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Leak in a Hyster forklift
One of my forklift leaks. I would say, 3 ounces per night. Here is
what I know: 1) The fluid is red colored 2) It does not seem to leak much when it is working 3) It occurs in the middle of the lift, closer to the back. Not from the mast. It was hard to say where it comes from due to dirt inside. I power washed it today with hot water, and it may help with locating the source, but I want to check what are the most likely culprits. i |
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: One of my forklift leaks. I would say, 3 ounces per night. Here is what I know: I couldn't tell you what Hyster uses for that model (or even the model, since you didn't include it). HOWEVER, a lot of hydraulic implements use common Type-F Automatic Transmission Fluid as the hydraulic oil. (some use common motor oil, too. There are actually a few that use 'real' hydraulic fluid, proper.) Have you ever checked the color of the oil in the "fill here" port? LLoyd |
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On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 18:20:00 -0500, Ignoramus21579
wrote: One of my forklift leaks. I would say, 3 ounces per night. Here is what I know: 1) The fluid is red colored 2) It does not seem to leak much when it is working 3) It occurs in the middle of the lift, closer to the back. Not from the mast. It was hard to say where it comes from due to dirt inside. I power washed it today with hot water, and it may help with locating the source, but I want to check what are the most likely culprits. ATF (auto trans fluid) and PS (power steering) fluid were usually red waaaay back when I wrenched. Now, PS fluids are all colors. Watch your steering fluid level and your hydraulic tank level, checking each for their color as you go. Let us know what you find out. -- The greatest justice in life is that your vision and looks tend to go simultaneously. -- Kevin Bacon |
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jeff fired this volley in
: Most likely transmission fluid. Fluid is cooled through the radiator so it could be at any point to and from the tranny. Most fork lifts are hydraulically driven. If they have a transmission at all, its a manual job just to change the ratio between the traction motor and the drive wheels -- but usually they do not have a tranny at all. Likely as not, the red fluid IS the hydraulic fluid for the whole machine -- lift, drive motors, steering, everything. A lot of hydrostatic drive machines use Type-F ATF as the primary working fluid. LLoyd |
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On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 18:20:00 -0500, Ignoramus21579
wrote: One of my forklift leaks. I would say, 3 ounces per night. Here is what I know: 1) The fluid is red colored 2) It does not seem to leak much when it is working 3) It occurs in the middle of the lift, closer to the back. Not from the mast. It was hard to say where it comes from due to dirt inside. I power washed it today with hot water, and it may help with locating the source, but I want to check what are the most likely culprits. i If it makes you feel better, my hyster leaks here too. Mine comes out the hole in the bell housing. I'm pretty sure it the torque converter. I got a bid of $2000 to fix it. I do a lot of my own maintenance but not too exicted about taking a forklift apart. I park mine on the dirt, now the leak don't bother me. There just one oil for hyster, does both tranny and hydraulics. karl |
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: Iggy has a Hyster. Knowing the model would be helpfull but being a Hyster tech I'll wing it. If you're a Hyster tech, I'll defer to your judgement. Lloyd |
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If it makes you feel better, my hyster leaks here too. Mine comes out the hole in the bell housing. I'm pretty sure it the torque converter. I got a bid of $2000 to fix it. I do a lot of my own maintenance but not too exicted about taking a forklift apart. Its a big job. are you sure that it's not coming from on top of the tranny. I've seen oil flow a ways before it drips out of the bell housing I park mine on the dirt, now the leak don't bother me. don't park it near your well if you have one There just one oil for hyster, does both tranny and hydraulics. Not so karl Sounds like you're an expert. Something I could use. This is my second shyster, the first leaked at the converter and I never knew it had a tranny fluid separate. A guy offered more than it was worth and it went down the road. This one is a manual with oil clutch, model 4000H, I think. It leaks at the bell housing too. Plus the clutch won't totally disengage even after adjusting the linkage as much as I dare. I can speed shift it but not get off with it in neutral and then put it back in gear. have to turn the engine off. maybe not that bad a deal but can be a pain. How do you get to the clutch? Do you pull the huge counter weight off, then lift the engine out? I'd actually prefer to fix up this old gal. Its got gasoline, pneumatic tires, and is just the right size for my needs. Karl |
