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[OT] Stunning WWII manufacturing photos
http://pavel-kosenko.livejournal.com...hread=22669914
Each photo is 500 KB to 700 KB. Just excellent. --Winston |
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: http://pavel-kosenko.livejournal.com...hread=22669914 Each photo is 500 KB to 700 KB. Just excellent. I think it's important to repeat what someone else wrote earlier, and to make another point. 1) The "excellent" pictures you're viewing are in greatly-reduced- resolution digital representations of the real 4x5 transparencies. 2) The excellence comes from exquisitely skilled lighting, composition, and framing, along with appropriate selection of subjects. Anybody with a 10Mp camera can produce pictures with that _clarity_, but most wouldn't likely be able to convey the _message_ with that clarity. LLoyd |
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On Wed, 21 Mar 2012 19:16:14 -0400, Wes
wrote: wrote: sorry, I disagree, you would not be able to do the same quality with a 10Mp camera, take those shots with the 4x5 and a 10mp put them side by side, you would not have that depth Most digicams don't work well with high numerical f stops. Thus, properly lighted, a 4x5 camera will have greater depth of field than a digicam. It was one of the first things I learned when I went with compact digital cameras. Wes, as a guy with two 4x5 cameras and 15 magazine covers behind me, you'll have one hell of a time getting a lot of depth of field with a 4x5. When I've had to, it's been f/64 and use the swings and tilts. I've also used an 8x10 Calumet for some trade-show Translites for Casio. That sucker really shows you how depth of field disappears with large sheet film. When someone talks about "depth" in photography, I think of the things that give the impression of actual, physical depth. Others have pointed to expert lighting, and that's a big part of it. Kodachrome also has (had) a slight inherent edge effect, which gives the impression of more depth. And people like me, who made his living for a while silver-masking Kodachrome slides, can tell you about another edge effect. Or you can use Unsharp Masking in Photoshop and get almost the same thing. Anyway, it's there. But it's probably all lost in conversion to a moderate-res digital copy for the Web. You'd have to blow it up and look really close. -- Ed Huntress Some day, I'd like to own a DSLR with a 24x36 mm sensor, then what I learned on will be relevant again. Just my opinion, Wes |
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Ed Huntress fired this volley in
: When I've had to, it's been f/64 and use the swings and tilts. I've also used an 8x10 Calumet for some trade-show Translites for Casio. That sucker really shows you how depth of field disappears with large sheet film. Yeah... I had a Press Graffix 4x5 with a film-pack back. It could do some sweet portrait work, though! Lloyd |
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On Wed, 21 Mar 2012 19:02:40 -0500, "Lloyd E. Sponenburgh"
lloydspinsidemindspring.com wrote: Ed Huntress fired this volley in : When I've had to, it's been f/64 and use the swings and tilts. I've also used an 8x10 Calumet for some trade-show Translites for Casio. That sucker really shows you how depth of field disappears with large sheet film. Yeah... I had a Press Graffix 4x5 with a film-pack back. It could do some sweet portrait work, though! Lloyd You have more patience than I do. I used my Speed Graphic for some in-the-field shots for American Machinist, but I shot covers with a Calumet 4x5 monorail. They were mostly tricky machine shots -- often multiple exposures -- which the shutters excelled at. And I did a lot of tabletop work for McGraw-Hill book company, freelance, before the M-H publications company hired me. But silver-masking actually paid better. It was a pretty obscure darkroom skill, and I had work coming out my ears. Again, that was when I was first freelancing. When I ended that period, my wife says my eyes had shrunk to little dots from spending full days in the darkroom. d8-) -- Ed Huntress |
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In article , huntres23
@optonline.net says... On Wed, 21 Mar 2012 19:16:14 -0400, Wes wrote: wrote: sorry, I disagree, you would not be able to do the same quality with a 10Mp camera, take those shots with the 4x5 and a 10mp put them side by side, you would not have that depth Most digicams don't work well with high numerical f stops. Thus, properly lighted, a 4x5 camera will have greater depth of field than a digicam. It was one of the first things I learned when I went with compact digital cameras. Wes, as a guy with two 4x5 cameras and 15 magazine covers behind me, you'll have one hell of a time getting a lot of depth of field with a 4x5. When I've had to, it's been f/64 and use the swings and tilts. I've also used an 8x10 Calumet for some trade-show Translites for Casio. That sucker really shows you how depth of field disappears with large sheet film. When someone talks about "depth" in photography, I think of the things that give the impression of actual, physical depth. Others have pointed to expert lighting, and that's a big part of it. Kodachrome also has (had) a slight inherent edge effect, which gives the impression of more depth. And people like me, who made his living for a while silver-masking Kodachrome slides, can tell you about another edge effect. Or you can use Unsharp Masking in Photoshop and get almost the same thing. Anyway, it's there. But it's probably all lost in conversion to a moderate-res digital copy for the Web. You'd have to blow it up and look really close. Dunno where the killfile resident gets the idea that digital cameras don't work well at high f stops. My 30d works very nicely at any f stop that any of my lenses can achieve. On the other hand, the performance of the lenses is compromised by diffraction at small apertures, but that affects any type of sensor. But if you want a mighty ****load of depth of field, go for one of the little point-and-shoots. |
