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On Mon, 26 Dec 2011 19:29:05 -0800, Hawke
wrote: Not only is it only for the people at the very top that "competition" isn't allowed, but those in charge in American business still have not learned the lesson that if Americans are paid less then they will spend less and buy less products. It seems incredibly simple that if you want a vibrant economy you want your citizens to get paid a lot of money for their work. If they are well paid they spend more and that makes for a bigger and better economy. But some still seem to think it's a good thing to pay workers as little as they possibly can. That may work in the short run but in the long run it's really stupid. More importantly is to quickly replace Obama in the upcoming election with someone who has actually held a job himself, and perhaps understands how a payroll works. Then once people who want to work can get jobs, the economy will be vibrant again. It's not going to happen when Obama is paying his voters to sit on the couch to watch their big screen eating govt cheese and crackers. |
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On Dec 27, 3:09*pm, Hawke wrote:
Hey douche bag, how about seeing if we can get a real genius to get us back on our feet? Try getting your last pick for president back again. Give "W" another chance. What's the worst that could happen? Hawke Doubtful if it would be any worse that what it like now. Dan |
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On Tue, 27 Dec 2011 12:51:35 -0800 (PST), "
wrote: On Dec 27, 3:09*pm, Hawke wrote: Hey douche bag, how about seeing if we can get a real genius to get us back on our feet? Try getting your last pick for president back again. Give "W" another chance. What's the worst that could happen? Hawke Doubtful if it would be any worse that what it like now. Dan Exactly. What could be worse than what it is like now? Nothing. Time to vote the bum out. Nice to see we are all in agreement on that one. |
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On Dec 29, 8:09*pm, Hawke wrote:
Then you're blind as a bat. Because every economic indicator is far better now than it was at the end of the Bush regime. Don't you ever look at any statistics before you post? Hawke Far better? I think not. What was the unemployment rate in Jan 2009? Hint 7.6 % What is the unemployment rate now? Hint the latest statistic is Now and the rate is 8.6 % Don't you ever look at any statistics before you post? Dan |
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On Thu, 29 Dec 2011 20:35:25 -0600, "David R. Birch"
wrote: On 12/29/2011 7:29 PM, wrote: On Dec 29, 8:09 pm, wrote: Then you're blind as a bat. Because every economic indicator is far better now than it was at the end of the Bush regime. Don't you ever look at any statistics before you post? Hawwk-ptooey Far better? I think not. What was the unemployment rate in Jan 2009? Hint 7.6 % What is the unemployment rate now? Hint the latest statistic is Now and the rate is 8.6 % Don't you ever look at any statistics before you post? Dan Actually worse now, if you consider that the 8.6% is people collecting unemployment benefits and looking for work. There's another group whose benefits have run out and have given up looking, but the govt pretends they don't exist anymore. David Ayup... the U6 numbers include those who are off their unemployment and are out there..suffering. But the Demonrats try to ignore those people. They no longer have a good address so they cant vote. So they dont mean anything to Demonrats Gunner One could not be a successful Leftwinger without realizing that, in contrast to the popular conception supported by newspapers and mothers of Leftwingers, a goodly number of Leftwingers are not only narrow-minded and dull, but also just stupid. Gunner Asch |
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On 12/29/2011 6:35 PM, David R. Birch wrote:
On 12/29/2011 7:29 PM, wrote: On Dec 29, 8:09 pm, wrote: Then you're blind as a bat. Because every economic indicator is far better now than it was at the end of the Bush regime. Don't you ever look at any statistics before you post? Hawwk-ptooey Far better? I think not. What was the unemployment rate in Jan 2009? Hint 7.6 % What is the unemployment rate now? Hint the latest statistic is Now and the rate is 8.6 % Don't you ever look at any statistics before you post? Dan Actually worse now, if you consider that the 8.6% is people collecting unemployment benefits and looking for work. There's another group whose benefits have run out and have given up looking, but the govt pretends they don't exist anymore. David I see you're no expert in economics either. Hawke |
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On 12/29/2011 6:38 PM, George Plimpton wrote:
On 12/29/2011 6:35 PM, David R. Birch wrote: On 12/29/2011 7:29 PM, wrote: On Dec 29, 8:09 pm, wrote: Then you're blind as a bat. Because every economic indicator is far better now than it was at the end of the Bush regime. Don't you ever look at any statistics before you post? Hawwk-ptooey Far better? I think not. What was the unemployment rate in Jan 2009? Hint 7.6 % What is the unemployment rate now? Hint the latest statistic is Now and the rate is 8.6 % Don't you ever look at any statistics before you post? Dan Actually worse now, if you consider that the 8.6% is people collecting unemployment benefits and looking for work. There's another group whose benefits have run out and have given up looking, but the govt pretends they don't exist anymore. The unemployment measurement methodology is no different now than then. Unemployment does not only count those who are receiving benefits, liar. He's not a liar. In this case anyway. He's just ignorant. Actually, the government does count a lot more than just the "normal" unemployed. They have other things that are much more detailed about the unemployed they keep track of. The rate we hear on TV is the most basic one. There are others that measure a lot more. But if you're ignorant you don't know that. Hawke |