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jeff wrote: On Sat, 17 Mar 2012 09:33:13 -0500, "Lloyd E. Sponenburgh" lloydspinsidemindspring.com wrote: jeff fired this volley in : Iggy has a Hyster. Knowing the model would be helpfull but being a Hyster tech I'll wing it. If you're a Hyster tech, I'll defer to your judgement. Lloyd Thank you sir. It really is difficult to trobleshoot something without a bit more info that Iggy has provided. I do enjoy electronics and metalworking and greatly enjoy your post. Didn't Iggy mention this was a model with some sort of hydrostatic drive a single pedal for forward and reverse? |
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On 2012-03-17, jeff wrote:
On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 18:20:00 -0500, Ignoramus21579 wrote: One of my forklift leaks. I would say, 3 ounces per night. Here is what I know: 1) The fluid is red colored 2) It does not seem to leak much when it is working 3) It occurs in the middle of the lift, closer to the back. Not from the mast. It was hard to say where it comes from due to dirt inside. I power washed it today with hot water, and it may help with locating the source, but I want to check what are the most likely culprits. i Most likely transmission fluid. Fluid is cooled through the radiator so it could be at any point to and from the tranny. A model and serial prefix would help I think that you got it. It's got to be trans fluid. This is a Hyster S50E, Serial D002D13868G. i i |
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On 2012-03-17, jeff wrote:
On Sat, 17 Mar 2012 09:33:13 -0500, "Lloyd E. Sponenburgh" lloydspinsidemindspring.com wrote: jeff fired this volley in m: Iggy has a Hyster. Knowing the model would be helpfull but being a Hyster tech I'll wing it. If you're a Hyster tech, I'll defer to your judgement. Lloyd Thank you sir. It really is difficult to trobleshoot something without a bit more info that Iggy has provided. I do enjoy electronics and metalworking and greatly enjoy your post. Jeff, I want to say that I GREATLY appreciate your contribution! i |
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On 2012-03-17, Karl Townsend wrote:
If it makes you feel better, my hyster leaks here too. Mine comes out the hole in the bell housing. I'm pretty sure it the torque converter. I got a bid of $2000 to fix it. I do a lot of my own maintenance but not too exicted about taking a forklift apart. Its a big job. are you sure that it's not coming from on top of the tranny. I've seen oil flow a ways before it drips out of the bell housing I park mine on the dirt, now the leak don't bother me. don't park it near your well if you have one There just one oil for hyster, does both tranny and hydraulics. Not so karl Sounds like you're an expert. Something I could use. This is my second shyster, the first leaked at the converter and I never knew it had a tranny fluid separate. A guy offered more than it was worth and it went down the road. This one is a manual with oil clutch, model 4000H, I think. It leaks at the bell housing too. Plus the clutch won't totally disengage even after adjusting the linkage as much as I dare. I can speed shift it but not get off with it in neutral and then put it back in gear. have to turn the engine off. maybe not that bad a deal but can be a pain. How do you get to the clutch? Do you pull the huge counter weight off, then lift the engine out? I'd actually prefer to fix up this old gal. Its got gasoline, pneumatic tires, and is just the right size for my needs. Karl Mine appears to leak near the starter, I must underscore APPEARS, as it may be leaking elsewhere. Hyster S50E. i |
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On 2012-03-17, jeff wrote:
On Sat, 17 Mar 2012 09:10:06 -0500, Karl Townsend wrote: On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 18:20:00 -0500, Ignoramus21579 wrote: One of my forklift leaks. I would say, 3 ounces per night. Here is what I know: 1) The fluid is red colored 2) It does not seem to leak much when it is working 3) It occurs in the middle of the lift, closer to the back. Not from the mast. It was hard to say where it comes from due to dirt inside. I power washed it today with hot water, and it may help with locating the source, but I want to check what are the most likely culprits. i If it makes you feel better, my hyster leaks here too. Mine comes out the hole in the bell housing. I'm pretty sure it the torque converter. I got a bid of $2000 to fix it. I do a lot of my own maintenance but not too exicted about taking a forklift apart. Its a big job. are you sure that it's not coming from on top of the tranny. I've seen oil flow a ways before it drips out of the bell housing I park mine on the dirt, now the leak don't bother me. don't park it near your well if you have one There just one oil for hyster, does both tranny and hydraulics. Not so karl Jeff, I looked more closely after I washed it yesterday. I jacked it up a little bit. The leak is, almost definitely, near where the starter connects to the motor/bell housing, and unlikely to be above that area, I think that it is at the bottom or so of the starter connection. i |
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Sad that there are a few here in RCM that will typically contradict all
