 1/4" was probably closer than they needed.


I
disagree that "a workman is only as good as his tools." Freeing a stuck
piece of pipe and getting the machine to work again happens whether you are
using a Ridgid pipe wrench or a HF Chinese POS.


I've seen cheap Chinese POS pipe wrenches strip the teeth out of the
jaws on first use.


Too many men I have seen
have become overconfident by owning good tools, and like computers, the tool
will do so much more than the operator knows how to make it do. You show me
a craftsman that knows EVERY trick and variance to using all the tools in
his box, and I will show you one damn fine craftsman.


No one knows everything, but a true craftsman will always be on the
lookout for a better way to do a job.


And then there's the rest of us. We all have tools in our toolchests and
garages that we don't fully understand how to use, or barely know how to
operate.


Sorry about that, but I can use every tool I have. Not that I have
access to all trhe machine tools I used to use.

"DoN. Nichols" wrote:

Michael A. Terrell wrote:

What kind of craftsman owns crappy tools? ;-)

A "Sears Craftsman" these days? :-)

They *used* to be a lot better. (E.g back in the late 1960s and
early 1970s.


I gave up on Sears tools 20 years ago. I can't bring myself to call
them by the 'C' word.

On 2012-10-06, DoN. Nichols wrote:
On 2012-10-06, Steve B wrote:

"Jim Stewart" wrote in message
...
No significant metal comment.

Will check back after the elections.

I have been busy DOING metalwork.

I *was* -- converting my old Bridgeport BOSS-3 to newer DC servo
motors and LinuxCNC (was EMC2) control -- until the BiJur lubricator
started a fire. Now I'm waiting for the insurance company to pull
everything out and evaluate it -- and rip out the drywall and replace it
after checking the wiring. Burning a liter of Vactra No. 2 in a closed
2-car garage really makes a mess. :-(


I heard about it, did not know that it was you, very sorry to hear
that, I hope that everything recovers.

i

On 2012-10-06, Ignoramus14555 wrote:
On 2012-10-06, DoN. Nichols wrote:

[ ... ]

I have been busy DOING metalwork.

I *was* -- converting my old Bridgeport BOSS-3 to newer DC servo
motors and LinuxCNC (was EMC2) control -- until the BiJur lubricator
started a fire. Now I'm waiting for the insurance company to pull
everything out and evaluate it -- and rip out the drywall and replace it
after checking the wiring. Burning a liter of Vactra No. 2 in a closed
2-car garage really makes a mess. :-(


I heard about it, did not know that it was you, very sorry to hear
that, I hope that everything recovers.

Thanks. It will be probably a couple of months before I know
what the status of everything is.

If you want to see just how much of a mess burning a liter of
Vactra No. 2 makes, take a look he

http://www.d-and-d.com/DISASTER/SHOP-1/index.html

I can't really spend much time in there with my asthma and all
the burnt oil and plastic fumes. (Including whatever the leftover from
burning Teflon insulation may happen to be.)

Thanks,
DoN.

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