Something I put on youtube this morning for doubtful people in
alt.home.repair who think it can't be done.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SoeXN...&feature=feedu

Simple as ****. Works for me.

Steve

On 11/14/2011 4:39 PM, Steve B wrote:
Something I put on youtube this morning for doubtful people in
alt.home.repair who think it can't be done.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SoeXN...&feature=feedu

Simple as ****. Works for me.

Steve


Nice looking place, Steve!

Yup, it works.

I didn't believe until one day many years ago, when I was in college and
living one semester on a dairy farm and feeding cows for room and board.

The farm house water supply was a spring on the other side of a hill
from the house. A siphon was used to bring water to the house. One day
the water stopped. It had happened before, pipe rusted and a pin hole
let air in and stopped the siphon.

They called a neighbor who said he could find the pipe. He used two
brazing rods bent like you showed in the video. He asked me if I
believed he could witch the water pipe and of course I said "NO". So he
had me go down the hill and turn my back.

He witched and marked the pipe for the farmer and his son. Then he had
me come back up and explained the use of the bent wires. I walked across
the top of the hill and sure enough, the wires crossed. Then he said to
look at the house and at the grove of trees when the spring was located.
We were exactly in line between the two.

They commenced to dig up the pipe until they found the hole and patched
it. I don't recall just how they reestablished the siphon, but they did
and the house had water, again.

I have been a believer ever since!

Paul

On Mon, 14 Nov 2011 16:39:30 -0800, "Steve B"
wrote:

Something I put on youtube this morning for doubtful people in
alt.home.repair who think it can't be done.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SoeXN...&feature=feedu

Simple as ****. Works for me.

Steve



My story: I hired Claton Madson to dowse my irriation well in 1979. He
said to put it 200 yards from my barn and electric service. Big
expense for pipe and electric and i only got 40 GPM. he said no good
water near the barn and electric. That's NOT enough water to irrigate
an orchard.

A few years later, Claton had passed on, and i told Ken (his son) to
drill right off the corner of the barn, right by the power line. we
got 1000 GPM plus, he didn't have equipment to test how high it would
really go.

I'm not a fan of dowsing after this.

Karl

"Karl Townsend" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 14 Nov 2011 16:39:30 -0800, "Steve B"
wrote:

Something I put on youtube this morning for doubtful people in
alt.home.repair who think it can't be done.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SoeXN...&feature=feedu

Simple as ****. Works for me.

Steve



My story: I hired Claton Madson to dowse my irriation well in 1979. He
said to put it 200 yards from my barn and electric service. Big
expense for pipe and electric and i only got 40 GPM. he said no good
water near the barn and electric. That's NOT enough water to irrigate
an orchard.

A few years later, Claton had passed on, and i told Ken (his son) to
drill right off the corner of the barn, right by the power line. we
got 1000 GPM plus, he didn't have equipment to test how high it would
really go.

I'm not a fan of dowsing after this.

Karl

We seem to have gotten off track here. What I demonstrated was how to find
a pipe or a cable. Dowsing for a water source is something entirely
different, and I do not do that. THIS IS FOR FINDING A CABLE OR PIPE ONLY.

Steve

A couple friends and I tried this years ago in a school field. I gave it
a go wanting to believe, but frankly skeptical that I could do it.
But I nailed the water pipes for the sprinkler system with ease. Amazed me!

I've read that real dowsers can find water and more. Near 30 years ago,
I'd read some books on treasure hunting, and living in the Gold Country,
was always looking with my metal detector. While studying sign language,
I became friends with an elderly deaf couple. One day, Art was telling
me about having a dowser locate a spot to drill his well.
While working the property, he stopped at one point and and told Art
that there was a decent mass of metal buried about 20' down.

I recalled reading about the gold rush ear bandit, Rattlesnake Dick, who
is supposed to have stashed some $40k (face value) gold and silver coins
just outside Nevada City. My friends lived just outside Nevada City. I
could never convince him to let me dig up this unknown mass of
metal. They've passed on, and I'm sure the new owners would either have
no interest in me digging either, or feign lack of interest, then start
looking on their own. Oh well...


Jon

Steve B wrote:
Something I put on youtube this morning for doubtful people in
alt.home.repair who think it can't be done.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SoeXN...&feature=feedu

Simple as ****. Works for me.

Steve


Nice job...happy birthday.

You've demonstrated that if you know where pipes are located, you
can look like you're finding 'em.

How about a double-blind demonstration???

You did bring back some memories. I went looking for my dowsing
rod, but it's not where I thought I left it.

Since we're telling tall tales, I'll tell mine.

About 30 years ago, I went to the Northwest Dowsing Convention
up on Mt. Hood.

The most interesting demonstration was a guy who had a case chock
full of "healing agents". The patient laid down and the practitioner
noted that his legs were of slightly different length. He put
the bottles
of diagnostic herbs on his (the patient's) crotch. When the treatment
that was needed
was proffered, the patient's legs became the same length. Take two,
call me in the morning....quite a show.