other opinions and insist on posting misinformation, until they're addressed by someone with an actual working background and experience in a field, comes along to post the correct information. Ig should tear down his lift to find the leak just for the experience, if nothing else. Or.. he could figure out how to check the lift's fluids (all of 'em) to determine an accurate assessment of how much is leaking per day/week. Then he should be able to make sure the fluid levels are checked regularly and topped off.. or have the lift properly repaired. Unlike many other situations where the truck's purchase cost and repair costs/down time could be a significant factor, Ig can probably find a replacement truck without suffering a huge loss of money or down time. I prefer repairing my own stuff.. that way one knows what they have, and that the repairs were done correctly (but I don't even do my own car repairs anymore, mainly because I don't need to). -- WB .......... "jeff" wrote in message ... On Sat, 17 Mar 2012 12:59:39 -0500, Ignoramus13020 wrote: Jeff, I looked more closely after I washed it yesterday. I jacked it up a little bit. The leak is, almost definitely, near where the starter connects to the motor/bell housing, and unlikely to be above that area, I think that it is at the bottom or so of the starter connection. Iggy, first of let me set the record straight. My desired work is on electric lifts... less tools less dirty work :-) Although I can, I try not to work IC trucks. I am a road tech and as such the transmission leak would be classified as a shop job. With that being said, I have never had this transmission apart so I can't tell you where to start. That there may be several causes for a leak in your machine. This means its going need to come apart to repair it. Again its a shop job because it requires special tooling. You could probably get it apart to see what's leaking but that's going to require either pulling the counter weight and then pulling the engine, tranny as an assemble or pulling the mast and drive axle. Either way its a costly job. Sorry I don't have a better answer. Jeff |
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On 2012-03-18, Wild_Bill wrote:
Sad that there are a few here in RCM that will typically contradict all other opinions and insist on posting misinformation, until they're addressed by someone with an actual working background and experience in a field, comes along to post the correct information. Ig should tear down his lift to find the leak just for the experience, if nothing else. Or.. he could figure out how to check the lift's fluids (all of 'em) to determine an accurate assessment of how much is leaking per day/week. Then he should be able to make sure the fluid levels are checked regularly and topped off.. or have the lift properly repaired. Unlike many other situations where the truck's purchase cost and repair costs/down time could be a significant factor, Ig can probably find a replacement truck without suffering a huge loss of money or down time. I prefer repairing my own stuff.. that way one knows what they have, and that the repairs were done correctly (but I don't even do my own car repairs anymore, mainly because I don't need to). WB, while I generally agree with what you say, I am also wary of tearing into stuff that I do not understand. This does not work out well every time, unfortunately. There is a lot of variables and unknowns here. I saw a discussion where someone said that the problem was not leaky transmission case, but instead, the fact that trans oil was sprayed where it was not supposed to go. http://www.justanswer.com/heavy-equi...ans-fluid.html If the above opinion was true and correct, tearnig the forklift apart would not necessarily lead me to success. i |
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Jeff, look at this discussion:
http://www.justanswer.com/heavy-equi...ans-fluid.html This is a newsgroup post, actually, web spammed by justanswers. The problem mentioned was hydraulic leak near the starter from a Hyster S50E, just like what I have. What the guy there is saying, is that the problem was not leaky transmission, but the fact that some spraying tube was not pointed right, or some such. Any comments? i |
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The leak does not work, but the web page was there. I "printed it to
PDF" and saved it he http://igor.chudov.com/tmp/Hyster-H5...JustAnswer.pdf i On 2012-03-18, Ignoramus32296 wrote: Jeff, look at this discussion: http://www.justanswer.com/heavy-equi...ans-fluid.html This is a newsgroup post, actually, web spammed by justanswers. The problem mentioned was hydraulic leak near the starter from a Hyster S50E, just like what I have. What the guy there is saying, is that the problem was not leaky transmission, but the fact that some spraying tube was not pointed right, or some such. Any comments? i |
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On 2012-03-18, Ignoramus32296 wrote:
The leak does not work, but the web page was there. I "printed it to I mean the LINK does not work, for some reason. PDF" and saved it he http://igor.chudov.com/tmp/Hyster-H5...JustAnswer.pdf i On 2012-03-18, Ignoramus32296 wrote: Jeff, look at this discussion: http://www.justanswer.com/heavy-equi...ans-fluid.html This is a newsgroup post, actually, web spammed by justanswers. The problem mentioned was hydraulic leak near the starter from a Hyster S50E, just like what I have. What the guy there is saying, is that the problem was not leaky transmission, but the fact that some spraying tube was not pointed right, or some such. Any comments? i |
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On Mar 18, 8:00*am, Ignoramus32296 ignoramus32...@NOSPAM.
