On Wed, 9 Nov 2011 21:01:37 -0800 (PST), Too_Many_Tools
wrote:

On Nov 3, 1:51*am, Too_Many_Tools wrote:
LOL...I will bet that these crazy ass nutjobs have been posting on
Usenet.

I wonder if they will have Usenet access from jail?

Congrats to the Feds who got these nuts.

TMT

Georgia men accused of deadly plot to remain jailed
By Alan Sverdlik | Reuters

GAINESVILLE, Ga (Reuters) - Four Georgia men accused of plotting to
buy explosives and produce a deadly biological toxin to attack U.S.
government employees will be held without bail until at least next
week, a judge ruled on Wednesday.

Frederick Thomas, 73; Dan Roberts, 67; Ray H. Adams, 65; and Samuel J.
Crump, 68, were arrested on Tuesday and made their first appearance in
federal court in Gainesville, Georgia, on Wednesday afternoon.

The men, brought into court in handcuffs and leg chains, requested
court-appointed attorneys to defend them on the charges. Prosecutors
indicated they would seek to keep the men in jail for a bond hearing
scheduled for next week.

Federal authorities said an undercover operation had allowed them to
disrupt the men's plans before they posed an imminent threat to the
public.

Authorities had been monitoring the group for months with the help of
a confidential informant, who recorded conversations about the men's
plans to carry out attacks against federal buildings and employees.

Court records detail the content of those recordings, starting with a
March meeting at the Cleveland, Georgia home of Thomas, who described
himself as the fringe group's leader.

Thomas said it should acquire more weapons, ammunition, food and
survival gear and needed a silent way of taking people out.

"The right people have to be taken down, and taken down soon," he told
the group, according to court documents.

"I've been to war, and I've taken life before, and I can do it again,"
he said at a later meeting.

Thomas said he wanted to kill employees of agencies including the FBI,
Justice Department and Internal Revenue Service and, in May, drove
with the informant to Atlanta to scout out federal buildings for
possible attacks.

"There's two schools of thought on this: Go for the feds or go for the
locals. And I'm inclined to consider both," Thomas said during the
trip, according to authorities.

Thomas told an undercover agent the group would likely carry out its
plans within a year, court documents said.

Adams and Crump are accused of attempting to produce ricin, a deadly
biological toxin made from castor beans and other ingredients.

Crump said he wanted to make 10 pounds of ricin and put it out in
synchronized attacks on multiple cities, including Washington, Newark,
Atlanta and New Orleans.

Adams allegedly gave Crump a castor bean last month, and both men
expressed knowledge about how to make ricin, authorities said.

(Reporting by Alan Sverdlik; Writing by Colleen Jenkins; Editing by
Jerry Norton)

Has anyone else noticed that some crazy ass conservatives haven't been
posting lately...

Hmm...52 guns and 30,000 rounds...and I bet they bitched about Social
Security not being enough.

TMT


Elderly Georgia men plead not guilty in toxin plot case
By Alan Sverdlik | Reuters


GAINESVILLE, Ga (Reuters) - Four elderly Georgia men pleaded not
guilty in federal court on Wednesday to charges linked to an alleged
plot to blow up government buildings and disperse a deadly toxin along
interstate highways.

The Justice Department has said the men were members of a fringe
domestic militia group and had planned to manufacture ricin for use in
their attacks.

Clad in orange prison jumpsuits and flanked by their court-appointed
attorneys, each man stood as Magistrate Judge Susan Cole called their
names and asked for a plea.

"Not guilty," each one replied in a quiet voice.

After the arraignment, Cole convened a hearing to determine whether
the defendants should be released on bond.

She heard testimony and arguments relating to Frederick Thomas, 73, of
Cleveland, Georgia, who faces federal charges of conspiring to possess
an unregistered explosive and an unregistered silencer.

Cole pushed back bond hearings for the other three until next Tuesday,
saying she wouldn't rule until all the men had a chance to make their
case for bail.

Thomas' co-defendants are Emory Dan Roberts, 67, Ray Adams, 65, and
Samuel Crump, 68, all of Toccoa, Georgia. Roberts was charged with
conspiring to possess an unregistered explosive and a silencer. The
others were charged with conspiring to produce ricin, a biological
toxin derived from beans.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Robert McBurney, arguing against releasing
Thomas, referred to secretly taped conversations in which Thomas
"talked about political assassinations for months and months."

"He discussed killing ATF, FBI and IRS agents" as well as former U.S.
Representative Cynthia McKinney of Atlanta," McBurney said, adding
that it was not simply "repugnant talk, frightening talk" but a vow
"to take action against a government he once served."

Thomas, who spent three decades in the Navy, "changed his perspective
and vowed to strike back," McBurney said.

A search of Thomas' home turned up 52 guns, including assault rifles
and pistols with extended magazines, as well as 30,000 rounds of
ammunition, McBurney said.

The prosecutor dismissed notions that Thomas' age and ailing health
made it unlikely he could carry out a violent act.

"His strike would be surgical," McBurney said. "He could pull the
trigger just like you and I could."

Charlotte Thomas, the prisoner's wife of 51 years, testified that her
husband was "the most patriotic man I've ever known. He loves his
country."

Thomas, she added, was a gun collector and had been for many years.
Referring to the cache of weapons confiscated by the FBI, she said:
"It's not an arsenal put together to assassinate people."

(Editing by Peter Bohan and Cynthia Johnston)

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