The explanation of dowsing was that we all have the ability to find what
we seek. The dowsing rod is merely an indicator that greatly amplifies
the tiny physiological changes that happen when we get close to the object
of our desire.

Having an open mind, I made myself a dowsing rod and experimented with it.

Coincidentally a co-worker confided that her dog had gone missing.
Wanting to impress her, I took out my dowsing rod and headed where it
pointed. I circled a city block where the rod always pointed into that
block. I found an old woman working in her yard. I stopped,
described the dog and asked if she'd seen it.
She said, "no, but I had a dog exactly like that. It ran away 10 years
ago...I never did find it."
SPOOKY
Not exactly proof, but a little too close to home for coincidence...

I went looking, but never found any controlled blind experiment that
suggested probability of success higher than random.
Even a stopped clock...

Asked if I thought dowsing worked, I'd still have to say, "it's bunk!"

I also went to a seminar where one of the exercises was to perform
an out of body experiment where we became someone else.
I "became" an old girl friend. I had the distinct feeling of hair
brushing the tops of
my shoulders when I moved my head. Clearly wrong, 'cause she had hair down
to her butt.
Saw her at work the next day. Over the weekend, she'd cut her hair.
You guessed it, shoulder length.
SPOOKY

My money's still on science...
YMMV

"mike" wrote in message
...
Steve B wrote:
Something I put on youtube this morning for doubtful people in
alt.home.repair who think it can't be done.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SoeXN...&feature=feedu

Simple as ****. Works for me.

Steve
Nice job...happy birthday.

You've demonstrated that if you know where pipes are located, you
can look like you're finding 'em.

How about a double-blind demonstration???

You did bring back some memories. I went looking for my dowsing
rod, but it's not where I thought I left it.

Since we're telling tall tales, I'll tell mine.

About 30 years ago, I went to the Northwest Dowsing Convention
up on Mt. Hood.

The most interesting demonstration was a guy who had a case chock
full of "healing agents". The patient laid down and the practitioner
noted that his legs were of slightly different length. He put
the bottles
of diagnostic herbs on his (the patient's) crotch. When the treatment
that was needed
was proffered, the patient's legs became the same length. Take two,
call me in the morning....quite a show.

The explanation of dowsing was that we all have the ability to find what
we seek. The dowsing rod is merely an indicator that greatly amplifies
the tiny physiological changes that happen when we get close to the object
of our desire.

Having an open mind, I made myself a dowsing rod and experimented with it.

Coincidentally a co-worker confided that her dog had gone missing.
Wanting to impress her, I took out my dowsing rod and headed where it
pointed. I circled a city block where the rod always pointed into that
block. I found an old woman working in her yard. I stopped,
described the dog and asked if she'd seen it.
She said, "no, but I had a dog exactly like that. It ran away 10 years
ago...I never did find it."
SPOOKY
Not exactly proof, but a little too close to home for coincidence...

I went looking, but never found any controlled blind experiment that
suggested probability of success higher than random.
Even a stopped clock...

Asked if I thought dowsing worked, I'd still have to say, "it's bunk!"

I also went to a seminar where one of the exercises was to perform
an out of body experiment where we became someone else.
I "became" an old girl friend. I had the distinct feeling of hair
brushing the tops of
my shoulders when I moved my head. Clearly wrong, 'cause she had hair
down
to her butt.
Saw her at work the next day. Over the weekend, she'd cut her hair.
You guessed it, shoulder length.
SPOOKY

My money's still on science...
YMMV


I had a feeling I'd be reading this reply - SPOOKY

On Mon, 14 Nov 2011 16:39:30 -0800, "Steve B" wrote:

Something I put on youtube this morning for doubtful people in
alt.home.repair who think it can't be done.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SoeXN...&feature=feedu

Simple as ****. Works for me.

Steve

What..people still think that dowsing doesnt work?

Blink blink...blink?

Nicely done btw.

Ive dowsed for years. Shrug. Ive found everything from water to bunkers
filled with very unfriendly enemy soldiers.

Gunner

One could not be a successful Leftwinger without realizing that,
in contrast to the popular conception supported by newspapers
and mothers of Leftwingers, a goodly number of Leftwingers are
not only narrow-minded and dull, but also just stupid.
Gunner Asch

On Mon, 14 Nov 2011 21:57:27 -0600, Karl Townsend
wrote:

On Mon, 14 Nov 2011 16:39:30 -0800, "Steve B"
wrote:

Something I put on youtube this morning for doubtful people in
alt.home.repair who think it can't be done.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SoeXN...&feature=feedu

Simple as ****. Works for me.

Steve



My story: I hired Claton Madson to dowse my irriation well in 1979. He
said to put it 200 yards from my barn and electric service. Big
expense for pipe and electric and i only got 40 GPM. he said no good
water near the barn and electric. That's NOT enough water to irrigate
an orchard.

A few years later, Claton had passed on, and i told Ken (his son) to
drill right off the corner of the barn, right by the power line. we
got 1000 GPM plus, he didn't have equipment to test how high it would
really go.