32296.invalid wrote: On 2012-03-18, Wild_Bill wrote: Sad that there are a few here in RCM that will typically contradict all other opinions and insist on posting misinformation, until they're addressed by someone with an actual working background and experience in a field, comes along to post the correct information. Ig should tear down his lift to find the leak just for the experience, if nothing else. Or.. he could figure out how to check the lift's fluids (all of 'em) to determine an accurate assessment of how much is leaking per day/week. Then he should be able to make sure the fluid levels are checked regularly and topped off.. or have the lift properly repaired. Unlike many other situations where the truck's purchase cost and repair costs/down time could be a significant factor, Ig can probably find a replacement truck without suffering a huge loss of money or down time. I prefer repairing my own stuff.. that way one knows what they have, and that the repairs were done correctly (but I don't even do my own car repairs anymore, mainly because I don't need to). WB, while I generally agree with what you say, I am also wary of tearing into stuff that I do not understand. This does not work out well every time, unfortunately. There is a lot of variables and unknowns here. I saw a discussion where someone said that the problem was not leaky transmission case, but instead, the fact that trans oil was sprayed where it was not supposed to go. http://www.justanswer.com/heavy-equi...h50f-sci.elect... If the above opinion was true and correct, tearnig the forklift apart would not necessarily lead me to success. i- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - There's a fairly simple way of checking what's leaking and where, and that's UV dye that can be had at NAPA. There are types that can be had that are both water- and oil-soluble and flouresce in different colors. I use a UV scorpion light for looking, it's just a UV flashlight and can be found pretty cheaply online. If you've got multiple possibilities, you add the dye to one possible source at a time, then check for leaks. I've used this system for ATF, engine oil, power steering, and coolant, works great. Finds the drip-a-day ones, too. Sometimes it's as simple as a clamp that's hidden and needs tightening. In another case, it was a radiator damaged at a lower corner but didn't look like it. Glowed like a demon, though. You just have to make sure the dye gets cleaned off before finding the NEXT leak. Stan |
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On 2012-03-18, jeff wrote:
On Sun, 18 Mar 2012 09:51:11 -0500, Ignoramus32296 wrote: On 2012-03-18, Ignoramus32296 wrote: The leak does not work, but the web page was there. I "printed it to I mean the LINK does not work, for some reason. PDF" and saved it he http://igor.chudov.com/tmp/Hyster-H5...JustAnswer.pdf i On 2012-03-18, Ignoramus32296 wrote: Jeff, look at this discussion: http://www.justanswer.com/heavy-equi...ans-fluid.html This is a newsgroup post, actually, web spammed by justanswers. The problem mentioned was hydraulic leak near the starter from a Hyster S50E, just like what I have. What the guy there is saying, is that the problem was not leaky transmission, but the fact that some spraying tube was not pointed right, or some such. Any comments? i Iggy, The link didn't work but I was able to backtrack to get to it. The pdf link should work. let me get this straight, your truck has a powershift transmission (no clutch) with a monotrol pedal. Three oil lines leaving side of the pedal going to the control valve on the tranny. yes! I'm not going to get to this untill tomorrow or tuesday. I will have a chat with a fellow tech who has way more experience than me on transmissions jeff, you are the most awesome human being, thanks a lot. |
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And.. that was why I suggested that it's a matter of keeping all the fluids
topped off, every day. This was a routine included in everyday checks before the daylight shift started using the trucks (IC and electric types) when I was doing industrial maintenance. It's not only a good idea from a maintenance/service position, but also as a matter of safety. Otherwise, some worker may hop on a truck after sitting overnight and run it across the shop without seeing the big puddle of brake fluid underneath it. So, for you at least, just keeping the fluids topped off probably wouldn't cost much.. until another forklift bargain comes along. I didn't realize I'd have to spell it out for you. Nothing is maintenance-free.. if you want a forklift that doesn't require you to repair or maintain it, you'll likely need to buy a new one with an on-site maintenance, service and repair contract. Your save of that pfd still doesn't seem to werk. And you should know, there is a lot of inaccurate info posted to web forums.. like adding some miracle product to the oil to stop a leak. Cottage cheese and pepper is good. -- WB .......... "Ignoramus32296" wrote in message ... On 2012-03-18, Wild_Bill wrote: Sad that there are a few here in RCM that will typically contradict all other opinions and insist on posting misinformation, until they're addressed by someone with an actual working background and experience in a field, comes along to post the correct information. Ig should tear down his lift to find the leak just for the experience, if nothing else. Or.. he could figure out how to check the lift's fluids (all of 'em) to determine an accurate assessment of how much is leaking per day/week. Then he should be able to make sure the fluid levels are checked regularly and topped off.. or have the lift properly repaired. Unlike many other situations where the truck's purchase cost and repair costs/down time could be a significant factor, Ig can probably find a replacement truck without suffering a huge loss of money or down time. I prefer repairing my own stuff.. that way one knows what they have, and that the repairs were done correctly (but I don't even do my own car repairs anymore, mainly because I don't need to). WB, while I generally agree with what you say, I am also wary of tearing into stuff that I do not understand. This does not work out well every time, unfortunately. There is a lot of variables and unknowns here. I saw a discussion where someone said that the problem was not leaky transmission case, but instead, the fact that trans oil was sprayed where it was not supposed to go. http://www.justanswer.com/heavy-equi...ans-fluid.html If the above opinion was true and correct, tearnig the forklift apart would not necessarily lead me to success. i |