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On Dec 30, 4:52*pm, Hawke wrote:
On 12/29/2011 5:29 PM, wrote: On Dec 29, 8:09 pm, *wrote: Then you're blind as a bat. Because every economic indicator is far better now than it was at the end of the Bush regime. Don't you ever look at any statistics before you post? Hawke Far better? *I think not. *What was the unemployment rate in Jan 2009? *Hint 7.6 % What is the unemployment rate now? *Hint *the latest statistic is Now and the rate is 8.6 % Don't you ever look at any statistics before you post? Dan I just heard on TV about twenty minutes ago where they were running down the economic statistics for the year. Today was the last trading day of 2011. It said 21 straight months of private sector job growth (don't ask for citations), 1.5 million jobs added this year, corporate profits at record levels, unemployment down for the year, and the whole list showed the economic statistics for the year were pretty darn good. By the way, almost all the other countries around the world did much worse than we did. So go ahead and pull out the "trailing indicator" of unemployment to try to prove your point that things didn't get better this year. Everything else you can point to says the opposite. Apparently you only look at the statistics that prove your point. Try looking at them all like I do. You'll see a much different picture. The facts say the country improved a lot in 2011. Hawke You said "Then you're blind as a bat. Because every economic indicator is far better now than it was at the end of the Bush regime. Don't you ever look at any statistics before you post? Hawke " So is unemployment an economic indicator or not? You claimed EVERY economic indicator......... But obviously you did not look at any statistics before you posted. My point in this case is that you run your mouth without thinking. I used employment because it does not agree with what you posted. If you would only think before posting, you might not post things that are obviously not true and require follow up posts to explain what you were trying to say. You are the one that said " Don't you ever look at any statistics before you post ? " Dan |
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On Dec 31, 5:05*pm, jim wrote:
And once again there was a collapse in private credit. Now once again private debt is shrinking and public debt is expanding. It will be another decade before the credit market is again back in balance so that the economy can move forward. I am way more optimistic than you are. My guess is the economy will be near normal in two years regardless of who gets elected. Dan |
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" wrote: On Dec 31, 5:05 pm, jim wrote: And once again there was a collapse in private credit. Now once again private debt is shrinking and public debt is expanding. It will be another decade before the credit market is again back in balance so that the economy can move forward. I am way more optimistic than you are. My guess is the economy will be near normal in two years regardless of who gets elected. Yes. You are way more optimistic, but not very realistic. The private sector borrowed $4 trillion in 2007 That was 30% of GDP - that was the normal - back then - but now its gone. That frantic expansion of credit thAt was the normal 4 years ago is not going to return for at least 70 or 80 years. However, at its current trajectory, in 10 or 15 years, the private debt will have fallen enough that productive credit expansion (like was seen in the 1950's and 1960's) should be able to resume. http://comstockfunds.com/files/NLPP00000/517.pdf |
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On 12/30/2011 3:53 PM, Hawwk-ptooey wrote:
Actually worse now, if you consider that the 8.6% is people collecting unemployment benefits and looking for work. There's another group whose benefits have run out and have given up looking, but the govt pretends they don't exist anymore. David I see you're no expert in economics either. Hawwk-ptooey Did your diploma mill offer a two-fer and you got an econ BA when you bought your poli sci rag? David |
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On 12/30/2011 3:57 PM, Hawwk-ptooey wrote:
On 12/29/2011 6:35 PM, David R. Birch wrote: Actually worse now, if you consider that the 8.6% is people collecting unemployment benefits and looking for work. There's another group whose benefits have run out and have given up looking, but the govt pretends they don't exist anymore. The unemployment measurement methodology is no different now than then. Unemployment does not only count those who are receiving benefits, liar. He's not a liar. In this case anyway. He's just ignorant. Actually, the government does count a lot more than just the "normal" unemployed. They have other things that are much more detailed about the unemployed they keep track of. The rate we hear on TV is the most basic one. There are others that measure a lot more. But if you're ignorant you don't know that. Hawwk-ptooey The point is that comparing the earlier 7.6% to the current 8.6% ignores the fact that there is currently a much larger number of people unemployed but not counted in those percentages. David |
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On 1/1/2012 2:38 PM, David R. Birch wrote:
On 12/30/2011 3:53 PM, Hawwk-ptooey wrote: Actually worse now, if you consider that the 8.6% is people collecting unemployment benefits and looking for work. There's another group whose benefits have run out and have given up looking, but the govt pretends they don't exist anymore. David I see you're no expert in economics either. Hawwk-ptooey Did your diploma mill offer a two-fer and you got an econ BA when you bought your poli sci rag? David What it did was teach me to recognize when someone else without any formal training is trying to foist himself as an expert. My nose tells me really. When you started in talking about economic issues my nose told me that something about it stunk, and that you were presuming to know way more than you really do once again. Hawke |
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On 1/1/2012 2:49 PM, David R. Birch wrote:
On 12/30/2011 3:57 PM, Hawwk-ptooey wrote: On 12/29/2011 6:35 PM, David R. Birch wrote: Actually worse now, if you consider that the 8.6% is people collecting unemployment benefits and looking for work. There's another group whose benefits have run out and have given up looking, but the govt pretends they don't exist anymore. The unemployment measurement methodology is no different now than then. Unemployment does not only count those who are receiving benefits, liar. He's not a liar. In this case anyway. He's just ignorant. Actually, the government does count a lot more than just the "normal" unemployed. They have other things that are much more detailed about the unemployed they keep track of. The rate we hear on TV is the most basic one. There are others that measure a lot more. But if you're ignorant you don't know that. Hawwk-ptooey The point is that comparing the earlier 7.6% to the current 8.6% ignores the fact that there is currently a much larger number of people unemployed but not counted in those percentages. David There are a number of statistics the government uses when talking about economics. The standard unemployment measure is the 8.6% figure. There are others with different names like U6 I think, where it does measure more than the standard number does. Don't make the mistake of thinking there is more to it when the government says the rate has fallen from 9.0 to 8.6. Lots of us know that is just one figure. If you think they are using it to play games with you are wrong. Hawke |
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On 1/1/2012 5:21 PM, Hawwk-ptooey wrote:
"David R. Birch" wrote in message It may still be possible for you to learn something. Start he http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarianism David That's a great cartoon. I've seen it before. I'm always amused by people calling themselves Libertarians, as if that actually means something. This clown takes me to task for not knowing about Libertarianism even though I have a political science degree. Well, I do know about it. What he doesn't understand is that Libertarianism is such a splinter group and so meaningless that no one teaches anything about it. I can't even think of any Libertarians who have even reached elected office. Even Ron Paul, who is as close to a Libertarian as you can get is a registered republican. Libertarians don't understand how small and unimportant they really are. The idea that there are divisions between Libertarians is a joke really. That group of people are really out there. It's like the Wiki article says, outside of the U.S. most places think of Libertarians as Anarchists. In other words they think they're nuts. I'm sorry to break the news but if you say you are a Libertarian it's like saying you're strange. Normal people just don't go around saying they are Libertarian. Even in political science those people are considered nutty. No one pays them any attention, which is what I think ****es them off more than the fact everyone thinks their ideas are stupid too. Hawwk-ptooey As a further demonstration of his cluelesness about libertarians, Hawwk-ptooey shows us that he still hasn't figured out that all libertarians aren't Libertarians, which denotes membership in a libertarian right oriented party. David |
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On 1/1/2012 5:25 PM, Hawwk-ptooey wrote:
On 1/1/2012 2:38 PM, David R. Birch wrote: On 12/30/2011 3:53 PM, Hawwk-ptooey wrote: Actually worse now, if you consider that the 8.6% is people collecting unemployment benefits and looking for work. There's another group whose benefits have run out and have given up looking, but the govt pretends they don't exist anymore. David I see you're no expert in economics either. Hawwk-ptooey Did your diploma mill offer a two-fer and you got an econ BA when you bought your poli sci rag? David What it did was teach me to recognize when someone else without any formal training is trying to foist himself as an expert. So the only way to learn anything useful is "formal training"? I'll tell you a secret. "Formal training" isn't where your education ends, its where it starts. I learned more in my first months on the job than I had in years of "formal training", and I found that a good portion of my "formal training" was either useless, wrong or obsolete. My nose tells me really. When you started in talking about economic issues my nose told me that something about it stunk, and that you were presuming to know way more than you really do once again. Hawwk-ptooey If that's what your nose reacts to, I'm surprised you can bear to sit an a computer and show the world how little you've learned. Nose plugs? A clothes pin? David |
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