I'm not a fan of dowsing after this.

Karl


You should have had the son dowse the property as his dad had done..and
then drilled.

It would have been interesting to see if he got a different dowse than
his dad had.


One could not be a successful Leftwinger without realizing that,
in contrast to the popular conception supported by newspapers
and mothers of Leftwingers, a goodly number of Leftwingers are
not only narrow-minded and dull, but also just stupid.
Gunner Asch

On Mon, 14 Nov 2011 20:31:56 -0800, "Steve B" wrote:


"Karl Townsend" wrote in message
.. .
On Mon, 14 Nov 2011 16:39:30 -0800, "Steve B"
wrote:

Something I put on youtube this morning for doubtful people in
alt.home.repair who think it can't be done.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SoeXN...&feature=feedu

Simple as ****. Works for me.

Steve



My story: I hired Claton Madson to dowse my irriation well in 1979. He
said to put it 200 yards from my barn and electric service. Big
expense for pipe and electric and i only got 40 GPM. he said no good
water near the barn and electric. That's NOT enough water to irrigate
an orchard.

A few years later, Claton had passed on, and i told Ken (his son) to
drill right off the corner of the barn, right by the power line. we
got 1000 GPM plus, he didn't have equipment to test how high it would
really go.

I'm not a fan of dowsing after this.

Karl

We seem to have gotten off track here. What I demonstrated was how to find
a pipe or a cable. Dowsing for a water source is something entirely
different, and I do not do that. THIS IS FOR FINDING A CABLE OR PIPE ONLY.

Steve

Dowsing works for most anything "unusual" underground. From water to
bunkers


One could not be a successful Leftwinger without realizing that,
in contrast to the popular conception supported by newspapers
and mothers of Leftwingers, a goodly number of Leftwingers are
not only narrow-minded and dull, but also just stupid.
Gunner Asch

mike wrote:
How about a double-blind demonstration???

Scientific American did one on the TV show they had on PBS a number of years
back. I remember the show because it had Alan Alda, and they did the
experiment in the town in which I live, in a field by where I would ride my
bike a lot.

You can read a transcript of the show he

http://www.pbs.org/saf/transcripts/transcript802.htm#3

Jon

Jon Danniken wrote:
mike wrote:
How about a double-blind demonstration???

Scientific American did one on the TV show they had on PBS a number of years
back. I remember the show because it had Alan Alda, and they did the
experiment in the town in which I live, in a field by where I would ride my
bike a lot.

You can read a transcript of the show he

http://www.pbs.org/saf/transcripts/transcript802.htm#3

Jon



Begin quote

KEN BANNISTER I've always learned that whenever there's a failure, it's
not that the dowsing didn't work, it's that you didn't do a good job at
it, or sometimes, the actual hole will miss slightly, and you don't just
hit the fracture.

End quote.

This excuse is typical for "free energy" failures...your car won't
run on water 'cause you just didn't do it right...too bad the genius
who did it right was poisoned by big oil and didn't leave any notes...
SPOOKY!

Steve B wrote:
Something I put on youtube this morning for doubtful people in
alt.home.repair who think it can't be done.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SoeXN...&feature=feedu

Simple as ****. Works for me.

Steve

Quick, get yer million- dollar prize before you lose
your mojo:

http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/...plication.html

--Winston

On Nov 15, 4:46*am, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Mon, 14 Nov 2011 16:39:30 -0800, "Steve B" wrote:
Something I put on youtube this morning for doubtful people in
alt.home.repair who think it can't be done.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SoeXN...&feature=feedu

Simple as ****. *Works for me.

Steve

What..people still think that dowsing doesnt work?

Blink blink...blink?

Nicely done btw.

Ive dowsed for years. Shrug. Ive found everything from water to bunkers
filled with very unfriendly enemy soldiers.

Gunner

Well then, for crissake, you really ought to go to the site that
Winston posted and get yerself a million bucks.


One could not be a successful Rightwinger without realizing that,
in contrast to the popular conception supported by newspapers
and mothers of Rightwingers, a goodly number of Rightwingers are
not only narrow-minded and dull, but also just stupid.
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *Gunner Asch [edited for correctness]

"mike" wrote

You've demonstrated that if you know where pipes are located, you
can look like you're finding 'em.

It's there for you to take or leave.

Pick one.

Steve

"Gunner Asch" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 14 Nov 2011 16:39:30 -0800, "Steve B" wrote:

Something I put on youtube this morning for doubtful people in
alt.home.repair who think it can't be done.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SoeXN...&feature=feedu

Simple as ****. Works for me.

Steve

What..people still think that dowsing doesnt work?

Blink blink...blink?

Nicely done btw.

Ive dowsed for years. Shrug. Ive found everything from water to bunkers
filled with very unfriendly enemy soldiers.