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: I'm not going to get to this untill tomorrow or tuesday. I will have a chat with a fellow tech who has way more experience than me on transmissions Might that not be a hydrostatic traction drive? LLoyd |
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On 3/18/2012 1:03 PM, jeff wrote:
.... By the way, I was checking out your ebay stuff and saw that marklift sizzor lift. If you end up selling that them make sure that you hold no responsibility on it. I had to investigate one falling over one time hurting two employees of a business I service. It was their responsibility to do and ANSI and annual inspection on it. No one did it and when the two operators were 20" up with a maybe too large load one of the worn out signor ear bushings blew out. Over she went... not a pretty picture in a busy warehouse. I bought a JLG 40H thru a broker (in FL) which was locate in Chicago area. It was my understanding then that IL _required_ a currently-valid OSHA check on the unit before it could be sold as operational. I don't know the details specifically; I do know the unit had indeed had a recertification and a couple of small repairs to equipment (like the backup beeper replaced) before it was sold. It's another of those things that could be a gotcha' Ig needs to check if is so or not or whether he can disclaim any knowledge/responsibility/liability in that regard or not. -- |
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On 2012-03-18, jeff wrote:
On Sun, 18 Mar 2012 12:29:46 -0500, Ignoramus32296 wrote: On 2012-03-18, jeff wrote: On Sun, 18 Mar 2012 09:51:11 -0500, Ignoramus32296 wrote: On 2012-03-18, Ignoramus32296 wrote: The leak does not work, but the web page was there. I "printed it to I mean the LINK does not work, for some reason. PDF" and saved it he http://igor.chudov.com/tmp/Hyster-H5...JustAnswer.pdf i On 2012-03-18, Ignoramus32296 wrote: Jeff, look at this discussion: http://www.justanswer.com/heavy-equi...ans-fluid.html This is a newsgroup post, actually, web spammed by justanswers. The problem mentioned was hydraulic leak near the starter from a Hyster S50E, just like what I have. What the guy there is saying, is that the problem was not leaky transmission, but the fact that some spraying tube was not pointed right, or some such. Any comments? i Iggy, The link didn't work but I was able to backtrack to get to it. The pdf link should work. nope error 401 I had to backspace to your temp folder and go from there Good. Here's an easier link: http://igor.chudov.com/tmp/Hyster-H50F.pdf let me get this straight, your truck has a powershift transmission (no clutch) with a monotrol pedal. Three oil lines leaving side of the pedal going to the control valve on the tranny. yes! I'm not going to get to this untill tomorrow or tuesday. I will have a chat with a fellow tech who has way more experience than me on transmissions jeff, you are the most awesome human being, thanks a lot. \ GEEEEEZZZZZZZZZZZ Like DUDE.... your welcome :-) I am out of my expertise with trannys by will do my best. I'm just trying to help in an area I'm familiar with. Awesome! The serial number is this: D002D13868G, if anyone needs it. By the way, I was checking out your ebay stuff and saw that marklift sizzor lift. If you end up selling that them make sure that you hold no responsibility on it. I had to investigate one falling over one time hurting two employees of a business I service. Yep. It was their responsibility to do and ANSI and annual inspection on it. No one did it and when the two operators were 20" up with a maybe too large load one of the worn out signor ear bushings blew out. Over she went... not a pretty picture in a busy warehouse. Scary! I do have a language that it is sold as is and it is the buyer's responsibility to conduct a professional safety evaluation. i |
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On 3/18/2012 2:49 PM, Ignoramus32296 wrote:
.... Scary! I do have a language that it is sold as is and it is the buyer's responsibility to conduct a professional safety evaluation. But are you certain that's enough? NB--I'm not saying it isn't; only that there was at least an implication to me that it was at least required to be current if not reinspected before a sale on the manlift. That assurance was the only reason I was willing to take a chance on it sight unseen--figured if it passed OSHA at least it had to be functional to start with... There are so many ways liabilities can be passed backwards I'd want to be sure I knew any legal requirements before transferring title. -- |
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Please recheck your model and serial # and I can give you a better diagnoses. jeff It says model H40F oil clutch serial B3D 7623P Thanks for helping Karl |
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dpb fired this volley in news:jk5jd9$ekl$1
@speranza.aioe.org: NB--I'm not saying it isn't; only that there was at least an implication DANG! That's the _ONLY_ time I've ever seen anyone but me issue a "nota bene"! GOOD on ya'! LLoyd |