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On Wed, 21 Mar 2012 23:12:36 -0400, "J. Clarke"
wrote: In article , huntres23 says... On Wed, 21 Mar 2012 19:16:14 -0400, Wes wrote: wrote: sorry, I disagree, you would not be able to do the same quality with a 10Mp camera, take those shots with the 4x5 and a 10mp put them side by side, you would not have that depth Most digicams don't work well with high numerical f stops. Thus, properly lighted, a 4x5 camera will have greater depth of field than a digicam. It was one of the first things I learned when I went with compact digital cameras. Wes, as a guy with two 4x5 cameras and 15 magazine covers behind me, you'll have one hell of a time getting a lot of depth of field with a 4x5. When I've had to, it's been f/64 and use the swings and tilts. I've also used an 8x10 Calumet for some trade-show Translites for Casio. That sucker really shows you how depth of field disappears with large sheet film. When someone talks about "depth" in photography, I think of the things that give the impression of actual, physical depth. Others have pointed to expert lighting, and that's a big part of it. Kodachrome also has (had) a slight inherent edge effect, which gives the impression of more depth. And people like me, who made his living for a while silver-masking Kodachrome slides, can tell you about another edge effect. Or you can use Unsharp Masking in Photoshop and get almost the same thing. Anyway, it's there. But it's probably all lost in conversion to a moderate-res digital copy for the Web. You'd have to blow it up and look really close. Dunno where the killfile resident gets the idea that digital cameras don't work well at high f stops. My 30d works very nicely at any f stop that any of my lenses can achieve. On the other hand, the performance of the lenses is compromised by diffraction at small apertures, but that affects any type of sensor. But if you want a mighty ****load of depth of field, go for one of the little point-and-shoots. My cell phone does well at that, too. d8-) I sent Wes a photo I shot with my crappy cell phone (a dumb phone, not a smart one) a couple of years ago. It has even sharpness from the right pectoral fin of the bluefish all the way to Staten Island. It must have a teeny little sensor but a little unsharp masking makes the fish pop pretty well. -- Ed Huntress |
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On Sun, 18 Mar 2012 16:51:32 -0700, Winston
wrote: http://pavel-kosenko.livejournal.com...hread=22669914 Each photo is 500 KB to 700 KB. Check out the photo captioned (about number 26 down the page): ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "October 1942. "Thousands of North American Aviation employees at Inglewood, California, look skyward as the bomber and fighter planes they helped build perform overhead during a lunch period air show. This plant produces the battle-tested B-25 'Billy Mitchell' bomber, used in General Doolittle's raid on Tokyo, and the P-51 'Mustang' fighter plane, which was first brought into prominence by the British raid on Dieppe." ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lots of black bags under those folks' eyes. They look like they are busting ass working long hours on not much sleep. Factory probably going non-stop 24/7. Dave |
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What struck me, not many of them looking skyward.
Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. wrote in message ... On Sun, 18 Mar 2012 16:51:32 -0700, Winston wrote: http://pavel-kosenko.livejournal.com...hread=22669914 Each photo is 500 KB to 700 KB. Check out the photo captioned (about number 26 down the page): ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "October 1942. "Thousands of North American Aviation employees at Inglewood, California, look skyward as the bomber and fighter planes they helped build perform overhead during a lunch period air show. This plant produces the battle-tested B-25 'Billy Mitchell' bomber, used in General Doolittle's raid on Tokyo, and the P-51 'Mustang' fighter plane, which was first brought into prominence by the British raid on Dieppe." ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lots of black bags under those folks' eyes. They look like they are busting ass working long hours on not much sleep. Factory probably going non-stop 24/7. Dave |
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On Mar 19, 8:48*am, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote: What struck me, not many of them looking skyward. Even in 1942, they were probably smart enough to not do the show directly above all those workers they needed... Many do seem to be looking up at a low angle, but then again, most of the other pictures were clearly "posed" for so the photographer may have just said "hey, everyone look over there!" |
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Winston wrote:
http://pavel-kosenko.livejournal.com...hread=22669914 Each photo is 500 KB to 700 KB. Just excellent. --Winston That was worth the time I spent viewing it. From a time when exposing a 4x5 sheet of color film was expensive enough to warrant spending the time to get composition and lighting correct. Wes -- "Additionally as a security officer, I carry a gun to protect government officials but my life isn't worth protecting at home in their eyes." Dick Anthony Heller |
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