Gunner

In my case, someone wrote into alt.home.repair and wanted to know how to
locate a buried electrical line. I told them how, but they blathered on
that it didn't work, and all that, so I did a youtube. Copper or aluminum
are two of the easiest things to find with a regular metal detector, and the
passing of an electrical charge through them makes a natural field around
the line due to electromagnetic influences on the soil. That field is there
whether the line is energized or not.

I used known lines just to demonstrate what the wires would do when they
came in contact with a line. I guess some people wanted me to go out into
some field or public lot and find any old lines, and then dig them up to see
what's there. OOPS, this looks like natural gas to me .......... what's
that smell ................. RUN!

YES, it is for finding lines that you know are there, just not sure where.
It helps if you have a leach field, and you want to know which direction the
lines run. It's handy for a lot of things. If you want to just go out and
dig lines, there are laws about that, and this little service called CALL
BEFORE YOU DIG, so you don't end up like fried crispy critters on the six
o'clock news.

I'm amazed that something offered as just an aide would set off so many
people who tend to think it's black magic. Or insist that it just plain
doesn't work.

I went quail hunting with a friend of mine, and his friend Scotty. Scotty
was a real dyed in the wool, official underwear wearing Mormon. I was
trying to locate a buried black abs pipe that ran from a spring to a corral.
On that line, there was a break, and the place was supposed to be good for
quail. I found two pieces of baling wire, and located the line in seconds.
I walked it up a ways, and found the leak and started blasting quail.

My friend Dave had to really talk hard to Scotty for about fifteen minutes
before Scotty agreed to let me ride back to Las Vegas with him in his truck.
90 miles. (I learned early in life to always take my own ride, but that
day, I was riding with them.) Scotty said it was the devil. Demonistic.
Black magic.

So, if this little technique is something you can use to find a sprinkler
line, or a buried cable, help yourself. If you want to blather about if it
works or not, call me yesterday.

Just as a lot of things in this newsgroup, we share little bits of
information that helps git r done.

This post wasn't aimed at you directly, Gunner. I see you have tried it,
and can do it. Some people just cannot do it. I wonder what's up with
that.

Steve

mike wrote:
....
The explanation of dowsing was that we all have the ability to find what
we seek. The dowsing rod is merely an indicator that greatly amplifies
the tiny physiological changes that happen when we get close to the object
of our desire.
....

This is the only part of it that I'm willing to entertain. The idea
that the rods themselves do the detecting is blather. But a person
MIGHT be capable of sensation that he is not really aware of & manifest
that in hand movement that crosses the rods. I'm skeptical, but I can't
dismiss it either.

That the rods cross in response to hand movement is certain. To prove
otherwise, one could build a jig that holds the vertical rod ends
parallel & use it to dowse with. If they did cross, it would prove that
hand movement wasn't necessary. If someone tries this, please keep us
posted.

Bob

"Bob Engelhardt" wrote

That the rods cross in response to hand movement is certain. To prove
otherwise, one could build a jig that holds the vertical rod ends parallel
& use it to dowse with. If they did cross, it would prove that hand
movement wasn't necessary. If someone tries this, please keep us posted.

Bob

That is an interesting proposal. I have heard, and mentioned in the video
that some people cannot develop the light holding pressure required, so use
a couple of empty Tabasco bottles. One would then cut the short end of the
L long enough to rest on the bottom of the bottle. I have seen these for
sale with telescoping sections, looking like a very small telescopic radio
antenna on the old transistor radios.

I will do what you ask, and try to get my photography better, too. I shall
use a jig made out of wood, and the two Tabasco bottle idea thing, too. The
way I do it is just the simplest, but I have always wanted to try the little
bottles, too.

I shall keep you all posted.

Steve

"Bob Engelhardt"
wrote in message mike wrote:
...
The explanation of dowsing was that we all have
the ability to find what
we seek. The dowsing rod is merely an
indicator that greatly amplifies
the tiny physiological changes that happen when
we get close to the object
of our desire.
...

This is the only part of it that I'm willing to
entertain. The idea that the rods themselves do
the detecting is blather. But a person MIGHT be
capable of sensation that he is not really aware
of & manifest that in hand movement that crosses
the rods. I'm skeptical, but I can't dismiss it
either.

That the rods cross in response to hand movement
is certain. To prove otherwise, one could build
a jig that holds the vertical rod ends parallel
& use it to dowse with. If they did cross, it
would prove that hand movement wasn't necessary.
If someone tries this, please keep us posted.

Bob

Looks like you have volunteered yourself to try
this, Bob. ;)}
Keep _us_ posted, eih?

Bob Engelhardt wrote:
mike wrote:
...
The explanation of dowsing was that we all have the ability to find what
we seek. The dowsing rod is merely an indicator that greatly amplifies
the tiny physiological changes that happen when we get close to the
object
of our desire.
...

This is the only part of it that I'm willing to entertain. The idea
that the rods themselves do the detecting is blather. But a person
MIGHT be capable of sensation that he is not really aware of & manifest
that in hand movement that crosses the rods. I'm skeptical, but I can't
dismiss it either.