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dpb wrote: On 3/18/2012 1:03 PM, jeff wrote: ... By the way, I was checking out your ebay stuff and saw that marklift sizzor lift. If you end up selling that them make sure that you hold no responsibility on it. I had to investigate one falling over one time hurting two employees of a business I service. It was their responsibility to do and ANSI and annual inspection on it. No one did it and when the two operators were 20" up with a maybe too large load one of the worn out signor ear bushings blew out. Over she went... not a pretty picture in a busy warehouse. I bought a JLG 40H thru a broker (in FL) which was locate in Chicago area. It was my understanding then that IL _required_ a currently-valid OSHA check on the unit before it could be sold as operational. I don't know the details specifically; I do know the unit had indeed had a recertification and a couple of small repairs to equipment (like the backup beeper replaced) before it was sold. It's another of those things that could be a gotcha' Ig needs to check if is so or not or whether he can disclaim any knowledge/responsibility/liability in that regard or not. -- "Sold as-is for parts only. Buyer acknowledges that it is their responsibility to comply with all regulations and inspections if the unit is placed into service." |
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On 3/18/2012 5:15 PM, Pete C. wrote:
.... "Sold as-is for parts only. Buyer acknowledges that it is their responsibility to comply with all regulations and inspections if the unit is placed into service." Good try... Not sure if that'll fly or not if push came to shove. The only two Marklift scissors I currently can find on eBay in the general neighborhood of Chicago (where I think iggy is?) are one from a clear handler of such equipment that promises a current ANSI compliance certification and the appropriate user manuals, safety instructions, etc., with it just like the broker from FL w/ whom I dealt. The other is from a general retailer site storefront (I can't tell if it's Iggy or not; no hints in that direction I see, anyway) that doesn't have any such promises but says "...used scissor lift in good working condition, needs nothing ready to work today..." which would make me nervous as seller unless it did have up-to-date certification and I had ensured myself I had dotted all the tee's and crossed all the eye's of whatever regulations are applicable. -- |
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dpb wrote: On 3/18/2012 5:15 PM, Pete C. wrote: ... "Sold as-is for parts only. Buyer acknowledges that it is their responsibility to comply with all regulations and inspections if the unit is placed into service." Good try... Not sure if that'll fly or not if push came to shove. The only two Marklift scissors I currently can find on eBay in the general neighborhood of Chicago (where I think iggy is?) are one from a clear handler of such equipment that promises a current ANSI compliance certification and the appropriate user manuals, safety instructions, etc., with it just like the broker from FL w/ whom I dealt. The other is from a general retailer site storefront (I can't tell if it's Iggy or not; no hints in that direction I see, anyway) that doesn't have any such promises but says "...used scissor lift in good working condition, needs nothing ready to work today..." which would make me nervous as seller unless it did have up-to-date certification and I had ensured myself I had dotted all the tee's and crossed all the eye's of whatever regulations are applicable. -- Search for "mark industries scissor" to find Iggy's. |
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On 2012-03-19, jeff wrote:
On Sun, 18 Mar 2012 14:49:18 -0500, Ignoramus32296 wrote: On 2012-03-18, jeff wrote: On Sun, 18 Mar 2012 12:29:46 -0500, Ignoramus32296 wrote: On 2012-03-18, jeff wrote: On Sun, 18 Mar 2012 09:51:11 -0500, Ignoramus32296 wrote: On 2012-03-18, Ignoramus32296 wrote: The leak does not work, but the web page was there. I "printed it to I mean the LINK does not work, for some reason. PDF" and saved it he http://igor.chudov.com/tmp/Hyster-H5...JustAnswer.pdf i On 2012-03-18, Ignoramus32296 wrote: Jeff, look at this discussion: http://www.justanswer.com/heavy-equi...ans-fluid.html This is a newsgroup post, actually, web spammed by justanswers. The problem mentioned was hydraulic leak near the starter from a Hyster S50E, just like what I have. What the guy there is saying, is that the problem was not leaky transmission, but the fact that some spraying tube was not pointed right, or some such. Any comments? i Iggy, The link didn't work but I was able to backtrack to get to it. The pdf link should work. nope error 401 I had to backspace to your temp folder and go from there Good. Here's an easier link: http://igor.chudov.com/tmp/Hyster-H50F.pdf let me get this straight, your truck has a powershift transmission (no clutch) with a monotrol pedal. Three oil lines leaving side of the pedal going to the control valve on the tranny. yes! I'm not going to get to this untill tomorrow or tuesday. I will have a chat with a fellow tech who has way more experience than me on transmissions jeff, you are the most awesome human being, thanks a lot. \ GEEEEEZZZZZZZZZZZ Like DUDE.... your welcome :-) I am out of my expertise with trannys by will do my best. I'm just trying to help in an area I'm familiar with. Awesome! The serial number is this: D002D13868G, if anyone needs it. By the way, I was checking out your ebay stuff and saw that marklift sizzor lift. If you end up selling that them make sure that you hold no responsibility on it. I had to investigate one falling over one time hurting two employees of a business I service. Yep. It was their responsibility to do and ANSI and annual inspection on it. No