That the rods cross in response to hand movement is certain. To prove
otherwise, one could build a jig that holds the vertical rod ends
parallel & use it to dowse with. If they did cross, it would prove that
hand movement wasn't necessary. If someone tries this, please keep us
posted.

Bob

This won't work.
REAL dowsers can dowse for anything.
The wires themselves have no notion of intent.
They serve two purposes. They're the indicator for the human.
The put on a show and provide misdirection and a false sense
of credibility. Carnival 101.

Yes, you can probably come up with a scenario where an
electric or magnetic field in the object being dowsed
could induce a field in a conductor or magnet in the
vicinity and cause movement. We've been dowsing for
North for a very long time.

But I digress...

Back in my younger days, I searched for a practical use for my
dowsing rod. I hit on the idea of dowsing for hot chicks.
I have no idea whether it worked.
Early in the experiment, I learned that my body already
had a built-in dowsing rod optimized for hot chicks.
I was amazed at the accuracy with which it pointed toward the
object of my desire.
The experiment was aborted for
a different reason. I realized that "finding hot chicks"
and "acquiring hot chicks" require completely different
skills. When you don't have the skills to "git 'em",
finding them is just frustrating.

Same problem with water. It's everywhere.
The rod movin' and the drill hittin' it are only loosely related.

;-)

Steve B wrote:

I will do what you ask, and try to get my photography better, too. I shall
use a jig made out of wood, and the two Tabasco bottle idea thing, too. The
way I do it is just the simplest, but I have always wanted to try the little
bottles, too.


Want some empty insulin bottles? ;-)


--
You can't have a sense of humor, if you have no sense.

On 11/14/2011 7:39 PM, Steve B wrote:
Something I put on youtube this morning for doubtful people in
alt.home.repair who think it can't be done.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SoeXN...&feature=feedu

Simple as ****. Works for me.

Bulls**t. It doesn't work at all. You think it does? Demonstrate it, and
claim your million dollars:
http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/1m-challenge.html

On Tue, 15 Nov 2011 12:41:39 -0800, "Steve B"
wrote:



So, if this little technique is something you can use to find a sprinkler
line, or a buried cable, help yourself. If you want to blather about if it
works or not, call me yesterday.

Dowsing definitely works. When I was a boy, many many years ago,
we had a very dry summer on the farm and the well was not producung
enough to properly water the cattle. We had to take the tractor &
trailer with 500 (real) gallon tank about 5 miles to the nearest river
& bucket into the tank.

We tried dowsing and at one point we had a reaction with the hazel
stick. Dug down and had a trace of water at about 8 feet, from then
on it was solid rock, digging with hammer & chisel. Eventually at
about 15 feet there was enough water to prevent digging further when
we hit the water course.

Alan

On Wed, 16 Nov 2011 08:37:04 -0500, Doug Miller
wrote:

On 11/14/2011 7:39 PM, Steve B wrote:
Something I put on youtube this morning for doubtful people in
alt.home.repair who think it can't be done.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SoeXN...&feature=feedu

Simple as ****. Works for me.

Bulls**t. It doesn't work at all. You think it does? Demonstrate it, and
claim your million dollars:
http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/1m-challenge.html


Its worked for me a myrid of times. Shrug

Gunner

One could not be a successful Leftwinger without realizing that,
in contrast to the popular conception supported by newspapers
and mothers of Leftwingers, a goodly number of Leftwingers are
not only narrow-minded and dull, but also just stupid.
Gunner Asch

"Gunner Asch" wrote in message
...

On Wed, 16 Nov 2011 08:37:04 -0500, Doug Miller
wrote:

On 11/14/2011 7:39 PM, Steve B wrote:
Something I put on youtube this morning for doubtful people in
alt.home.repair who think it can't be done.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SoeXN...&feature=feedu

Simple as ****. Works for me.

Bulls**t. It doesn't work at all. You think it does? Demonstrate it, and
claim your million dollars:
http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/1m-challenge.html


Its worked for me a myrid of times. Shrug

Gunner

Jeez. Gunner, you're awfully cavalier about $1 million. Did you come into a
big inheritance or something?

If it's worked for you myriad times, surely you can come up with a
demonstration that will win the prize. Go for it!

--
Ed Huntress

On 11/16/2011 11:45 AM, wrote:

Dowsing definitely works.

Nonsense.

When I was a boy, many many years ago,
we had a very dry summer on the farm and the well was not producung
enough to properly water the cattle. We had to take the tractor&
trailer with 500 (real) gallon tank about 5 miles to the nearest river
& bucket into the tank.

We tried dowsing and at one point we had a reaction with the hazel
stick. Dug down and had a trace of water at about 8 feet, from then
on it was solid rock, digging with hammer& chisel. Eventually at
about 15 feet there was enough water to prevent digging further when
we hit the water course.

And of course that water course was *only* right there under your
"reaction with the hazel stick" and nowhere else -- NOT.

"Doug Miller" wrote in message ...

On 11/16/2011 11:45 AM, wrote:

Dowsing definitely works.

Nonsense.

When I was a boy, many many years ago,
we had a very dry summer on the farm and the well was not producung
enough to properly water the cattle. We had to take the tractor&
trailer with 500 (real) gallon tank about 5 miles to the nearest river
& bucket into the tank.

We tried dowsing and at one point we had a reaction with the hazel
stick. Dug down and had a trace of water at about 8 feet, from then
on it was solid rock, digging with hammer& chisel. Eventually at
about 15 feet there was enough water to prevent digging further when
we hit the water course.

And of course that water course was *only* right there under your
"reaction with the hazel stick" and nowhere else -- NOT.

================================================== ===================

Jeez, Doug, you should recognize when you've tapped into an infected tooth.
These are grown men, supposedly educated in some basic science, and they
believe this stuff. Do you think you're going to get anything like a
reasonable discussion here?

However, if you're really bored, go for it, and I'll stand back and watch.
The home economists trying to argue with Jim about economics are getting a
little tedious.

But if you can get them going on running your car on water or a 200 mpg
carburetor, it could be entertaining. d8-)

--
Ed Huntress

On Wed, 16 Nov 2011 14:24:46 -0500, Doug Miller
wrote:

On 11/16/2011 11:45 AM, wrote:

Dowsing definitely works.

Nonsense.

When I was a boy, many many years ago,
we had a very dry summer on the farm and the well was not producung
enough to properly water the cattle. We had to take the tractor&
trailer with 500 (real) gallon tank about 5 miles to the nearest river
& bucket into the tank.

We tried dowsing and at one point we had a reaction with the hazel
stick. Dug down and had a trace of water at about 8 feet, from then
on it was solid rock, digging with hammer& chisel. Eventually at
about 15 feet there was enough water to prevent digging further when
we hit the water course.

And of course that water course was *only* right there under your
"reaction with the hazel stick" and nowhere else -- NOT.

Doug..its obvious that you dont believe dowsing works.
Others have the opposite opinion.

Why not leave it at that?

Gunner

One could not be a successful Leftwinger without realizing that,
in contrast to the popular conception supported by newspapers
and mothers of Leftwingers, a goodly number of Leftwingers are
not only narrow-minded and dull, but also just stupid.
Gunner Asch

Gunner Asch wrote:
On Wed, 16 Nov 2011 14:24:46 -0500, Doug Miller
wrote:

On 11/16/2011 11:45 AM, wrote:
Dowsing definitely works.
Nonsense.

When I was a boy, many many years ago,
we had a very dry summer on the farm and the well was not producung
enough to properly water the cattle. We had to take the tractor&
trailer with 500 (real) gallon tank about 5 miles to the nearest river
& bucket into the tank.

We tried dowsing and at one point we had a reaction with the hazel
stick. Dug down and had a trace of water at about 8 feet, from then
on it was solid rock, digging with hammer& chisel. Eventually at
about 15 feet there was enough water to prevent digging further when
we hit the water course.
And of course that water course was *only* right there under your
"reaction with the hazel stick" and nowhere else -- NOT.

Doug..its obvious that you dont believe dowsing works.
Others have the opposite opinion.

Why not leave it at that?

Gunner

One could not be a successful Leftwinger without realizing that,
in contrast to the popular conception supported by newspapers
and mothers of Leftwingers, a goodly number of Leftwingers are
not only narrow-minded and dull, but also just stupid.
Gunner Asch

Some people believe it.
Some people are entertained by it.
Some people profit from it.
For all those reasons, we still have psychics, palm readers,
astrologers, dowsers, etc.

I wonder how much people are affected by their daily horoscope
published in the newspaper.

As a stockbroker, you might do a lot calling when the horoscope
alludes to an opportunity presenting itself. You probably know the
birth date of your clients. I'll bet "There's an app for that" ;-)

If the horoscope says, "you will meet a tall, dark, stranger",
that might be the day to wander around the shopping mall standing
up really straight and acting strangely????????
;-) ;-)

On 11/16/2011 10:11 PM, mike wrote:
Gunner Asch wrote:
On Wed, 16 Nov 2011 14:24:46 -0500, Doug Miller
wrote:

On 11/16/2011 11:45 AM, wrote:
Dowsing definitely works.
Nonsense.

When I was a boy, many many years ago,
we had a very dry summer on the farm and the well was not producung
enough to properly water the cattle. We had to take the tractor&
trailer with 500 (real) gallon tank about 5 miles to the nearest river
& bucket into the tank.

We tried dowsing and at one point we had a reaction with the hazel
stick. Dug down and had a trace of water at about 8 feet, from then
on it was solid rock, digging with hammer& chisel. Eventually at
about 15 feet there was enough water to prevent digging further when
we hit the water course.
And of course that water course was *only* right there under your
"reaction with the hazel stick" and nowhere else -- NOT.

Doug..its obvious that you dont believe dowsing works.

Wrong. There is *scientific evidence* that it doesn't work.

Others have the opposite opinion.