one did it and when the two operators were 20" up with a maybe too large load one of the worn out signor ear bushings blew out. Over she went... not a pretty picture in a busy warehouse. Scary! I do have a language that it is sold as is and it is the buyer's responsibility to conduct a professional safety evaluation. i Iggy, I am very sorry for opening up a can of worms with the Marklift. I would just hate to have you go through the hassles of someone getting hurt if that thing should go over on its side shortly after you sell it. I have not ANSI'ed a Marklift in a long time but I am certified to do so. Do yourself a favor before that thing leaves your yard. Jack up all four wheels and check for any slop in the spindles and steer rods. These will fail at the most inopportune time. Set it back down on the ground and use the aux raise switch to raise the platform up of its home position a few feet. When in that position, grab a pry bar that is long enough to give you leverage but will still fit between the ears/pivots of all the arms. If you notice any play when you pry on each point the truck wouldn't pass inspection without a total teadown. Doing these two checks would at least make me comfortable. Once it leaves your yard all bets are off as to what the new owner might do stupidly. As a dealer we would have to do a thorough inspection on this unit and at that would cost more than the unit is worth I would not pass the data plate because of its condition. As a side note, the capacity on this thing is 1000lbs in optimal shape, throw a couple 200lb men on it with whatever other load while in a raised position and then roll one wheel into a hole or over a 2X4 and stand back, thats when **** will hit the pervervial fan. contact me off line if you wish. Just add "bell" after my name in the headers of this post. Off to bed jeff Jeff, I used it to have my guy do compressed air piping near the ceiling. I instructed him, in no uncertain terms, that he is NOT allowed to move this lift in a raised position. That is, he should lower himself, move the lift, and only then go up to the ceiling. I think that the lift being unstable in a raised position, if it hits a pothole at a high enough speed, is a basic property of any lift, its center of gravity and the wheelbase. So, the question is, as a seller of a used lift, what is my "duty of care", that is, what am I legally required to do to ensure buyer safety. I do not believe that I am required to perform an inspection, since I am not equipped with tools or knowledge to do so. I am, certainly, required to 1) disclose all known defects and, possibly, 2) to warn the buyer to conduct a safety inspection prior to using this scissor lift. i i i |
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Ignoramus32296 wrote: On 2012-03-19, jeff wrote: On Sun, 18 Mar 2012 14:49:18 -0500, Ignoramus32296 wrote: On 2012-03-18, jeff wrote: On Sun, 18 Mar 2012 12:29:46 -0500, Ignoramus32296 wrote: On 2012-03-18, jeff wrote: On Sun, 18 Mar 2012 09:51:11 -0500, Ignoramus32296 wrote: On 2012-03-18, Ignoramus32296 wrote: The leak does not work, but the web page was there. I "printed it to I mean the LINK does not work, for some reason. PDF" and saved it he http://igor.chudov.com/tmp/Hyster-H5...JustAnswer.pdf i On 2012-03-18, Ignoramus32296 wrote: Jeff, look at this discussion: http://www.justanswer.com/heavy-equi...ans-fluid.html This is a newsgroup post, actually, web spammed by justanswers. The problem mentioned was hydraulic leak near the starter from a Hyster S50E, just like what I have. What the guy there is saying, is that the problem was not leaky transmission, but the fact that some spraying tube was not pointed right, or some such. Any comments? i Iggy, The link didn't work but I was able to backtrack to get to it. The pdf link should work. nope error 401 I had to backspace to your temp folder and go from there Good. Here's an easier link: http://igor.chudov.com/tmp/Hyster-H50F.pdf let me get this straight, your truck has a powershift transmission (no clutch) with a monotrol pedal. Three oil lines leaving side of the pedal going to the control valve on the tranny. yes! I'm not going to get to this untill tomorrow or tuesday. I will have a chat with a fellow tech who has way more experience than me on transmissions jeff, you are the most awesome human being, thanks a lot. \ GEEEEEZZZZZZZZZZZ Like DUDE.... your welcome :-) I am out of my expertise with trannys by will do my best. I'm just trying to help in an area I'm familiar with. Awesome! The serial number is this: D002D13868G, if anyone needs it. By the way, I was checking out your ebay stuff and saw that marklift sizzor lift. If you end up selling that them make sure that you hold no responsibility on it. I had to investigate one falling over one time hurting two employees of a business I service. Yep. It was their responsibility to do and ANSI and annual inspection on it. No one did it and when the two operators were 20" up with a maybe too large load one of the worn out signor ear bushings blew out. Over she went... not a pretty picture in a busy warehouse. Scary! I do have a language that it is sold as is and it is the buyer's responsibility to conduct a professional safety evaluation. i Iggy, I am very sorry for opening up a can of worms with the Marklift. I would just hate to have you go through the hassles of someone getting hurt if that thing should go over on its side shortly after you sell it. I have not ANSI'ed a Marklift in a long time but I am certified to do so. Do yourself a favor before that thing leaves your yard. Jack up all four wheels and check for any slop in the spindles and steer rods. These will fail at the most inopportune time. Set it back down on the ground and use the aux raise switch to raise the platform up of its home position a few feet. When in that position, grab a pry