This is not a matter of simply differing opinions.

Gunner Asch on Tue, 15 Nov 2011 01:46:55 -0800
typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
On Mon, 14 Nov 2011 16:39:30 -0800, "Steve B" wrote:

Something I put on youtube this morning for doubtful people in
alt.home.repair who think it can't be done.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SoeXN...&feature=feedu

Simple as ****. Works for me.

Steve

What..people still think that dowsing doesnt work?

Blink blink...blink?

Nicely done btw.

Ive dowsed for years. Shrug. Ive found everything from water to bunkers
filled with very unfriendly enemy soldiers.

Yowzaa - all in California? I didn't think that the Liberals
were hunkered down yet. B-)

--
pyotr
Go not to the Net for answers, for it will tell you Yes and no. And
you are a bloody fool, only an ignorant cretin would even ask the
question, forty two, 47, the second door, and how many blonde lawyers
does it take to change a lightbulb.

Gunner Asch on Wed, 16 Nov 2011 18:38:51 -0800
typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
On Wed, 16 Nov 2011 14:24:46 -0500, Doug Miller
wrote:

On 11/16/2011 11:45 AM, wrote:

Dowsing definitely works.

Nonsense.

When I was a boy, many many years ago,
we had a very dry summer on the farm and the well was not producung
enough to properly water the cattle. We had to take the tractor&
trailer with 500 (real) gallon tank about 5 miles to the nearest river
& bucket into the tank.

We tried dowsing and at one point we had a reaction with the hazel
stick. Dug down and had a trace of water at about 8 feet, from then
on it was solid rock, digging with hammer& chisel. Eventually at
about 15 feet there was enough water to prevent digging further when
we hit the water course.

And of course that water course was *only* right there under your
"reaction with the hazel stick" and nowhere else -- NOT.

Doug..its obvious that you dont believe dowsing works.
Others have the opposite opinion.

Like the Vermont Farmer who was asked if he believed in full
immersion baptizing. "Nope, but I've seen it done."

tschus
pyotr
--
pyotr
Go not to the Net for answers, for it will tell you Yes and no. And
you are a bloody fool, only an ignorant cretin would even ask the
question, forty two, 47, the second door, and how many blonde lawyers
does it take to change a lightbulb.

On Wed, 16 Nov 2011 22:40:30 -0500, Doug Miller
wrote:

On 11/16/2011 10:11 PM, mike wrote:
Gunner Asch wrote:
On Wed, 16 Nov 2011 14:24:46 -0500, Doug Miller
wrote:

On 11/16/2011 11:45 AM, wrote:
Dowsing definitely works.
Nonsense.

When I was a boy, many many years ago,
we had a very dry summer on the farm and the well was not producung
enough to properly water the cattle. We had to take the tractor&
trailer with 500 (real) gallon tank about 5 miles to the nearest river
& bucket into the tank.

We tried dowsing and at one point we had a reaction with the hazel
stick. Dug down and had a trace of water at about 8 feet, from then
on it was solid rock, digging with hammer& chisel. Eventually at
about 15 feet there was enough water to prevent digging further when
we hit the water course.
And of course that water course was *only* right there under your
"reaction with the hazel stick" and nowhere else -- NOT.

Doug..its obvious that you dont believe dowsing works.

Wrong. There is *scientific evidence* that it doesn't work.

Others have the opposite opinion.

This is not a matter of simply differing opinions.

Actually..it is. Ive found far too many leech lines, gas lines, electric
lines and so forth for it to be a matter of opinion.

You dont believe, I do.

Your opinion is noted.

You are not going to change anyones opinion by being nasty about it.

Gunner

One could not be a successful Leftwinger without realizing that,
in contrast to the popular conception supported by newspapers
and mothers of Leftwingers, a goodly number of Leftwingers are
not only narrow-minded and dull, but also just stupid.
Gunner Asch

On Wed, 16 Nov 2011 22:46:40 -0800, pyotr filipivich
wrote:

Gunner Asch on Tue, 15 Nov 2011 01:46:55 -0800
typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
On Mon, 14 Nov 2011 16:39:30 -0800, "Steve B" wrote:

Something I put on youtube this morning for doubtful people in
alt.home.repair who think it can't be done.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SoeXN...&feature=feedu

Simple as ****. Works for me.

Steve

What..people still think that dowsing doesnt work?

Blink blink...blink?

Nicely done btw.

Ive dowsed for years. Shrug. Ive found everything from water to bunkers
filled with very unfriendly enemy soldiers.

Yowzaa - all in California? I didn't think that the Liberals
were hunkered down yet. B-)

Chuckle..no..not all in California. Now while California in places can
be nearly as dangerous as where I found the bunkers...its not generally
that dangerous
G

Gunner

--
pyotr
Go not to the Net for answers, for it will tell you Yes and no. And
you are a bloody fool, only an ignorant cretin would even ask the
question, forty two, 47, the second door, and how many blonde lawyers
does it take to change a lightbulb.