bar that is long enough to give you leverage but will still fit between the ears/pivots of all the arms. If you notice any play when you pry on each point the truck wouldn't pass inspection without a total teadown. Doing these two checks would at least make me comfortable. Once it leaves your yard all bets are off as to what the new owner might do stupidly. As a dealer we would have to do a thorough inspection on this unit and at that would cost more than the unit is worth I would not pass the data plate because of its condition. As a side note, the capacity on this thing is 1000lbs in optimal shape, throw a couple 200lb men on it with whatever other load while in a raised position and then roll one wheel into a hole or over a 2X4 and stand back, thats when **** will hit the pervervial fan. contact me off line if you wish. Just add "bell" after my name in the headers of this post. Off to bed jeff Jeff, I used it to have my guy do compressed air piping near the ceiling. I instructed him, in no uncertain terms, that he is NOT allowed to move this lift in a raised position. That is, he should lower himself, move the lift, and only then go up to the ceiling. Slow, straight line movement is pretty safe since the height to base width ratio front to back is pretty good. It's when you try to turn or hit that floor drain and tilt to the side where the height to base width ratio is much worst that things get iffy. I think that the lift being unstable in a raised position, if it hits a pothole at a high enough speed, is a basic property of any lift, its center of gravity and the wheelbase. Well, the scissors type lifts with their pretty large height to width ratio are certainly far less tolerant of potholes or recessed floor drains than other types of lifts. The boom type lifts have much more counterweight and a larger footprint as well as a suspension system to accommodate some amount of uneven surface. As a general rule I feel safer on the boom lifts. |
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On 3/18/2012 9:09 PM, Ignoramus32296 wrote:
.... So, the question is, as a seller of a used lift, what is my "duty of care", that is, what am I legally required to do to ensure buyer safety. I do not believe that I am required to perform an inspection, since I am not equipped with tools or knowledge to do so. I am, certainly, required to 1) disclose all known defects and, possibly, 2) to warn the buyer to conduct a safety inspection prior to using this scissor lift. As an individual I don't believe there's a legal obligation other than that of any individual in trade (essentially your last points). As a business entity is where, as noted before, I'm not so certain. Again as stated before, it was certainly strongly implied to me before that before the manlift I bought could be sold in IL it had to have a current certification. Now, it's quite possible that that is/was either: a) A corporate policy of the particular broker/dealer (essentially a CYA position), b) A requirement that is only applicable to recognized dealers of personnel lifting equipment and their ilk, or c) Simply a misunderstanding and there really is no requirement. I'd be quite certain that the argument in the first paragraph above would not fly if there really is a requirement--the requirement would be such that it would be the responsibility to see it got done, not _who_, specifically, did it. If it required an outside vendor to supply the surface wouldn't relieve the burden of not meeting the requirement. I'd be in the position of trying to ascertain which case is actually applicable or whether the disclaimer is actually sufficient; it's one of those things that I'm personally somewhat anal about in trying to ensure that I don't have a liability that is potentially quite large looming. For example, I've had many requests about using the manlift but have adamantly refused other than to volunteer to do some work with it myself for various non-profits, etc., in town. But loan/rent it out? Not gonna' happen. -- |
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On 3/19/2012 12:35 PM, dpb wrote:
.... I'd be quite certain that the argument in the first paragraph above would not fly if there really is a requirement--the requirement would be such that it would be the responsibility to see it got done, not _who_, specifically, did it. If it required an outside vendor to supply the surface wouldn't relieve the burden of not meeting the requirement. .... Dang I hate it when I do that... "surface" should be "service", of course. -- |
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replying to Ignoramus32296, jefferyray wrote:
i have a 16000lb lift id say late 70s model cant find any numbers or tagsbut here goes my problem, over night a good 5 gallons of tranny fluid dumps on the ground but not while running. im thinking there might be a check valve that holds fluid in the mast thats faulty . its a wet clutch.and the fluid leaks whjwe the bellhousing and motor meet -- posted from http://www.polytechforum.com/metalwo...ft-539407-.htm |
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replying to Karl Townsend, brefen wrote:
One thing I can tell you about older HYSTERS with oil clutches is that it uses one tank, one hydro oil for everything. there's a spray nozzle that wets the clutch. A common problem with this configuration is that it uses a suction pump (jet pump in HYSTER terms) to evacuate oil from the bellhousing. it is prone to getting plugged by debris. When this happens, you end up with oil running out the starter housing. The jet pump is an aluminum boox attached the bottom side of the bellhousing. remove the return tube and clean the orrifice. That should solve your problem. -- for full context, visit http://www.polytechforum.com/metalwo...ft-539407-.htm |
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