One could not be a successful Leftwinger without realizing that,
in contrast to the popular conception supported by newspapers
and mothers of Leftwingers, a goodly number of Leftwingers are
not only narrow-minded and dull, but also just stupid.
Gunner Asch

"Steve B"
We seem to have gotten off track here. What I
demonstrated was how to find a pipe or a cable.
Dowsing for a water source is something entirely
different, and I do not do that. THIS IS FOR
FINDING A CABLE OR PIPE ONLY.

Steve


Yes, for cable or pipe only. I'm amazed that some
people cannot see the difference!
phil k.

"Phil Kangas" wrote in message ...


"Steve B"
We seem to have gotten off track here. What I
demonstrated was how to find a pipe or a cable.
Dowsing for a water source is something entirely
different, and I do not do that. THIS IS FOR
FINDING A CABLE OR PIPE ONLY.

Steve


Yes, for cable or pipe only. I'm amazed that some
people cannot see the difference!
phil k.

And what's the difference, Phil? Different spiritual emanations?

--
Ed Huntress

On Wed, 16 Nov 2011 14:06:57 -0500, "Ed Huntress"
wrote:



"Gunner Asch" wrote in message
.. .

On Wed, 16 Nov 2011 08:37:04 -0500, Doug Miller
wrote:

On 11/14/2011 7:39 PM, Steve B wrote:
Something I put on youtube this morning for doubtful people in
alt.home.repair who think it can't be done.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SoeXN...&feature=feedu

Simple as ****. Works for me.

Bulls**t. It doesn't work at all. You think it does? Demonstrate it, and
claim your million dollars:
http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/1m-challenge.html


Its worked for me a myrid of times. Shrug

Gunner

Jeez. Gunner, you're awfully cavalier about $1 million. Did you come into a
big inheritance or something?

If it's worked for you myriad times, surely you can come up with a
demonstration that will win the prize. Go for it!

The great thing about Randi's prize is:

http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/1m-challenge.html
"The JREF does not involve itself in the testing procedure, other than
helping to design the protocol and approving the conditions under
which a test will take place. All tests are designed with the
participation and approval of the applicant. In most cases, the
applicant will be asked to perform a relatively simple preliminary
test of the claim, which if successful, will be followed by the formal
test."

So the *applicant* approves the tests. What could be better? I'd
think that anyone who truly believes in their own ability to dowse (or
speak to the dead, or generate spells, or insert favorite paranormal
activity) would jump at the chance for a million bucks.
--
Best -- Terry

"Ed Huntress" wrote in
message ...


"Phil Kangas" wrote in message
...

"Steve B"
We seem to have gotten off track here. What I
demonstrated was how to find a pipe or a cable.
Dowsing for a water source is something
entirely different, and I do not do that. THIS
IS FOR FINDING A CABLE OR PIPE ONLY.

Steve


Yes, for cable or pipe only. I'm amazed that
some
people cannot see the difference!
phil k.

And what's the difference, Phil? Different
spiritual emanations?

--
Ed Huntress



The difference is water vs. a water pipe or
electrical cable.
I have done this and it does work! Anyone can do
this, there
is no magic involved. Dowsing for water is what is
controversial.
Go try it yourself if you don't believe it. What's
so hard about
that? phil k.

Terry wrote:
On Wed, 16 Nov 2011 14:06:57 -0500, "Ed Huntress"
wrote:

(...)

Jeez. Gunner, you're awfully cavalier about $1 million. Did you come into a
big inheritance or something?

If it's worked for you myriad times, surely you can come up with a
demonstration that will win the prize. Go for it!

The great thing about Randi's prize is:

http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/1m-challenge.html
"The JREF does not involve itself in the testing procedure, other than
helping to design the protocol and approving the conditions under
which a test will take place. All tests are designed with the
participation and approval of the applicant. In most cases, the
applicant will be asked to perform a relatively simple preliminary
test of the claim, which if successful, will be followed by the formal
test."

So the *applicant* approves the tests. What could be better? I'd
think that anyone who truly believes in their own ability to dowse (or
speak to the dead, or generate spells, orinsert favorite paranormal
activity) would jump at the chance for a million bucks.

The next 'newsgroup gambit' might be to assert
that dowsing (for _anything_) is proven technique
and does not involve the "paranormal, supernatural,
or occult". Therefore it is ineligible for
consideration in the Challenge.

However, that wouldn't wash because
JREF reveals previous 'dowsing' claimants
as legitimate applicants:

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=85571
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=87076
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=112989
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=132844


http://forums.randi.org/forumdisplay.php?f=43

--Winston -- Can make espresso... DISAPPEAR!

On 11/17/2011 1:51 PM, Phil Kangas wrote:

I have done this and it does work! Anyone can do
this, there
is no magic involved. Dowsing for water is what is
controversial.
Go try it yourself if you don't believe it. What's
so hard about
that?

Garbage. It doesn't work at all. You think it does? Go demonstrate it,
and collect your million bucks.

What's so hard about that?